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[Q] Stock 2.3.6 vs Custom ROMs

I bought my Galaxy W and instantly started modding it, currently I'm on Arco's CyanogenMod 9 EOL, I didn't have much experience with the stock ROM you actually get with the phone, Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread with TouchWiz 4 UX.
My question is, is the stock ROM the most stable ROM with the best battery life you can get?
I would like to have some basic info like how smooth it is, the battery life, usability compared to the later CyanogenMod ROMs. I'd like to know whether its actually the best option except being kind of out of date now.
Thank you in advance :good:

Yeti12 said:
I bought my Galaxy W and instantly started modding it, currently I'm on Arco's CyanogenMod 9 EOL, I didn't have much experience with the stock ROM you actually get with the phone, Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread with TouchWiz 4 UX.
My question is, is the stock ROM the most stable ROM with the best battery life you can get?
I would like to have some basic info like how smooth it is, the battery life, usability compared to the later CyanogenMod ROMs. I'd like to know whether its actually the best option except being kind of out of date now.
Thank you in advance :good:
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Actually my battery life and gaming performance is way and way better at custom roms. Im flashed stock rom around 10+ times and after a half day im installed a custom rom
Cheers

IWRH said:
Actually my battery life and gaming performance is way and way better at custom roms. Im flashed stock rom around 10+ times and after a half day im installed a custom rom
Cheers
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From what I know the stock rom is better at keeping the battery use low during standby but i don't know whether that's true

Yeti12 said:
From what I know the stock rom is better at keeping the battery use low during standby but i don't know whether that's true
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I think that's true..
cause some Custom ROM come with some tweaks, some can keep the processor running low during standby. some also have some kind of better ram management.
Also if you want, you also can try some other kernel. cause some can even make longer battery life

switched for a tweaked stock 2.3.6 to a custom ICS and never looked back, the performance is just much better

I would say that my battery lasts longer with a custom rom. On stock sometimes it suddenly went off.
Currently I'm fine with http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2214042. And the camera isn't green.

Roms and tweaks Recommendation?

ive tried variety of roms on my sm p600, from debloated stock LP to full stock rom then debloated myself, then to CM13 then recently couple of the CM14
dont get me wrong the unofficial AOSP/CM roms were awesome but they have little bugs and glitches here and there not found in the stock roms, completely understandable and expected and the teams did a fantastic job, however they also have much worse off battery life and gets hot, much hotter than stock firmware if you use it for prolong period, but the speed and smoothness is unbeatable, whereas stock firmware is just rock solid, little could go wrong and things just work as you expect.
is anyone else tired of switching roms back and forth(and im thankful we have so many choices!), i just want something i can stay for sometime without full wiping every so often and im sure many of you share the same sentiment, i am thinking of switching back to stock, debloat it to hell and then just put on the Prime Kernel and leave it til it dies or whatever, the note 2014 had a very good run with me and should still have lots of life left.
does anyone have combination of roms and tweaks thats got a combination of the advantages of both stock and custom roms?

Custom Rom Performance

Hey guys.
Just want to know your thoughts about ROM performance in terms of smoothness on different roms.
I was a long time user of tylers RR build and it was really fluid.
Now i am back on Imperium since a month (because of camera) and its overall UI performance is worse that RR.
Can you please give me some thoughts about your experience in UI/ROM peformance on Rom/builds?
thx
pOpY

popy2006 said:
Hey guys.
Just want to know your thoughts about ROM performance in terms of smoothness on different roms.
I was a long time user of tylers RR build and it was really fluid.
Now i am back on Imperium since a month (because of camera) and its overall UI performance is worse that RR.
Can you please give me some thoughts about your experience in UI/ROM peformance on Rom/builds?
thx
pOpY
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Well I'm not surprised you experience worse UI performance on Stock based ROMs, overall in my experience the UI performance in AOSP Custom ROMs is way more fluid and smoother, but the performance in apps is slower than in Stock based ROMs. A bit longer load times, less frame rate's but a more stable frame rate in games and a bit less responsive after a long period of use. For me the camera performance and photo and video quality on Stock based ROMs outweighs AOSP ROMs and that keeps me close to Stock. I have used Dualboot Patcher for a while so I could use AOSP ROMs as my primary ROM and and a Stock based ROM as my secondary ROM so I could still enjoy a fluid and smooth UI and the camera performance of Stock when needed. I really dislike the micro stutters I experience on Stock, especially when I'm scrolling. But I dislike my phone getting slow after a long period of usage even more, which forces me to reboot my phone regularly. So because of that I am running a Stock based ROM as my primary ROM for now.

Mr.FREE_Bird said:
Well I'm not surprised you experience worse UI performance on Stock based ROMs, overall in my experience the UI performance in AOSP Custom ROMs is way more fluid and smoother, but the performance in apps is slower than in Stock based ROMs. A bit longer load times, less frame rate's but a more stable frame rate in games and a bit less responsive after a long period of use. For me the camera performance and photo and video quality on Stock based ROMs outweighs AOSP ROMs and that keeps me close to Stock. I have used Dualboot Patcher for a while so I could use AOSP ROMs as my primary ROM and and a Stock based ROM as my secondary ROM so I could still enjoy a fluid and smooth UI and the camera performance of Stock when needed. I really dislike the micro stutters I experience on Stock, especially when I'm scrolling. But I dislike my phone getting slow after a long period of usage even more, which forces me to reboot my phone regularly. So because of that I am running a Stock based ROM as my primary ROM for now.
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thx a lot for your feedback!
Thats a good idea with dualboot patcher, but (for me) not really practical
Your experiences coincide with mine!
In my case i also had thermal issues with AOSP roms -> cpu runs hotter quickly than on stock.
Did you also experienced such a behaviour?
Which AOSP rom do you use?
And which do you think has the best (UI) performance?
thx
pOpY

popy2006 said:
thx a lot for your feedback!
Thats a good idea with dualboot patcher, but (for me) not really practical
Your experiences coincide with mine!
In my case i also had thermal issues with AOSP roms -> cpu runs hotter quickly than on stock.
Did you also experienced such a behaviour?
Which AOSP rom do you use?
And which do you think has the best (UI) performance?
thx
pOpY
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No problem! :good:
Oh, for me the CPU on AOSP ROMs actually ran a bit cooler and heated up less quickly than on Stock. Although my G4 never really runs that hot even on Stock. And I forgot to mention that I get better battery life both in stand by time and average SOT while running a AOSP based Custom ROM.
At the moment I run a Stock based ROM on my G4 but I have used CyanogenMod till it's end and it's successor Lineage OS which it's pretty much the same but under a new name . I've also tried other ROMs but most of them where based on CM and are based on Lineage OS and they pretty much performed more or less the same. So no big differences.

That's why i do not use any more customs roms...
It's on the decline !
I agree with you !
-camera and video quality lost
-lost performance after a long usage
-lost customer patent and innovation
-lost the pure performance on games
-the modem is not as well as exploited as customers firmwares (sometime bad network quality on customs)
-always minors buggs and sometime big buggs
-near all devellopers wait for Lineage source (Lineage spend 1 year to build an android version and it's never "perfect"....and lots of merges,abandon,clean... on their source all the time,it's never stable and finished)
- on RR,DU...etc....you remove design customizations and you see an empty poor rom
-you loose FM radio function and there never have had effort by the dev for to port an alternative like spirit-fm radio (this dev have had big succes with some very difficult phones ,and som LG)
-you have much more chance than stock to have battery drain with some system process (the main cause of stocks firmwares drain is the google apps ! )
Maybe a custom rom is good for low and some middle-end devices (principaly for to have a light rom.....and hardwares are not the best on these devices ) but completely useless for hight-end device like G4...that's my opinion !
I use a MM firmware + simpleGX 2.0.3 kernel and i'm very happy ! Very good...

Loulou-13 said:
That's why i do not use any more customs roms...
It's on the decline !
I agree with you !
-camera and video quality lost
-lost performance after a long usage
-lost customer patent and innovation
-lost the pure performance on games
-the modem is not as well as exploited as customers firmwares (sometime bad network quality on customs)
-always minors buggs and sometime big buggs
-near all devellopers wait for Lineage source (Lineage spend 1 year to build an android version and it's never "perfect"....and lots of merges,abandon,clean... on their source all the time,it's never stable and finished)
- on RR,DU...etc....you remove design customizations and you see an empty poor rom
-you loose FM radio function and there never have had effort by the dev for to port an alternative like spirit-fm radio (this dev have had big succes with some very difficult phones ,and som LG)
-you have much more chance than stock to have battery drain with some system process (the main cause of stocks firmwares drain is the google apps ! )
Maybe a custom rom is good for low and some middle-end devices (principaly for to have a light rom.....and hardwares are not the best on these devices ) but completely useless for hight-end device like G4...that's my opinion !
I use a MM firmware + simpleGX 2.0.3 kernel and i'm very happy ! Very good...
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thx for your input!
Which MM Firmware do you use?
thx

The last MM for my country, v20i "France" ...rooted with simpleGX kernel...

Loulou-13 said:
The last MM for my country, v20i "France" ...rooted with simpleGX kernel...
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Lineage os now is for old phone to revive them [emoji41]
Loulou-13 said:
The last MM for my country, v20i "France" ...rooted with simpleGX kernel...
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Now using Imperium v13 with SimpleGX Kernel, that combo is really good from performance view

is it worth it to install a Custom Rom?

I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?

guitarbite said:
I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?
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MIUI will give u the best fluidity
Battery life are pretty much the same
Antutu is pointless
Most ROMs have everything working
If you're all set you might as well test them, just remember to format data if going from MIUI to custom otherwise it will bootloop

Mackay53 said:
MIUI will give u the best fluidity
Battery life are pretty much the same
Antutu is pointless
Most ROMs have everything working
If you're all set you might as well test them, just remember to format data if going from MIUI to custom otherwise it will bootloop
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Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months

guitarbite said:
Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months
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I keep going back to MIUI, ABC rom seems to be the most stable for me but after a couple days system UI begins to crash.

Mackay53 said:
I keep going back to MIUI, ABC rom seems to be the most stable for me but after a couple days system UI begins to crash.
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I think I agree with you there.... Why move if you aren't going to improve

guitarbite said:
Coming from Zuk. Z2 I'm not a newb to flashing but I haven't heard anything but issues on most ROMs I've looked at... Newer phone so makes sense but I wanted to more establish if there was stability and which ones are in fact more stable...
However if MIUI is the most fluid... Might Stick on that for another few months
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That's been the normal state of custom ROMs on the last few phones I've owned including the supposedly development friendly One Plus 5. I think the problem is that custom ROMs are rarely maintained by people who actually use the ROM and device as their daily driver. You can't make a good ROM for a phone you aren't even using so the ROMs always have bugs that the devs aren't aware of until users report them. There was only one One Plus 5 ROM that didn't have bugs and it was also the only custom ROM by a developer who actually used the phone everyday. One of the ROM devs for this phone even admitted that he wouldn't consider using his own ROM on his primary phone which pretty much says it all.

guitarbite said:
I rooted my phone and installed TWRP however looking at the custom ROMs , I don't know if it is a good idea at this point to install one. What are your recommendations especially in regards to fluidity, battery life, antutu scores, daily usage and everything working?
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I have been using LineageOS Unofficial for a couple of months, and now the official for over a month. Everything just works. Things are smooth, and works real nice without any of the wonkiness I had with MIUI. I always struggled a bit to make MIUI work like I wanted. Then again, I greatly appreciate a stock-ish experience. I am even running Substratum.

alose said:
I have been using LineageOS Unofficial for a couple of months, and now the official for over a month. Everything just works. Things are smooth, and works real nice without any of the wonkiness I had with MIUI. I always struggled a bit to make MIUI work like I wanted. Then again, I greatly appreciate a stock-ish experience. I am even running Substratum.
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100% agree

Question why do custom roms improve more performance? why are some original roms so bad?

I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it

If we talk about MIUI here it's full of bloat and far from AOSP (stock Android) and I think the focus is features, over performance.

theoneofgod said:
If we talk about MIUI here it's full of bloat and far from AOSP (stock Android) and I think the focus is features, over performance.
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They also clearly copy some UI Design from iOS
which is not bad... It looks good.
But my biggest problem with MIUI is that, it breaks standard Android features.
Like broken Gestures on 3rd-Party Launchers.
Or the MIUI Permission-system breaking apps like Instagram.
or MIUI's battery optimisation being too extreme...
I don't hate MIUI, but it's 很胖 (very fat)

Custom ROMs are not bad per se, but they are made for ppl who want their phone to run without gving it too much thought. MIUI is not the worst Stock ROM imho, but clearly made for John D. Noob.
If you debloat MIUI, you can get along with it if you don't need to much customization.
Btw, battery is usually best on stock ROMS in my experience.
But if you want real control over your phone, or need features that the manufacturer doesn't want you to have, you deffo need a custom ROM.
Also, you need to take into account that a manufacturer doesn't earn a penny for giving out updates and patches, so they tend to keep their fuzz to a minimum.

I usually move away from a stock rom as updates are slow to arrive.
When i was looking for a upgrade for my LG G7, i settled for the F3 because it was Very good value for money, was easy to unlock and had great Dev support on XDA.
For me the other downside of a MIUI stock rom apart from the bloat ware and slow updates, was not being able to use my Samsung Smartwatch as a trusted device, as Miui Stock would only permit Xiaomi devices.
Switching to the Evo-X rom, gave me back all the functionality I needed and is fast enough for me.

tanukitanuki said:
I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it
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custom roms, nah
custom modifications, yes
you can reach same or more performance on stock, if you just modify it
most or all custom roms are modified by the rom dev ofcourse, that is why its got better performance than stock

tanukitanuki said:
I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it
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Stock roms add much more functionality, then become bigger and slower
Customs roms are mostly based on AOSP, which is pure android. Less functionality = Lighter and faster rom
And for customs roms like Xiaomi.EU, well they simply edit some parts of the rom, adds fixes and remove some useless stuff, which again make the OS lightweight and faster
of course, that's more complicated in fact, and lighter rom doesnt mean faster, you can make a very heavy system work very fast with optimization. 'Optimization', you see, a word that most of roms dev like Xiaomi doesnt know about

MacTavishFR said:
Stock roms add much more functionality, then become bigger and slower
Customs roms are mostly based on AOSP, which is pure android. Less functionality = Lighter and faster rom
And for customs roms like Xiaomi.EU, well they simply edit some parts of the rom, adds fixes and remove some useless stuff, which again make the OS lightweight and faster
of course, that's more complicated in fact, and lighter rom doesnt mean faster, you can make a very heavy system work very fast with optimization. 'Optimization', you see, a word that most of roms dev like Xiaomi doesnt know about
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dont go around dissing devs without knowing anything about them
pretty sure devs hired by big companies like xiaomi would know about optimizations better than any custom rom dev
when custom rom devs start making bug free roms, go around dissing stock devs as you like

If you have a sub-flagship or flagship device it doesn't matter if that's a Xiaomi or not changing your rom into custom rom is kinda useless, because the stock rom is good enough and more stable(not 100% stable) and if you longing for more performance for flashing an AOSP base rom it's kinda useless base on my experience because it only increases like 1-2% in pure stock no modifications especially in Poco F3.
For me AOSP roms are only good for midrange and lowend devices, i have spare phone here it's RN8 and i changed my rom from MIUI to AOSP and the difference is night and day my mind is blown to the ram management.

From the first day i was in ArrowOS because Miui roms was a little poor in performance, not so much fast like AOSP roms, but one day i tried one of the last stable Miui EU roms and i was impressed how good became, sound and haptics it's just much better than AOSP, autobrightness works as intended, camera it's better that Gcam and SOT it's (in my use, the same).
So i'm with the last comment, in Poco F3 i think the last MIUI EU for example isn't bad, phone runs well and all works. Just tried the last Stable MIUI 13 and now the MIUI 14 EU beta build and i think it's a little more smooth than previous build.
I think any phone with A13 will run smoother than A12.1 builds, in my old Mi A1 just noticed that (and it's too old).

Wmbruckner said:
Also, you need to take into account that a manufacturer doesn't earn a penny for giving out updates and patches, so they tend to keep their fuzz to a minimum.
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Nah, dude.
They took money in advance for that. On the other hand, people buy pixel devices because they have updates guaranteed.
They do earn money from it indirectly. A lot. Otherwise it wouldn't have been a thing.