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Figures; just 2 nights after buying my GN, i managed to shatter the screen.
The sad part is I don't even remember it happening. WAY TOO MUCH GIN LAST NIGHT. Anyway, It looks like i dropped it face down, or tweaked the phone. Idk.
I took my case off so that it would be easier to get the phone in and out of my pocket. Bad move.
Has anyone else pulled a smooth move and done this as well yet? I have a feeling the screen of the GN is going to be easy to break.
I had a similar story with my Droid Charge. Don't remember explicitly what happened and then the next thing I know the screen was broken...
I bought the GN and got insurance this time. Expensive lesson to learn... =(
Samsung really f'ed up on this phone. It feels so incredibly fragile like i'd be worried to squeeze it too hard or it'll break or something... so much flimsy plastic crap. especially the battery cover, what the hell is that!?...
i guess we're going to need to put some heavy duty cases/screen protectors on this phone.
trying to see if i can claim through warranty before i go through insurance.
if i only had the case on...
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Samsung really f'ed up on this phone. It feels so incredibly fragile like i'd be worried to squeeze it too hard or it'll break or something... so much flimsy plastic crap. especially the battery cover, what the hell is that!?...
i guess we're going to need to put some heavy duty cases/screen protectors on this phone.
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Do me a favor and squeeze your phone right now... there is no way your going to break it. And I personally enjoy the back. If they had used another back the phone would be thicker. As far as the screen is concerned, go with zagg.
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Yup o fumbled it this morning. Bounced around a few times but luckily it only managed to scuff the bottom by the USB port. Not too bad but I never drop my phones.
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Honestly, I'm gonna have to agree.
GN seems pretty damn fragile at this point.
Being young, I've dropped many phones. My last phone, a BB Storm2 (I know, I know), just got dropped face down last week. Maximum result of damage? The corner of the screen chipped a tiny bit.
With how exposed the GN screen is, and even because it's curved...
Reiterating again, I will definitely be investing in cases for this phone. Anyone have experience with cases that come in and out of jeans pockets easily?
I would imagine if it was face down and pressed on it would easily crack.
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voxigenboy said:
Samsung really f'ed up on this phone. It feels so incredibly fragile like i'd be worried to squeeze it too hard or it'll break or something... so much flimsy plastic crap. especially the battery cover, what the hell is that!?...
i guess we're going to need to put some heavy duty cases/screen protectors on this phone.
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No they didn't. Ant phone can break if its dropped just right. The only thing you can do is be as smart and careful as possible and have insurance.
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voxigenboy said:
Samsung really f'ed up on this phone. It feels so incredibly fragile like i'd be worried to squeeze it too hard or it'll break or something... so much flimsy plastic crap. especially the battery cover, what the hell is that!?...
i guess we're going to need to put some heavy duty cases/screen protectors on this phone.
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Lol gimme a break. You can do that damage to any phone on the market today without much trouble.
You mad Bro?
JK
I used to be a awesome phone, but then I took an arrow to the screen.
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No they didn't. Ant phone can break if its dropped just right. The only thing you can do is be as smart and careful as possible and have insurance.
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I can't agree anymore. Any phone can break if it is dropped just right.
I dropped it while hopping a wall earlier, not a scratch. It landed on the screen, but the contoured display worked.
simple fix.
dont drop the phone. I dropped my droid 1 like once and never dropped my TB. wont drop this one either.
voxigenboy said:
Samsung really f'ed up on this phone. It feels so incredibly fragile like i'd be worried to squeeze it too hard or it'll break or something... so much flimsy plastic crap. especially the battery cover, what the hell is that!?...
i guess we're going to need to put some heavy duty cases/screen protectors on this phone.
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Sorry, accidentally clicked thanks.
But what I was saying. I agree on the battery cover. As far as build quality, of the three phones I own (don't like selling them), the droid 1 feels like the most solidly built. It also feels the heaviest due to the keyboard. As far as the screen, it's glass. Glass breaks or shatters. If you want a screen that doesn't break, get a plastic screen or we could have thicker glass. I agree with the others on how it's dropped. I've dropped my Incredible a few times on pavement, even face down. The only thing that saved it was the lips on the case. The curved glass may contribute. Screen protectors will not really absorb the impact to prevent shattering or breakage.
Bulletproof glass on phones? Lol.
It doesn't feel much cheaper to me though I don't like the battery cover but it probably is related to being thinner than say HTC.
Damn!! I cry for you !! Good luck getting it repaired or replaced through samsung. I dropped my gnex waist down on a hardtop carpet, and surprisingly no scuffs or anything..
48 hours later, and I've got a chip in my glass! I had a ring thrown at me, I was sitting on a couch and my Nexus was face up on the couch itself but half covered by my shirt. The ring just happened to land on it and bounce off. Tiny chip, but I'm so frustrated with myself about it! I dropped my Desire a few times on concrete and all that happened was small dents, now the tiniest little ring knocks it and there you go. Annoyed that I didn't have it facing down, or in my pocket! I hate screen protectors, I prefer pouch cases so I can just put it in there as much as possible.
Going to go to the store I got it from tomorrow and hope to swap it for a brand new one... Wish me luck.
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Honestly, I'm gonna have to agree.
GN seems pretty damn fragile at this point.
Being young, I've dropped many phones. My last phone, a BB Storm2 (I know, I know), just got dropped face down last week. Maximum result of damage? The corner of the screen chipped a tiny bit.
With how exposed the GN screen is, and even because it's curved...
Reiterating again, I will definitely be investing in cases for this phone. Anyone have experience with cases that come in and out of jeans pockets easily?
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So let me get this straight.....you go get drunk, damage your phone, and don't even know what you did to damage it, and it's Samsung's fault because the phone seems fragile?! You don't even know what you did to it. For all you know, you might have pretended to be scoring a touchdown and spiked the phone down to the ground. I don't see how this has anything to do with the phone being fragile as much as it has to do with you not being able to care for your things.
So you got too drunk and broke your expensive new phone, what's the point of making a thread about it?
Try drinking less next weekend, when you lose control of your limbs and start breaking things that your body telling you something.
This bad boy is popular in the UK for avoiding incidents like the OP's...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/30746/tesco-mobile-vx1i-surprise-hit
I just want to know how you guys without screen protectors or cases feel about putting the phone face down when listening to music or something...
Are you afraid of scratches?
Guess it depends on the table/surface, but I'd never like to make a practice of it. I guess at worse it's scratching the top/bottom and not the middle, but more than likely it's going to scratch the plastic bezel on the top/bottom which looks terrible when it happens.
I just leave it back-down so I don't risk it.
I've only had mine for about two weeks but yes I'm not comfortable putting it face down unless it's on a smooth surface like my bed or bag or something like that.
People who are worried about scratches won't leave the phone naked in the first place.
My friend never puts any protector or case on his phones and his argument is 'it's just a phone, not my girlfriend. Why protect it so well when I'm gonna toss it away for a new one in about 1.5 years?'
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People who are worried about scratches won't leave the phone naked in the first place.
My friend never puts any protector or case on his phones and his argument is 'it's just a phone, not my girlfriend. Why protect it so well when I'm gonna toss it away for a new one in about 1.5 years?'
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That's not necessarily true. Sure it might be from some people but not for me and I'm sure others as well. I care a lot about my products but I just love the way my GNex feels and looks without any cases and screen protectors. I guess I'm taking a risk by not protecting it but for the time being I'm going to enjoy it the way it is.
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Why protect it so well when I'm gonna toss it away for a new one in about 1.5 years?
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Resale value of unlocked phones. If I smash my gnex, so be it. But I like to put a screen protector, and one of those 3m decals a-la gelaskin or decalgirl, etc... so that way my keys or change or table scratch that instead.
mongoro said:
Resale value of unlocked phones. If I smash my gnex, so be it. But I like to put a screen protector, and one of those 3m decals a-la gelaskin or decalgirl, etc... so that way my keys or change or table scratch that instead.
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I don't get why people don't put their phone in a separate pocket to avoid scratches from change, keys etc
Just dun put keys n ur phone in da same pocket ..
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That's not necessarily true. Sure it might be from some people but not for me and I'm sure others as well. I care a lot about my products but I just love the way my GNex feels and looks without any cases and screen protectors. I guess I'm taking a risk by not protecting it but for the time being I'm going to enjoy it the way it is.
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I guess you will eventually pick a side - either throws on a case/protector or just use it normally and forget about scratches. It's hard to be using something everyday and worrying about it all the time.
mongoro said:
Resale value of unlocked phones. If I smash my gnex, so be it. But I like to put a screen protector, and one of those 3m decals a-la gelaskin or decalgirl, etc... so that way my keys or change or table scratch that instead.
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If you are thinking about reselling the phone then yes, it makes sense to protect it well. For him, he either took it apart or tossed it away LOL.
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Not really... I hate the feel of cases and screen protectors especially, so I'm extra careful with my phone because it's not protected.
I put mine facedown down on a supposedly smooth table and when i picked it up, scratches! Be safe just don't put it face down on anything but a soft surface - as suggested above. It is just a phone, but it is a very nice and expensive phone!
I can't stand those skins and screen protectors, takes away from the natural beauty of the phone. I have a SPG leather case so if it is face down, and it really never is I put it face down on the case.
I do take extra care of mt phones though because I like to switch up about every year. It is great for resale, plus more cash for towards the next phone.
Glass is hard, but not that hard. There are a ton of substances that can easily scratch it. I don't put it face down unless it's in a case.
Ask yourself, what would Moh do?
mudferret said:
Ask yourself, what would Moh do?
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Nerd alert.
martonikaj said:
Nerd alert.
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Word.
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on my bed i put it face down on my fur blanket...and in my pocket its on its own with nothing else....i slide the phone in my pocket with my palm facing the screen, and when its in my pocket, i flip the screen to face my leg! zero scratches (so far) and ive had it for a few months
Why should I put the phone face down to start with? I can't show off my rainbow LED notifications if that's the case
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We would put our phone face down to increase volume when listening to music?
I decided to put a protector on mine. While I like the look and feel of the screen better without it, it just isn't worth the risk to me. I plan on having this phone for a while. (I had my DroidX for almost two years prior to getting the Galaxy Nexus).
Besides, it is rarely your car keys that scratch the screen (because we are generally careful about those). More often than not it is something really small like a piece of sand or a tiny rock in your pocket or on the table that will get you. Unless you blow out your pockets and sweep the table before you put your phone down, you are likely to get a scratch eventually.
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I decided to put a protector on mine. While I like the look and feel of the screen better without it, it just isn't worth the risk to me. I plan on having this phone for a while. (I had my DroidX for almost two years prior to getting the Galaxy Nexus).
Besides, it is rarely your car keys that scratch the screen (because we are generally careful about those). More often than not it is something really small like a piece of sand or a tiny rock in your pocket or on the table that will get you. Unless you blow out your pockets and sweep the table before you put your phone down, you are likely to get a scratch eventually.
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I always take the inside of my pocket out and brush off lint, or whatever in there! I just cleaned my screen with a lint free cloth and put it under a light to verify no scratches...and I found zero! Not even a lint scratch! Phew! Lol
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Ok, I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S III 12 days ago. I have had may phones and NEVER had any physical damage. I dropped it from about 2 ft. The phone landed flat on its back and the phone is DESTROYED! The glass shattered in the top left and bottom right corners and there is cracks from corner to corner. The actual screen doesn't display, the back light is broken and even the Bluetooth module is acting up (now cuts in and out). I feel like the phone should have survived the fall and upon quick searches am finding lots of ppl with screen cracking easily. I called sprint and Samsung and neither would assist. I mentioned all of the reports online and they acted like they never heard of any issues. There are reports of others sliding out of their pockets while laying on the ground(looking under car) and falling a few inches and shattering. So I want to attempt to round the guys up on this one- anyone who is having issues with the SGS3 screen cracking or overall weak please post their experience here. Mine did not even have any scratches from the fall or signs of physical damage. After I talked to sprint and samsung the phone took some additional "falls" but I am posting a pic. The upper left and bottom right spiderwebs are the original damage.
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yousefak said:
Seems to be just a problem with the blue one. If you bought it 12 days ago, you could try some solution to make the screen look non-cracked (is it even possible?). Then you can bring it in for a return.
Unethical? Maybe. Illegal? Actually, I'm not sure. As long as you dont get caught...
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Ha yea i already claimed insurance on it, cant go 2 days w/o a phone ya no...
I dropped my phone one time. I hope I never do it again and feel sorry for anyone who does do it.
Gorilla GLASS. Its not shatter proof. Its scratch resistant. Think about how thin the phone is? How the screen goes right to the bezel? How the glass is curved? The phone itself doesn't offer much protection between ground and glass when dropped.
Drop a glass cup from 2 feet, sometimes you'll get lucky and it not break or crack but chances are it'll crack or shatter.
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I had my phone in my lap and dropped the phone when I got out of the car onto the concrete floor.i almost had a heart attack. But to my surprise it did not break. I have a TPU case protecting it. Guess I was lucky this time.
I know this might sound harsh but its probably what most people are thinking...... put a case on it. Its an investment and you should always protect your investments
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I have a blue one and I dropped it onto asphalt from 3-4 feet and not one crack or ding. Incipio case and a screen protector saved the day.
stop lying and the steps to phone ownership
first, i'm sorry your phone is broken. you will have to get a new one thru insurance unless god is on your side.
second.. do you think we're *******s? Look at that screen. 2 feet you said? did you drop it on to diamonds?
2 feet and my phone exploded is cute but try 1....4 feet and my phone broke and then i got mad and threw it 50 feet.
that story wont work. youre better off being good on the phone and hoping htey hook it up than tryign to tell them that something is wrong with yoru galaxy and it explodes when dropped.
buying and owning a phone:
1. choose, buy, pay for, acquire phone.
2. open box and remove from packaging.
3. PUT A NICE ASS SCREEN PROTECTOR (roughly invisishield quality) ON PHONE
4. PUT A ****ING CASE ON IT
5. havinjg done the most obvious things to do, consider putting money in a green mutual fund.
that nice screen protector is so key. someting a few mils thick to not only prevent scratches but absorb impact.
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Ok, I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S III 12 days ago. I have had may phones and NEVER had any physical damage. I dropped it from about 2 ft. The phone landed flat on its back and the phone is DESTROYED! The glass shattered in the top left and bottom right corners and there is cracks from corner to corner. The actual screen doesn't display, the back light is broken and even the Bluetooth module is acting up (now cuts in and out). I feel like the phone should have survived the fall and upon quick searches am finding lots of ppl with screen cracking easily. I called sprint and Samsung and neither would assist. I mentioned all of the reports online and they acted like they never heard of any issues. There are reports of others sliding out of their pockets while laying on the ground(looking under car) and falling a few inches and shattering. So I want to attempt to round the guys up on this one- anyone who is having issues with the SGS3 screen cracking or overall weak please post their experience here. Mine did not even have any scratches from the fall or signs of physical damage. After I talked to sprint and samsung the phone took some additional "falls" but I am posting a pic. The upper left and bottom right spiderwebs are the original damage.
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I don't care what anyone says, but Gorilla glass 2 is not scratch resistant.
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I don't care what anyone says, but Gorilla glass 2 is not scratch resistant.
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From light scratches yes. But not if you take keys or something similar and scratch it like your cutting a steak.
Thing about glass you have to have something harder then the glass to scratch it. Hence why diamonds scratch just about anything.
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ceissman said:
first, i'm sorry your phone is broken. you will have to get a new one thru insurance unless god is on your side.
second.. do you think we're *******s? Look at that screen. 2 feet you said? did you drop it on to diamonds?
2 feet and my phone exploded is cute but try 1....4 feet and my phone broke and then i got mad and threw it 50 feet.
that story wont work. youre better off being good on the phone and hoping htey hook it up than tryign to tell them that something is wrong with yoru galaxy and it explodes when dropped.
buying and owning a phone:
1. choose, buy, pay for, acquire phone.
2. open box and remove from packaging.
3. PUT A NICE ASS SCREEN PROTECTOR (roughly invisishield quality) ON PHONE
4. PUT A ****ING CASE ON IT
5. havinjg done the most obvious things to do, consider putting money in a green mutual fund.
that nice screen protector is so key. someting a few mils thick to not only prevent scratches but absorb impact.
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ok douchwad- do you think this is my first phone ever? Do you think im 12 y. o.? I have many phones- never have i seen the entire phone get destroyed when it lands flat on its back in the grass. I feel like there is possibly a manufacturing issue since a quick google search yeilds several ppl saying close to the same thing. You can believe that I chucked my phone across the room or that I spiked it on concrete or whatever. Bottom line I dont need to hear from a**bags that want to doubt what happened or explain that glass cracks. I want to hear from others that have had similar issues.
I feel like if a small fall is going to destroy a phone there should at least be a scratch on the surface that if fell on. I could understand a cracked screen but damage to this extent is a bit excessive for a fall in grass! There are reports of others screens getting cracked by pushing the power button! So if you want to call me a liar or whatever then please just keep it to yourself and move to the next forum.
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I know this might sound harsh but its probably what most people are thinking...... put a case on it. Its an investment and you should always protect your investments
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Im sorry but did I say i did NOT have a case? I wish you people would only comment when you actually have something to offer.....
ceissman said:
first, i'm sorry your phone is broken. you will have to get a new one thru insurance unless god is on your side.
second.. do you think we're *******s? Look at that screen. 2 feet you said? did you drop it on to diamonds?
2 feet and my phone exploded is cute but try 1....4 feet and my phone broke and then i got mad and threw it 50 feet.
that story wont work. youre better off being good on the phone and hoping htey hook it up than tryign to tell them that something is wrong with yoru galaxy and it explodes when dropped.
buying and owning a phone:
1. choose, buy, pay for, acquire phone.
2. open box and remove from packaging.
3. PUT A NICE ASS SCREEN PROTECTOR (roughly invisishield quality) ON PHONE
4. PUT A ****ING CASE ON IT
5. havinjg done the most obvious things to do, consider putting money in a green mutual fund.
that nice screen protector is so key. someting a few mils thick to not only prevent scratches but absorb impact.
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Who said explodes?
4g4me said:
ok douchwad- do you think this is my first phone ever? Do you think im 12 y. o.? I have many phones- never have i seen the entire phone get destroyed when it lands flat on its back in the grass. I feel like there is possibly a manufacturing issue since a quick google search yeilds several ppl saying close to the same thing. You can believe that I chucked my phone across the room or that I spiked it on concrete or whatever. Bottom line I dont need to hear from a**bags that want to doubt what happened or explain that glass cracks. I want to hear from others that have had similar issues.
I feel like if a small fall is going to destroy a phone there should at least be a scratch on the surface that if fell on. I could understand a cracked screen but damage to this extent is a bit excessive for a fall in grass! There are reports of others screens getting cracked by pushing the power button! So if you want to call me a liar or whatever then please just keep it to yourself and move to the next forum.
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when you use worlds like "douchwad" [sic]--yes I do think you're 12
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I don't care what anyone says, but Gorilla glass 2 is not scratch resistant.
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Agreed. Original Gorilla Glass was a much better product. Last phone was a year old. No case or screen protector, always in a pocket with keys and change, my clumsy ass dropped it all the time. It never had a scratch, the bezel was basically destroyed from dropping though. It finally met its match when it found the corner of a poured concrete step.
My first day with this phone it got a deep scratch in my pocket. Back to a case and screen protector... At least the black and white ballistic case looks awesome.
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when you use worlds like "douchwad" [sic]--yes I do think you're 12
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Come on give him some credit. He used "a**bags" so he must obviously be13
People can complain all they want about gorilla glass but it's still glass and should be treated as such. Maybe some King Kong glass is what people need.
If I understand correctly (and it is possible that I do not) you dropped a phone, that was in a case, two feet into the grass and this is the damage that occurred?
No offense but you are asking people to suspend disbelief to a rather illogical level.
There's no way u could of gotten the scratches on the back of the phone with a case on it my friend..... I call BS
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There's no way u could of gotten the scratches on the back of the phone with a case on it my friend..... I call BS
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Unless the case is a poorly manufactured one and scratches the phone.
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Welp ... Fast forward 5 days, and I caught it in direct sunlight and this phone is just riddled with light scratches, you have to hold the phone just right and have the perfect lighting to see. But they're definitely there. Especially the curved edges for the phone goes from flat to curved, almost as if right before the glass curves down the glass is right up just a fraction of a mm ...
I apologize to anyone I doubted!
I coddle this phone like an egg ... and still scratches .... The places I have scratches are the bottom back center (looks like a popular place if you search Note 7 scratches) and the bottom left corner of the front down by the capacitive button.
Both "patches" of scratches looks like they were rubbed off something rough, the scratches aren't deep, but you can still feel them with your nail ever so slightly and in the light the patches look dull compared to the rest of the phone. I'd bet they'd probably buff out, but I'm not gonna bother trying at least with this phone.
Never dropped, always in my pocket by itself, never slide it across the table or my desk or anything. I usually set it on something on my desk like a piece of paper and then slide the piece of paper around instead of the phone, so the back doesnt rub off anything, the paper eats the friction and not the phone.
Sad ... for sure, But luckily I have a replacement that just came in this morning sitting at home that i haven't opened yet, I think before I even set it up or anything I will protect it front and back ... damn shame, I had so much faith in this phones durability and didn't want to believe it was so scratch prone, but I was wrong.
Looks like Cases and Protectors from here on out!
I advise everyone who cares about their phone to do the same.
I'll slap some pictures up of my scratches as soon as I can get some taken.
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Since the day or so after the initial recall I decided for once in my life I'll throw caution to the wind and take the plunge of no case or screen protector on my phone, It made me a little sick to my stomach to peel off the screen protector and case and take off for a busy day of work and school with nothing protecting my phone from damage. I figured I'd see a plethora of scratches by the end of the day, and I was able to try this test out because of the recall and Samsung promising to take the phone back regardless of the condition. To my surprise, nothing, not a single scratch, day 2, same and so on.
Fast forward a few weeks, recall phone is traded - STILL IN PERFECT CONDITION, not a screen protector or case has touched it in weeks. Granted I still coddled it, but no different than I would any phone I've had, and I treated the phone like it had a Screen Protector and case on it. Threw it in my pocket, laid it on my desk at work, sat it in my center console in my truck etc. Not a single scratch or dent.
Trade the phone in on Sept 21st and got my new "Safe" Note7, decided that I finally felt comfortable with going "Naked" on my phone after the recall device and have since, so about another week with my "Safe" device and still not a single mark or scratch to be found. I'm actually in the process of getting a replacement for my replacement through Samsung, nothing major, just a lack of quality control on Samsung's part that I have an issue with with this replacement device and Samsung is giving me no hassle about it. I assume my phone suffered from the rush of trying to fix the recall ... but who knows.
Anyways, I will continue going "naked" on this phone, I have no reason not to. And a screen protector just destroys the feeling of this beautiful phones feel and functionality, and really so does a case. i own the LED Wallet case which I love and plan to use here and there, and I probably own around 20 other various cases that I'm sure I will use for fun here and there, But for the most part I've felt the "Naked" feeling and there's no going back lol.
Point of this thread is, I'm not sure how people that are complaining about this phone being "easily scratched" are treating their phones, or if they maybe got defective glass or something. I haven't had a single problem, and when i say I'm anal about my phones it's an understatement, and I feel 100% confident in using this phone protection-free on a daily basis. Obviously you still have to take care of this phone and be extremely careful .... it's made of glass after all. And I cant endorse its drop capabilities lol, That i have no idea of, and hope i never do. But for anyone wondering how this phone holds up with no protection and a pretty active daily use ... so far with my Note7 ... perfectly fine, still looks like the day I opened it.
What issues did you have with your replacement that has caused them to replace the replacement?
This is an interesting test to run - i still have my original one, and the replacement, because Samsung decided the closest drop-off location for me is about 3.5-4 hours away without traffic... I'll be waiting until they call and give me another method to return it. Think I might carry it around and see how it holds up... would be an interesting test, as I'm pretty hard on my devices.
really good to hear your note 7 not scratching easily, I think most ef the people posting geting scratches out of the blue, were careless, honestly not remembering what could have probably scratched their phone, it just takes 2 or 3 people reporting the same thing to drive many others real paranoid, I got my note7 on 29th Aug, and not a single scratch, I treat my phone as any other one, if you spend a sizeable ammount of money, the best way to do is use common sense, and normal level of care
I've never used a screen protector on my original and now replacement Note and all is fine. Now I definitely use a case cause i find this phone too slippery without one... I do take caution, always put it down/away if distracted with something else and never place it in my pocket with anything else like your supposed to.
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asaqwert said:
What issues did you have with your replacement that has caused them to replace the replacement?
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The metal bezel on the left hand side of the phone is sharp, like almost razor-blade sharp. You cant see if from looking at it, but you can scrap your hand off it and it feels sharp and uncomfortable to hold. and the corners of the phone where the back glass meet the metal is also sharp on all 4 corners, the right side of the phone is smooth as silk though. very weird, but almost seems like it was clued together fast and off centered and shipped out to meet demand. $900 for a phone i HAS to be as perfect as possible, but this one wasn't forgivable.
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really good to hear your note 7 not scratching easily, I think most ef the people posting geting scratches out of the blue, were careless, honestly not remembering what could have probably scratched their phone, it just takes 2 or 3 people reporting the same thing to drive many others real paranoid, I got my note7 on 29th Aug, and not a single scratch, I treat my phone as any other one, if you spend a sizeable ammount of money, the best way to do is use common sense, and normal level of care
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Yep, just be careful, life happens and that's not up to you, but if you're careful and conscious of your phone on you you should be alright, my wife is horrible about that, I drive a beefed up semi-lifted truck and EVERY time she goes anywhere with me, she places her phone on her lap and then hops out of my truck forgetting the phone was sitting on her lap. Drives me nuts. Her Note 4 has seen some shxt in its day, but still looks good and functions perfect, she wants to upgrade to a Note 7 which i hope she does, but shes gonna have to start paying more attention, because one of those falls out of my truck is going to destroy a Note 7 lol. Clumsiness for the most part can be prevented, just being aware, my phone is the most expensive thing I carry on me, so I always make sure its protected, and to be honest I've seen people smash phones wrapped in tempered glass screen protectors and otter-boxes, stuff happens, but I do my best to avoid it.
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I've never used a screen protector on my original and now replacement Note and all is fine. Now I definitely use a case cause i find this phone too slippery without one... I do take caution, always put it down/away if distracted with something else and never place it in my pocket with anything else like your supposed to.
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Oh this phone naked is like holding a wet bar of soap, its horribly slippery, But I guess that's the price you pay for a beautiful glass device lol I enjoy the way the glass looks and feels, but I do fear the slipperiness of it, so for me again anytime I pull mine out of my pocket I always ensure my grip is on point, anytime I feel the need to "whip" my phone out really fast I take a breath and realize that i don't actually need to lol, and when I hold the phone, i comfortably hold it with my pinkie finger under it so the phone rests on my finger. Bottom line ... take care of your stuff and be mindful and you should be alright, people treat phones like crap then complain that it cant take a beating ... drives me nuts ... its glass. Treat it like a $900 piece of glass lol.
Welp ... Fast forward 5 days, and I caught it in direct sunlight and this phone is just riddled with light scratches, you have to hold the phone just right and have the perfect lighting to see. But they're definitely there. Especially the curved edges for the phone goes from flat to curved, almost as if right before the glass curves down the glass is right up just a fraction of a mm ...
I apologize to anyone I doubted!
I coddle this phone like an egg ... and still scratches .... The places I have scratches are the bottom back center (looks like a popular place if you search Note 7 scratches) and the bottom left corner of the front down by the capacitive button.
Both "patches" of scratches looks like they were rubbed off something rough, the scratches aren't deep, but you can still feel them with your nail ever so slightly and in the light the patches look dull compared to the rest of the phone. I'd bet they'd probably buff out, but I'm not gonna bother trying at least with this phone.
Never dropped, always in my pocket by itself, never slide it across the table or my desk or anything. I usually set it on something on my desk like a piece of paper and then slide the piece of paper around instead of the phone, so the back doesnt rub off anything, the paper eats the friction and not the phone.
Sad ... for sure, But luckily I have a replacement that just came in this morning sitting at home that i haven't opened yet, I think before I even set it up or anything I will protect it front and back ... damn shame, I had so much faith in this phones durability and didn't want to believe it was so scratch prone, but I was wrong.
Looks like Cases and Protectors from here on out!
I advise everyone who cares about their phone to do the same.
I'll slap some pictures up of my scratches as soon as I can get some taken.
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Welp ... Fast forward 5 days, and I caught it in direct sunlight and this phone is just riddled with light scratches, you have to hold the phone just right and have the perfect lighting to see. But they're definitely there. Especially the curved edges for the phone goes from flat to curved, almost as if right before the glass curves down the glass is right up just a fraction of a mm ...
I apologize to anyone I doubted!
I coddle this phone like an egg ... and still scratches .... The places I have scratches are the bottom back center (looks like a popular place if you search Note 7 scratches) and the bottom left corner of the front down by the capacitive button.
Both "patches" of scratches looks like they were rubbed off something rough, the scratches aren't deep, but you can still feel them with your nail ever so slightly and in the light the patches look dull compared to the rest of the phone. I'd bet they'd probably buff out, but I'm not gonna bother trying at least with this phone.
Never dropped, always in my pocket by itself, never slide it across the table or my desk or anything. I usually set it on something on my desk like a piece of paper and then slide the piece of paper around instead of the phone, so the back doesnt rub off anything, the paper eats the friction and not the phone.
Sad ... for sure, But luckily I have a replacement that just came in this morning sitting at home that i haven't opened yet, I think before I even set it up or anything I will protect it front and back ... damn shame, I had so much faith in this phones durability and didn't want to believe it was so scratch prone, but I was wrong.
Looks like Cases and Protectors from here on out!
I advise everyone who cares about their phone to do the same.
I'll slap some pictures up of my scratches as soon as I can get some taken.
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At least you have a replacement! I put a clear skin on the front and back of mine before I ever powered it on. I'm OCD and any scratches would annoy me and plus I want to keep it in mint condition so if I ever go to sell it on swappa it will be in like new condition. Even with the skin on it, I'm still babying it. What's crazy is my mother had an S4 and she is not easy on phones and after almost 2 years of use on that phone the sides and screen had not a scratch, not even a slight one (I know because I just sold it on swappa and inspected it very close). The screen and edges were still in like new mint condition. Only the removable plastic back had signs of wear. That's kind of sad when you think that a 3+ year old device made by the same company as the note 7 has a more durable screen. I replaced my V10 with the Note 7 and after months of use on my V10 with no protection it still looks new. I stopped using screen protectors and cases 3 years ago because I just hate the added bulk but unfortunately I'm not taking the chance with the Note 7. The clear skin doesn't really bother me though. And I'm thinking about also getting a calicase.
Anyway, thanks for the update. I'm glad I read all the post and not just the first one lol. I think you should edit post 1 so others who are lazy and only read post one don't go and take off their protection and then end up with scratched phones
P.S. I almost forgot. I'm actually on my second note 7 because the first one never made it out the store without getting scratched up. I had them put a screen protector on it for me and they took my phone in the back of the store for like 20 minutes and then come out with a poorly attached protector and then I inspected the phone and they had scratched the back up bad. So I made them replace it.
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At least you have a replacement! I put a clear skin on the front and back of mine before I ever powered it on. I'm OCD and any scratches would annoy me and plus I want to keep it in mint condition so if I ever go to sell it on swappa it will be in like new condition. Even with the skin on it, I'm still babying it. What's crazy is my mother had an S4 and she is not easy on phones and after almost 2 years of use on that phone the sides and screen had not a scratch, not even a slight one (I know because I just sold it on swappa and inspected it very close). The screen and edges were still in like new mint condition. Only the removable plastic back had signs of wear. That's kind of sad when you think that a 3+ year old device made by the same company as the note 7 has a more durable screen. I replaced my V10 with the Note 7 and after months of use on my V10 with no protection it still looks new. I stopped using screen protectors and cases 3 years ago because I just hate the added bulk but unfortunately I'm not taking the chance with the Note 7. The clear skin doesn't really bother me though. And I'm thinking about also getting a calicase.
Anyway, thanks for the update. I'm glad I read all the post and not just the first one lol. I think you should edit post 1 so others who are lazy and only read post one don't go and take off their protection and then end up with scratched phones
P.S. I almost forgot. I'm actually on my second note 7 because the first one never made it out the store without getting scratched up. I had them put a screen protector on it for me and they took my phone in the back of the store for like 20 minutes and then come out with a poorly attached protector and then I inspected the phone and they had scratched the back up bad. So I made them replace it.
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Lol good point, I updated the first post. And yeah I'm ridiculously anal with my devices, But i'm wondering if I need to start loosening up lol. I keep these phones pristine for a year then trade them in (AT&T) my last phone the S6 Edge + (Miss that phone) was M-I-N-T when I turned it in, protector on the front and back, which looking back at it now I realized that i suffered not having the full feel of the phone so that AT&T can sell it top dollar and the next person gets a great deal on a mint phone, who for all I know will; not care and destroy it. Now I'm not saying I'm gonna start being rough with my phone, gonna use my LED case more, and I just ordered a Skinomi Full body protector (we'll see how that goes, I don't have much faith in it) and if it feels like shxt, it's coming off and I'm gonna enjoy the phone as I have been, and get my moneys worth, and AT&T can figure out to do with it when I upgrade.
The Note 7 was designed to be naked, no doubt about it ... but the execution was botched and going naked comes with a price, which sucks, but again the fact is, this isn't my phone in the end, and as much as I love it, I know i wont pay it off once the Note 8 rears its head next year lol so screw it, I'll give the Skinomi Protector a shot, if it's crap, them I'm not gonna sweat the phone getting light scratches ... I'm having a bit of an anxiety attack just typing that, But i'll just have to work at it and get through it lol
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Lol good point, I updated the first post. And yeah I'm ridiculously anal with my devices, But i'm wondering if I need to start loosening up lol. I keep these phones pristine for a year then trade them in (AT&T) my last phone the S6 Edge + (Miss that phone) was M-I-N-T when I turned it in, protector on the front and back, which looking back at it now I realized that i suffered not having the full feel of the phone so that AT&T can sell it top dollar and the next person gets a great deal on a mint phone, who for all I know will; not care and destroy it. Now I'm not saying I'm gonna start being rough with my phone, gonna use my LED case more, and I just ordered a Skinomi Full body protector (we'll see how that goes, I don't have much faith in it) and if it feels like shxt, it's coming off and I'm gonna enjoy the phone as I have been, and get my moneys worth, and AT&T can figure out to do with it when I upgrade.
The Note 7 was designed to be naked, no doubt about it ... but the execution was botched and going naked comes with a price, which sucks, but again the fact is, this isn't my phone in the end, and as much as I love it, I know i wont pay it off once the Note 8 rears its head next year lol so screw it, I'll give the Skinomi Protector a shot, if it's crap, them I'm not gonna sweat the phone getting light scratches ... I'm having a bit of an anxiety attack just typing that, But i'll just have to work at it and get through it lol
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I got the Skinomi clear skin and its been great so far. After you attach it give it a day to settle onto the phone because at first it doesn't look good but after a few hours I noticed it looked a lot better and the next day it looked perfect. The only problem I had was getting the sides to stick. I even used a blow dryer and I just couldn't get them to stay down but I ended up using the top burners on my stove to heat the edges up and then they stuck and they haven't come up since. The s-pen still slides smooth as well with the white inserts. It does have a bit of a texture which I could see would annoy some people but it doesn't really bother me.
What material are your pockets made out of, sandpaper? My original Note 7 (recall replacement arrives today) has never seen a case or screen protector and is completely unscathed. I have not even been as gentle as you described. So weird.
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Welp ... Fast forward 5 days, and I caught it in direct sunlight and this phone is just riddled with light scratches, you have to hold the phone just right and have the perfect lighting to see.
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I certainly believe your report of your observations and recollections, but your experience differs sharply from my own. I've been using unprotected Note 7s heavily (pre- and post-recall) for about a month, and I've acquired no scratches whatsoever.
When I check for scratches, I always use direct sunlight or a comparably bright source, and I rotate the phone through a range of angles in order to see any subtle defects. It sounds like that's not something you've been doing routinely, but rather something that just recently happened by chance. If that's the case, you may not really know when your scratches arose (or even whether your previous devices might have had similar scratches), which may complicate the diagnosis of how they occurred.
I trust we agree that the careful treatment you described could not have scratched even ordinary glass, let alone Gorilla Glass 5. So there are several possibilities. Perhaps the phone scraped against something sharp (even while it was in your pocket) without your noticing. Perhaps the process of applying or removing the case or screen protector scratched it somehow. Perhaps it came with subtle, hard-to-notice scratches already on it. Or could it even be that the phone isn't scratched, but rather has some sort of residue that rubbed off on it? (Have you tried washing it off with a wet paper towel and substantial pressure?)
Again, I trust your observations, but I'm curious as to how your scratches arose, and how your experience diverged from my own. I appreciate your taking the time to update everyone on your situation. And regardless of how the scratches happened, I'm glad you're getting a replacement.
Like i said, being so anal i looked at the phone everyday after naked use, never noticed any scratches, but last night I caught direct light at a side angle and saw the back bottom scratched, from 2 feet away from your eyes looking straight at the phone, looks perfect, up close and examining it with angled light it's def scratched.
When i say im careful, I'm careful... I got the cold sweats when i saw the scratches lol I've coddled thus phone with mittens since i got it, like i said I lay it on tbings and then move that whenever I set my phobe on my desk for no otger reason but to avoid sliding my phone on any surfaces ... pocket always empty and clean, I don't play in the dirt or go to the beach, pockets feel like normal clean pockets lol. I mean people can make excuses for tge glass, he'll i did too when i saw the initial scratch posts, even started a thread praising the scratch resistance ... I seriously don't know how much more careful you can be with a phone as i have been with this one and it still scuffed. I'll grab some pictures with the wife's phone and post them.
It almost seems like theres a raised lips right before the glass dipps down.
Attached is a pic illustrating the damage on my phone almost exactly (until i can grab a few pics) ... and also attached is why I think its happening.
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Attached is a pic illustrating the damage on my phone almost exactly (until i can grab a few pics) ... and also attached is why I think its happening.
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You just wanted to use the fancy s-pen features and that drawing was your excuse. ;P
And I don't blame you :laugh:
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Like i said, being so anal i looked at the phone everyday after naked use, never noticed any scratches, but last night I caught direct light at a side angle and saw the back bottom scratched, from 2 feet away from your eyes looking straight at the phone, looks perfect, up close and examining it with angled light it's def scratched.
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Right, that was my point. Until last night, your inspections didn't include checking the surfaces through a wide range of different illumination angles. As a result, subtle scratches went unnoticed and you don't know when they happened (or even if the phone came with them).
When i say im careful, I'm careful...
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I believe you. But something nevertheless scratched your phone--any idea what it could have been? You and I are both careful with our phones, yet only one of us acquired any scratches. There has to be some explanation for that difference. Figuring out what it is might help us, and others, to avoid scratches in the future.
It almost seems like theres a raised lips right before the glass dipps down.
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Hm, I don't see that on mine. May I ask what kind of screen protector(s) you had been using? If liquid, could it have left a residue? If solid, could the protector itself have scratched the glass that it was in contact with?
Or another possibility: if you used a case initially, could a few sand or grit particles have gotten lodged between the case and the phone? It looks as though the scratches may have been in areas that a case would have contact with. That's one of several reasons that I'd be reluctant to use a case with an all-glass phone.
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Right, that was my point. Until last night, your inspections didn't include checking the surfaces through a wide range of different illumination angles. As a result, subtle scratches went unnoticed and you don't know when they happened (or even if the phone came with them).
I believe you. But something nevertheless scratched your phone--any idea what it could have been? You and I are both careful with our phones, yet only one of us acquired any scratches. There has to be some explanation for that difference. Figuring out what it is might help us, and others, to avoid scratches in the future.
Hm, I don't see that on mine. May I ask what kind of screen protector(s) you had been using? If liquid, could it have left a residue? If solid, could the protector itself have scratched the glass that it was in contact with?
Or another possibility: if you used a case initially, could a few sand or grit particles have gotten lodged between the case and the phone? It looks as though the scratches may have been in areas that a case would have contact with. That's one of several reasons that I'd be reluctant to use a case with an all-glass phone.
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No case or screen protectors since I got this phone last Sunday (Oct 25th) I didn't recall any scratches on my recalled unit so I didn't bother with protecting the replacement. But regardless, I don't recalled a single incident in which would result in these scratches, so they must have happened during light use of the phone, how they happened? I don't know ... but they did .... The glass just seems soft and easily scratch-able. It shouldn't be, but unfortunately it is. And agreed, I've seen scratches come up from case use on my phones before so that is always a concern, but I didn't use a case on this phone, and I never sat the phone down on a hard surface, and never in a pocket with anything else, and the weird isolated scratched areas don't show signs of "pocket damage" ... they came from somewhere I get that, but wherever they came from, they happened with no effort or force.
Inspected my new phone that came in yesterday. Not a single scratch to be found in any light ... Screen protector should be in today so it'll get wrapped before I even use it and we'll try again ... I recommend to anyone who has a Note 7, wrap it up and keep it clean, this issue just may not be avoidable with everyday use.
Is GG5 on the back as well as the front? My rear is scratched only after 2 weeks replacement and general it wears a case. NOT impressed.
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But regardless, I don't recalled a single incident in which would result in these scratches, so they must have happened during light use of the phone
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Well, the phone wasn't scratched by the skin of your hand, the cloth of your pocket, or the piece of paper you rested it on, so there must have been some other contact that you're unaware of. (I'll occasionally notice a small cut or bruise on my arm without recalling what contact was responsible. It happens.)
Regardless, thanks again for the update you posted, and good luck with your new Note 7. If my Note 7 ever suffers the slightest scratch, I will follow your example and post an update here too. So far, a month of heavy, unprotected use has not resulted in any visible imperfection.
I don't get why people are nitpicking this. I get this tone of "maybe you were careful but not careful enough". It sounds like we are discussing handling an egg.
The physics of it are simple and irrefutable, this thing will scratch, there is no way around it. And just because one hasn't scratched yet, or appears that way, doesn't mean it won't.
At this point, regardless of what anyone says or who wants to debate, it's safe to say yhe phone WILL scratch with normal, even careful use. I was one who thought "well the people with scratches must be abusing their phones" but as i type this on a scuffed, yet coddled Note7 I stand corrected. It doesn't affect my love for the phone but it should be noted that it WILL scratch easily regardless of how you treat it, i wish it didn't ... but it does. And I don't think it's batched based, pretty sure maybe even if you dont see any scratches there are probably some on your phone as I found by badically doing a microscopic forensic look at my phone the other day, the shinyness of thr glass seems to hide a lot of imperfections.
I decided to get completely waisted out of my head Friday night.
When I woke I had been sick all over my phone during the night.
There are now sick marks on the screen that I cannot remove with glass cleaner or scrubbing
Any ideas how they can be removed
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I decided to get completely waisted out of my head Friday night.
When I woke I had been sick all over my phone during the night.
There are now sick marks on the screen that I cannot remove with glass cleaner or scrubbing
Any ideas how they can be removed
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If it makes you feel any better, I once dropped my Galaxy S6 in the toilet while I was going #2...
Use a mild disinfectant cleaner. Rubbing alcohol is probably the best option, do not wash your device with it, just use a dampened paper towel or cloth to wipe your device. Clorox or Lysol wipes might work too.
If any liquid got into the phone (like solvents such as alcohol) your screen may be damaged.
You vomited on your phone?
I be more worried about the enamel on your teeth.
Stomach acid does the same thing to it and unlike the display glass you can't replace it.
It may be possible to polish it out with cerium glass polish if not too close to the edges. This takes a certain skill set. If it's not too deep it's doable.
Maybe by hand if very limited...
Try using your the -dry- palm of your hand or finger tips. They are abrasive and can polish glass! I've done it before with camera front lens. It takes at least 30 minutes but it works.
Remember to go over as much of the whole surface as possible to keep it even. You didn't think this be easy did you?
Otherwise replace the glass... more lessons from the U of hard knocks.
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If it makes you feel any better, I once dropped my Galaxy S6 in the toilet while I was going #2...
Use a mild disinfectant cleaner. Rubbing alcohol is probably the best option, do not wash your device with it, just use a dampened paper towel or cloth to wipe your device. Clorox or Lysol wipes might work too.
If any liquid got into the phone (like solvents such as alcohol) your screen may be damaged.
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Unfortunately I think he actually etched the glass with stomach acid. Or perhaps an optic top coating. Oops...
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Unfortunately I think he actually etched the glass with stomach acid. Or perhaps an optic top coating. Oops...
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Eh...Doubtful. It's not just acidity in question, it's chemical makeup. Stomach acid is primarily hydrochloric acid, which while a strong acid (1-2 pH) doesn't react with glass, whereas hydrofluoric acid (3.27) does. Hexafluorosilicic acid is also used although I can't seem to find the pH level for that.
more lessons from the U of hard knocks
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Tough school indeed. Got more than a few concussions there myself.
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Eh...Doubtful. It's not just acidity in question, it's chemical makeup. Stomach acid is primarily hydrochloric acid, which while a strong acid (1-2 pH) doesn't react with glass, whereas hydrofluoric acid (3.27) does. Hexafluorosilicic acid is also used although I can't seem to find the pH level for that.
Tough school indeed. Got more than a few concussions there myself.
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Well if the surface is etched, WYSIWYG.
It likely had an optical coating...
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Well if the surface is etched, WYSIWYG.
It likely had an optical coating...
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If you're gonna drink, don't overdo it.
If you're gonna overdo it, make sure you drink water and don't puke everywhere.
If you're gonna puke everywhere, don't do it on your phone.
If you're gonna do it on your phone...
Sorry OP, not helpful, I know. Hard to say what happened to your screen. Can't say I envy your hangover, but I'm sure we all have our stories...
Last time I get seriously wasted, it was New Years 2016. A friend of mine invited me to her friends' place. I had to be that idiot who got blackout drunk and ended up ugly crying and retching in the bathroom at 3am....
Divorces aren't fun
V0latyle said:
If you're gonna drink, don't overdo it.
If you're gonna overdo it, make sure you drink water and don't puke everywhere.
If you're gonna puke everywhere, don't do it on your phone.
If you're gonna do it on your phone...
Sorry OP, not helpful, I know. Hard to say what happened to your screen. Can't say I envy your hangover, but I'm sure we all have our stories...
Last time I get seriously wasted, it was New Years 2016. A friend of mine invited me to her friends' place. I had to be that idiot who got blackout drunk and ended up ugly crying and retching in the bathroom at 3am....
Divorces aren't fun
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Women, I take the 5th.
Lol, I drank a fifth of Wild Turkey listening to Hendrix around 2008. Hear My Train A'coming was excellent.
I was so drunk I could barely crawl when I tried to get up. Couldn't make up the steps; even with my alcohol impaired judgment that was obvious (a rarity).
I tried 2 or 3 times but the bend in the staircase was impossible for me to maneuver. Due my low altitude no injuries were incurred.
So I ate carpet and went unconscious at the bottom of the steps. Woke up at 2pm the next day. Forgot to puke or die
Probably best to leave the expensive play toys alone when going nutz...
THANK YOU for not providing pictures!
He probably destroyed the oleophobic coating with the bile.
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He probably destroyed the oleophobic coating with the bile.
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That's quit a vile thought...
And now, some drunk listening music...