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What's Still Missing from Windows Phone 7

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As Chuong reported earlier today, a handful of tech reviewers have gotten to spend a couple of weeks with a Windows Phone 7 prototype devices made by Samsung called the Taylor. Overall the sentiment towards Windows Phone 7 is positive: reviewers agree that the operating system is generally well thought out, that it performs very well (with nearly no lag when jumping around the operating system), and that it has the potential to be a true contender in the mobile platform space.
After digging through several of these reviews, it's clear that there are a handful of features still missing from Windows Phone 7, some of which will be addressed by the time the platform launches this fall, but many of which will not. Here's a list:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.

ATHiEST said:
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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You can do it relatively easily if you don't use Facebook directly but via Live, I think.

My 2 cents:
- No Twitter integration
Stupid when Facebook is there
- No copy and paste
Discussed so many times yet still unbelievable.
- No third-party multitasking
May be in the future?
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
Very bad indeed.
- No dedicated YouTube application
Will be I believe.
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
Crazy.
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
That will be a really annoying thing. What if I DON'T have Facebook??!!
- No global email inbox
??
- No threaded email
I don't care.
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
Again a stupid, strange step BACKWARDS
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
Hmmm....
- No universal search
Awesome :-(
To sum it up, well....
I have to touch it of course.
But comparing this to WM 6.5 I see the main change will be interface itself.
Regarding functionality - so many things missing as hell.

yup, W7 is looking like a bag of sh*t

ATHiEST said:
- No Twitter integration
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There's already several Twitter apps for WP7 - The notification system allows seamlessly integration.
ATHiEST said:
- No copy and paste
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Read the 2000 other threads on this -- c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
ATHiEST said:
- No third-party multitasking
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Same as above.
ATHiEST said:
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
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Wrong. No HTML5 support, mainly because it's still a draft.
ATHiEST said:
- No dedicated YouTube application
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Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
ATHiEST said:
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
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Invalid. Better Office integration than any other phone on the market.
ATHiEST said:
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
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Invalid, as there's no public phones out, you can't know this, thus it's a lie.
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- No global email inbox
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Wrong
ATHiEST said:
- No threaded email
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The email application ain't done yet, where's your proof?
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- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
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Use the search-button
ATHiEST said:
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
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Neither is on any other phone in the world.
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- No universal search
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Uniform search-api and seach-button support for all applications. Universal makes little sense.
ATHiEST said:
Some of these aren't too big of a deal and are very specific to use case scenarios that not everyone will experience (like adding multiple email accounts to a phone, etc). But some of the big ones like the lack of multitasking and Twitter integration could provide a reason for potential buyers to go with another smartphone platform.
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Multitasking is the LEAST important problem. When do you fools start realizing this?
And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.

@Windcape
As well as you have great valid points,
I must say that this of your sentence:
"c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread."
Where did you get that?!
It's a CRUICAL feature on any device.
Maybe you're this person who don't use it, maybe you never do
any serious stuff on your device, but why do you spread here such a false and pointlesss information?! It's the same as you'd say that a phone doesn't need a speaker.
It's the basic function, present on any mobile OS since 2000,
and also supported even by those who wanted to omit it and tell people they know better.
It's a BASIC function with any txt work, whether it's office, mail.
Man, how hard is it to get it? Or what false logic brought you to this senseless conclusion?
I hope you'll never be responsible for any serious development with such false statements.

No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?

Windcape - some of those are legit. There is no way to downselect your FB friends, no threaded email, and no unified/global email inbox. See the many reviews for evidence. While it's not quite done, it's pretty darn close. They have to give the OEMs lead time in order to be able to manufacture devices with the RTM code on it.
But to the OP et al, see this post on WMPowerUsers which echos my sentiments very closely. Basically, calm down... take a deep breath.

Windcape said:
No, it's not a crucial feature. The navigation-handlers allows for much better transitions than using c&p.
A smartphone is not a PC -- People use it differently, and copy&paste doesn't make sense. A lot of you might think it's easy to implement for text, and partially is (WP7 only supports Unicode, there's your first challenge), but for random objects (images, binary, etc.) it's a completely other story.
Instead of just repeating yet another "omg no copy&paste", then perhaps read some of the lengthy discussions about the subject, instead of believing in it in blind faith.
I would ask the relevant user groups, and have their reaction. Nerds who think they need c&p, but actually never use it, are not a relevant user group. Ask people who got a iPhone or Android if they uses copy&paste often, or if they missed it on previous versions of the iPhone. They'll probably say no.
Hell, where I need it most is in my browser, and Android's default browser have such terrible support, that it doesn't work anyway. I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links.
This argument is getting tiresome. Can we move on to something else? Like complaining about lack of socket APIs and SL4 support?
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Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
I think you're rather nerd who doesn't really speak on the topic.
Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices!
How do you know? Have we met?
You're incompetent troll, like somebody else stated in other thread.
Maybe go to other forums instead of telling complete lies here.
Also your sentence:
"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
Please move away from here with your "maybe" and "probably".

If it's actually based on hands-on reviews, then I'll agree it might be considered a problem.
The thing is, half of the articles out there complaining about the phone, is basing it off data from Feburary/March, or unlocked emulators -- both I consider highly invalid.
And I'm calm, I'm just annoyed we got 50 threads with focus on multitasking and c&p, which is the most irrelevant problems there is from a developer perspective.
I find it much bigger issues that the phone only support Unicode, don't have socket APIs yet (because it runs SL2/SL3, and not SL4). And a few other things here and there which is vital to application development.
People keep nitpicking about the least important issues, which sadly removes focus from the important problems.

doministry said:
Listen, are you reading with comprehension?!
Who gave you the right to call me nerd huh?
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We're posting on a forum for mobile hackers, that means we're nerds
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Don't tell me or anybody else how we actually use our devices! How do you know? Have we met?
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It's more likely that technical interested people focus on more technical features.
Most people who buy a iPhone 4 don't buy it because it can do copy&paste, but because it looks awesome, and have a fantastic screen (Retina Display).
doministry said:
"I'd rather have a navigation-handler auto-converting emails to click-to-open-email-application links."
Has NOTHING to do with work on txt!
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It have everything to do with regular phone use. Copying links, email addresses and phone numbers.
The phone isn't meant to be a Blackberry replacement, or a notepad replacement for editing Excel spreadsheets on the run.

One last thing:
You can implement copy&paste internally in your application. It's just c&p data between applications that's not supported.
I guess that helps a lot for your office/spreadsheeting edition, no?

ATHiEST said:
- No Twitter integration
- No copy and paste
- No third-party multitasking
- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser
- No dedicated YouTube application
- No robust document editing capabilities in Office
- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts
- No global email inbox
- No threaded email
- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)
- No way of knowing if a long press is available
- No universal search
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- Twitter will be back working with Windows Live soon. Twitter changed their APIs a month or two ago, and Microsoft need to update things to make it work again.
- Copy and Paste is coming in a future update
- Multitasking is also planned to be out in a future update
- Flash is coming in a few months after launch, Silverlight we don't know about
- We may see a YouTube app come from Google after launch, if not flash will work in the browser so that's all good
- As a start, the Office tools on Windows Phone 7 are good for basic editing, and collaboration. More features may come, but I do question if you need much more really, with such a small screen.
- We know when adding a Google account, you can choose to add all or only some of these options: Contacts, Calendar, Email. It is possible facebook integration can be done in the same way, but I don't use facebook, so I am not too fussed. However thanks to the Quick Jump List controls, you can click the letter in the blue box, and choose a letter to find your contact. Or even press the search button to find a contact.
- I actually prefer the idea of having a separation between my Live Mail and Outlook Email inboxes, and is a great way to maintain your work life balance if you are using the Phone for work, and personal uses. You do have a combined calendar, which does make sense, because you only have on schedule at a time
- Threaded mail, or conversation view, will be coming, you should know this as Outlook and Hotmail now support it.
- This one I agree with, I would like a button appear below the arrow on the left, to switch to flat list, category, favourites, or alphabetical sorting, using the Quick Jump Lists.
- Well, this is a trial and error thing, you don't get told when you have a right click menu available, there is no indicator, you just expect it and find it for yourself.
- If the Hub/App doesn't have internal search, the search button will pull up bing. In future dev tools, they will provide an API to override the search button as you can the back button presently. Patience, my friend, Patience!

Windcape said:
c&p is pointless, and not needed. I'm tired of repeating the arguments in every bloody thread.
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Windcape said:
Write one, or let Google do that. I don't think Google would like Microsoft to write one for sure.
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Actually, these two statements contradict each other somewhat. By far the two most often reasons for me to watch a video on Youtube are a) watching embedded videos on web sites and b) getting a link in an email. Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application or without an ability to copy and paste this URL there? Let's say on many web sites I can search for the video if it's properly named, but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app? Or maybe write it down on a piece of paper?
I would certainly prefer it if links to videos opened directly in this Youtube app (or better yet, a standalone flash/video/html5/whatever player), that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either. C&P may be a kludge, but in the less than perfect world we live in those are often needed.
Windcape said:
And again, Twitter is just yet-another-application. Android and iPhone don't have Twitter support either, there's just 20 different Twitter apps for each platform.
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Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.

@Windcape
Are you a tard??
a) I didn't write the review so stop quoting me as if I wrote the list and the trying to contradict me.
b) Dont need copy and paste? are you on crack? You must be because I can see endless list or reasons why its a MUST!
c) The review is NOT from a emulator its a HANDS ON review of a prototype phone!
Also people remember this isnt a list of what will NOT be in WP7, its basically a round up of features currently still not in WP7, OBVIOUSLY its not finished and will have more to come.
Either way I still think the OS looks like sh*t, But the flashaholic in me will still end up flashing it to my HD2 when/if its ported.

a) It's easier to quote you to respond to the points. Why is that a problem? Wasn't the whole point with quoting the important points of the article to turn them into a discussion?
b) No, and there's little reason to be rude.
c) O'rly

vangrieg said:
Now, pray tell, how am I going to watch those videos in a third party application in a sandboxed environment without a way to open a URL directly in this application
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A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
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but what about this link in an email? Am I supposed to memorize it and type into the app?
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Navigation handlers will also apply to emails.
Basically you'll just have to click it. Much easier than copy, change application, paste, and activate it.
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that would be a "smartlinking" scenario that I would prefer to c&p. But that's not available either.
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Yes it is? That's how it's intended to be, and why Microsoft don't consider c&p a priority atm.
vangrieg said:
Now let's be consistent please. If we like the way data from multiple sources is integrated in WP7, a Twitter app isn't a perfect solution.
Twitter will be there though. It will be supported in Windows Live or separately. It's missing temporarily in the current version as Twitter changed their API or something like that.
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Well, on the "other" mobile platforms Twitter is just yet-another-application. If Microsoft integrates it in Windows Live, it's just better than the others.
It's not a loss either way.

Windcape said:
A 3rd party application will be able to register a navigation handler so you can open youtube links in a youtube application if necessary. Just like Skype plugin for PC browsers today.
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That would solve the problem indeed, but could you provide a source for this information? This is the first time I hear about a way for a third party application to meddle with IE/mail client behavior in WP7, and when I asked Brandon Watson he said nothing like that would be possible.

Dude, there is a edit button, no need to keep double posting. Oh and YES "rly", read the topic.
btw, what about copy and pasting files?, or even blocks of txt's like in a document or web page for example or am I missing something here, that seems a pretty simple but integral part of windows to me, ffs this isnt apple its windows.

Applications have access to the internet, and files on the internet, it just cannot run in the background or access local files outside of its own local isolated storage. (unless there is a task, launcher, or chooser available to apps)
Native Twitter feeds will be coming soon, Windows Live had it until Twitter changed some APIs, and it will be brought back.
Microsoft have not said Copy & Paste is not a priority, only that in order to get the phone out in time for an Autumn/Winter release, and that it will be coming soon.

Where the hell is windows live messenger???

You would think Microsoft would create this application as a priority. Jesus, even my blackberry has WINDOWS LIVE!
What the hell!

Yes that was quite puzzling.
I would have thought that it would be on there before it launched.

I'll laugh if AOL sticks an AIM client on the marketplace before Microsoft gets an MSN Messenger client up there. It's boneheaded moves like this that have defined Microsoft lately and it's why they went from almost owning the smartphone market to being in a position where they may never be able to catch up.

Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion

BIG-Stan said:
Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.

ManicDVLN said:
TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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I don't know...I've played with the phones now quite a bit and really like the polish and features...yes, there are some glaring features missing but they will be added. I was told at an MS kickoff meeting earlier this week that they are going to have a ton of updates starting in January...they kept saying they are betting the farm on this so we'll see...
I would agree on the marketing front however...I don't understand how they can do such a good job with xbox360 marketing and do such a half assed attempt with the wp7 which is arguably more important to them in the long term.

They must be working on a native WLM. They make one for iPhone and Blackberry. They have produced a version for 3 on Android, which a third party coded.
It plugs into Yahoo Messenger too. Plus WLM now talks to Facebook Chat. They are rolling out that feature as we speak. But only a few people have it right now.
Maybe they will release WLM at CES. I can imagine Ballmer and Zuckerberg make an announcment together. Or at Mobile World Congress at the latest.

Maybe they were waiting for Microsoft Lync, which is apparently coming to Windows Phone in 2011. I just hope that, whatever it is, its a native app and ideally integrated into the OS.
Was just doing some reading about Microsoft Lync, sounds perfect...
Add Contacts and Share Presence and Instant Messages Users can add contacts on Windows Live, AOL, Yahoo!, and Google Talk networks to their contact list. With the Communicator “14” client, users can share presence status information and participate in instant messaging with colleagues and customers who use public IM connections.
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http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Product/Technologies/Pages/public-im-connectivity.aspx

you can go to live.com and use the web messenger from the menu-> messenger option
peace

The Zune HD Live Messenger only came out last month and had Facebook chat integrated. They're probably working on it.

What on earth are you talking about??? Messenger was available from day one and was one of the first apps I downloaded! its made by another company though. not microsoft. have a proper look or bing it in market place.

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What on earth are you talking about???
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There's no need to be like that when evidently you haven't read all the posts. We know there's a messenger but it's not an official one and as such it doesn't do the job for the OP and others.

But it wont get more official. I read somewhere that the company that made the current wlm was paid by ms to code the app as an official one.
I'm pretty sure though that it will get updated with more features. The current version certainly lacks some features compared to the ios version.
ps: here is the link to the article
http://www.liveside.net/2010/10/14/whos-building-the-official-messenger-app-for-wp7-not-microsoft/

Microsoft has often asked other developers to make app for them like the facebook one on winmo 6.5 but they would always mark it as an official MS app, so if that company is in charge I'm sure it would be a different version without their name on it.
That aside, I can't see Microsoft developing a WLM app for Zune HD and an awesome one for the iPhone and then not make one for their own platform. Doesn't make any sense.

Pretty sure we will see something soon enough that surpasses the cheesy app that is out now.

Why the hell would MS pay somebody to make the messenger and not provide them with the ability to have it run in the background?
I have read the same articles, and it smells rather off to me.
Personally, i cant wait for a better one. (or the existing one to get out of pre-alpha phase, coz that's how bad it is)

what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.

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what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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"Messenger by Miyowa"? What don't we get? Well, for starters, how you managed to use it to message anyone. That thing is rubbish, I can't imagine Microsoft let anyone put that thing out in their name and, last I checked which was about 45 seconds ago it was the only IM app in the marketplace.
The app doesn't have to run in the background. Beejive and IM+ for iPhone worked quite well before iPhone supported background operation and it worked via push notification. I think they both support background execution now but why bother when push works so well? That's memory freed up to use for something else.
Finally, a really half-assed solution that works is the SMS / IM interface most carriers provide. Some only do AIM but some cover them all. Do a google search for your carrier. AT&T, for example, uses SMS numbers starting with 265000 to log in and so on. If you're really that hard up for IM it's better than nothing, but just barely.

People are funny in this world.
In theory this OS is a platform for the community to build on.
Too bad the community is a mob with pitchforks.
Who in their right mind will develop anything when the populous will undoubtedly attack their creation?
Microsoft can't fix people. Why does anyone need messenger when all they do is hate on everything new?

I read that news about this third party company and I have a strong feeling that it's false. There is no way, that MS which created official messenger app for every other platform would outsource something so native to an unknown third party company for the windows OS!
I have a feeling that was a fake news spread by that third party company.

MiX2011(12-14.04)-Will There Be Any New"additions" to wp7 ANOTHER UPDATE BEFORE MANGO

MiX2011(12-14.04)-Will There Be Any New"additions" to wp7 ANOTHER UPDATE BEFORE MANGO
The MiX conference is just around the corner and i thought that it would be interesting to see what the users think, hope, want software vise.....
On the other hand, maybe a new handset will be revealed or the new minimum requirements...
With certainty new api's will be introduced...
My hope is for another update in june-july...

The things I would like to see in this order:
#1 Open up APIs that use address book which will open the door for whatsapp and skype.
#2 Bug fixes.
#3 An improved way of delivering updates.
#4 More new features.

I expect announcements of other upcoming features which have not yet been announced.
I fully expect some of the API's to be opened up to developers.
Maybe an announcement of a smaller update which will come out before Mango.
I don't expect any phone announcements, but maybe some Nokia teasers? That would be pretty cool.

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The things I would like to see in this order:
#1 Open up APIs that use address book which will open the door for whatsapp and skype.
#2 Bug fixes.
#3 An improved way of delivering updates.
#4 More new features.
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I made a bit of a list myself. Well, it's kind of large: http://n8ter.wordpress.com
Skype is a bit meh for me.
There is more to gain by developing a good Windows Live Messenger integration with VoIP and Video Calling, in addition to Facebook Chat and Integrated Presence information in the People Hub. Add in Push Notifications, Group Chat, and File Transfer from the Office/Picture Hubs and it would be just perfect.
They need to add Tasks to Hotmail and add Task Synchronization to WP7's ActiveSync support.
The rest is in the link above. Don't want to bloat up the thread listing all my thoughts...
IE9 needs to be pushed out the minute it's done. Just upgrading IE would be considered a ridiculously big update to many users, and seriously... It would make tons of websites either usable, or much much easier to use.
A Basic RSS Reader integrated into the Platform (with configurable polling times and notifications on new items) would be nice. However, Windows Live allows you to subscribe to Blogs from there, so maybe that serves that purpose and you can just get this form people HUB.
They need to make Facebook Pushed, IMO. And add support for giving Push Notifications adn a counter on the People Hub tile when you get a new Direct Message/Facebook Message/Mention. Perhaps they can roll out Twitter support early.
I think it's pretty bad that they're holding back so much for one big update. I wonder how many people at Microsoft are actually closet iOS/Android users. They don't seem to be clued in much with the way they're iterating on the platform.

I expect nothing new so that I don't get disappointed again.

My wish list:
- ful Skydrive integration so all office documents can be synced
- Twitter integration in the people hub
- some way to allow zune streaming music and video not only to the XBox but to the WP7 devices as well

New apis like above said to make whatsapp available, youtube embedded vids working properly on all regions, bing maps merged with ovi so i can actually use maps, skydrive for office, taskswitcher and facebook im/private messages integerated in messaging app (a pivot next to sms would be cool) and people hub. Ill be a more than happy guy, will be all i need

Interesting if they will show anything we don't already know there.

Talks about NoDo and more Mango previews. Maybe a mention of some API, maybe, and that is all. Any bets?

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I made a bit of a list myself. Well, it's kind of large: http://n8ter.wordpress.com
There is more to gain by developing a good Windows Live Messenger integration with VoIP and Video Calling, in addition to Facebook Chat and Integrated Presence information in the People Hub. Add in Push Notifications, Group Chat, and File Transfer from the Office/Picture Hubs and it would be just perfect.
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One of the few times we agree 100%. MSN Messenger by Miyowa is not good enough. If MSN Messenger was as feature-rich as you described I would buy a WP7 phone tomorrow.

If there are no new APIs I will be very surprised. And if there aren't, as much as I love my Omnia7, I'm picking up an Xperia Play the very next day. I can understand not having some functionality, but not providing APIs to developers is just plain stupid.
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blade0rz said:
if there are no new apis i will be very surprised. And if there aren't, as much as i love my omnia7, i'm picking up an xperia play the very next day. I can understand not having some functionality, but not providing apis to developers is just plain stupid.
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Yep, the lack of functionality isn't what stinks. Developers can develop apps to fill those voids.
What stinks is the API blackholes in the platform. That pretty much makes this functionally is impossible to implement at the moment, and there is nothing you or any non-OEM/Microsoft developer can do about it.

You guys shouldn't really expect much in the way of new features. MIX is where the development platform was unveiled last year, I imagine any announcements will be centered around that.
I'm expecting a focus on IE9, hopefully some additional APIs like sockets (which they said has been the #1 request from developers).

vetvito said:
Talks about NoDo and more Mango previews. Maybe a mention of some API, maybe, and that is all. Any bets?
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I'll take the bet that you're 100% right. That's what they do with the 360, it's like "you won't want to miss our announcements" then they serve you the same old sh.. you already knew about.
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dkp1977 said:
My wish list:
- some way to allow zune streaming music and video not only to the XBox but to the WP7 devices as well
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Marketplace (or Zune > Marketplace) > Music > Find Music > Click on Album/Single > Click on Play icon next to album or single = Streaming music,

I mean streaming media that I have on my windows 7 PC.
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doministry said:
Interesting if they will show anything we don't already know there.
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Joe Belifore mentioned in a Channel 9 interview last week, that they will be revealing Mango features that they have not talked about before. Expect some major announcements. It was obvious that he was holding back some good stuff.

wheelerk said:
Joe Belifore mentioned in a Channel 9 interview last week, that they will be revealing Mango features that they have not talked about before. Expect some major announcements. It was obvious that he was holding back some good stuff.
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Don't, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
This year, MIX will highlight Microsoft’s commitment to web standards and HTML5, build on the excitement for IE9, and showcase the future of the Windows Phone developer ecosystem. Plus, we’ll unveil what’s new for developers in the next version of Windows Phone.
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If they announce new features, great I've learned to keep expectations in check when it comes to WP7 though.
Edit: There are 13 sessions on the platform updates. That should mean a good number of APIs are coming our way.

foxbat121 said:
I expect nothing new so that I don't get disappointed again.
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same here....lol

Windows Phone Marketplace App Milestones

Source
Fastest to 10,000 Apps - March 12th 2011
Fastest to 20,000 Apps - May 29th 2011
10,000 Apps in 2.5 months is rapid growth. I made a prediction that the Marketplace would have 50,000+ Apps by Q1 2012 and it seem like pocketnow now shares this thinking.
My prediction may be conservative. At this rate they could be at 70K by Q1.
Handsets - check.
Apps - check.
Features - (holds pen until fall 2011)

I think you may be underestimating the growth that will come with the release of Mango. The wealth of new APIs in the Mango SDK will spur development of a whole new generation of apps (some great, many not-so-good ). My prediction is that there will be 100,000 apps in the Marketplace by Christmas.

Agree. Mango is going to open up the possibility for a whole host of apps. I'm really excited to see the exciting new apps that will start releasing with mango.

The only problem: where is the useful apps?
Evernote?
IM +?
Kik?
Dropbox?
I still miss many apps from my iPhone.

mikeeam said:
The only problem: where is the useful apps?
Evernote?
IM +?
Kik?
Dropbox?
I still miss many apps from my iPhone.
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Evernote -> fasternote (I'd still rather use OneNote)
Dropbox -> boxfiles for dropbox, kickbox
So 2 of your 4 mentioned points have been solved a long time ago already. Don't know what makes IM+ so special, but as far as I know it's under development. Kik? Never heard about that, sorry.

dkp1977 said:
Evernote -> fasternote (I'd still rather use OneNote)
Dropbox -> boxfiles for dropbox, kickbox
So 2 of your 4 mentioned points have been solved a long time ago already. Don't know what makes IM+ so special, but as far as I know it's under development. Kik? Never heard about that, sorry.
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Well, thanks. Didn't know about fasternote. Downloading.
But I want the official app. I can't buy Kickbox cause my country isn't supported yet.
IM will be the first good multiprotocol app. Flory is good, but still miss lot of features. And is buggy ;/
Still, it really needs some official apps.

Yeah, thanks to the spammers the marketplace is growing fast... Is that really a good thing? How many of those Real Estate apps have been released in the past week?
I can see the answer coming "it was like that with iOS and Android" and I would argue that because it happened there it should have been prevented on WP7.

mikeeam said:
Well, thanks. Didn't know about fasternote. Downloading.
But I want the official app. I can't buy Kickbox cause my country isn't supported yet.
IM will be the first good multiprotocol app. Flory is good, but still miss lot of features. And is buggy ;/
Still, it really needs some official apps.
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That will be at least partly resolved with mango. Not only because of the then built in Live Messenger and Facebook support, but also because of the 1500 additional APIs. I'm quite convinced we'll see official ICQ and even several multimessengers that are currently available on other platforms for WP7 as well.
If you can't purchase kickbox, go for boxfiles (which I prefer over kickbox anyways). It has a free version that works perfectly.
Sure, there are loads of "official" apps still missing, but like I already said, most of them are supposed to come some time after mango was released.

Peew971 said:
Yeah, thanks to the spammers the marketplace is growing fast... Is that really a good thing? How many of those Real Estate apps have been released in the past week?
I can see the answer coming "it was like that with iOS and Android" and I would argue that because it happened there it should have been prevented on WP7.
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It was and still is that way with iOS and Android. I'm not sure I see your point. When people tout the number of apps on those platforms, they are including all of the useless and duplicate apps, but for some reason WP7 shouldn't?

mikeeam said:
The only problem: where is the useful apps?
Evernote?
IM +?
Kik?
Dropbox?
I still miss many apps from my iPhone.
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they're releasing kik sometime in june, at least that's what their support said on twitter. But i thought KIK needed mango to work doesn't it?

Nop. Whatsapp needs it

IM+ said they were in beta on a WP7 app.
KiK is working directly with MS to do KiK for WP7.
I do not know why MS chose KiK. No BB support and legal issues sitting over their heads. Whatsapp I would bet is more popular.
But Apps are coming. We know they are missing now.

[Q] Google+ for WP7 - any news?

I just installed Google+ on iPhone, but what I am truly wanting is G+ for my WP7. Anyone with news?

Seeing as the mobile webpage says "Also available on the Android Market and coming soon to the iTunes App Store" I wouldn't get my hopes up for a WP7 app anytime soon.

Is it out for iPhone?

vetvito said:
Is it out for iPhone?
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Yeah, just came out today...or late yesterday. As soon as I read it I installed it on my iPhone.

MartyLK said:
I just installed Google+ on iPhone, but what I am truly wanting is G+ for my WP7. Anyone with news?
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it will never happen, my opinion is based on the fact that they list windows mobile as supported, and wp7 is not listed, they have not released google maps, and they have impeded Microsoft from releasing a better youtube app

revrak said:
it will never happen, my opinion is based on the fact that they list windows mobile as supported, and wp7 is not listed, they have not released google maps, and they have impeded Microsoft from releasing a better youtube app
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Yeah, seems Google dislikes MS more than Apple. Considering MS is making Google pay royalties, maybe that is why.

My guess is, that the iOS market is simply too big not to support, whereas the minor userbase of WP7 is "neglectable" for google.

revrak said:
it will never happen, my opinion is based on the fact that they list windows mobile as supported, and wp7 is not listed, they have not released google maps, and they have impeded Microsoft from releasing a better youtube app
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Well...that's one reason I say Google will have its competitors by the 'nads because of G+ becoming the dominant social site. People will want and need it on their phones and if their phones don't have it or will get it, people will adopt a new phone system.
MS needs to be really, really nice to Google so they can get G+. It is important. MS doesn't have the infrastructure enough to make their own social site like Google has.

Once G+ is "live", they'll probably have APIs available that allow third party developers to code G+ apps, though.

Doesn't Microsoft own or partner with FB?
Anywho my thoughts. I think Google and Apple have been secretly working together for a long time. Minus the lawsuits, I think competitively they work together. Or is it that Apple uses Google as it search engine? Anywho, I'm rambling.

Woo hoo let's spout completely uninformed rubbish about google hating wp7 because they put priority on the two most used smartphone platforms first!
From the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/10624605617...b9Pdh#106246056177889976095/posts/i528uHb9Pdh
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vetvito said:
Doesn't Microsoft own or partner with FB?
Anywho my thoughts. I think Google and Apple have been secretly working together for a long time. Minus the lawsuits, I think competitively they work together. Or is it that Apple uses Google as it search engine? Anywho, I'm rambling.
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From my experience Apple uses Yahoo as the default or main search engine in iOS. You can select Google or Bing as well. I switch mine to Google.

quactaur said:
Woo hoo let's spout completely uninformed rubbish about google hating wp7 because they put priority on the two most used smartphone platforms first!
From the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/10624605617...b9Pdh#106246056177889976095/posts/i528uHb9Pdh
Look at point 6
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What's your major malfunction, pal. Nobody is spouting anything except you. I never said Google hated WP7. From *history* and from many reports Google gives MS a hard time and hinders them.
This is all I will say to you because I just have no room in life any more for people who want to start trouble and cause problems. From this point on you will be permanently ignored.

quactaur said:
Woo hoo let's spout completely uninformed rubbish about google hating wp7 because they put priority on the two most used smartphone platforms first!
From the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/10624605617...b9Pdh#106246056177889976095/posts/i528uHb9Pdh
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That's an unofficial blog. That list was in the news last week or so, and its not a list compiled by Google to say they are working on those items. A Google developer posted something on his blog about Google+, and a bunch of people commented on it and left him suggestions, and so the developer simply compiled the most popular suggestions (which is that list). No one said those things would ever be worked on.
Nothing official, and considering Google has not shown any interest in Windows Phone 7, I don't see anything in the near future.

G+ does work on the current IE version but in a basic mobile format
you need to go to https://m.google.com/app/plus

DJRedLine said:
G+ does work on the current IE version but in a basic mobile format
you need to go to https://m.google.com/app/plus
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Ohh...sweet! That'll do, till WP7 gets an app.
Thanks much

DJRedLine said:
G+ does work on the current IE version but in a basic mobile format
you need to go to https://m.google.com/app/plus
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The mobile page is too limited, you could also use the full page. It works perfectly fine.

revrak said:
it will never happen, my opinion is based on the fact that they list windows mobile as supported, and wp7 is not listed, they have not released google maps, and they have impeded Microsoft from releasing a better youtube app
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They will eventually release one because a social network has to have broad platform support to succeed, and with the App-Centric nature of modern smartphone OSes they cannot depend on a browser. People are starting to demand stuff like PUSH notifications and in-app chat functionality and a Browser is clearly inferior to an app when it comes to delivering that type of functionality.

N8ter said:
They will eventually release one because a social network has to have broad platform support to succeed, and with the App-Centric nature of modern smartphone OSes they cannot depend on a browser. People are starting to demand stuff like PUSH notifications and in-app chat functionality and a Browser is clearly inferior to an app when it comes to delivering that type of functionality.
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Fortunately for right now, saving the page as a favorite and then pinning it to the start screen almost satisfies. The thing lacking, as you say, is push notes.

another thread about this useless wannabe Facebook, google only did this to get back at FB for rejecting them and of course to try to gain this ridiculous monopoly over the world. what's worse? they don't even give a **** about peoples privacy and safety.