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Time to give credit to Samsung.

I have to say I have tried EVERY ROM on the SGH-T989 and can say none are as stable and have the battery life to match the stock ROM.
I tried Darkside today. It is a clean ROM. Close to stock. I had two complete lockups on the phone that required battery removal in about a 6 hour period. I am not overclocking at all. The ROM has an underclock by default.
I just think it's time to give Samsung and the programmers there a thumbs up for doing such a great job on this phone.
It would be nice if they could release more of the header and source so the developers here could have a better chance of getting a stable ROM built...but until that happens I will just stay with a rooted and stock ROM.
Peace.

I've had no lockups or any problems in the 150 hour uptime I had with Juggernaut 5.0 with 009m faux's kernel.
Battery life is much better as well. Dropping down to 80% after 1 hour of display time.

Cool story bro

chlehqls said:
I've had no lockups or any problems in the 150 hour uptime I had with Juggernaut 5.0 with 009m faux's kernel.
Battery life is much better as well. Dropping down to 80% after 1 hour of display time.
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I was on the stock ROM for 6 hours yesterday. Surfing, playing games, wifi enabled. Used a bit over 30% from a full charge.
I jumped right into custom ROM's when I got this phone. After going back to stock is when I realized how much the custom ROM's actually degrade the phone.
I have ran Jugg's 4.x with Faux kernel and Bullet kernels. Bullet was faster by a good bit. Battery sucker from hell though.
Do these phones really need the overclocks and tweaks? After going back to stock my opinion is no.
Peace.

You probably didnt follow the directions when installing any of the roms you tried.
If companies like samsung were as awesome as you say they are, would XDA exist at all in the 1st place?
Enjoy your bloatware.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App

ninrocket2 said:
I was on the stock ROM for 6 hours yesterday. Surfing, playing games, wifi enabled. Used a bit over 30% from a full charge.
I jumped right into custom ROM's when I got this phone. After going back to stock is when I realized how much the custom ROM's actually degrade the phone.
I have ran Jugg's 4.x with Faux kernel and Bullet kernels. Bullet was faster by a good bit. Battery sucker from hell though.
Do these phones really need the overclocks and tweaks? After going back to stock my opinion is no.
Peace.
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Battery proof? Heres mine with Darkside:
http://db.tt/Dndk1SLW
http://db.tt/qxYSJxJv
http://db.tt/AydX5Jxx
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Me being the analytical type....and to just keep this topic fact filled and useful will create a test bed to compare the 'popular' roms versus stock.
I will create a post in the next week to share the results.
Peace.

ninrocket2 said:
Me being the analytical type....and to just keep this topic fact filled and useful will create a test bed to compare the 'popular' roms versus stock.
I will create a post in the next week to share the results.
Peace.
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Theres already a thread for that:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1524569
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jordanishere said:
You probably didnt follow the directions when installing any of the roms you tried.
If companies like samsung were as awesome as you say they are, would XDA exist at all in the 1st place?
Enjoy your bloatware.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
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Keep it civil and to the point. Don't attack my character by implying that I don't know how to follow directions and flash a ROM. I have been a member on XDA since the first year....much longer than you.
I don't have a problem with bloatware. I use a stock ROOTED ROM and remove the bloatware. Very easy to test and then delete bloatware using Titanium Backup.
XDA got it's start back when the CPU and chipsets on phones were very slow. Over time the new phones have become handheld computers. The processing speed is much faster.
In the beginning the OS's were in the infantile stages as well. They have all improved dramatically.
I remember when a flash on something like the HTC Tytan made a huge difference. You were getting the GPS and FM Radio Unlocked. The bloatware was removed in the ROM(Windows based...no ROOT access). It made a huge difference in the performance of the phone and unlocked a lot of features.
This isn't the case with the new phones. There really is nothing being added to the ROM's that can't be added via the market or removed using Titanium Backup.
What I have seen with every ROM is intermittent lockups that require battery removal and excessive battery consumption probably from the aggressive timings that aren't necessary.
Peace.

ninrocket2 said:
Keep it civil and to the point. Don't attack my character by implying that I don't know how to follow directions and flash a ROM. I have been a member on XDA since the first year....much longer than you.
I don't have a problem with bloatware. I use a stock ROOTED ROM and remove the bloatware. Very easy to test and then delete bloatware using Titanium Backup.
XDA got it's start back when the CPU and chipsets on phones were very slow. Over time the new phones have become handheld computers. The processing speed is much faster.
In the beginning the OS's were in the infantile stages as well. They have all improved dramatically.
I remember when a flash on something like the HTC Tytan made a huge difference. You were getting the GPS and FM Radio Unlocked. The bloatware was removed in the ROM(Windows based...no ROOT access). It made a huge difference in the performance of the phone and unlocked a lot of features.
This isn't the case with the new phones. There really is nothing being added to the ROM's that can't be added via the market or removed using Titanium Backup.
What I have seen with every ROM is intermittent lockups that require battery removal and excessive battery consumption probably from the aggressive timings that aren't necessary.
Peace.
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I look forward to your battery testing!
Please include multiple kernels as you test various ROMs, especially faux and Synergy
And perhaps install Juice Defender as a best case.
Personally I haven't experienced any lockups with the two custom T989 ROMs I've tested, but have benefited from the improved battery life dramatically. I'd still love to see a more controlled experiment, however.

jordanishere said:
Theres already a thread for that:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1524569
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Read it. It is basically a generic thread. No stats or true testing methods just some user comments.
I want to actually test the phone in real life conditions. Watch some vids, talk on the phone, skype/gtalk/YM video call...etc. Actually run consecutive tests across the best ROMS and stock and see how they match up.
Benchmarking is a bit ridiculous....in several aspects.
If a game runs 30 fps or greater...you won't see the difference.
If a game runs a stable 30 fps versus a ROM that peaks at 50 but valleys at 15....you will definitely see the difference.
If a ROM runs 50 fps versus 30 and both are stable...you won't see the difference. The question then is which one uses less battery. The obvious answer is the one running 30fps. Less frames means less redraws and less CPU and GPU.
I just want to once an for all be able to definitively say what each ROM is really doing to the phone with graphs.
Not hard to do. Just takes a real world test model and some time. I think I can test one ROM a day. I will test the most popular ROM's....Juggs, Beast, Darkside, Bombardier, Gingersnap, etc... I have tested them all. I know which ones are legit and which ones aren't.
Peace

ninrocket2 said:
Keep it civil and to the point. Don't attack my character by implying that I don't know how to follow directions and flash a ROM. I have been a member on XDA since the first year....much longer than you.
I don't have a problem with bloatware. I use a stock ROOTED ROM and remove the bloatware. Very easy to test and then delete bloatware using Titanium Backup.
XDA got it's start back when the CPU and chipsets on phones were very slow. Over time the new phones have become handheld computers. The processing speed is much faster.
In the beginning the OS's were in the infantile stages as well. They have all improved dramatically.
I remember when a flash on something like the HTC Tytan made a huge difference. You were getting the GPS and FM Radio Unlocked. The bloatware was removed in the ROM(Windows based...no ROOT access). It made a huge difference in the performance of the phone and unlocked a lot of features.
This isn't the case with the new phones. There really is nothing being added to the ROM's that can't be added via the market or removed using Titanium Backup.
What I have seen with every ROM is intermittent lockups that require battery removal and excessive battery consumption probably from the aggressive timings that aren't necessary.
Peace.
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Agree 100%
Nothing has performed better than stock 2.3.6, rooted and debloated.
Sent from my T989 hunting for Siri Connor

I run Juggernaut 5, ADW launcher, AOSP ICS themed, with Darkside's latest kernel (extracted it from Darkside ROM pakage), and I've had amazing battery life, OC'd to 1.83ghz with ondemand governor.
And IMO Touchwiz is ugly, samsung tries too hard to make all their stuff look like the iPhone. They do a crappy job of it and it ends up being a dissapointment.
I think any small degradation of battery life is worth the noticable boost in snappiness and cosmetics of the phone. I personally couldn't stand the stock phone, as soon as I could I flashed something different.

zander21510 said:
I run Juggernaut 5, ADW launcher, AOSP ICS themed, with Darkside's latest kernel (extracted it from Darkside ROM pakage), and I've had amazing battery life, OC'd to 1.83ghz with ondemand governor.
And IMO Touchwiz is ugly, samsung tries too hard to make all their stuff look like the iPhone. They do a crappy job of it and it ends up being a dissapointment.
I think any small degradation of battery life is worth the noticable boost in snappiness and cosmetics of the phone. I personally couldn't stand the stock phone, as soon as I could I flashed something different.
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Strictly aesthetics can be achieved through the use of different launchers/lockscreens. The point of ROMs/Kernels need to be more than aesthetics. Hence, "some" of the ROMs offered [strictly speaking] are a pretty big disappointment because they're nothing more than themed stuff baked in and offer no real functionality.
I'm REALLY interested in a controlled experiment of battery claims of different ROMs/kernels. Preferably all at stock speeds.

djxcee said:
Battery proof? Heres mine with Darkside:
http://db.tt/Dndk1SLW
http://db.tt/qxYSJxJv
http://db.tt/AydX5Jxx
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Sorry but there is absolutely NO proof in these pictures.
I can see that your phone was on battery for a bit over 1 day.
I can also see that 45% of your phones battery usage was the display...and that the display was on for a bit over 7 hours.
What I don't know is what was your screen brightness set at?
Does the display percentage represent JUST the LED power for the screen or does it also include the GPU/CPU driving the display?
Where are the numbers for the stock ROM?
Those numbers mean nothing when you don't have a standardized test bed and procedure.
Peace.

zander21510 said:
I run Juggernaut 5, ADW launcher, AOSP ICS themed, with Darkside's latest kernel (extracted it from Darkside ROM pakage), and I've had amazing battery life, OC'd to 1.83ghz with ondemand governor.
And IMO Touchwiz is ugly, samsung tries too hard to make all their stuff look like the iPhone. They do a crappy job of it and it ends up being a dissapointment.
I think any small degradation of battery life is worth the noticable boost in snappiness and cosmetics of the phone. I personally couldn't stand the stock phone, as soon as I could I flashed something different.
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You can use a home launcher on the stock debloated ROM and get the same results with more stability and better battery life.
I recommend you check DXHOME out to see a smooth launcher.
Peace.

ninrocket2 said:
Sorry but there is absolutely NO proof in these pictures.
I can see that your phone was on battery for a bit over 1 day.
I can also see that 45% of your phones battery usage was the display...and that the display was on for a bit over 7 hours.
What I don't know is what was your screen brightness set at?
Does the display percentage represent JUST the LED power for the screen or does it also include the GPU/CPU driving the display?
Where are the numbers for the stock ROM?
Those numbers mean nothing when you don't have a standardized test bed and procedure.
Peace.
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Actually, unless that test was completely skewed (e.g. screen on displaying black screen), 7 hours of screen on time + 20 odd hours of standby time with use of radios/connectivity is very very impressive.

2hvy4grvty said:
Strictly aesthetics can be achieved through the use of different launchers/lockscreens. The point of ROMs/Kernels need to be more than aesthetics. Hence, "some" of the ROMs offered [strictly speaking] are a pretty big disappointment because they're nothing more than themed stuff baked in and offer no real functionality.
I'm REALLY interested in a controlled experiment of battery claims of different ROMs/kernels. Preferably all at stock speeds.
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I agree with your first paragraph 100% and will get the experiment underway with Stock speeds.
Peace.

2hvy4grvty said:
Actually, unless that test was completely skewed (e.g. screen on displaying black screen), 7 hours of screen on time + 20 odd hours of standby time with use of radios/connectivity is very very impressive.
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When you can refer us to pictures of a base ROM with the same parameters and settings for comparison then I might say it is impressive. But with no base ROM data it is purely speculation.
Peace.

enjoy the drm laden ciq enabled features... That cannot be removed by titanium unless it can magically decompile recompile frameworks on the fly...
Enjoy the Memeroy leaked jobsmanager....
Anyways now thats oout of the way
How much time did you spend between stock firmwares and custom firmwares?
Did you fully wipe the device before flashing and after
Did you do dirty nanoid restores?
A little more info woud be helpfull
at the end of the day if you enjoy stock more great for you.... Use it n move on...
Still missing the point of this thread on a dev website unless you like being trolled.

Benchmarking weirdness

I just want to know if anyome can explain why when running antutu benchmarks I cant even get scores equal to the score the app says I should be getting for this phone let alone better ones. Infact I often get much worse scores not even close to what it says I should be getting. Even more so Im running custom rom with overclocked kernel and its just sad. When u look to see what your device other are gettibg score wise there is like a major difference. I get like 10,000 to like 14,000. Iv tried using set cpu to make it run better with no success. And I tried using the app that came with the kernel to make it better by changing some settings and still nothing. It seems like nothibg I do can even get me scores that the phone should get as an average let alone better ones even when overclocked and such.
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Funny you should post this...
I was angonizing over my scores a month or so ago, and was not getting scores even close to what I expected.
The tests made me so mad I gave up and went stock...LOL
Benchmarks are affected by soooooo many variables within the OS, they are often considered eye wash for speed related results.
The rom you run, the kernel, modem, background processing, data, wifi....blah blah blah....LOL
You see where I'm going with this ??
Stock TW based builds always run the best for me, and give the best scores...(remember, they dont mean much really).....really
If your device runs well, gets good battery life, and you are happy with the choice in roms you have made, then dont worry about antutu, or anything else.
Raw scores are called raw for a reason, as they are base estimates of a perceived result.
True testing of a device must be done under a set of rules only a factory can measure.....IMHO, and unless the devices being tested are paired "EXACTLY" the same, then the comparisons are flawed anyway......at least thats how i see it.....g

I understand that and I know how it affects but its more of a I do notice when my phone is quick or not and the scores usually reflect that. When I had my optimus g with it running alot more crap I was gettibg betyer scores and it wasnt overclocked and all that it was just stock. So I really believe that it should be running better than its showing leaving me to believe that there is somethibg wrong with the kernel or something. I have done this with quite a few devices and there usualky a noticeable difference from stock to overclocked scores. But with this phone seems like it dosent show on this phone.
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Very possible. ..
Most reports for this quad core tell us that overclocking takes the device a bit backward in speed and performance.
I overclocked for a few weeks, and saw no appreciable performance gains.
The end result for me was a stock variant rom and a stock kernel.
I then gained transition speeds with launcher changes.
Nova launcher, with the transition speeds set to maximum is quite impressive. And graphical transitions were running best at stock speeds.
I might get flamed for this, but I would honestly say that with minor UI adjustment, and stock kernels, this device needs very little if any real change at all to achieve the best performance.
Mileage will vary, but I'm staying rooted stock with a custom launcher.
Everything else seems to drag this device down. ..g

My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
Sent from my Note II

theshamrockking said:
My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
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It's been said that our note 2 is a bit lacking with the current GPU...although, a GPU overclock may help you the most, while leaving the CPU alone.
I've not tried any GPU modifications, unless the Roms I've used included them without my knowledge....g

I did try and overclock the gpu and I get vaired results I havent tried playing any of my graphically intense games yet so im not sure but I believe it may have slightly helped. Its too bad I had thought that the mali chip was better than the 330 thats in most high end phones now.
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I dont dare say that mali is poor, but I am willing to say that it does get outshined on more than one occasion....g

Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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theshamrockking said:
Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g

gregsarg said:
Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g
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Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
Sent from my Note II

You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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theshamrockking said:
Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
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If you liked that g....just wait until the Optimus Pro hits...LOL
It's a bit cheaper built I think, but wow...It's a runner...(so they say)
check out it's specs on google....
The note3 will need to compete directly with it, and a few other choice pieces of hardware in the next 6 months if Sammy wants to stay on top.
The improvements from the note1 to this device are staggering, I can only imagine what a note3 will run like.....g

Oh yes iv read plenty about the g pro and it does sound nice iv thought about trying to trade the note for it. But I then remember the reasons I wanted the note instead. Its the dev comunity and the work that gets done. There was the boringist stuff going on over there. And plus it seems like the samsung devices hold value better and juat plane better ui than lg. Ao I like what I have juat miss some of the faster and smoother useI got out of the optimus.
Sent from my Note II

LittleRedDot said:
You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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To be honest benckmarks do matter but only if you really understand them and know how to use them. Im not just someone who sees **** score or awesome scores an decides anything. But the scores do matter. If u took a droid x and ran benchmarks and got **** scores and then ran this not you would see a difference. They matter just if you choose to see it. I know many many people who try and try to convince others that benchmarks dont matter when all a benckmark is is a test of the hardware and if u use the same program on different devices you will note the different qualitys in the scores. Showing you the pieces of hardware or software mostky hardware that is better or worse. Like with the mali vs the 330. Or the quad s4 vs I forget what is in this device. Or an amd vs a intel. They show what does what best. If you know what you are doing.
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I don't believe in benchmarks. I can run antutu and get xyz score, then run it again 10 seconds later and get abc score, then run it again 10 seconds late and lmn score, all to varying degrees. It's a gimmick.
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If the scores vary drastically its probably because of the background services and apps doing things. Sometimes there is less sometimes more. U either take that into account or you do it with a fresh phone with nothibg on it. Including no google account. Just sideload the app and then run the test and do it a few times they should be more similar.
Sent from my Note II

Regardless of scores. .. and considering the drastically different user habits, I do believe Samsung found excellent balance in both form and function with this device.
To add more power would kill battery. And drive the device size even larger.
I do feel they have a great balance here.
The note3 should become an absolute power phone if they build from this base....IMHO....g

A Realization

Come to think of it, our phone is truly amazing.
It has far-exceeded its original shelf-life, and is still very capable to uphold itself in these upcoming years.
Three cheers for Android!

HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY
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Reinvented said:
Come to think of it, our phone is truly amazing.
It has far-exceeded its original shelf-life, and is still very capable to uphold itself in these upcoming years.
Three cheers for Android!
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yea, it's just sucks a little that Google/TI no longer support it.
and also apparently didn't do much of anything in the ways of optimizing code as per omapzoom and other things. I just feel like this thing still has a pretty nice amount of untapped potential in it and wish I knew how to do anything at all in order to pull it out. because while SURE it can perform nicely, there ARE times where you can tell it's strained. and it Just seems like with proper coding it shouldn't at all. Imho the cpu is plenty good enough to handle more than it does, but due to other factors that also put a damper on battery life, it has been held back just a bit from it's full power in order to squeeze that extra necessary juice out.
(which brings me to a side question here, not trying to thread hijack sorries. but, a lot of times you see kernels and roms that have descriptions for "battery tweaks". and in my experience, saving battery tweaks usually go in hand with a slight, even if minute, drop of performance. what I'm trying to find out is what specifically was changed for those "battery saving tweaks". I would personally like to play around with those values. one thing I came across was I believe kernel tweak for "random read/write wake threshold" in sysctl which a lot put to 128/256 respectively as a battery saving tweak. I'm still researching/testing into just exactly WHAT that is for, but I have lowered those values from anywhere of 64/128 to 8/16. but I'd like to couple that with any OTHER changes to see what can be squeezed so to speak lol...anyone let me know if you know of any that you used in the past so that I might look into them and see if were implemented in my setup and reverse them if possible....pm me IF OP would rather this not clog up the thread lol sorry)
but yeah I agree mostly as well, especially with the great devs who worked on & the newer guys who have been jumping on to keep things moving forward, it's just GREAT community for a solid device.
it's my first nexus and I'm extremely happy I got it within 4months of launch so that I could be around and grow WITH it, learning a ton and experiencing it's evolution. it's been fun and STILL is after so long. it is cool to see that even when development started to slow a bit, others jumped to the plate and started digging in, reviving all the excitement. cheers to all in this community!

I see it the other way:
That newer phones may have gotten better specs but Android OS has not changed enough to justify updating to the latest/greatest phones.
For the past 20 months I'm still enjoying using 4.1.2 ROM seeing as the GN was the official 4.1 Jellybean show piece.
I've personally found KitKat to be a dumbed down version of Android, especially since Google removed tablet mode.

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yea, it's just sucks a little that Google/TI no longer support it.
and also apparently didn't do much of anything in the ways of optimizing code as per omapzoom and other things. I just feel like this thing still has a pretty nice amount of untapped potential in it and wish I knew how to do anything at all in order to pull it out. because while SURE it can perform nicely, there ARE times where you can tell it's strained. and it Just seems like with proper coding it shouldn't at all. Imho the cpu is plenty good enough to handle more than it does, but due to other factors that also put a damper on battery life, it has been held back just a bit from it's full power in order to squeeze that extra necessary juice out.
(which brings me to a side question here, not trying to thread hijack sorries. but, a lot of times you see kernels and roms that have descriptions for "battery tweaks". and in my experience, saving battery tweaks usually go in hand with a slight, even if minute, drop of performance. what I'm trying to find out is what specifically was changed for those "battery saving tweaks". I would personally like to play around with those values. one thing I came across was I believe kernel tweak for "random read/write wake threshold" in sysctl which a lot put to 128/256 respectively as a battery saving tweak. I'm still researching/testing into just exactly WHAT that is for, but I have lowered those values from anywhere of 64/128 to 8/16. but I'd like to couple that with any OTHER changes to see what can be squeezed so to speak lol...anyone let me know if you know of any that you used in the past so that I might look into them and see if were implemented in my setup and reverse them if possible....pm me IF OP would rather this not clog up the thread lol sorry)
but yeah I agree mostly as well, especially with the great devs who worked on & the newer guys who have been jumping on to keep things moving forward, it's just GREAT community for a solid device.
it's my first nexus and I'm extremely happy I got it within 4months of launch so that I could be around and grow WITH it, learning a ton and experiencing it's evolution. it's been fun and STILL is after so long. it is cool to see that even when development started to slow a bit, others jumped to the plate and started digging in, reviving all the excitement. cheers to all in this community!
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But linaro,omapzoom,cyanogen and much others still support our phone
What we need to do?We need to update to 3.4 kernel and add all 3.4 new things,inprove trim support,fix power hall(fix deep sleep mostly)
i will try to fix those,its my mission

I like how light kit kat is. But I remember better battery life on JB ROMS. I thought it would be the other way around but it's still nice to be on the latest version of android
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In all honesty, I have found that my battery life has been about the same between JB and KK.

Whiteboy_cannon said:
I like how light kit kat is. But I remember better battery life on JB ROMS. I thought it would be the other way around but it's still nice to be on the latest version of android
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Newer Android is usually the best route.
I've never personally understood why people cling onto Android 4.1, or 4.2.2 (when theyre rooted and have this specific phone)

Reinvented said:
Newer Android is usually the best route.
I've never personally understood why people cling onto Android 4.1, or 4.2.2 (when theyre rooted and have this specific phone)
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I don't get it either. But to each his own
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Unless you play games you really don't need a new super powerful phone with a 2.5ghz quad core processor and 3gb of ram.
The Galaxy Nexus does an alight job for every day use, i do feel it could be quicker sometimes and wish i had better battery life, but as phone ive used daily for two and a half years i really cant complain too much.

it truly is a great device. It's all thanks to the great Devs working so hard for a device that has been forsaken by Google, itself lol.

InsaneNutter said:
Unless you play games you really don't need a new super powerful phone with a 2.5ghz quad core processor and 3gb of ram.
The Galaxy Nexus does an alight job for every day use, i do feel it could be quicker sometimes and wish i had better battery life, but as phone ive used daily for two and a half years i really cant complain too much.
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GN can run games just fine, problem is app builders don't support it so some great games don't even show up on the play store.
Eg.
Real Racing 3

isajoo said:
GN can run games just fine, problem is app builders don't support it so some great games don't even show up on the play store.
Eg.
Real Racing 3
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That game you mentioned shows up and lets me install on my Galaxy Nexus fine:
I dont really play many demanding games on my phone, the latest i have played is Trials Frontier which has never given me any problems.

InsaneNutter said:
That game you mentioned shows up and lets me install on my Galaxy Nexus fine:
I dont really play many demanding games on my phone, the latest i have played is Trials Frontier which has never given me any problems.
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Why would I need to make it up?
It may just be my ROM that's some how blocking certain games even though the example you gave is compatible with Android 2.3+.
The desktop play store version has always been weird.
Eg.
Electronic arts developer has 37 apps listed on desktop play store where on my GN via play store app there's only 17.
LOL

isajoo said:
Why would I need to make it up?
It may just be my ROM that's some how blocking certain games even though the example you gave is compatible with Android 2.3+.
The desktop play store version has always been weird.
Eg.
Electronic arts developer has 37 apps listed on desktop play store where on my GN via play store app there's only 17.
LOL
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I'm not saying you made it up, i believe you, i was simply showing at least on my Galaxy Nexus i had no problem with the game you mentioned.
Maybe its a regional thing? for example the Trials game i linked to was only out in Finland for a few weeks, then it got released to more countries after that.

Totally agree with the op.. Software wise it still runs great.... And hardware wise I still feel it one of the most beautifully designed phones ever..
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It's a beautiful phone indeed, if you don't use the 2100 mAh battery and the "assy" cover which makes it a little ugly.

Agree.. I have not added any extended batteries for the same reason .. I like it's slim and curvy profile... Just got an oem one as the original had worn out
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My guess is people tend to remember better battery life with JB because their battery was new back then Totally agree with OP, I've been using my GNex for 2 years now and thanks to continued support from developers I'm still excited and try new stuff to this day. I plan to change it in 2015, but as much as my next phone will be so much better in every department, I do have a feeling that I'll miss my good old GNex somehow

This is the most versatile phone I've ever used.
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[Q] Schould i buy a LG G3? Ooooorrr note 3

Hello,
Im really excited about G3 and i want to buy one with my new contract. But i really hate what im reading about the lag/stutters and the heating battery.
So should i buy one or go for the note 3.
I hope you can advice me.

willemhouterman said:
Hello,
Im really excited about G3 and i want to buy one with my new contract. But i really hate what im reading about the lag/stutters and the heating battery.
So should i buy one or go for the note 3.
I hope you can advice me.
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I'm kind of in the same boat. One of my employees got the G3 (I currently have the G2 and love it but I'm cursed bc my brain thinks I always have to have latest awesome sauce phone. ugh) and his battery life has been horrendous. I'm talking half of what the G2 can do. I know that QHD display will chew battery and all but that seems overly ridiculous. In the span of an hour he went from 100% to 82%. I checked his device for every possible thing that could be causing it and found nothing abnormal. His android system usage is at a constant 47%. I went through apps he didn't use and disabled what I could (he's not rooted. Doesn't really know much about android but I converted him with my constant iPhone bashing =D) without Titanium Backup and from what I can tell it just seems like the stock software of the G3 really isn't optimized all that well for performance v battery life. Nowhere near what the G2 accomplished. It's disappointing bc the device looks amazing but if the phone drains that rapidly for seemingly no reason I am going to hold off until they hopefully release a software update to fix the drain. It may very well be he got unlucky and got a lemon battery or it could be LG didn't put a large enough battery in the device (only 200 mAh larger than the G2) to handle that screen. I'm kind of leery of the device now. I am waiting to see more user reviews of the device. A lot of review from tech sites keep saying the battery life is good but not great. I don't consider a device barely making it through an entire work day with limited use good.

BreakingVZW said:
I'm kind of in the same boat. One of my employees got the G3 (I currently have the G2 and love it but I'm cursed bc my brain thinks I always have to have latest awesome sauce phone. ugh) and his battery life has been horrendous. I'm talking half of what the G2 can do. I know that QHD display will chew battery and all but that seems overly ridiculous. In the span of an hour he went from 100% to 82%. I checked his device for every possible thing that could be causing it and found nothing abnormal. His android system usage is at a constant 47%. I went through apps he didn't use and disabled what I could (he's not rooted. Doesn't really know much about android but I converted him with my constant iPhone bashing =D) without Titanium Backup and from what I can tell it just seems like the stock software of the G3 really isn't optimized all that well for performance v battery life. Nowhere near what the G2 accomplished. It's disappointing bc the device looks amazing but if the phone drains that rapidly for seemingly no reason I am going to hold off until they hopefully release a software update to fix the drain. It may very well be he got unlucky and got a lemon battery or it could be LG didn't put a large enough battery in the device (only 200 mAh larger than the G2) to handle that screen. I'm kind of leery of the device now. I am waiting to see more user reviews of the device. A lot of review from tech sites keep saying the battery life is good but not great. I don't consider a device barely making it through an entire work day with limited use good.
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If his android system is using that much battery there's something turned on that shouldn't be. I highly doubt an OEM would go backwards in terms of optimization. Android system could be a number of things like WiFi scanning always on or location reporting on high accuracy.

I have both. Selling my Note 3

joshnichols189 said:
If his android system is using that much battery there's something turned on that shouldn't be. I highly doubt an OEM would go backwards in terms of optimization. Android system could be a number of things like WiFi scanning always on or location reporting on high accuracy.
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Im aware the device shouldnt be throwing those system totals out but it is. Ive checked everything and compared his G3 settings to my G2 (running Optimus G3) and changed literally everything to my setup. Didnt make a difference. Its weird man. Ive never seen system usage like that and then havent be able to find the culprit.

I had a note 3 and the G3 was a big upgrade. Is much better and for me the battery life is better. The UI is much better looking and there is less lg bloat in the system then tw has. My wife's s5 has a baby monitor progress running stock. Who needs this? It's just dumb little things like that that bother me about tw.
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I wouldn't mind the heating or lag, the random shutdown on the other hand is really something to be aware of. Happened twice to me this day...:-\

Battery life is great to me. 15-20hrs of standby with 5.5hrs of screen on time.

Pilz said:
I had a note 3 and the G3 was a big upgrade. Is much better and for me the battery life is better. The UI is much better looking and there is less lg bloat in the system then tw has. My wife's s5 has a baby monitor progress running stock. Who needs this? It's just dumb little things like that that bother me about tw.
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Thnx!
This schould do it for me. I hope LG is coming with a big update before the end of August and fix the lag and battery issues.
Can't wait to get the device
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willemhouterman said:
Thnx!
This schould do it for me. I hope LG is coming with a big update before the end of August and fix the lag and battery issues.
Can't wait to get the device
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I've had the G3 since it was released, get almost 2 days or more battery after disabling a bunch of apps, till they get root for the Sprint variant.
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Just FWIW, you can't judge battery life on an occasional dip in the percentage. The battery meter isn't perfect. You'll find tons of people finding that the percentage sits at 100% for an hour and then drops quickly after that. The battery didn't simply not drain for an hour and then start draining quickly, it's the software trying to approximate. Go from full charge to near dead and see what happens.

I get great battery life. Only issue I have is the camera. Pics just don't seem that great.
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Im used to a iPhone 4 with 5MP so i don't think its going to be worse then the LG G3 camera
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Pixel SD821 is essentially a SD820

Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.

Most customers are checking the chip model? I think not!
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.

+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.

This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?

Most likely both versions of the 821's are just high binned 820's. When they fab chips on a wafer the ones closest to the middle generally can hit higher clocks with lower power. So they probably have been holding back the best ones since the beginning and waiting until the fall to release them as the 821.

dbrohrer said:
Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
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Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.

juliend said:
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.

iceman4357 said:
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.

The user experience is perfect for me. They got the speed and efficiency balance spot on.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.

iceman4357 said:
Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.

All i know is my Pixel user experience is much better than my Note7. Speed feels on a whole different level. And battery seems much better.
But alot of that i think is samsungs junkware. It was always running like 20% cpu just being idle. Where i catch my pixel chillin at 0% alot of times
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juliend said:
Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
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Yeah waterproofing would've been awesome. The SPen is cool but I personally never used it. My finger works just fine and it would take me longer to pull the pen out and I don't do any note taking. I didn't have the note 7 though so I am ignorant on some of the SPen features it had. I really want to get my hands on a Pixel XL and see how Google did first hand. I personally hate Apple as a company and was hoping the Pixel would get some of the ignorant iPhone users to switch to Android. Most will just keep blindly buying Apple though. I think Daydream VR could possibly be flashy enough for them to consider switching though.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????

Xt51 said:
To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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Obviously you meant to say, "To me personally this phone does NOT miss a beat."
Not worried about general performance, I knew that would be fantastic regardless of the SD821 they chose. I mean Google coded the Pixel end to end and regardless of which version of the CPU they decided to use, it was going to run butter no matter what. Just to me, when your battery is already leaving you wonder if you will ever need to charge it again, then 10% performance gain is more valuable to me than 5% battery. To some, that 5% battery might be better if they will never game. For me, I want to put VR games on it that will push it to its limits. I just wish they would've come out with two versions and given the consumer the choice. I really wanted to be first in line for updates, but it's okay I love my phone.
Have any of you tried out Daydream VR yet?

Eh....phone is butter....battery is butter...don't give a hoot about 0.1 of a clock speed difference....don't care about benchmarks...don't care if the phone does happen to jank on a game because more than likely it'll be a poorly coded one. Remember, not all stuttering is because of a phone's specs. Sometimes people just suck at coding.

Trust me that 10% difference will never be noticeable in real life usage.
If you never used a custom ROM that performs better then stock? PureNexus everrytime performs better on the Nexus phones. The developer will also release a Pixel rom, PurePixel?
You can always get that extra performance with a little modding.
No reason not to use the custom rom. More features then stock, performs better in speed, battery life and is updated with security updates.
Only reason I have not bought the Pixel yet is because first thing I will do is unlock bootloader. Install TWRP and custom rom. That's not available yet.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
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Nope
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Blues-n-Blazin said:
Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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Who wants a fast car without gas?
The one the timed his nos boost wins. Check Fast n Furious..