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I've noticed that the stock htc camera is bad for taking photos
when i had Acer liquid with acer stream camera photos quality was really good
now i'm asking: is a software issue or what? also liquid with stock camera was bad,but only changing the application,the quality was a lot better
any suggestion? which parameters do you use with desire ? ( like saturation,brightness,iso etc)
Attacched photos to see differences ( sorry aren't 100% the same but you can notice the difference)
Just to know (I have pretty the same problem).
Try to make a photo without the back cover.
mmm tried but didn't noticed difference...
you noticed difference without backcover??
Camera indeed sucks. So what other camera applications are available?
Retro Camera and FX Camera. Those are not really for replacement.
erto90 said:
mmm tried but didn't noticed difference...
you noticed difference without backcover??
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Yes, I can clearly see the difference with and without the cover. Especially when making videos but also with photos.
Would be great to port camera from other devices.. also the google camera ( source camera) is better as i saw.. is possibile to port to all roms?
the camera of acer stream is awesome with awesome settings,but don't know if will be possible to ort to desire..
You right! without back cover there is a very visible difference!
Why this and how to solve?
Here you can see the difference with and without the backcover. For me, it's because of the plastic used for the lens. It spoil out using the phone with time.
You can try to remove the plastic or replace the cover. I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
Hurizen said:
I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
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a friend of mine was at a clockmaker. He just drills out the plastic cover and glues a saphire-glass in, now its a scratch free and HQ camera cover. Costs are around 20 Euro including work (it lasts 10 Minutes). But you need and old-style clock-maker with its own repair-shop.
I like Vignette alot. Well worth the money, really professional-ish look & feel to it.
Hurizen said:
Here you can see the difference with and without the backcover. For me, it's because of the plastic used for the lens. It spoil out using the phone with time.
You can try to remove the plastic or replace the cover. I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
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too difference! i think there will be a way to solve this problem,is inammissible for htc to made these things
someone has home-made solution working?
Or for 20 € I've found a battery cover replacement.
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=199270
But it's brown or silver . And it will get scratched in no time, like in the original one. Brian's solution is definitive.
Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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Or for 20 € I've found a battery cover replacement.
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=199270
But it's brown or silver . And it will get scratched in no time, like in the original one. Brian's solution is definitive.
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aint that using the same plastic cover??
Mine aint scratched but I still notice a different without cover so replacing it with glass seems to be only option other then removing cover everytime you wanna take a pic/vid.
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Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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Your pictures seem much more to what I am experiencing taking photos. Hardly(if any) difference cover on or off. I did notice there isn't a lot of color in your pictures.
Tbh, I don't think having a tiny smudge on the cover affects the quality that much as andycted demonstrated. The real limitation is that after all, its a phone camera.
Try using different camera app's with some image-enhancing effects. I recommend Vignette, try it out!
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Your pictures seem much more to what I am experiencing taking photos. Hardly(if any) difference cover on or off. I did notice there isn't a lot of color in your pictures.
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I'm inside, in a very drab cloudly light coming from the window. Indeed the default settings for the camera (stock froyo) lack a bit of saturation, I forgot to set it to +1.
I remember noticying quite a lot of difference and thinking that since my protector is scratched, that was the cause. Turns out it was greasy on the outside, as well as the inside, as I remove the cover every other day to change battery
EDIT: I've added a couple of shots with +1 and +2 saturation and one where the autoflash went off
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Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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For me, also your pics lacks of shaprness. You'll notice it better with hi-def images.
just bought Vignette to see, I think is great apllication and take better photos than stock camera
There are a lot of optimization and i really like it
try this out!
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For me, also your pics lacks of shaprness. You'll notice it better with hi-def images.
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I didn't take the pain to change the settings, or to take great pics, it's a chair and a bottle ! it was just in order to compare lens on/off photos, in every day conditions and the difference isn't all that great. My lens is scratched too.
Stock camera is ugly to see, dodgy in some stuff, but has a ton of functionality. I can't, even remotely, be called a photographer, but I had some fun while going for a walk some minutes ago.
http://picasaweb.google.it/101504838761028525419/MarePesaroTemporale?feat=directlink
The sky was very grey and light quite dim, so I tried to play with exposure and saturation, burning the sky and pretty much everything else in the process. A couple shoots aren't bad though. Try to guess which are with and without lens cover hehe.
I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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Try downloading a 3rd party app and see if it's a physical or software issue you're having. It might help.
Tried with Google camera. Was worse. You own this phone? How are your pics?
I've very recently had a moto X and N5...and now the M8. I find the M8 blows those both away. For what I do with it anyway.
But I learnt the hard way, missing out on good pics and a video (all blurry in the dim light and all the dancing) at my daughters dance recital.... to bring my $99 Kodak and an inexpensive camcorder I recently got, anywhere I go where I fully know I want great pics and videos.
All phone cameras are pretty crap compared to cheap cameras and camcorders. That's life. ?
You'll always be disappointed at some point when you miss something important with your cheap phone camera.
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I've very recently had a moto X and N5...and now the M8. I find the M8 blows those both away. For what I do with it anyway.
But I learnt the hard way, missing out on good pics and a video (all blurry in the dim light and all the dancing) at my daughters dance recital.... to bring my $99 Kodak and an inexpensive camcorder I recently got, anywhere I go where I fully know I want great pics and videos.
All phone cameras are pretty crap compared to cheap cameras and camcorders. That's life. ?
You'll always be disappointed at some point when you miss something important with your cheap phone camera.
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I agree. You meant the m8 blows away the moto x camera? I don't know about that but I know the nexus 5 camera was better than this by far. A little disappointed but everything else is great.
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I agree. You meant the m8 blows away the moto x camera? I don't know about that but I know the nexus 5 camera was better than this by far. A little disappointed but everything else is great.
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Well, for me, I'm thoroughly impressed compared to all my past devices anyway.
But I still will never count on my phone to capture important moments. Never again.
My iPhone 5S takes much better pictures than my M8.
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My iPhone 5S takes much better pictures than my M8.
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What defines better? The M8 can take pictures in dim lighting perfect whereas they are not even viewable on other phones including the 5S.
I would rather be able to take pictures in ANY setting than print out a huge picture.
IMO, HTC is brilliant in making sure their phones are able to take a picture ANYWHERE. Other phones struggle badly in low light to point if being useless.
Also, this is the first phone I have ever had where people who take pictures for me actually comment on the quality. Don't fall for the MP gimmick/bandwagon, HTC knows what they are doing.
There is clearly something wrong with your camera if the pictures are blurry. Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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What defines better? The M8 can take pictures in dim lighting perfect whereas they are not even viewable on other phones including the 5S.
I would rather be able to take pictures in ANY setting than print out a huge picture.
IMO, HTC is brilliant in making sure their phones are able to take a picture ANYWHERE. Other phones struggle badly in low light to point if being useless.
Also, this is the first phone I have ever had where people who take pictures for me actually comment on the quality. Don't fall for the MP gimmick/bandwagon, HTC knows what they are doing.
There is clearly something wrong with your camera if the pictures are blurry. Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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Anywhere? I am struggling to find one place or situation it does excel. All the pictures are really poor again reminds me of pics my old Bold Blackberry used to take. Low light, outside, indoors.. it's really bad. Iphone 5s and s5 are much better at taking pics anywhere, including low light compared to this phone. I been trying all night to take pics and find even a few that are more than decent. Was the HTC One like this or better?
I would suggest you remove the coating on your camera lenses and see if the pictures quality have improved.
I moved this thread to Q&A because it's really a question. Please keep the discussion focused on how to take better pictures or otherwise overcome the shortcomings of the camera. If this becomes a bash HTC or compare devices thread, I'll have to close it and I don't really like doing that.
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I would suggest you remove the coating on your camera lenses and see if the pictures quality have improved.
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Do NOT do this. It removes the anti-reflective coating on it and will produce horrible glare. It seems HTC put it there to compensate for increased lighting from the UltraPixels. If its blurry, then it is certainly defective. Take a look at the camera thread in the general section to see how clear pictures are suppose to be.
i got all happy thinking there might have been a plastic peel off on it.. nope:/
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i got all happy thinking there might have been a plastic peel off on it.. nope:/
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Sucks that you have a defective unit. I would give HTC a call or chat via their website support.
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Sucks that you have a defective unit. I would give HTC a call or chat via their website support.
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I don't think it is defective. I will keep trying a few things, I mean this is a 4 mega pixel camera, so the pictures are probably not meant to be zoomed in on or anything. I like this phone and prefer not to swap it out.
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I don't think it is defective. I will keep trying a few things, I mean this is a 4 mega pixel camera, so the pictures are probably not meant to be zoomed in on or anything. I like this phone and prefer not to swap it out.
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If its blurry, then it had to be defective. Pictures should be coming out like they are in the pictures thread.
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Do NOT do this. It removes the anti-reflective coating on it and will produce horrible glare. It seems HTC put it there to compensate for increased lighting from the UltraPixels. If its blurry, then it is certainly defective. Take a look at the camera thread in the general section to see how clear pictures are suppose to be.
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Known and common issue, the coating starts to scratch very easily (sometimes within weeks), which horribly blurs the photos. Removing using a variety of methods (toothpaste is common) is recommended IMO. Some folks have gotten warranty repair, but others have not (think HTC cited physical wear and tear). And who is the say the new lens cover won't just do the same after a few weeks?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/how-to-fix-htc-one-m8-camera-issue-t2803825
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/how-to-fix-scratches-camera-lens-t2816807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2715784
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How are your pics?
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some truly beautiful pics by the M8 have been posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694621
Pics with the M8 are pretty sharp under a variety of light conditions. Although its pretty subjective, many will say this phone is comparable to other current devices. If you have a fundamental issue of blurry photos, look at the camera lens and see if the coating is scratched, as I've mentioned. It should be pretty obvious to see, if this is the case.
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I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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Can you post up some samples, then we can help you. There are many people who love bashing HTC because of what paid reviewers have written/said about the camera.. If you always use your camera in "idiot" mode or "Auto" mode as the manufacturers call it, then your pictures will always look rubbish.
have a go at using ISO, EV, Shutter Speed and WB, they are there for a reason..look up basic photography and learn to understand light and how they work.
To me, the M8 walks over the crappy S5 camera.. then goes back for a 2nd go..
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Known and common issue, the coating starts to scratch very easily (sometimes within weeks), which horribly blurs the photos. Removing using a variety of methods (toothpaste is common) is recommended IMO. Some folks have gotten warranty repair, but others have not (think HTC cited physical wear and tear). And who is the say the new lens cover won't just do the same after a few weeks?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/how-to-fix-htc-one-m8-camera-issue-t2803825
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/how-to-fix-scratches-camera-lens-t2816807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2715784
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some truly beautiful pics by the M8 have been posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694621
If you have a fundamental issue of blurry photos, look at the camera lens and see if the coating is scratched, as I've mentioned. It should be pretty obvious to see, if this is the case.
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The coating scratches if you do not take care of it. It's as sensitive as the AR coating on glasses or camera lenses. If its scratched, then removing it is the only way. The best way to approach this is to take good care of the AR coating. Removing the coating will cause horrible flare/glare.
The AR coating is there for a reason. This is nothing new in lens manufacturing....DONT remove it.
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Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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Because a few flares under easily avoidable conditions (don't take pics directly at a light source) is greatly preferable to every picture being horribly blurred.
I held out removing the coating as long as I could (about 3 months of ownership), since I didn't like the idea of intentionally removing it with an abrasive (even a mild one). But not what I have, the image quality is greatly improved, and glare/flares are not an issue.
How would you know if the coating makes such a difference if you've never removed yours? Coating like this don't make as much a difference as you seem to think. IMO, actually little or (more likely) no difference.
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The coating scratches if you do not take care of it. It's as sensitive as the AR coating on glasses or camera lenses. If its scratched, then removing it is the only way. The best way to approach this is to take good care of the AR coating. Removing the coating will cause horrible flare/glare.
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No, it really won't.
I don't "baby" my phone. But I take pretty good care of it, and it was scratched enough to ruin picture after 3 months. I use a TPU case, that doesn't cover the camera, but the cutouts provide some protection. The phone is usually in my pocket (never anything else in that pocket) or sitting on my desk/counter.
Unless you are surgically careful with your phone, its going to happen to yours, too. Its just a matter of time.
I've just noticed what looks like a chip on the depth-sensing camera, has this happened to anyone before? I'll attach a photo of it when I'm at home.
Thanks
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9cl-yAEZNkBS3JyS0tEeXJ0VXc/edit?usp=docslist_api
I see a white dot in front of the top camera, is that what you're talking about?
Anything visible in photos? If not, I wouldn't worry about it.
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I see a white dot in front of the top camera, is that what you're talking about?
Anything visible in photos? If not, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Yeah, that's the one, its not very visible on the photo but in person, it looks like a bit of dust on the lens itself.
I haven't taken many photos that utilise the duo camera setup yet so I'm not sure, it's more that its there than any affect it has
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Yeah, that's the one, its not very visible on the photo but in person, it looks like a bit of dust on the lens itself.
I haven't taken many photos that utilise the duo camera setup yet so I'm not sure, it's more that its there than any affect it has
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The Duo Camera is always in use, as the edit effects UFocus and Dimension Plus (and maybe others) utilize it. So if the "dot" is not visible in photos, I wouldn't worry about it.
Might in fact be dust. I actually also have a small white speck between the protective glass and the camera module. I noticed it soon after I got the phone, and it doesn't seem to have affected anything. Always assumed it was just dust. Although you would think they would assemble these things in a cleaner, more dust-free environment.
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The Duo Camera is always in use, as the edit effects UFocus and Dimension Plus (and maybe others) utilize it. So if the "dot" is not visible in photos, I wouldn't worry about it.
Might in fact be dust. I actually also have a small white speck between the protective glass and the camera module. I noticed it soon after I got the phone, and it doesn't seem to have affected anything. Always assumed it was just dust. Although you would think they would assemble these things in a cleaner, more dust-free environment.
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Yeah, that's what I meant sorry, I haven't used many of the effects so I couldn't tell if it has affected it
But ah ok, that's reassuring to know I'm not the only one and it doesn't have an apparent affect
Folks; unsure whether it's the device, the camera app or just me, but: Is it (im)possible to shoot really "sharp" images using the M51 stock camera app or hardware? Using this in various situations, it basically seems to boil down to a _very_ limited range of focus within the image with everything outside being slightly blurred which looks quite bad especially on "natural" structures (trees / leaves). From a mere "optic" point of view it feels like the camera hardly has any depth-of-field and there seems no way to fix this. Is there...?
Thanks in advance and all the best,
Kristian
Samsung Stock Camera is very bad at sharpness/HDR, it tries as much as possible to denoise pictures, and the front image processing is even more disappointing on many devices I've tried/used.
Using Google Camera, it feels very different, as there's manual settings, you can increase/decrease sharpness, saturation, hue, AWB, ...
So the problem is not the hardware but the camera app. Depth Camera works fine on objects/persons.
Consider trying the GCam that suits you from here. I can modify sharpness as low/high as I want.
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Samsung Stock Camera is very bad at sharpness/HDR, it tries as much as possible to denoise pictures, and the front image processing is even more disappointing on many devices I've tried/used.
Using Google Camera, it feels very different, as there's manual settings, you can increase/decrease sharpness, saturation, hue, AWB, ...
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Thanks for the feedback, will give it a try then. Just wondering (after playing with one of the builds for a moment): How _do_ I actually set sharpness and the like in GCam? Compared to OpenCamera or the stock app, user interface seems even more stripped-down. Maybe though I missed something here...
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Thanks for the feedback, will give it a try then. Just wondering (after playing with one of the builds for a moment): How _do_ I actually set sharpness and the like in GCam? Compared to OpenCamera or the stock app, user interface seems even more stripped-down. Maybe though I missed something here...
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Depends on the mod you are using, there's a lot of mods, each has his features, but most of them has lib patcher, allowing the modification of image processing library.
For an example, here's how you find sharpness on tigr GCam mod. It has a lot of controls. You can use xml files to load some ready-made configurations. Sometimes configuration may not be compatible with your device, then you'll need to clear app data and try another one.
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Depends on the mod you are using, there's a lot of mods, each has his features, but most of them has lib patcher, allowing the modification of image processing library.
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Ah cool, wasn't aware of that. Will test-drive some of these and see how they do. Thanks bunches for pointing me there.
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Ah cool, wasn't aware of that. Will test-drive some of these and see how they do. Thanks bunches for pointing me there.
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Anytime, mate.
Replying to myself as recommendation / hint to future readers: All my fault. Period.
Longer answer: When ordering the M51, I applied a screen protector glass - to both the main display and the camera cut-out, in order to protect the camera when having the phone in my pocket. After spending quite some time playing around with this, I learnt that apparently the screen protector placed in front of the camera lens causes a drastic loss of quality (and, thinking a few moments longer about physics and refraction of light in different media, this is pretty obvious).
So: Without this thing on my lenses, quality is ages better. Don't use screen protectors in front of your M51 camera.
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Replying to myself as recommendation / hint to future readers: All my fault. Period.
Longer answer: When ordering the M51, I applied a screen protector glass - to both the main display and the camera cut-out, in order to protect the camera when having the phone in my pocket. After spending quite some time playing around with this, I learnt that apparently the screen protector placed in front of the camera lens causes a drastic loss of quality (and, thinking a few moments longer about physics and refraction of light in different media, this is pretty obvious).
So: Without this thing on my lenses, quality is ages better. Don't use screen protectors in front of your M51 camera.
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Uh .. never thought about this, because I thought it was obvious since 2014 or something that full screen protectors do cause problems with phone sensors, and front camera.
I couldn't find a screen protector with camera cutout for my A70, so I had to crack it manually.
Does everyone have these extreme lense flares / reflections on night shots? Don't think I've ever seen it this bad... Hopefully they'll be able to improve this through software updates
Lens flare is a big problem on the P6P even during the day when the sun rays hit at an angle #Won'tFix Unfortunately it's a lens problem and can't be fixed with software
If not fixed I hope it can be reduced... Is extreme in some cases
I haven't noticed a single flare at all with night shots the street lights or even in doors in direct lighting, sometimes at a certain angle in previous phones I have had it but nothing on my p6p
Yeah, it's bad.
Not as much as that but I do get that.
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Does everyone have these extreme lense flares / reflections on night shots? Don't think I've ever seen it this bad... Hopefully they'll be able to improve this through software updates
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Yeah. I went to a festival here in Korea called the lantern festival, so it's held mostly at night and I had a buncha shots I had to throw away because of the flare, and a lot were hazy, I thought maybe it was my camera lens being dirty but the next shot was fine after the processing.
Haze and lens flare
Haze
45 degree turn from the previous photo, no issues
One of the better shots but too much HDR
I'm having massive lens flare on my pro like you op. other photos in this thread are acceptable imo. I can't tell if there's an issue or not. it's horrible, no matter what street light or x-mas light its pointed at. and night mode shots, forget it. too bad there's no way tom compare shots unless they are side by side.
running the latest 8.4.300.xxx18 version for the camera app. it drastically fixed front camera preview. so not sure if this issue will be fixed or if my cam is effed (no lens protector and tried it with no case also)
Come on guys when you say you aren't getting any flare. It depends how close you are to street lights. It doesn't happen at a distance from strong street lights. I get it on P6P and am sure you will if you try it. It is not faulty as I had same issue on S21 Ultra main lens but not as severe. Here's a shot I took
I didnt notiece it much. Maybe because of snow
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I didnt notiece it much. Maybe because of snow
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Need to be much closer
Here more examples closer to light and further away
My opinion is, that P6P has problem with the flares, but main problem I see is that Nightsight tries to lighten up the scene, and thinks that the flares are shadows that should be lightened up. But I admit, I pointed my pixel to light source and id did show some flaring, but not as much as your photos.
all phones do that. Even my s21 ultra and my gf's 13 pro max
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all phones do that. Even my s21 ultra and my gf's 13 pro max
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Nah man, maybe to some degree, but this is ridiculous. I still have my previous phone, Oppo Find X2 Pro, and it's not even nearly as bad there. I'll post some side-by-side comparison shots soon
P6 (Pro) has heavy lens flare, it's a known problem. Hopefully Google can somehow tune it down with software updates.
What also helps is making sure that the lens is pristine, meaning you need to make sure its properly cleaned before you make photos. Even a little bit of smudge or dust or something can cause lens flare. Hopefully that means it's a software thing-y.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with dirty lens, that purple lens flare is light bouncing off the lens or sensor inside.
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It's got absolutely nothing to do with dirty lens, that purple lens flare is light bouncing off the lens or sensor inside.
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Are you talking from experience? Having the camera bump cleaned does help with lens flare, just try it out yourself. There was a reddit discussion about this and people were adamant about it, I tried it out and it somewhat helps.
Also, your "logic" is not quite thorough.
If there is dirt/smudge/whatever above the lens/camera, of course that could cause lens flare, since that will reflect/redirect light. With a rough surface, reflected light rays scatter in all directions.
For reference
I get lens flare when using Canon L lenses (and one of them retails just under £2000) it is the nature of the beast shooting into bright sources of light though a lens.
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I get lens flare when using Canon L lenses (and one of them retails just under £2000) it is the nature of the beast shooting into bright sources of light though a lens.
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Correct, some degree of lens flare is almost unavoidable. The P6 has, however, relatively heavy/often lens flare present - that was not present (as heavily) in previous Pixel phone iterations/sensors. Hopefully Google can somehow tune this down. It's distracting and most often or not ruins an otherwise great shot.