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We all love to rag on Touchwiz for being a bloated lag beast and pray for the day we can flash CM to get rid of it. However, there is a way to compare stock Touchwiz vs stock Android on two devices with exactly the same hardware specs and surprisingly, the difference is not that significant.
The takeaway is that Touchwiz seems faster loading video while stock Android is faster loading web content - I have a theory for this based upon how Touchwiz parses javascript, but that's another thread . On a benchmark basis the two are within a few hundred points of each other.
Anyway, here is an interesting video of a guy testing the S4 Play Edition (pure Android) vs the S4 Touchwiz Edition, both all stock and brand new with no rom optimizations or debloating. It's interesting and shows that while stock Android may be a bit faster overall, the difference is far less than one might have imagined. Of course the results may be different on the Tab S.
Nice, but surprising report. Guess the skeptics will need something else to complain about.
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If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
kenkiller said:
If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
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The thread is about TOUCHWIZ Vs ANDROID not Exynos vs Snapdragon. In this test anyway there doesn't appear to be much difference between the 2 running on the same platform. YMMV.
Apparently, Kitkat 4.4 introduced aggressive cpu throttling at much lower temps than prior Android versions. This may be something that is causing slowdowns you have perceived with prolonged use. While this increases battery life, it crushes performance. Fortunately a good kernel should be able to address this. In this case the hardware is fine, it is the OS which is screwing things up. I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
Anyway, here is the article. Interesting.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sa...at-performance-cpu-throttling-dvfs,26414.html
Again this is for the S4. Not sure how it applies to the Tab S.
Here is a thread by a dev who was able to disable the DVFS throttling on the s4. He claims that is to blame and not KitKat directly. Will research to see if thee is anything similar for the Tab S.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
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Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
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Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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It will probably be a bit. I don't own the 800 and mainly posted that to show it was possible. If I finish the 700 before the baby is born and no one else has picked it up then I'll try to get it finished.
thomas_pieps said:
Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
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Yes and this is one reason why I get sick of people moaning about battery life all the time. It's a mobile device constrained by current technology and what size battery can be squeezed in.
Yet people still expect 3 days battery, super duper speed and a nice slim light device.
For me I accept the limited capabilities of a battery in a mobile device and think they do a pretty good job as it is.
I want a mix of performance and battery, but I'll gladly sacrifice a bit of battery life for a lag free , smooth device.
However the more people moan about battery life the more the scales will tip to battery life at the cost of performance.
I would be willing to except a tablet a mm thicker to have a bigger battery
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Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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Hi,
as the title suggests this smartphone is currently my top pick, i have a tight budget (120 euros/140 dollars); and the Le pro 3 sits comfortably at 116 euros shipped.
Would you recommend it? I have zero experience with modding but i'd like to learn; are the chanches of hard bricking it (x722) high? I would not be able to replace it for while.
Thanks!
At this price you can't get any better.
A few phones at this range might have a bet camera and the official support is almost non-existent, but it's beautiful, well-constructed, has good battery, a good community and it's super fast and smooth. Is runs everything without lags and the processor is equivalent with the ones of iPhone 6s Plus and Samsung Galaxy S7, 300€/400€ phones.
There are currently 13 Oreo ROMS for it and will surely be more, P included.
As long as you flash files compatible with x722, you will not brick it.
Normally, it costs 150€, so run for it. NOW!
P.S. I think you posted in the wrong place, maybe you can ask a moderator to move the topic.
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Johndays01 said:
At this price you can't get any better.
A few phones at this range might have a bet camera and the official support is almost non-existent, but it's beautiful, well-constructed, has good battery, a good community and it's super fast and smooth. Is runs everything without lags and the processor is equivalent with the ones of iPhone 6s Plus and Samsung Galaxy S7, 300€/400€ phones.
There are currently 13 Oreo ROMS for it and will surely be more, P included.
As long as you flash files compatible with x722, you will not brick it.
Normally, it costs 150€, so run for it. NOW!
P.S. I think you posted in the wrong place, maybe you can ask a moderator to move the topic.
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Thanks! Just ordered it
My bad, i thought this was the right section, sorry.
It still worth it AS A FLAGSHIP.
why should be worth? you have a "OnePlus3" inside as hardware.
The right place would have been the questions and answers section.
Just make sure you use the ROMs for the x722 some are universal some are not if you stick with the le pro 3 elite x722 development section you'll be pretty safe as long as you're careful and read everything in the first post you should be OK just make sure and do a full backup in twrp and copy it to your PC in case of problems. If your unsure about something don't do it till you're certain you understand the guide. Good luck
Yes and no.
If you want a phone that just works then get something else. Yeah, the Le Pro 3 has better looks and internals than other phones but the software is never perfect.
Currently all Oreo Roms drain the battery pretty fast, battery life is still good but not outstanding anymore. Also there are always some other minor issues like a wonky signal, app crashes as so forth.
The Redmi Note 4 or Mi A1 are the obvious other choice. You're getting a more "stable" package but the phones don't feel as premium, the RN4 also has worse camera.
433Mhz said:
Yes and no.
Currently all Oreo Roms drain the battery pretty fast, battery life is still good but not outstanding anymore.
The Redmi Note 4 or Mi A1 are the obvious other choice. You're getting a more "stable" package but the phones don't feel as premium, the RN4 also has worse camera.
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Ah ... bullcrap. What does it mean "Oreo..drain the battery pretty fast"?
In technical terms, I charge the battery in the range 20-85%, and this delta of 65% = 2,645 mAh.
That charge lasts me a week (my Nokia E71 would not last that long).
Standby discharge + some usage = avg. 0.5%/hr (20mA/hr), airplane mode overnite = 0.1%/hr (4 mA/hr)
Maybe A1 with Nougat lasts longer with smaller battery, than X72x with Oreo...
And the RN4? To beg the commies for letting me to unlock my phone?
Really?
At this moment, the X722s (X720s long gone) are disappearing from the [Chinese] warehouses, ergo the price went over $200,
but if one doesn't have to pay any duties/taxes ... it is still a bargain for this 2 years old phone. https://tinyurl.com/ydamcw9y
433Mhz said:
Yes and no.
If you want a phone that just works then get something else. Yeah, the Le Pro 3 has better looks and internals than other phones but the software is never perfect.
Currently all Oreo Roms drain the battery pretty fast, battery life is still good but not outstanding anymore. Also there are always some other minor issues like a wonky signal, app crashes as so forth.
The Redmi Note 4 or Mi A1 are the obvious other choice. You're getting a more "stable" package but the phones don't feel as premium, the RN4 also has worse camera.
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Thanks, i've already ordered it so not much i can do now.
Will oreo roms improve over time? Or is oreo itself that drains more battery?
eqyliq said:
Thanks, i've already ordered it so not much i can do now.
Will oreo roms improve over time? Or is oreo itself that drains more battery?
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Don't worry, the phone is fine. The battery still lasts quite long but I haven't gotten 9h screen on time on any Oreo ROM anymore. Things are constantly improving, you just need to spend a little time to reading the forums and flashing a new ROM now and then.
eqyliq said:
Thanks, i've already ordered it so not much i can do now.
Will oreo roms improve over time? Or is oreo itself that drains more battery?
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For me, Oreo doesn't drain the battery, i can play demanding games for 6 hours. SOT can last for days(and I'm using performance mode)
eqyliq said:
Thanks, i've already ordered it so not much i can do now.
Will oreo roms improve over time? Or is oreo itself that drains more battery?
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Don't worry. I have 8h/9h of SOT with AEX rom and Blackscreen kernel.
Just follow the instructions and get support in telegram, xda, google +...
The xiaomi phones referred are pure crap comparing to Le Pro 3.p
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D1stRU3T0R said:
For me, Oreo doesn't drain the battery, i can play demanding games for 6 hours. SOT can last for days(and I'm using performance mode)
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Thanks, do you mind sharing your rom/kernel?
After skimming throught the forum i think i'm going to flash AICP, it comes with a kernel that should help tuning performace/battery, right?
eqyliq said:
Thanks, do you mind sharing your rom/kernel?
After skimming the forum i think i'm going to flash AICP, it comes with a kernel that should help tuning performace/battery, right?
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Latest aicp, using blackscreen 5.1r2 oc (latest) (and after, in settings you can set to battery/balanced/performance profiles, tweak with lspeed and than with kernel Adiutor... I tweaked my phone for maximum performance (+ battery) that's why i have only 6h hard/demanding game session)
D1stRU3T0R said:
Latest aicp, using blackscreen 5.1r2 oc (latest) (and after, in settings you can set to battery/balanced/performance profiles, tweak with lspeed and than with kernel Adiutor... I tweaked my phone for maximum performance (+ battery) that's why i have only 6h hard/demanding game session)
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If i install aicp from here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/le...mods/rom-aicp-13-1-pro3-aka-zl0-x722-t3730711) is blackscreen kernel included?
D1stRU3T0R said:
Latest aicp, using blackscreen 5.1r2 oc (latest) (and after, in settings you can set to battery/balanced/performance profiles, tweak with lspeed and than with kernel Adiutor... I tweaked my phone for maximum performance (+ battery) that's why i have only 6h hard/demanding game session)
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If i flash aicp from here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/le...mods/rom-aicp-13-1-pro3-aka-zl0-x722-t3730711) is blackscreen kernel included?
If not what do i need to do to get it?
Thanks!
eqyliq said:
If i flash aicp from here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/le...mods/rom-aicp-13-1-pro3-aka-zl0-x722-t3730711) is blackscreen kernel included?
If not what do i need to do to get it?
Thanks!
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Blackscreen is always present by default I have AICP.
Anyway, you can use almost at any rom.
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eqyliq said:
If i flash aicp from here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/le...ods/rom-aicp-13-1-pro3-aka-zl0-x722-t3730711) is blackscreen kernel included?
If not what do i need to do to get it?
Thanks!
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Oc kernel is not included. You can find it on dev sections.
Hey everyone, as I said! This is my E2E review based on my intensive testing for the past 5 days!
1. Performance:
Pretty much the same, and in certain circumstances, the performance on games is much more fluid compared to the previous version of the OS.
2. Battery:
BEST! Getting 6 hours of SOT (Refresh rate 120hz always) and 1440p. Usage - FB, Watsapp, telegram, gaming (Asphalt, PES, Genshin impact, etc.,)
3. BUGS / ISSUES
A lot! : "D Seriously! The first preliminary update was such dumb! loads and loads of issues - Phone gets changes during call, need to hard reset in some situations. Music player issues, face unlocking issues. But, most of the issues were addressed on the next update (730MB) and it's alright now. Still, there is a wired notification bug with hanging icons.
PKkeys said:
Hey everyone, as I said! This is my E2E review based on my intensive testing for the past 5 days!
1. Performance:
Pretty much the same, and in certain circumstances, the performance on games is much more fluid compared to the previous version of the OS.
2. Battery:
BEST! Getting 6 hours of SOT (Refresh rate 120hz always) and 1440p. Usage - FB, Watsapp, telegram, gaming (Asphalt, PES, Genshin impact, etc.,)
3. BUGS / ISSUES
A lot! : "D Seriously! The first preliminary update was such dumb! loads and loads of issues - Phone gets changes during call, need to hard reset in some situations. Music player issues, face unlocking issues. But, most of the issues were addressed on the next update (730MB) and it's alright now. Still, there is a wired notification bug with hanging icons.
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Did check some benchmarks after the update , in antutu it cross 86k . Seems like they really improved with the update. The issues i felt is that, lock icon is missing on lockscren, gallery , navbar has dpi issues( this is only in QHD. So i feel they need to align things in QHD resolution). Other than that build is stable AF, i dint face music player bug, notification bug. I dont use faceunlock so no idea. Very nice, they head heard our feedbacks. They even replied regarding gcam. Seems like oplus is not fully oppo. I think in a month or so, if they go in this pace, oos 12 will be a solid update for 9 series.
I get also 6h SOT, but not sure it's good enough..Pixel 6 get about 9h SOT
Jomsha said:
I get also 6h SOT, but not sure it's good enough..Pixel 6 get about 9h SOT
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We will soon get that range in future with quality updates. Hoping
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We will soon get that range in future with quality updates. Hoping
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Yea, with OnePlus im not that sure anymore...
Jomsha said:
I get also 6h SOT, but not sure it's good enough..Pixel 6 get about 9h SOT
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I got 7.5 with first cycle in OOS 12 C39, its too early . Not media this time, it was heavy use. Btw my friends has PIxel 6 pro, which has ****ty battery ever, hardly gets 5 hrs on QHD. 6 you said is on 90hz and FHD, you cant compare with higher spec device. We cant get more than 8 hrs on QHD 120hz device with 4.5k mah battery. 8.5 is possible not more than that. Main thing i hate in the new pixel is its processor ( renamed exynos).
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We will soon get that range in future with quality updates. Hoping
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I think its too early, maybe afte few cycles, battery life is getting lit. Today i was surprised to get 7.5 sot on QHD in heavy usage without gaming, so this is first cycle. Maybe after 3 it may get better and better
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I got 7.5 with first cycle in OOS 12 C39, its too early . Not media this time, it was heavy use. Btw my friends has PIxel 6 pro, which has ****ty battery ever, hardly gets 5 hrs on QHD. 6 you said is on 90hz and FHD, you cant compare with higher spec device. We cant get more than 8 hrs on QHD 120hz device with 4.5k mah battery. 8.5 is possible not more than that. Main thing i hate in the new pixel is its processor ( renamed exynos).
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What is the brightness ?
Im on 75% brightness, FHD+ 120HZ
And get 6h sot max
Jomsha said:
What is the brightness ?
Im on 75% brightness, FHD+ 120HZ
And get 6h sot max
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50% QHD 120hz
what happened to the OP9 pro on the One Plus software update page?
OnePlus Support Softwareupgrade - OnePlus (United States)
support softwareupgrade
www.oneplus.com
After updating to android 12 my phone shows as LE2121. Normally chinese model LE2120. is this normal ?
PKkeys said:
Hey everyone, as I said! This is my E2E review based on my intensive testing for the past 5 days!
1. Performance:
Pretty much the same, and in certain circumstances, the performance on games is much more fluid compared to the previous version of the OS.
2. Battery:
BEST! Getting 6 hours of SOT (Refresh rate 120hz always) and 1440p. Usage - FB, Watsapp, telegram, gaming (Asphalt, PES, Genshin impact, etc.,)
3. BUGS / ISSUES
A lot! : "D Seriously! The first preliminary update was such dumb! loads and loads of issues - Phone gets changes during call, need to hard reset in some situations. Music player issues, face unlocking issues. But, most of the issues were addressed on the next update (730MB) and it's alright now. Still, there is a wired notification bug with hanging icons.
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I can't believe you don't see font size issues. It seems you use your phone with standard dpi. I pteffer dpi 500. The problem is some apps and parts of the system ignore dpi settings and still ugly large font is used. And dpi set in developer settings is reverted to default after reboot.
I can't understand how anybody can use so large screen with default dpi, unless you are blind and you need large text.
It's blocking issue in my case. I will never install system where I can't set small fonts. It's actually built in Android feature, shame they wish to break it. Either they fix that (I don't think so), or I will stay on Oxygen 11 and will eventually use LineageOS if I decide to switch to Android 12
At this point and given what oneplus has done to Android 12, I will seriously be considering if Oneplus is still a brand I want to buy, CrapOOS12 is a disaster
I've been on custom ROM's ever since I bought T-Mobile Exhibit 4g used up until 8 pro & 9 pro.
Oxygen Os with a few tweaks had everything I needed, and now with no Oxygen Os anymore
I guess back to custom ROMs and hopefully source will stay updated.
The price for the Poco F3 has gotten even lower here making it a incredible deal
I am quite tempted to pick up one but ii wanted to know how are the ROMs for it? what should i avoid and etc?
Which Kernel - Rom can net me more battery life too
BrokeBloke1969 said:
The price for the Poco F3 has gotten even lower here making it a incredible deal
I am quite tempted to pick up one but ii wanted to know how are the ROMs for it? what should i avoid and etc?
Which Kernel - Rom can net me more battery life too
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Arrow is the only decent one.
Feel free to try others too but you'll most likely find arrow the most functional one - practically no bugs , no drain during night , almost full touch polling rate ( is close to miui touch polling , but leagues ahead of other aosp roms , enable it in settings first ), has kernel profiles per app like benchmark,gaming,etc. , is overall the best.
The only issue is that this phone is utterly shet in the custom ROM scene overall ... If you use arrow as the best representative of what's available you see that certain parts are almost as good as in miui like touch polling ( Never as good as miui tho... ) , and those are only few , basic stuff like camera doesn't work , auto focus is nonexistent , some camera sensors do no load like macro and idk if any other one ... The picture quality is utterly shet... Unusable
Idk what to tell you... There's other stuff too like screen edges showing pixels, brightness not quite as bright as the panel goes in the miui... In a year or two's time maybe it'll get as good as miui lol But I'd honestly get a pixel if you're into developing scene ( Don't expect much in here , the situation is that it works, many roms to choose from but still leaves a lot to be expected and I don't even mean any custom features... Just the basic hardware that phone came with)
I 'm not sure what the guy on top said, but since Lineage officially supports this phone, it's gonna stay a long time into relevancy. Lineage (and LineageForMicroG) is the only option if you want clean pure AOSP android. GCam's also are many. We are talking about 120hz refresh amoled display with a great chip 870, which till that day is quite powerful and most of all, does not thermal throttle easy. Watch this youtube video to see for yourself! All in all this phone was a major step forward from the F1, which I come from and don't go into the ROM rabbit hole (been there done that). The only ROM that is relevant/stable/clean is Lineage.
EDIT: also you may just skip the current generation of qualcomm Gen 1 it has many issues, namely thermal throttling, battery draining etc.
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I 'm not sure what the guy on top said, but since Lineage officially supports this phone, it's gonna stay a long time into relevancy. Lineage (and LineageForMicroG) is the only option if you want clean pure AOSP android. GCam's also are many. We are talking about 120hz refresh amoled display with a great chip 870, which till that day is quite powerful and most of all, does not thermal throttle easy. Watch this youtube video to see for yourself! All in all this phone was a major step forward from the F1, which I come from and don't go into the ROM rabbit hole (been there done that). The only ROM that is relevant/stable/clean is Lineage.
EDIT: also you may just skip the current generation of qualcomm Gen 1 it has many issues, namely thermal throttling, battery draining etc.
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Did Lineage Release A12 Rom for alioth?
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Did Lineage Release A12 Rom for alioth?
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only google pixel phones have los 19, but these phone are the beta testers of the bunch. I have used android 12 and I must say, it's not ready yet!
Rstment ^m^ said:
Arrow is the only decent one.
Feel free to try others too but you'll most likely find arrow the most functional one - practically no bugs , no drain during night , almost full touch polling rate ( is close to miui touch polling , but leagues ahead of other aosp roms , enable it in settings first ), has kernel profiles per app like benchmark,gaming,etc. , is overall the best.
The only issue is that this phone is utterly shet in the custom ROM scene overall ... If you use arrow as the best representative of what's available you see that certain parts are almost as good as in miui like touch polling ( Never as good as miui tho... ) , and those are only few , basic stuff like camera doesn't work , auto focus is nonexistent , some camera sensors do no load like macro and idk if any other one ... The picture quality is utterly shet... Unusable
Idk what to tell you... There's other stuff too like screen edges showing pixels, brightness not quite as bright as the panel goes in the miui... In a year or two's time maybe it'll get as good as miui lol But I'd honestly get a pixel if you're into developing scene ( Don't expect much in here , the situation is that it works, many roms to choose from but still leaves a lot to be expected and I don't even mean any custom features... Just the basic hardware that phone came with)
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I'd love to get a Pixel 6 but the battery life on it is disheartening comparing it with the 5a, Tensor isn't looking great.
Thank you for going in-depth friend, i appreciate it
Zatsando said:
I 'm not sure what the guy on top said, but since Lineage officially supports this phone, it's gonna stay a long time into relevancy. Lineage (and LineageForMicroG) is the only option if you want clean pure AOSP android. GCam's also are many. We are talking about 120hz refresh amoled display with a great chip 870, which till that day is quite powerful and most of all, does not thermal throttle easy. Watch this youtube video to see for yourself! All in all this phone was a major step forward from the F1, which I come from and don't go into the ROM rabbit hole (been there done that). The only ROM that is relevant/stable/clean is Lineage.
EDIT: also you may just skip the current generation of qualcomm Gen 1 it has many issues, namely thermal throttling, battery draining etc.
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I haven't used Lineage in ages, since 4 or 5 Androids ago, for how long is it supported by the devs?
BrokeBloke1969 said:
I'd love to get a Pixel 6 but the battery life on it is disheartening comparing it with the 5a, Tensor isn't looking great.
Thank you for going in-depth friend, i appreciate it
I haven't used Lineage in ages, since 4 or 5 Androids ago, for how long is it supported by the devs?
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I don't know the exact time but since my old mi 5, that i gave to my dad, is still receiving update (ffs this is a phone from 2016) I can safely assume it will be supported for many years to come.
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I'd love to get a Pixel 6 but the battery life on it is disheartening comparing it with the 5a, Tensor isn't looking great.
Thank you for going in-depth friend, i appreciate it
I haven't used Lineage in ages, since 4 or 5 Androids ago, for how long is it supported by the devs?
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is not supported.
I talked to dev and he basically threw his hands tryimg to fix stuff that isn't working.. He says he wanted to implement fixes that arrow has but was refused...
Touch is horrendous on lineage , it lags behind and gets stuck a lot in scrolling... These things you don't notice at first , you have to use it for a while in order to notice but when you do is a huge deal breaker.
Not even just scrolling... You notice micro stutter as you use the phone - micro stutters are fkin hell. I was happy with it at first only to have to uninstall within 1/2 hours when I noticed that touch just ain't working right
Don't bother getting this one is my take. You won't geg the features you paid for on aosp - touch polling , temperature , performance , battery charging speed ( You can charge fast forsure but other than arrow all other roms overheat to death during even regular charge speed - 40°C-50°C without anything open ) all is worse than the spec sheet...
My is not even year old but already falling apart ( Backplate lifting off from day one , charging port fkin cracked - the cheap metal they use for the phone frame cracked ... all of this on 0 major falls
Also don't think miui is any better. Bunch of restrictions, they basically hold you hostage and enable 60/120hz refresh rate as they see fit. Some apps like youtube/games are blacklisted and only allow 60hz refresh rate... Terrible thermal engine , that's the major ones at least. Everything else you can live with for the price point but the utterly lacking perfomance + restrictions on refresh rate and even touch polling unless you specifically tell it not to in certain apps are not worth dealing with.
I miss my old phone , I'd go back to my 60hz older gen phone rather than have a phone that jumps in between 60/120hz as it sees fit or the same deal with perfomance - throttling to hell with terrible performance under load
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Arrow is the only decent one.
Feel free to try others too but you'll most likely find arrow the most functional one - practically no bugs , no drain during night , almost full touch polling rate ( is close to miui touch polling , but leagues ahead of other aosp roms , enable it in settings first ), has kernel profiles per app like benchmark,gaming,etc. , is overall the best.
The only issue is that this phone is utterly shet in the custom ROM scene overall ... If you use arrow as the best representative of what's available you see that certain parts are almost as good as in miui like touch polling ( Never as good as miui tho... ) , and those are only few , basic stuff like camera doesn't work , auto focus is nonexistent , some camera sensors do no load like macro and idk if any other one ... The picture quality is utterly shet... Unusable
Idk what to tell you... There's other stuff too like screen edges showing pixels, brightness not quite as bright as the panel goes in the miui... In a year or two's time maybe it'll get as good as miui lol But I'd honestly get a pixel if you're into developing scene ( Don't expect much in here , the situation is that it works, many roms to choose from but still leaves a lot to be expected and I don't even mean any custom features... Just the basic hardware that phone came with)
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May i know what version of arrowos did you used? Android 11 version or the 12 one?
sandiskusb said:
May i know what version of arrowos did you used? Android 11 version or the 12 one?
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Go with android 12 as long as you don't use apps that won't work on it
Rstment ^m^ said:
Arrow is the only decent one.
Feel free to try others too but you'll most likely find arrow the most functional one - practically no bugs , no drain during night , almost full touch polling rate ( is close to miui touch polling , but leagues ahead of other aosp roms , enable it in settings first ), has kernel profiles per app like benchmark,gaming,etc. , is overall the best.
The only issue is that this phone is utterly shet in the custom ROM scene overall ... If you use arrow as the best representative of what's available you see that certain parts are almost as good as in miui like touch polling ( Never as good as miui tho... ) , and those are only few , basic stuff like camera doesn't work , auto focus is nonexistent , some camera sensors do no load like macro and idk if any other one ... The picture quality is utterly shet... Unusable
Idk what to tell you... There's other stuff too like screen edges showing pixels, brightness not quite as bright as the panel goes in the miui... In a year or two's time maybe it'll get as good as miui lol But I'd honestly get a pixel if you're into developing scene ( Don't expect much in here , the situation is that it works, many roms to choose from but still leaves a lot to be expected and I don't even mean any custom features... Just the basic hardware that phone came with)
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PixelOS is currently the most functional one i've tried between (ArrowOS, PixelPlusUI, crDroid, Lineageos). Has a few more features than ArrowOS and battery life is just a bit better
I am just happy with CrDroid
a lot of roms are decent and stable, but official doesn't mean perfect. close to stock, Los is a good Choice but a11. on a12, arrow os and syberia are great choices if you want aosp experience with little extra tweaks. for high customization, crdroid is a great choice (very active devs). I am currently on ancient os (not available on xda it seems) to be which has high customization and the smoothest ui and ux I've seen till now, ahead of the competition in this area IMO. it has updated drivers and vulkan renderer. has anyone compared last version of ancient with other custom roms in term of smoothness ? does anyone knows if any major rom switched to updated drivers or vulkan rendering as default?
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Go with android 12 as long as you don't use apps that won't work on it
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Ok, thanks
BrokeBloke1969 said:
The price for the Poco F3 has gotten even lower here making it a incredible deal
I am quite tempted to pick up one but ii wanted to know how are the ROMs for it? what should i avoid and etc?
Which Kernel - Rom can net me more battery life too
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If you want to see the complete scene, go there: https://t.me/PocoF3IDUpdate
Enjoy
nicky69100 said:
a lot of roms are decent and stable, but official doesn't mean perfect. close to stock, Los is a good Choice but a11. on a12, arrow os and syberia are great choices if you want aosp experience with little extra tweaks. for high customization, crdroid is a great choice (very active devs). I am currently on ancient os (not available on xda it seems) to be which has high customization and the smoothest ui and ux I've seen till now, ahead of the competition in this area IMO. it has updated drivers and vulkan renderer. has anyone compared last version of ancient with other custom roms in term of smoothness ? does anyone knows if any major rom switched to updated drivers or vulkan rendering as default?
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How is the battery consumption on ancient os? How is the idle drain compared to other roms?
Dror1 said:
How is the battery consumption on ancient os? How is the idle drain compared to other roms?
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I have between 6 7 hours of sot in mixed use (Netflix, browsing, Spotify, 1hr call, 1hr gaming on parsec). idle drain is great, I lose only 1-2% at night with data disabled. At first I had some drain which disappeared after disabling some Google apps (auto, wellbeing, search, system intelligence...)
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is not supported.
I talked to dev and he basically threw his hands tryimg to fix stuff that isn't working.. He says he wanted to implement fixes that arrow has but was refused...
Touch is horrendous on lineage , it lags behind and gets stuck a lot in scrolling... These things you don't notice at first , you have to use it for a while in order to notice but when you do is a huge deal breaker.
Not even just scrolling... You notice micro stutter as you use the phone - micro stutters are fkin hell. I was happy with it at first only to have to uninstall within 1/2 hours when I noticed that touch just ain't working right
Don't bother getting this one is my take. You won't geg the features you paid for on aosp - touch polling , temperature , performance , battery charging speed ( You can charge fast forsure but other than arrow all other roms overheat to death during even regular charge speed - 40°C-50°C without anything open ) all is worse than the spec sheet...
My is not even year old but already falling apart ( Backplate lifting off from day one , charging port fkin cracked - the cheap metal they use for the phone frame cracked ... all of this on 0 major falls
Also don't think miui is any better. Bunch of restrictions, they basically hold you hostage and enable 60/120hz refresh rate as they see fit. Some apps like youtube/games are blacklisted and only allow 60hz refresh rate... Terrible thermal engine , that's the major ones at least. Everything else you can live with for the price point but the utterly lacking perfomance + restrictions on refresh rate and even touch polling unless you specifically tell it not to in certain apps are not worth dealing with.
I miss my old phone , I'd go back to my 60hz older gen phone rather than have a phone that jumps in between 60/120hz as it sees fit or the same deal with perfomance - throttling to hell with terrible performance under load
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nicky69100 said:
I have between 6 7 hours of sot in mixed use (Netflix, browsing, Spotify, 1hr call, 1hr gaming on parsec). idle drain is great, I lose only 1-2% at night with data disabled. At first I had some drain which disappeared after disabling some Google apps (auto, wellbeing, search, system intelligence...)
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Thank you again for the responses, what kernel have you used the your custom roms?
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Thank you again for the responses, what kernel have you used the your custom roms?
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I use embedded kernels, I didn't try other kernels yet (it is already hard enough to find a stable rom XD)
In conclusion poco F3 is great phone for customizing ROM. So many great ROM option. I love my CRDroid 8.2 , it had some flaw but it almost perfect for my need. I believe you will also found the one ROM that suit u best. (Heck even miui derivatives are plenty for this phone)
Any thoughts on when LineageOS or alternatives will run on the S22 ?
I'd like to use LineageOS primarily because my battery will last longer and I don't mind running Android 12, doesn't need to be the latest.
Are there any options open to me or do I need to wait some months or just buy an S21 ?
I would get the N10+ running on Android 10, no higher. Other than the smoothness of the display and the slight cam improvements it's a better phone.
The fact that a 3yo flagship can effectively compete with the latest Samsung/Google Adroid OS version shows how badly both have dropped the ball.
Hopefully there will be an GSI that runs well on the exynos S22, phh has got an S22.
Little hope for any aosplike roms tho
foe me its not worth loosing waranty and features from one ui. check the other threads with my attempts
final version for exynos s22 is this:
i recommend galaxy max hz. didnt even touch the refresh rates.
use doze settings with all sensors off. im back to s21 6hr sot using this method.
also turn wifi off when screem off untill samsung fixes the firmware. i use a few tasker profiles and kwgt/nova launcher. without them i think the drain would be even lower. standby drain is under 1%/h
slight debloat and degoglify the phone . use the apps you need only
good luck and come back with the results
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foe me its not worth loosing waranty and features from one ui. check the other threads with my attempts
final version for exynos s22 is this:
i recommend galaxy max hz. didnt even touch the refresh rates.
use doze settings with all sensors off. im back to s21 6hr sot using this method.
also turn wifi off when screem off untill samsung fixes the firmware. i use a few tasker profiles and kwgt/nova launcher. without them i think the drain would be even lower. standby drain is under 1%/h
slight debloat and degoglify the phone . use the apps you need only
good luck and come back with the results
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Does the doze settings disable push notifications?
yes.it delays then. but you can skip doze for the apps you need notifications instantly by disabling battery optimization for those apps
xjust said:
foe me its not worth loosing waranty and features from one ui. check the other threads with my attempts
final version for exynos s22 is this:
i recommend galaxy max hz. didnt even touch the refresh rates.
use doze settings with all sensors off. im back to s21 6hr sot using this method.
also turn wifi off when screem off untill samsung fixes the firmware. i use a few tasker profiles and kwgt/nova launcher. without them i think the drain would be even lower. standby drain is under 1%/h
slight debloat and degoglify the phone . use the apps you need only
good luck and come back with the results
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Indeed, take out the trash...
You'll just lose functionality by going to a generic OS. One UI, the spen, the cams are big reasons people buy Samsung's. This phone is not Samsung's best effort but that doesn't mean it can't be optimized into something that runs a lot better then it is now... without updates.
Play with it and find your own workarounds.
Once you learn how to optimize that OS version, stay on it unless the upgrade is proven good and adds substantial value to your device's mission.
Don't except token trinket upgrades that cost you lost time and device usability/functionality.