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Why all the bad press about the camera on this phone?

I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?

I found that in dimmer lighting, it is not as impressive as advertised.
I think some of the problem is that the camera needs to be kept pretty still, so more pics are blurry due to phone movement.
I might argue that my N1 camera was better. Slower, but better pics in low lighting.
Hopefully some software tweaks can help this.

WilliamStern said:
I took a few test shots, and the images look great! What are your thoughts on the camera guys?
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compared to the sgs2 it's not as good.

Personally, I'm at a loss. As far as I can tell, 'zero shutter lag' basically means they've just removed auto focus?
Sure it takes instantaneous photos, but they are often blurry and out of focus unless I tap to focus first, then hold the phone super steady and then press the shutter (which is virtually impossible due to no physical shutter button).
So yeah, not that impressive to me and I don't get this whole zero shutter lag business.
Panorama mode is a total gimmick too, pictures are very tiny... though this is a criticism of ICS camera app and not the SGN's camera setup.

I am happy with the camera so far, I like the fact I don't have to wait 5-6s on my older phone to take another shot
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Here is a quick snap no "Focus Tap"
http://twitpic.com/7toyrq

it has been a hit or miss for me.
so probably when they tried it they got alot of misses lol.

i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.

In answer to your question, it's due to the fact there are plenty of high quality cameras out there on phones slightly older than this that produce superior photos. The GN is a beast of a phone with the latest mobile technology, but the camera is still a generation or two behind. Disappointing to say the least, but not disappointing enough to prevent me from getting it.
That's why.

Are you guys seriously that dumb?
The phone autofocuses still (without using touch to focus). Zero shutter lag means no lag WHEN TAKING THE PICTURE, AFTER IT FOCUSES.
I can't believe some people have no idea how this works lol. You still need to focus the damn thing, or wait for it to autofocus.

I find that the camera is quite good for taking pictures outdoors, but under artificial light the come out a little off. Mind you this is not messing with any settings, just taking pictures out of the box. I will say that no matter where I take the pictures and under whatever lighting, they turn out much better than my Droid 1 (which I fully expected)

I love the new software I think its a step up from the SGS2 even tho its not quite the 8MP. Yes, it may not beat the pants off the iPhone4s but really its a phone and does the job I want it to..... If I need DSLR quality I will take the DSLR out. Also, for me my pics are mostly viewed on the phone for family and friends...not for family portrait books ect. This topic is just like the battery life issue some are happy and some want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.

I agree the camera works great in natural sunlight, a little funky indoors under artificial light..However, since I've taken the phone out of the store i've been taking random pictures everywhere and none them have sucked so far...focus, clarity, and color are all very acceptable.
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voxigenboy said:
i think the main thing is that a lot of people are going "5MP?!... all the other new phones are 8MP!!"
sure, it may not be able to take pictures at higher resolutions or produce quite the same quality as those 8MP cameras, but the fact that it can snap pictures instantly is a big plus.
that and even if you were to take a pic at "8MP", most likely you're not a professional photographer and you're going to be re-sizing the photo anyway.
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even if it was a 15MP camera on my phone, i still would take a point & shoot camera for my precious moments..I guess i'm old school..I just use my phone camera for spur of the moment shots..which 5MP is more than adequate for the job.

True, but pics are still only very average even when focused. Poor, poor camera for such an uptodate phone. Google really have dropped the ball on this aspect.
One day a phone will work from all aspects - soon I hope!

It is too early for me to have a solid opinion but definitely better than the Dinc's 8MP. I really like the camera app on my Asus TF I was thinking the stock ICS cam app would be similar.
I think 1080P Video is very good for a phone, second only to iphone for my eye anyway.
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Danny80y said:
.... want perfection.... I want it too... but as our devices get better so do our expectations.
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/slowclap
A bit on the nose but yes I wanted a N1 but they never came to verizon so I bought it's "cousin" the Dinc. I was awed by it and still am.
The GN...Makes it look like a ugly chunky brick with a dull screen...but so do most modern offerings.

The flash on people's skin (faces, etc) make you look orange, like you have jaundice or something.
I'm sure it will be fixed, just a bit irritating.
Speed is king, though.

The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88

my camera works great so far. occasional blurry pic but not often.

Can take some great pics.
Far better than my wife's 5mpx HTC Desire!!
For some reason, people think that zero lag means they can take a crystal clear pic instantly, without any kind of focus. Well DUH! lol!
OCCASIONALLY that'll work, but quite rare.

wonshikee said:
The phone takes really blurry photos when I do try it.
Yes, I know what how to focus. Just seems even after it finishes focuses, the images come out blurry.
I've also compared it side by side to an i4s and it's night and day difference in quality.
http://i4c.org/86
Here's one of the better ones i've taken.
But most seem to come out blurry like this
http://i4c.org/88
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To me the second one looks a bit more like motion blur instead of bad autofocus. 1/17s wasn't such a fast shutterspeed (low light) so you maybe moved the phone too much while taking the picture. It's not easy to hold such lightweight and thin devices really still.
You could try out another app like vignette which offers an option called "steady shot". Then it will take the picture when the phone is hold almost still - just may take a few seconds until it takes the picture then.

Not another camera thread

I just can't handle it anymore! What on earth is wrong with so many people that they speak so lowly of the gnex camera?! Its the best camera I've ever used phone or standalone. I'm sure some photo snobs are going to try and correct me here but I'm just not convinced. People talk about it like its absolute trash and useless at taking pictures!! Can I really be the only one who thinks the camera is pretty awesome? No lag, great auto focus, super bright flash, auto enhance colors for that nice professional Photoshop kinda look that I think is gorgeous. But then again what do I know, I'm just a fool who thinks 5megapixels is plenty
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betcmrekoapl said:
I just can't handle it anymore! What on earth is wrong with so many people that they speak so lowly of the gnex camera?! Its the best camera I've ever used phone or standalone. I'm sure some photo snobs are going to try and correct me here but I'm just not convinced. People talk about it like its absolute trash and useless at taking pictures!! Can I really be the only one who thinks the camera is pretty awesome? No lag, great auto focus, super bright flash, auto enhance colors for that nice professional Photoshop kinda look that I think is gorgeous. But then again what do I know, I'm just a fool who thinks 5megapixels is plenty
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Totally agree

The more read abot the camera and the more exampe I see te more I think some units have faulty lenses.
Some people try to blame the operator but I really do know how to take a phote (focusing and lighting etc) But my GN produces poor pics 70% of the time and average the rest.

its because this camera works two ways, and one of those ways isn't good quality.
regular auto focus with the button takes superb pics. but touch to focus is broken and bad.
i think everyong just uses touch to focus and didnt realize the regular old focus method exists, and not only exists but quality is great. that's why there are many excellent pics in the forum, mixed in with horrible pics.

I find the camera to be acceptable. I came from an iPhone 4, then went to the International Galaxy S II and they both had fantastic cameras.
I personally feel the GN's camera is a step backwards but it works fine.

Good thing you made a thread about camera threads then.

Don't know what's wrong with the camera o.0 is good enough for me. I bet who ever saying its bad thought it was supposed to be for Professional Photography o.0
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The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.

brian85 said:
The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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Is the first post talking about comparing to another smartphone? Cool cus that's who I replied to:what:
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Whether or not you can take good pictures is how YOU are able to use it. People are complaining about the physical sensor which is:
1) lower resolution than most phones these days
2) less sensitive (it's the same sensor that was on the Nexus ONE and Nexus S)
So whether people CAN take good pictures is not the issue, but the hardware potential which is seriously limited compared to other phones today.
The instant shutter is software. Given enough memory bandwidth you could easily have instant shutter 8mp+ pictures, it's not exclusive to this 5mp sensor.
Post-processing like "auto enhance" is also software which has nothing to do with their choice of sensor - it'll work on any picture regardless.

RogerPodacter said:
its because this camera works two ways, and one of those ways isn't good quality.
regular auto focus with the button takes superb pics. but touch to focus is broken and bad.
i think everyong just uses touch to focus and didnt realize the regular old focus method exists, and not only exists but quality is great. that's why there are many excellent pics in the forum, mixed in with horrible pics.
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Completely wrong. In fact touch to focus is the only way I can get it to focus before hand (where the focus box turns green). Otherwise it has to focus then take the picture. It does very little different as far as the shutter or software is concerned. Pics turn out the exact same if using touch to focus or auto focus.
The only difference I noticed is that it defaults the flash on so naturally shifts the EV balance way down, so be sure to leave flash off.
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brian85 said:
The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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Please don't spread misinformation like this. EVERY camera phone I've compared this phone to it either meets or exceeds. That includes the Droid X, OG Droid, Droid Pro, Galaxy S, etc.

mjohnk11 said:
Completely wrong. In fact touch to focus is the only way I can get it to focus before hand (where the focus box turns green). Otherwise it has to focus then take the picture. It does very little different as far as the shutter or software is concerned. Pics turn out the exact same if using touch to focus or auto focus.
The only difference I noticed is that it defaults the flash on so naturally shifts the EV balance way down, so be sure to leave flash off.
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Please don't spread misinformation like this. EVERY camera phone I've compared this phone to it either meets or exceeds. That includes the Droid X, OG Droid, Droid Pro, Galaxy S, etc.
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Misinformation? The camera on this phone is terrible, and that's a fact. Whether it's software or hardware, the image quality is absolutely terrible.
Some of you are in serious denial.

Oh darn I feel great about taking amazing photos with my SGN. Either my expecations are low, or my phone is exclusive (so I am very lucky), or your phones are defected (So I am very lucky too ), there is no way those photos I took are even close to terrible.

Is that a terrible photo really? I just took it in a dark condition, with phones own flash.

brian85 said:
The image quality on this camera fails even compared to phones that are 1+ years old. Stop bring up dslr's or professional photography....we ARE NOT talking about that. We are talking about in comparison to other high end smartphones.
The image quality on this phone is probably the worst I've ever seen on any of the smartphones I've owned. Terrible.
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brian85 said:
Misinformation? The camera on this phone is terrible, and that's a fact. Whether it's software or hardware, the image quality is absolutely terrible.
Some of you are in serious denial.
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I am not in denial, I know how to take pictures and how to post process pictures. I have worked extensively with professional photographers. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to pictures and cameras, so please don't try to spread information that I along with others know to be false.
This camera is overall pretty good, obviously you have a defective unit or (the more likely scenario) you just do not know what you are doing. Especially if you are stating that cameras from a year ago are better.

mjohnk11 said:
I am not in denial, I know how to take pictures and how to post process pictures. I have worked extensively with professional photographers. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to pictures and cameras, so please don't try to spread information that I along with others know to be false.
This camera is overall pretty good, obviously you have a defective unit or (the more likely scenario) you just do not know what you are doing. Especially if you are stating that cameras from a year ago are better.
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Right, I don't know what I'm doing. Typical response from someone who thinks the camera is good.
Like I said in another thread, I own two DSLR's and a point and shoot. I've been into photography for over 10 years. But yeah, I don't know how to operate a simple cell phone camera. Gotcha.
The camera is not overall pretty good. Obviously when thousands of people and practically EVERY SINGLE review out there for the Nexus bash the camera, there is something wrong.
It's one of the worst cameras I have ever used on a cell phone.

Sorry OP, but I've seen enough of these threads, and there are still plenty of them to have this discussion. This is just going to turn into another argument thread for users.
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[Q] M8 camera vs S3 camera

I currently have a Galaxy S3 and my contract is up soon, so I'll be looking for a new device. I've had Samsung for the last 2 contract periods and am looking for something different. The HTC One M8 impresses me, but many reviews say the camera is lackluster. I'm not looking for the best camera on the market or anything like that. I am quite happy with the camera on my S3 and would like to know if anyone has had both devices and can tell me if the M8's camera is in the same ballpark. I don't really crop pictures and the most I'd do is print out an 8x10 photo, which the S3 gives perfectly good resolution for. I've seen sample pictures taken with the M8 and they seem perfectly fine to me, but maybe there are issues that I don't see. Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks for your time.

Just buy it
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Guys just. A note of caution. This type of question is allowed, but remember to keep responses on topic regarding the cameras only.
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ajt167 said:
I currently have a Galaxy S3 and my contract is up soon, so I'll be looking for a new device. I've had Samsung for the last 2 contract periods and am looking for something different. The HTC One M8 impresses me, but many reviews say the camera is lackluster. I'm not looking for the best camera on the market or anything like that. I am quite happy with the camera on my S3 and would like to know if anyone has had both devices and can tell me if the M8's camera is in the same ballpark. I don't really crop pictures and the most I'd do is print out an 8x10 photo, which the S3 gives perfectly good resolution for. I've seen sample pictures taken with the M8 and they seem perfectly fine to me, but maybe there are issues that I don't see. Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks for your time.
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Reviews have also stated that the battery life on the M8 is awful when that's not the case at all. Are there better cameras out there? I'm sure, but the M8's camera does really well in most situations. I don't use the flash on any camera, I tinker mostly with the ISO. The dual sensor provides some nifty editing features later on too. And let's face it, if you were going to do full-time professional photography, no phone's camera can substitute a real camera or DSLR. I think you'll be happy with the results.

Oviously M8

XNine said:
Reviews have also stated that the battery life on the M8 is awful when that's not the case at all. Are there better cameras out there? I'm sure, but the M8's camera does really well in most situations. I don't use the flash on any camera, I tinker mostly with the ISO. The dual sensor provides some nifty editing features later on too. And let's face it, if you were going to do full-time professional photography, no phone's camera can substitute a real camera or DSLR. I think you'll be happy with the results.
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Thanks for the reply. Do you think I'd be able to get decent 8x10 prints of photos I take with it, or is the resolution not quite there?

I'd personally have a look on the thread pictures taken with M8 . . . I have posted some but some amazing photos coming from this phone
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ILS_SuperNova said:
I'd personally have a look on the thread pictures taken with M8 . . . I have posted some but some amazing photos coming from this phone
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It's funny you should say that because I did check out that thread before I posted this thread - I was trying to see if someone else had posted the question. There are a lot of great pictures there. Am I missing something? Hell, have the cameras on these phones become so good in the last 2-3 years that the photos there are considered sub-par? The fanciest thing I do with photos is some basic editing (I tend to just take pictures closer rather than crop) and then print out an 8x10. Will these photos be good enough for that? What do you think the size limit of the photos would be until they started looking poor due to the relatively low resolution?
Sorry I'm all over the place here, just trying to figure out if I'm missing something or the "standards" are way beyond what I consider good.

ajt167 said:
It's funny you should say that because I did check out that thread before I posted this thread - I was trying to see if someone else had posted the question. There are a lot of great pictures there. Am I missing something? Hell, have the cameras on these phones become so good in the last 2-3 years that the photos there are considered sub-par? The fanciest thing I do with photos is some basic editing (I tend to just take pictures closer rather than crop) and then print out an 8x10. Will these photos be good enough for that? What do you think the size limit of the photos would be until they started looking poor due to the relatively low resolution?
Sorry I'm all over the place here, just trying to figure out if I'm missing something or the "standards" are way beyond what I consider good.
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I'm still pretty amazed how a 4mp camera can produce these images . .I can from a Z1 with a 20mp camera then a note 3 with a 13mp . . .I will be honest some details are lost but that's just the limit of a 4mp camera. .
As for printing I really can't help but maybe some of the guys over on that thread have printed out ?
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Here's my opinion and it's not worth much...
The M8 camera is great for social networks etc. And possibly could do decent 8x10 prints.
The front camera craps on anything out there right now. If selfies are your thing.
Do not dwell on the camera aspect of the M8.
Instead recognize it for its other great features.
Aluminum chassis. Internals. Screen. Speakers. Etc etc.
If you are really concerned about great photos I'd suggest the S5.
My wife has one and I would say it has better detail in SOME situations.
But the Camera software on the M8 is so fun to use.
HTC UltimEight ?

It really depends on what kind of images you want to capture. Do you want to take spur of the moment shots of friends, family and kids in an indoor setting?
Or do you want to take highly detailed landscape photos which you have the ability to crop later.
Its a simple choice yet still very hard, the M8 will do great for indoor/night time shots and reasonably well in outdoor shots assuming you adjust the setting accordingly to prevent highlights from being blown out.
On the other hand, a device like the S5 will take really great outdoor photos with plenty of extra detail but in an indoor/low light situation it will be just average.
I'm in a similar situation to you as im upgrading from an S4 to either the M8 and S5 and the camera is fairly important to me thus all I can really say is is.
Pick your poison, both will do an adequate job in all scenarios but they each have there respective benefits in specific scenarios.
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Jooosty said:
Here's my opinion and it's not worth much...
The M8 camera is great for social networks etc. And possibly could do decent 8x10 prints.
The front camera craps on anything out there right now. If selfies are your thing.
Do not dwell on the camera aspect of the M8.
Instead recognize it for its other great features.
Aluminum chassis. Internals. Screen. Speakers. Etc etc.
If you are really concerned about great photos I'd suggest the S5.
My wife has one and I would say it has better detail in SOME situations.
But the Camera software on the M8 is so fun to use.
HTC UltimEight ?
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I have owned the S2, S3, S4 and now the M8. Photos are great on the galaxy phones and I have always had better luck with photos than reviews say. For instance, my wife has an iphone 5S and was always grabbing my S4 because she perceived the photos to be better.
so far with my M8 the photos have been "OK"...very inconsistent...some are great and some are "OK". Outdoors the Galaxy blows the M8 away (M8 tends to be a little washed out), indoors I would say it is a toss up (on a day to day basis with auto settings or flash). However, I have taken good outdoor photos with my M8, it just tends to be inconsistent. Also, if there is any type of backlight behind the subject the photo tends to be washed out some. I did not think it was enough for me not to buy a M8. I have a canon SLR for important photos. I think the responsiveness of the day to day operations far outweigh the camera lacking a little quality.

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I have owned the S2, S3, S4 and now the M8.
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I agree with every point you touched on.
HTC UltimEight ?

The M8 outdoor shots are incredible on full he 1080p, decent tv's when showing off or viewing the pics and they come out great on 8x10 shots because I got some done recently.
You won't be too disappointed unless you are trying to zoom.
The quality of the pics are normal viewing is in my humble opinion better than s3 or s4 and in low light the s3 and s4 even the s5 cannot compete.
Try it, get it online, send it back if it doesn't stand up.

HtcOneJon said:
The M8 outdoor shots are incredible on full he 1080p, decent tv's when showing off or viewing the pics and they come out great on 8x10 shots because I got some done recently.
You won't be too disappointed unless you are trying to zoom.
The quality of the pics are normal viewing is in my humble opinion better than s3 or s4 and in low light the s3 and s4 even the s5 cannot compete.
Try it, get it online, send it back if it doesn't stand up.
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Awesome, that's what I was looking for - something at least on par with my S3 as far as pics and videos go.

HtcOneJon said:
The M8 outdoor shots are incredible on full he 1080p, decent tv's when showing off or viewing the pics and they come out great on 8x10 shots because I got some done recently.
You won't be too disappointed unless you are trying to zoom.
The quality of the pics are normal viewing is in my humble opinion better than s3 or s4 and in low light the s3 and s4 even the s5 cannot compete.
Try it, get it online, send it back if it doesn't stand up.
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Unless you have used one in real life (which by this comment I can't see how) but my S4 camera is better than my M8, so I can't imagine the S5. The S4 is not that bad in low light. And if you use a flash the pics are very passable. Again better than my M8 in real world usage...not reviewer and photo buff critics..Not to say I don't like my M8, just, to me, this is very overloaded option and a person would be disappointed making a decision on a camera based on this description of the M8. I'm hoping for some firmware fix that will adjust camera quality, especially in sunlight.

bitwiser said:
Unless you have used one in real life (which by this comment I can't see how) but my S4 camera is better than my M8, so I can't imagine the S5. The S4 is not that bad in low light. And if you use a flash the pics are very passable. Again better than my M8 in real world usage...not reviewer and photo buff critics..Not to say I don't like my M8, just, to me, this is very overloaded option and a person would be disappointed making a decision on a camera based on this description of the M8. I'm hoping for some firmware fix that will adjust camera quality, especially in sunlight.
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I can easily prove his statements wrong, I have comparison images I took last year between the M7 and S4 which showcase the difference in outdoor capability.
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Also to add, the new "Google camera" in Playstore that has had the recent update is a pretty good camera to either bee a companion or replacement. i'm usually taking a zillion photos, well, say 15-25GB a month of photos I noticed in the past with my One X and LG G2 over the past couple of years (2 kids, 2 + 4 year old, I have like 5-10 photos of my childhood, I want the kids to savoir the joys of technology so most of their great moments are recorded, plus day to day stuff. That is what we and they are ultimately going to visually remember their young + older life. Might as well have more than less! Delete is easy, "recover from zero" is a tad harder
But I digress basically I'm just adding, even though I've had limited use of my camera relative since Google Camera latest *big* update happened, it looks the business. This coming from someone who usually has 7 or 8 camera apps installed to get the best picture depending on the situation, experience shows me the best app as needed
Better camera unlocked, Holo Camera, Procapture, LGcamera were my most used camera apps on the old phone(s), now it seems Google Camera might take the best pics for any situation (mostly). Tim e to stop blabbering, 2 hours sleep again in 48 hours and 14 hours the past 7 days makes me post 'the stupid'
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msavic6 said:
I can easily prove his statements wrong, I have comparison images I took last year between the M7 and S4 which showcase the difference in outdoor capability.
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Don't forget "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" also holds, while the technicality of various pictures can be seen/known, some people still prefer the technically inferior photo for their own taste. I worked in a tattoo shop for 2 years and saw _a lot_ of pictures, edited/modified/turned upside down while some tattoos we saw on customers or friends of customers, looked "crap" to my hopefully objective eye, they thought they looked awesome (Like badly inked in tattoos with 'stupid' pictures or photo realism that doesn't look like 'real life'.
It's very hard for some people to say a winner/better camera on any particular photo(s) to align with a review they're reading.
We like what we like Be happy with it and try not to impress someone we really care to impress ultimately. It'll make yourself have less 'bad moments' of not being able to impress aforementioned people we really don't care to impress but do. Impress yourself = win ! heh

waz675 said:
Also to add, the new "Google camera" in Playstore that has had the recent update is a pretty good camera to either bee a companion or replacement. i'm usually taking a zillion photos, well, say 15-25GB a month of photos I noticed in the past with my One X and LG G2 over the past couple of years (2 kids, 2 + 4 year old, I have like 5-10 photos of my childhood, I want the kids to savoir the joys of technology so most of their great moments are recorded, plus day to day stuff. That is what we and they are ultimately going to visually remember their young + older life. Might as well have more than less! Delete is easy, "recover from zero" is a tad harder
But I digress basically I'm just adding, even though I've had limited use of my camera relative since Google Camera latest *big* update happened, it looks the business. This coming from someone who usually has 7 or 8 camera apps installed to get the best picture depending on the situation, experience shows me the best app as needed
Better camera unlocked, Holo Camera, Procapture, LGcamera were my most used camera apps on the old phone(s), now it seems Google Camera might take the best pics for any situation (mostly). Tim e to stop blabbering, 2 hours sleep again in 48 hours and 14 hours the past 7 days makes me post 'the stupid'
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Don't forget "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" also holds, while the technicality of various pictures can be seen/known, some people still prefer the technically inferior photo for their own taste. I worked in a tattoo shop for 2 years and saw _a lot_ of pictures, edited/modified/turned upside down while some tattoos we saw on customers or friends of customers, looked "crap" to my hopefully objective eye, they thought they looked awesome (Like badly inked in tattoos with 'stupid' pictures or photo realism that doesn't look like 'real life'.
It's very hard for some people to say a winner/better camera on any particular photo(s) to align with a review they're reading.
We like what we like Be happy with it and try not to impress someone we really care to impress ultimately. It'll make yourself have less 'bad moments' of not being able to impress aforementioned people we really don't care to impress but do. Impress yourself = win ! heh
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Thank you and the rest of you all for replying and helping me.
As I said, I don't need anything that spectacular, just good enough for what I want to do. I'm certainly no expert photographer, so I don't need an amazing camera like the Z2 or the GS5. I don't socially network, so the M8's aim of having a camera suited to share photos on Facebook is of no value to me. My situation would be me playing around with my 2 year-old son, he’s screwing around acting like a goofball, laughing, dancing, and I snap a picture at just the right moment and I want to get a 8x10 made, frame it, and give it to the Mrs. for Mothers’ Day. Currently, my S3 takes good enough photos to be able to do that – resolution and overall picture quality. Would the M8 be able to do that as well as my S3? Granted, I understand that lighting has to be right and he can’t be moving too fast or it’ll be blurry and all that stuff. I don’t want a camera that’s worse than my S3, but I don’t need a camera that can perform rocket surgery either.

Rocket surgery?!?
As has been said, it's horses for courses. If you're constantly taking pictures outdoors of buildings / landscapes, then don't buy the M8 for this purpose, there are better camera phones for it.
I've found the M7 and the M8 to be fantastic at one thing in particular, photographing kids. I have a Lumia 1020 and an M8 and I frequently choose the M8 over the 1020 because of the camera's sheer speed, and Zoe, which is fantastic for kids. (I have a 3y/o and soon to be 5y/o that NEVER stay still!).
Add to this the compilation videos HTC Makes with Zoe, which you can edit and the value proposition from HTC is very strong, IF you have kids!
I haven't tried the S5 yet, but the HTC is fast BECAUSE it "only" shoots 4mp stills, so it's a trade-off.
I get around this trade off by carrying two phones

Camera Issue Querry

Hi,
I will purchase M8 or S5 tomorrow.
I want to know about the camera's common issues:
1. Pink Tint issue (M7 was plagued with that after few months of usage)
2. Camera Glass/Lens getting scratches
Please do share your experience and if these issues have been fixed in recently manufactured batches or not?
If you would are aware of other camera or non camera related issues please do share it as I will buy a new phone tomorrow.
Thanks in Advance

in_core said:
Hi,
I will purchase M8 or S5 tomorrow.
I want to know about the camera's common issues:
1. Pink Tint issue (M7 was plagued with that after few months of usage)
2. Camera Glass/Lens getting scratches
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1: I'd say its subjective. I say there is no issue, others say there is (but probably not as bad as the M7). You can read some more here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783070
2. Still seems to be an issue. But not sure if anything has been done about it on latest batches. The fix is easy, just polish off the useless lens coating (and its just that, a cheap coating, its not the glass that is scratching).
In contrast to the S5, the M8 has a much better build quality and better speakers. You can't fix the cheap plastic exterior of the S5.

redpoint73 said:
1: I'd say its subjective. I say there is no issue, others say there is (but probably not as bad as the M7). You can read some more here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783070
2. Still seems to be an issue. But not sure if anything has been done about it on latest batches. The fix is easy, just polish off the useless lens coating (and its just that, a cheap coating, its not the glass that is scratching).
In contrast to the S5, the M8 has a much better build quality and better speakers. You can't fix the cheap plastic exterior of the S5.
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I need to confirm if that only happens when the auto settings turn up the ISO in dark scenes.
On your second comment
I really like the M8, apart from the controversial camera. And now that I am sort of trying to overlook the camera, i find out there are issue with it apart from being a extremely low res one.
But overall I find S5 to be balanced phone.
Anyways thank for your input.

in_core said:
I need to confirm if that only happens when the auto settings turn up the ISO in dark scenes.
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That's what the thread I linked is saying, yes. Personally, I use my M8 for snapshots indoors pretty often, and many times in low light (although maybe not extreme low light) and do not consider the pics to be overly tinted pink/red/etc. I just looked at my Gallery, and of the past couple hundred or so, I can see maybe 3 photos that have a slightly pink hue to them. And its not something that I would have noticed, if you hadn't mentioned it. But of course, different things bother different people.
in_core said:
I really like the M8, apart from the controversial camera. And now that I am sort of trying to overlook the camera, i find out there are issue with it apart from being a extremely low res one.
But overall I find S5 to be balanced phone.
Anyways thank for your input.
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The lower res is only an issue if you are blowing up photos or cropping them. In bright daylight, maybe some detail is a bit lost compared to higher MP cameras. But its not a big difference (at least not a deal breaker IMO), and the M8's performance in low light is superior due to the larger pixels. Check out the following webpage which compares the cameras on the current flagships of the time; in particular the "Lab Scene" in low light. Not only does the M8 take a much better photo (S5 pic is almost unusable), but its actually less pink than the S5 (and others, for that matter).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
Have you actually held the phones in hand? I was debating the 2 phone myself back in the Spring. They looked very comparable on paper. But once I actually compared the two in person, it was no contest. The S5 just felt so cheap and the M8 felt much more high end in appearance and feel. And the laggy TouchWiz on the S5 does it no favors compared to the snappy M8.
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There is a button for that!

I purchased both the m8 and the s5 back in April. Interface and performance hands down m8. I gave up on touchwiz after putting up with it in the s2,3&4. Features wise, s5 has more to offer but if you prefer the premium build and seamless interface, you can manage without a 16mp camera and a fingerprint scanner. Camera is fine for viewing on laptops, the phone etc. Its good enough though the s5 camera and m8 camera are in no matchup. And since most will change their smartphone every year or 2, its safe to pick one and try it out.. Not a LT investment.
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That's what the thread I linked is saying, yes. Personally, I use my M8 for snapshots indoors pretty often, and many times in low light (although maybe not extreme low light) and do not consider the pics to be overly tinted pink/red/etc. I just looked at my Gallery, and of the past couple hundred or so, I can see maybe 3 photos that have a slightly pink hue to them. And its not something that I would have noticed, if you hadn't mentioned it. But of course, different things bother different people.
The lower res is only an issue if you are blowing up photos or cropping them. In bright daylight, maybe some detail is a bit lost compared to higher MP cameras. But its not a big difference (at least not a deal breaker IMO), and the M8's performance in low light is superior due to the larger pixels. Check out the following webpage which compares the cameras on the current flagships of the time; in particular the "Lab Scene" in low light. Not only does the M8 take a much better photo (S5 pic is almost unusable), but its actually less pink than the S5 (and others, for that matter).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/2
Have you actually held the phones in hand? I was debating the 2 phone myself back in the Spring. They looked very comparable on paper. But once I actually compared the two in person, it was no contest. The S5 just felt so cheap and the M8 felt much more high end in appearance and feel. And the laggy TouchWiz on the S5 does it no favors compared to the snappy M8.
There is a button for that!
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I do need some more feedback on that Pink Camera thingy before i am sure about it.
And what was that coating meant for actually? To protect against scratch or something?

Anti reflective coating..and pink camera issue from the m7 seems to be gone..I've had 3 different m8's(indented power button and speaker grill lift issues)
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sameer1807 said:
Anti reflective coating..and pink camera issue from the m7 seems to be gone..I've had 3 different m8's(indented power button and speaker grill lift issues)
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I could buy HTC M8 without any issue. But the thing is I wont get any warranty in my country

There's far more to a phone than the cheap situational cameras they have. I suggest researching other aspects of the phones and going with what is more appealing to you.
Basing decisions on the sub par cameras all phones have seems trivial.
Get the phone that suits your phone needs.
A 100 dollar camera will blow away every phone camera out there with ease. ?

Anyone not happy with the camera even after the update?

For some reason when I shoot videos or photos, it's blurry if I try to shoot right away. OR I have to tap on the object just to focus on it. I remember being drunk at a concert and recording some video...it took about 10 seconds of a 2 minute video just to fully focus. Even my s3, m7 and old phones never had this problem. Anyone else have this problem?

btort1 said:
For some reason when I shoot videos or photos, it's blurry if I try to shoot right away. OR I have to tap on the object just to focus on it. I remember being drunk at a concert and recording some video...it took about 10 seconds of a 2 minute video just to fully focus. Even my s3, m7 and old phones never had this problem. Anyone else have this problem?
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Camera isn't great, people are probably going to say you're talking rubbish. But I agree.
You can take a good pic and video but not you have to prepare it in certain cases, clean the lens etc.

Camera is just great and it keeps getting better. Make sure you don't have a faulty device or maybe clean the lens and laser auto focus.

Camera experience on mine is awful.
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Compared to my mother's iPhone 6 and my old S6E it takes better photos. I'm not doubting with a few more software updates it'll get even better. I saw that Taiwan got another update recently that reduced glare and further improved on exposure.

I'm going to be honest, the camera is terrible imo. But that's why I carry my DSLR with me if I want to take good pictures. Here is a video I took of my ride to work the other night and the lens was as clean as it could possibly be. Pictures come out the same way https://goo.gl/photos/SS7meVTv2tdA9EuX9
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In low light condition it might still have the autofocus issue, but in bright situation it's been fixed, I think.

I agree with the fact that in the right conditions it's a great camera, it can take some decent shots. But if the situation doesn't permit then it'll takes some poor ones, this has been htcs issues for a long time.

Agreed.
I had the m7 and m8 and so I was used to tinkering with touching the screen to find the perfect focus spot and waiting and taking lots of shots hoping one or two were good.
Then I had the S7 edge for a few weeks. WOW! Never seen anything like that camera.
I returned because of the bootloader and was really excited hearing how the 10's camera rated nearly as good.
I have no idea what crack they are smoking, but focus is an issue and low light performance is worse than the m8, IMO.

After the Verizon update, the camera is faster to focus for me. I still have far too many optical flares though, and halo effects from fingerprints on the lens. They go away if I spend a minute cleaning it well with a lens cloth, but I'm not going to do that before taking every single photo. The lens is easy to accidently touch.
It's tragic because I feel this is a decent camera -- but they either put the glass too far away from the sensor or didn't coat the lens properly to prevent fingerprints from ruining shots. I've never had this problem with any of my other smartphones.
If I had to do it again, I think I'd likely go S7 (standard.) Unfortunately for me, I'm outside of my return window. My girlfriend has it, all of her photos are better, the phone is slightly easier to hold /much lighter, storage performance is much better, and the phone finally has enough power to overcome TouchWiz. Anyone wanna trade? lol

meringo said:
After the Verizon update, the camera is faster to focus for me. I still have far too many optical flares though, and halo effects from fingerprints on the lens. They go away if I spend a minute cleaning it well with a lens cloth, but I'm not going to do that before taking every single photo. The lens is easy to accidently touch.
It's tragic because I feel this is a decent camera -- but they either put the glass too far away from the sensor or didn't coat the lens properly to prevent fingerprints from ruining shots. I've never had this problem with any of my other smartphones.
If I had to do it again, I think I'd likely go S7 (standard.) Unfortunately for me, I'm outside of my return window. My girlfriend has it, all of her photos are better, the phone is slightly easier to hold /much lighter, storage performance is much better, and the phone finally has enough power to overcome TouchWiz. Anyone wanna trade? lol
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Funny thing, the M9 camera "Could" take a decent pic. The sensor wasn't actually a bad one.
It just had poor optimisation and that's what let it down.
I have an iPhone for work (I know )
But the camera is superb, for a quick point and shoot, it's hard to beat.
Also a friend has the G5, camera is simply sublime. The wide angle is just amazing, still even with all this moaning I would swap any for my HTC.
Just something really cool about them..[emoji16] its a curse.

IMO the camera is the best HTC has made, but it's still no where close to Samsungs camera, even the original galaxy (SGS Vibrant) is miles better.
It's a choice, camera VS bootloader, mods, roms, etc.

SykesAT said:
IMO the camera is the best HTC has made, but it's still no where close to Samsungs camera, even the original galaxy (SGS Vibrant) is miles better.
It's a choice, camera VS bootloader, mods, roms, etc.
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I agree completely, the camera is htcs best, but still behind the curve. They'll get it one day.

I tried to take a video a few days ago and problem was it kept and stayed out of focus no matter what I tried
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meringo said:
After the Verizon update, the camera is faster to focus for me. I still have far too many optical flares though, and halo effects from fingerprints on the lens. They go away if I spend a minute cleaning it well with a lens cloth, but I'm not going to do that before taking every single photo. The lens is easy to accidently touch.
It's tragic because I feel this is a decent camera -- but they either put the glass too far away from the sensor or didn't coat the lens properly to prevent fingerprints from ruining shots. I've never had this problem with any of my other smartphones.
If I had to do it again, I think I'd likely go S7 (standard.) Unfortunately for me, I'm outside of my return window. My girlfriend has it, all of her photos are better, the phone is slightly easier to hold /much lighter, storage performance is much better, and the phone finally has enough power to overcome TouchWiz. Anyone wanna trade? lol
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What do you mean by storage performance? What kind of scenario in your case?
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Sounds like a there must some defective cameras out there. My camera always focuses instantly and I have taken a lot of photos. Not one of my photos has been disappointing so far and I have taken them in a wide array of condition, both dark and light.
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Sounds like a simple enough idea, and the reason I think it may work is because I think it's htcs optimization of the camera.
Do you think another app would work better? Might give a few a whirl tomorrow, bought a good one not long ago, will try it and let you guys know.
This is the app, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riseupgames.proshot2
Has buttons similar to a DSLR.

richii0207 said:
What do you mean by storage performance? What kind of scenario in your case?
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emmc (HTC) vs usf (what Samsung uses.)
Reads are 35% faster on the S7. Writes are much faster on the HTC10 due to great SLC write cache, but far less important than read speed, in my book.
This improves not only general performance, but file transfers to your computer (real world example: get photos off device without cloud)
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meringo said:
emmc (HTC) vs usf (what Samsung uses.)
Reads are 35% faster on the S7. Writes are much faster on the HTC10 due to great SLC write cache, but far less important than read speed, in my book.
This improves not only general performance, but file transfers to your computer (real world example: get photos off device without cloud)
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I understand that internal storage is faster on the S7, but I asked for a SCENARIO that affects YOU to the point where the speed of that difference shows.
Moving files such as movies, photos, and music to your internal storage seems a bit silly when you have an sd slot.
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I feel like I can take decent to great pictures BUT the phone sometimes has a hard time focusing unless you tap on the screen. If you were trying to take a picture of something quick, most likely it will be blurry. And yeah, I do clean my lenses more than usual. This is my only problem with this phone. I came from a S6E and that phone had a great camera
too bad it's crippled with touchwiz and yes, it still lags from time to time.