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Touch Pro2 Gsm/Cdma hybrid

There was a rumor that the TP2 would be a hybrid of GSM & CMDA. I have not been able to find confirmation the phone can indeed be unlocked to use both.
The Telus branded one supposedly can be? Has anyone ever unlocked it for use on both GSM & CDMA successfully?
Also, anyone know if the Sprint/Verizon version coming out soon will be the hybrid version?

I have the Telus one and have sim unlocked it. I have been able to use it on Telus as well as using my SIM on AT&T in the states.

the verizon one probably, will likely give u 900/1800 and lock u into only CDMA in the states.

You can absolutely unlock the GSM/SIM functionality. I have the Telus TP2 and have done so. You cannot, however, unlock CDMA at all. So the Telus phone will always be on Telus Network (or roaming partner) when in CDMA mode. You can use any GSM network though when unlocked, including Rogers, ATT, I'm sure T-Mobile too... I've tried Rogers and now using Optus in Australia. Getting HSUPA in Oz, no sweat. You'll usually have to get the internet settings from the web or your new GSM provider as every phone is usually factory set for the original provider's network info.

Sprint's TP2 has both and is going to market it as such.

chopsxxx said:
You can absolutely unlock the GSM/SIM functionality. I have the Telus TP2 and have done so. You cannot, however, unlock CDMA at all. So the Telus phone will always be on Telus Network (or roaming partner) when in CDMA mode. You can use any GSM network though when unlocked, including Rogers, ATT, I'm sure T-Mobile too... I've tried Rogers and now using Optus in Australia. Getting HSUPA in Oz, no sweat. You'll usually have to get the internet settings from the web or your new GSM provider as every phone is usually factory set for the original provider's network info.
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That is not necisarily true,you can use the NAM2 function and run another CDMA carrier on the other NAM. Before I had my Sim unlocked I was running Telus on NAM1 and PagePlus on my NAM2. The only issue is you have to find a carrier that will allow other carrier esn's in their system.

leanne said:
That is not necisarily true,you can use the NAM2 function and run another CDMA carrier on the other NAM. Before I had my Sim unlocked I was running Telus on NAM1 and PagePlus on my NAM2. The only issue is you have to find a carrier that will allow other carrier esn's in their system.
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Does that apply to using one CDMA and one GSM (SIM card) as well? Or both must be CDMA?
Obviously can't be both GSM as there is only one SIM card slot.

use can only use the nam 1 &2 for cdma

Wait, so if we unlock the Telus Touch Pro 2, can we use it on Rogers' 3G network? Does it have the neccessary bands to function? (850mhz umts)
Thanks

steph3n said:
Wait, so if we unlock the Telus Touch Pro 2, can we use it on Rogers' 3G network? Does it have the neccessary bands to function? (850mhz umts)
Thanks
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People have gotten it to register on Rogers, but I am not sure if they were able to get 3G though

SIM Unlocked my Telus Touch Pro 2 Today
leanne said:
People have gotten it to register on Rogers, but I am not sure if they were able to get 3G though
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I used the information posted by leanne and got an unlock code for my Telus Touch Pro 2 within an hour after buying the code on eBay for $13 USD.
I have tested it with my friend's Rogers SIM card and I can report that I was able to register with the network and got GPRS (at first) then Edge connection.
I was also able to make calls via the Rogers network.
Didn't try connecting to 3G services though.
I'm quite pleased with the results as is. Being able to connect to North American GSM networks is an unexpected bonus as I had only expected to use GSM networks when I am travelling in Europe or Asia.
Hope this helps

awesome. thanks for the info. No wonder those TP2s are selling for so much more than the Tmo's!

OldScool said:
Sprint's TP2 has both and is going to market it as such.
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it's on the website now...
http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/en/Action/DisplayPhones?phoneSKU=PPCT7380SP
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getting excited for the possibilities...and it's not blocked for SERO users either!
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193608

I was using my unlocked TP2 down in the States (from Telus) and it works fine. It's a true global phone. Good stuff.

TP2 unlock
chopsxxx said:
You can absolutely unlock the GSM/SIM functionality. I have the Telus TP2 and have done so. You cannot, however, unlock CDMA at all. So the Telus phone will always be on Telus Network (or roaming partner) when in CDMA mode. You can use any GSM network though when unlocked, including Rogers, ATT, I'm sure T-Mobile too... I've tried Rogers and now using Optus in Australia. Getting HSUPA in Oz, no sweat. You'll usually have to get the internet settings from the web or your new GSM provider as every phone is usually factory set for the original provider's network info.
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So how do you unlock the phone?

jessiethe3rd said:
I was using my unlocked TP2 down in the States (from Telus) and it works fine. It's a true global phone. Good stuff.
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is that on a gsm network like at&t/tmobile or a cdma network like verizon/sprint?
does 3g work as well?

Simply does anyone have verizon [email protected] working on at&t!?

GSM
I am guessing the Verizon TP2, Telus TouchPro2 and Sprint TouchPro2 have the same internal guts.
Once you unlock the TP2, you can install a ATT SIM.
Today, it only works on 2G technology, I believe there are some RON cooks that are looking to unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands. When they are successful (TobeyChris, I have confidence), we should be able to run TP2 on ATT 3G.
Out of curiosity, will the Telus TouchPro2 support 3G on TMobile US?

With the Telus phone, right now you can forget 3G on the At&T and Rogers/Fido network.
It's been covered a few time and I commented on a recent thred if you want more details.
I will try to get a Fact sheet of all the TP2 and the supported band with the different networks they can run with their capabilities. These question keep popping up and answers could be stickied!
As mentionned I beleive the Telus and the Sprint have the same internal components.
Telus:
http://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Sprint as less details:
http://insidesprintnow.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/htc-touch-pro-2-fact-sheet/
Digital Dual Band / International Quad-Band capability
Read: 800/1900 EV-DO RevA (I think)
and GSM/Edge 850/900/1800/1900
Also both have the same chipset I beleive
Processor/Chipset: Qualcomm® MSM7600™ 528 MHz

i understand the requirement of the supported band, but there has been mention on this board that despite Sprints claim as a global phone, the GSM networks in the US is not supported (outside US is supported without restriction). I believe this was a restriction set by the FCC. Someone here had mentioned that they were able to unlock their sprint phone and insert an AT&T sim card, but was unable to connect to the network. So it seems like its an issue thats not as simple as unlocking the phone.
Is there such a restriction the telus?

Verizon Pixel XL on AT&T - Do bands 12/17 work?

Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.

MrBaltazar said:
Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.
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I didn't test there but there's no reason why they wouldn't work. It the exact same hardware, same baseband. Only difference is that the VZW version has a locked bootloader. Google and VZW have been clear about this: it's the same phone other than the bootloader.

RomPlinker said:
I didn't test there but there's no reason why they wouldn't work. It the exact same hardware, same baseband. Only difference is that the VZW version has a locked bootloader. Google and VZW have been clear about this: it's the same phone other than the bootloader.
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Verizon locked the LTE bands on the S7 and S7 Edge to only theirs. I had to flash AT&T firmware to use the AT&T bands. It's high possibility they locked the band's on the pixel since they locked the bootloader

MrBaltazar said:
Can someone put an AT&T Sim into their Verizon Pixel XL and let us know if Bands 12/17 are showing up?
Use the app LTE Discovery to check.
Thanks in advance.
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VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
Can confirm band 12 WAS disabled on my Note 7 (VZW). Doesn't appear they gimped the Pixel's.
Proof.
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NickOlsen8390 said:
VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
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You are correct that 17 is a subset of 12 - but they are advertised as different bands by the enodeb unless using the multi-frequency band indicator. I don't believe mfbi is widely deployed outside of lab testing these days.
That said on AT&T's RAN my device (non-VZW pixel xl) will latch onto AT&T's band 17 (addressing it as band 17, and not as a subset of 12. E.g. it's using 17 earfcn's).

RomPlinker said:
You are correct that 17 is a subset of 12 - but they are advertised as different bands by the enodeb unless using the multi-frequency band indicator. I don't believe mfbi is widely deployed outside of lab testing these days.
That said on AT&T's RAN my device (non-VZW pixel xl) will latch onto AT&T's band 17 (addressing it as band 17, and not as a subset of 12. E.g. it's using 17 earfcn's).
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Interesting. I remember reading ATT was the one using MFBI as part of them picking up US Cellulars Band 12. And wanting to allow Band 12 only phones to associate to Band 17. Perhaps they've disabled that as they've gotten US Cellular phones out of peoples hands.
Thanks for the info!

MrBaltazar said:
Verizon locked the LTE bands on the S7 and S7 Edge to only theirs. I had to flash AT&T firmware to use the AT&T bands. It's high possibility they locked the band's on the pixel since they locked the bootloader
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Here you go straight from Zdnet:
Verizon's advertising campaign would like to make you think the Pixel is only available in the US from the carrier, but the truth is you can purchase the Pixel directly from Google or at Best Buy. All Pixel phones are unlocked and will work on all major US carriers.
Google sent me a Pixel XL with a Verizon Wireless SIM card, and I was able to switch between Verizon and my personal AT&T SIM card without any issue.

NickOlsen8390 said:
Interesting. I remember reading ATT was the one using MFBI as part of them picking up US Cellulars Band 12. And wanting to allow Band 12 only phones to associate to Band 17. Perhaps they've disabled that as they've gotten US Cellular phones out of peoples hands.
Thanks for the info!
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I didn't think (but I could be wrong) they've widely deployed it yet - but I'm sure they will. There's an FCC mandate. Either way, it looks like your answer is solved. The VZW pixel is known to work at least on band 12, and I've confirmed that I'm camping on a band 17 earfcn at this time with mine (there would be no reason for them to restrict 17 if they weren't restricting 12).

RomPlinker said:
I didn't think (but I could be wrong) they've widely deployed it yet - but I'm sure they will. There's an FCC mandate. Either way, it looks like your answer is solved. The VZW pixel is known to work at least on band 12, and I've confirmed that I'm camping on a band 17 earfcn at this time with mine (there would be no reason for them to restrict 17 if they weren't restricting 12).
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Thank you for confirmation of band 17. It is a subset of 12

jawmail said:
Here you go straight from Zdnet:
Verizon's advertising campaign would like to make you think the Pixel is only available in the US from the carrier, but the truth is you can purchase the Pixel directly from Google or at Best Buy. All Pixel phones are unlocked and will work on all major US carriers.
Google sent me a Pixel XL with a Verizon Wireless SIM card, and I was able to switch between Verizon and my personal AT&T SIM card without any issue.
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Please confirm your att LTE band with LTE Discovery app. You may be on band 3 also

NickOlsen8390 said:
VZW Pixel XL jumped on Band 12 no problem with a Tmobile sim. So it appears the band isn't disabled on the phone.
Unsure of 17. Don't have a ATT sim to test with. But 17 is a subset of 12. So in theory. It should be unlocked.
Can confirm band 12 WAS disabled on my Note 7 (VZW). Doesn't appear they gimped the Pixel's.
Proof.
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Yes this confirms 12 and 17 are unlocked compared to the Samsung devices which I only got band 3 in rural areas with (because 3 is shared between Verizon and AT&T, thus unlocked)
Thank you for having experience with the note 7 and comparing the two. I had a note 7 and went with the s7 edge but may be trading it in for the Pixel XL. Just wanted to verify LTE bands. Thank you again for posting this

ONLY h+ FOR ME

I took the SIM Card from my daughters iPhone and used it on the Pixel. I had LTE with 25mbps down and 12mbps up. Texting and MMS worked. Didn't try the Advanced Calling. I know these are different for each carrier.

rmckenney23 said:
I took the SIM Card from my daughters iPhone and used it on the Pixel. I had LTE with 25mbps down and 12mbps up. Texting and MMS worked. Didn't try the Advanced Calling. I know these are different for each carrier.
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What carrier? Also please run LTE Discovery from the app store and check the band it's using

I'm using a ATT Sim Card for a Verizon Model I bought from Best Buy. Works perfectly for me.. It shows Band 17 in LTE Discovery
http://imgur.com/GEcBxMr

I got my hands on an ATT SIM Yesterday. Band 17 is usable on the VZW pixel as expected.

NickOlsen8390 said:
I got my hands on an ATT SIM Yesterday. Band 17 is usable on the VZW pixel as expected.
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This is perfect. Thanks for your effort

V30 Canadian version H933

So far we know the model H933 and that it will come in cloud silver (maybe other colours but website only shows one for now). Also we may not get the V30+ but that is not a big deal since its only more storage.
http://www.lg.com/ca_en/cell-phones...PiB8PZcedjEkB_zhzUhWH3xmuQHSgsf4aAqHrEALw_wcB
Pricing and release date is still up in the air. My guess is at least $899 or maybe $999. Let hope the former.
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
I will try to modify and update this post as more information becomes available.
Are you getting one???

milan187 said:
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
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If you want bootloader unlocked in Canada, it's the same situation like the LG G6. You will have to get the U.S. carrier unlocked version of the LG V30, which is eligible for official bootloader unlock. It will have all the U.S./Canadian bands.
Here's the LG G6 US997 carrier unlocked bands below. See, if you live in Canada, you would be fine.
U.S. LG G6 CARRIER UNLOCKED
Communications
CDMA 2G CDMA: 800, 1900 MHz
GSM 2G GSM, GPRS, EDGE: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
CDMA 3G CDMA2000, EV-DO: 800, 1900 MHz
GSM 3G/3.5G UMTS, HSPA+: 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz
4G LTE LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25 Bands
Wi-Fi Yes, 802.11a/b/g/n/ac
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The carrier unlocked LG V30 will be released probably mid-October, AFTER all the carrier branded models. It will work with all carriers and won't be locked to any. It MAY even have the T-mobile LTE 71 band...in addition to all the bands listed above. But it will at least have all the bands the U.S. carrier unlocked LG G6 has.
LG V30 US998.
Set a Google alert for that model number.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html?email=
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ChazzMatt said:
If you want bootloader unlocked in Canada, it's the same situation like the LG G6. You will have to get the U.S. carrier unlocked version of the LG V30, which is eligible for official bootloader unlock. It will have all the U.S./Canadian bands.
Here's the LG G6 US997 carrier unlocked bands below. See, if you live in Canada, you would be fine.
U.S. LG G6 CARRIER UNLOCKED
The carrier unlocked LG V30 will be released probably mid-October, AFTER all the carrier branded models. It will work with all carriers and won't be locked to any. It MAY even have the T-mobile LTE 71 band...in addition to all the bands listed above. But it will at least have all the bands the U.S. carrier unlocked LG G6 has.
LG V30 US998.
Set a Google alert for that model number.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html?email=
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From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.

jcsww said:
From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
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it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.

ChazzMatt said:
it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
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Hmmm. I have seen 66, 69, and now 71. I don't care which one it is, I just want to make sure the phone I am considering has it.
Personally, I would ultimately like the dual-SIM version but I value T-Mobile WiFi Calling quite a bit. With one T-Mobile USA SIM and one Telus Canada SIM. I would like to ditch the two phones being carried.

jcsww said:
Hmmm. I have seen 66, 69, and now 71. I don't care which one it is, I just want to make sure the phone I am considering has it.
Personally, I would ultimately like the dual-SIM version but I value T-Mobile WiFi Calling quite a bit. With one T-Mobile USA SIM and one Telus Canada SIM. I would like to ditch the two phones being carried.
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https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
T-Mobile calls 600 MHz LTE BAND 71.
Band 66 is something entirely different. You can read about both there.

milan187 said:
So far we know the model H933 and that it will come in cloud silver (maybe other colours but website only shows one for now). Also we may not get the V30+ but that is not a big deal since its only more storage.
http://www.lg.com/ca_en/cell-phones...PiB8PZcedjEkB_zhzUhWH3xmuQHSgsf4aAqHrEALw_wcB
Pricing and release date is still up in the air. My guess is at least $899 or maybe $999. Let hope the former.
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
I will try to modify and update this post as more information becomes available.
Are you getting one???
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Im debating a v30 or a note 8 but want to compare both in hand first.
Neither will be the CAN version since i dont waste money on devices with locked bootloaders
sent from my Note FE or S8 Plus (exynos)

force70 said:
Im debating a v30 or a note 8 but want to compare both in hand first.
Neither will be the CAN version since i dont waste money on devices with locked bootloaders
sent from my Note FE or S8 Plus (exynos)
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Personally the note 8 is to big and the "artist" side is not for me. I need the best audio. And now rumors for axon 8 are starting so I'm starting to hesitate a bit between the two.

nitramus said:
And now rumors for axon 8 are starting so I'm starting to hesitate a bit between the two.
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Also rumors are ZTE is skipping the 8 label and will call it the Axon 9. To be announced in October.
Yeah, I'm curious about it also. See this page, page 13 of the thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...s-to-replace-2014-quark-droid-t3597950/page13
This post in particular:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=73686747

jcsww said:
From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
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Never listen to carrier reps. They are often clueless.
U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.
LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.
Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to @starscalling for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.
https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000
He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes you feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine.
Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.

ChazzMatt said:
Never listen to carrier reps. They are often clueless.
U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.
LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.
Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to @starscalling for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.
https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000
He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes you feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine.
Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.
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Hopefully a custom ROM can add the WiFi Calling into the US998 then. I do use it and found it to be the only reliable way to get working cell service on a cruise.

Only thing that sucks about buying the US unlocked model is warranty right?

milan187 said:
Only think that sucks about buying the US unlocked model is warranty right?
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I never think about the warranty. I am in the US for half of the year so getting warranty service, if needed, shouldn't be an issue.

jcsww said:
I never think about the warranty. I am in the US for half of the year so getting warranty service, if needed, shouldn't be an issue.
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For you it works out I guess.
I had to get warranty repairs for both my Pixel and LG G6 recently.

milan187 said:
For you it works out I guess.
I had to get warranty repairs for both my Pixel and LG G6 recently.
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In some cases, the US warranty is valid in North America. Until the device is released though, only LG can confirm the warranty terms.
I bought a Nexus 6P for my girlfriend in Canada from Telus that she uses on AT&T in the US. When she registered the device, it issued her the full US warranty.

according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/

Matrix_19 said:
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
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Sounds about right. That would be $810 U.S. (current currency value as of this moment), but it never translates exactly to the same exact figure, when it goes on sale in other countries. And they would do "$999" or $995" Canadian, not "$1000". Sales psychology.
For U.S. then would be $799, $849, etc. But $1000 Canadia ($810 U.S.) is in the same ballpark as other rumored prices. Over in South Korea, $846 or something but of course tweaked for their currency sweet spot.

Matrix_19 said:
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
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That's probably a guestimate because Telus is not carrying the V30 unfortunately. Freedom Mobile is the only carrier I am aware of definitely getting it. The V20 when it came out last year was about $950 through them but I have asked already. No pricing or the specific model they will carry as of yet.

ChazzMatt said:
it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
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Mind providing a link to that discussion?
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eventhorizon13 said:
Mind providing a link to that discussion?
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Sure, this was the original discussion. But let me explain a couple of things.
First, most OEMs manufacture phones in the most efficient way. For instance, people have been able to enable LTE bands on some phones from Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. because apparently those OEMs first enable all LTE bands (sort of a global phone), then use software to RESTRICT what they don't want for various carriers or regions.
Add Frequency Bands to Your Qualcomm Device
Those of you who travel quite a bit undoubtedly own more than one device due to frequency band restrictions put in place by both carriers / OEMs, as well as local regulatory agencies. It’s common to find regional variants of pretty much the same devices from Sony, LG, Samsung, and other OEMs. And of course, these companies want to turn a profit, so they often sell multiple devices rather than one that can switch between all of its hardware-supported frequency bands. Surprisingly, most phones works pretty well with frequency bands that are not officially supported. In fact, this is often just a software limitation that can be circumvented with tools available on XDA.
If you want to add frequency bands, you need to prepare yourself for lots of reading. The process is not as easy as simply rooting, and requires some tools like QPST and QXDM.
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This is not a new concept. A quick Google search shows more. But that above is from an XDA article, which is developer-centric.
But it's not simply using QPST or QXDM to "enable" those bands, the hardware (antennas) also has to be available. On the Moto XT1225, which I own, many people tried to enable European LTE band 20 but it didn't work for one reason because the antenna didn't support that band. In software, it showed it was enabled but there was no way to transmit or receive that frequency due to lack of antenna support.
Now... what's more realistic? That LG would make a separate AT&T, T-mobile, Sprint, Verizon models -- plus all the Canadian carriers, all with different antennas? -- one make ONE "North America" template and then in a final stage lock out what each carrier doesn't need? The HINT is that they are already going to release a U.S. (actually North America) "carrier unlocked" model weeks after the carrier-branded models -- the LG V30 US 998.
Logic would show for manufacturing efficiency, THIS is really the base model the carriers are selling, including T-mobile. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile and all the Canadian carriers are getting a customized variation of THIS US998. It's just their branded versions have the bands enabled/disabled they specifically need.
Then, the US998 will have ALL the U.S./Canadian bands enabled -- probably including LTE band 71. If it didn't, then it really wouldn't be full "carrier unlocked" version.
Twice, the "management" Twitter account of T-mobile seemingly said the "carrier unlocked" version would have LTE band 71. Which was encouraging.
Then the "customer service" (T-mobile Help) Twitter account has questioned that. Which I laugh at. Customer service reps are typically clueless about what unlocking really means, and also they can't speak for LG. They can only speak for T-Mobile product and usually using scripts to go by. [emoji14] I know more than they do how OEMs like LG make phones. Plus, T-Mobile wants you to buy a T-mobile branded phone, not a carrier unlocked phone straight from LG or some other retailers.
But LG doesn't need T-Mobile "permission" for what LG does with a carrier unlocked version not sold or serviced by T-Mobile.
So, based on past experience and knowledge of the industry, I would bet all the North American LG V30 phones have the same hardware (antennas), and that the carrier unlocked version will either have LTE band 71 at release or hopefully it can be enabled by devs. Here's the discussion link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/t-mobile-600-mhz-lte-band-71-s-carrier-t3671351

Unlocked Samsung on ATT or TMO

Does anyone know how the new unlocked devices handle carriers like ATT for calling features, like WiFi Calling? The Pixel works as long as your account is activated for WFC
If not, will you be able to flash carrier former on an unlocked device to get features working?

I don't know how that works with ATT - I know that my G975F does not get those calling features - but considering the unlocked Pixel Does get Wifi Calling and and Enhanced LTE on ATT, it is possible that an Unlocked Samsung Phone will too. (if it were a tmobile phone, it would not get WIfi Calling on ATT - but I honestly think the Unlocked Samsung Might) Good Luck.

Geekser said:
I don't know how that works with ATT - I know that my G975F does not get those calling features - but considering the unlocked Pixel Does get Wifi Calling and and Enhanced LTE on ATT, it is possible that an Unlocked Samsung Phone will too. (if it were a tmobile phone, it would not get WIfi Calling on ATT - but I honestly think the Unlocked Samsung Might) Good Luck.
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Wasn't sure ..... It was strange in that ordering the unlocked from Samsung have 600 credit for a Note 9 , but only 300 for an ATT ???
I have accounts with ATT and TMO ..... So I thought I know unlocked might be best
But I don't want to end up with no calling features on either

Worst case i would assume you could Odin the att files on the unlocked version to enable it. That's how it's been the last few years anyway with Samsung devices(snapdragons). I know that those features work on the unlocked with t mobile.

On T-Mobile I get WiFi calling and volte with my old Note 9 and current S10+. Never had an issue. The only thing you do t get is that aggregate LTE capability. But I don't really notice a difference in speeds. Not sure how it works with ATT.

jcrompton said:
Does anyone know how the new unlocked devices handle carriers like ATT for calling features, like WiFi Calling? The Pixel works as long as your account is activated for WFC
If not, will you be able to flash carrier former on an unlocked device to get features working?
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I can tell you that the Unlocked S10+ does NOT get WiFi Calling or VoLTE on AT&T.

S10+ here on T-Mobile all is solid with unlocked.. I expect the same on N10+
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guyd said:
I can tell you that the Unlocked S10+ does NOT get WiFi Calling or VoLTE on AT&T.
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Did you try any of the "tricks"? Like Odin flashing carrier firmware or making sure that ATT had your IMEI in their database or even putting an ATT device IMEI in your account settings?
Because if you do nothing and expect WiFi calling on a non ATT device it will never work

I have the unlocked Note 10+ on T-Mobile and have all of my carrier features except native video calling/rcs.

about N975U1 firmware
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jcrompton said:
Did you try any of the "tricks"? Like Odin flashing carrier firmware or making sure that ATT had your IMEI in their database or even putting an ATT device IMEI in your account settings?
Because if you do nothing and expect WiFi calling on a non ATT device it will never work
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Odin flash carrier firmware. I'd rather just buy the AT&T version and not have to go through the trouble.
Yes, AT&T has my IMEI in their database. I even gave them one from my AT&T branded S9+, but that trick doesn't work anymore. They read the IMEI directly out of the device at some point when it connects to their network.
I called support and asked them to verify that I had WiFi calling and VoLTE provisioned, but then when they saw the IMEI was from an unlocked S10+, they told me it wasn't supported.
I did everything I could short of flashing the carrier firmware, which I didn't want to do because I was considering switching back to Verizon. BTW, WiFi calling and VoLTE works fine on Verizon with an unlocked Samsung S9 or S10 without having to flash anything! It's AT&T that's being difficult.

What Guyd said. I called At&t to see if they coould provision a device. The young lady I spoke with gave a list of like 5 devices they can provision. I then asked about the unlocked firmware and they do not support unlocked firmware for advanced messaging..wifi calling..or volte
SM-N935F Note FE OREO

guyd said:
Odin flash carrier firmware. I'd rather just buy the AT&T version and not have to go through the trouble.
Yes, AT&T has my IMEI in their database. I even gave them one from my AT&T branded S9+, but that trick doesn't work anymore. They read the IMEI directly out of the device at some point when it connects to their network.
I called support and asked them to verify that I had WiFi calling and VoLTE provisioned, but then when they saw the IMEI was from an unlocked S10+, they told me it wasn't supported.
I did everything I could short of flashing the carrier firmware, which I didn't want to do because I was considering switching back to Verizon. BTW, WiFi calling and VoLTE works fine on Verizon with an unlocked Samsung S9 or S10 without having to flash anything! It's AT&T that's being difficult.
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For sure, with some of my prior devices unlocked firmware or even custom ROMs would not allow for ATT to be successful with WFC. It takes an IMEI ,(that's from an ATT branded device that does WiFi calling in your billing account) ..... AND ..... The correct CSC stuff ...... AND ...... a couple of files that are used by the system with ATT WFC.
The Pixel 3 and Pixel 3a had all that was needed, even though unlocked, to work with ATT and obtain WFC as long as you had correct info on ATTs end with an IMEI that allowed for WFC on their Network.
Btw in my experience I never had any issues with another IMEI being maintained in my billing account but admittedly it was easier for me to change IMEI because I could do it myself with my business account portal.
But some prior devices like the Note 9 and S9 and 10 required other stuff including files to make things to work.
My original question was a hopeful one that the newer device Note 10 (unlocked) possibly had everything it needed ( at least on the phone's end to make things work, like the Pixels do).
Btw. In my experience, asking level 1 or even 2 ATT tech support is utterly useless with things like this.
They don't " support" anything that isn't in their cookbooks that they read from during a tech support call!!!!!
All that said, my guess is that we may have to flash carrier firmware with Odin to get calling features with ATT but I also guess that TMobile will work out of the box, as I believe some have confirmed already
butchieboy said:
What Guyd said. I called At&t to see if they coould provision a device. The young lady I spoke with gave a list of like 5 devices they can provision. I then asked about the unlocked firmware and they do not support unlocked firmware for advanced messaging..wifi calling..or volte
SM-N935F Note FE OREO
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chetly968 said:
On T-Mobile I get WiFi calling and volte with my old Note 9 and current S10+. Never had an issue. The only thing you do t get is that aggregate LTE capability. But I don't really notice a difference in speeds. Not sure how it works with ATT.
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What is aggregate LTE?
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@aznmode .
google is your friend : ask for ATT Carrier Agregation
it's the association of multiple frequencies for better Peak data rate in LT-Advanced

yakapa40 said:
@aznmode .
google is your friend : ask for ATT Carrier Agregation
it's the association of multiple frequencies for better Peak data rate in LT-Advanced
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I searched for aggregate LTE and I was confused when it showed "carrier" integration and I assume carrier meant providers. But I get it now. Thanks for the reply.

aznmode said:
I searched for aggregate LTE and I was confused when it showed "carrier" integration and I assume carrier meant providers. But I get it now. Thanks for the reply.
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Will this work with unlocked?
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Has there ever been an attempt to sue AT&T since they force you to buy from them...and disable phone's features that you pay for but can't use due to having an unlocked phone?

johnronin said:
Has there ever been an attempt to sue AT&T since they force you to buy from them...and disable phone's features that you pay for but can't use due to having an unlocked phone?
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No
1. They DON'T force you to buy from them. You can buy just about any unlocked device and use it on ATT. For example the Google Pixel or any of the Samsung Galaxy phones.
2. They haven't disabled anything on your phone. But they have a right to determine which phone features will work on their Network. Unless you are paying a separate fee for WiFi calling or VoLTE, then they aren't disabling anything that your paying for. They simply require you to use an ATT branded device to access certain free features.
Does it suck that you have to have an ATT branded device? Sure. Is it illegal. Absolutely not.
By the way, ALL the carriers do this to an extent. Sprint won't hardly activate a phone on their Network that isn't a Sprint branded device. I think they've eased those restrictions, but just a couple years ago with the Note 8, they had a very strict list of BYOD devices.
WiFi calling and VoLTE works on T-Mobile with an unlocked device, but RCA messaging and video calling from the stock dialer does not.
I'm not sure about Verizon, but I believe not all of their features work with the unbranded firmware either.

I flashed my unlocked Note 10 Plus to the ATT U firmware. I am using ATT prepaid. Right now ATT wifi calling doesn't work with Note 10 Plus but it does work for S10 Plus (and previous models). I am pretty sure this is because the Note 10 is still very new and their system needs some update. I will wait a couple weeks and see what happens.

From UK to Kuwait. This is my Note 10+ 5G story

So I've came back from a quick visit from my home in the UK, ditched my one plus 5T and got myself the new note 10+ 5G 512GB in black. Model number SM-976B
Upon arrival in Kuwait, I went and got myself a 5G plan. The Ooredoo staff looked up my phone and said that Kuwait runs the same N78 3500 Band C that the phone supports and that I should be in the clear.
The phone switches On. I see the 5G sign , I start smiling. Few minutes later it drops to 4G+. Everytime I go to Flight mode and back, I get into 5G for a few minutes, however the download speeds is that of 4G!
Off I run to the Ooredoo store, guy pulls the sim card from my phone and put it into his mate 20X phone and shows me 400+ mbps speeds, telling me it is something to do with my phone.
I call Samsung UK and after an hour on the phone, the tech guy informs me that I can only use 5G while I'm the UK, is that even possible ?
Kuwait has its own note 10+ 5g middle east edition. Should I return my handset and buy that local version ?
The main question here is:
1- Is my phone hardware or software limited to connecting to Kuwaits 5G network? I see 5G upto everytime I disconnect my sim
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2- Is there such thing as 5G working only in UK or is it some BS thrown by the tech guy.
3- anything I can do about it ? Or should I return the handset ?
Thanks
EDIT (#1) - More information
The one sold in Kuwait and entire middle east is the N976Q variant (SM-N976Q)
after a quick lookup this is the bands supported by their phone. (from samsung UAE website)
5G TDD Sub6
N41(2500), N78(3500)
This is the bands supported by my UK phone
5G TDD Sub6
N78(3500)
- 5G Bands in Kuwait:
Communication and Information Technology Regulatory Authority (الهيئة العامة للاتصالات وتقنية المعلومات) just announced here that 5G implementation in Kuwait will use the 3.5GHz C-Bands and checking on the 5G band wiki states that C-Bands are 3700MHz - 3500MHz - 4700MHz, meaning that none of the routers available in Kuwait currently will support the 5G Bands.

What version of the phone do they have in Kuwait?

Nasmo said:
So I've came back from a quick visit from my home in the UK, ditched my one plus 5T and got myself the new note 10+ 5G 512GB in black. Model number SM-976B
Upon arrival in Kuwait, I went and got myself a 5G plan. The Ooredoo staff looked up my phone and said that Kuwait runs the same N78 3500 Band C that the phone supports and that I should be in the clear.
The phone switches On. I see the 5G sign , I start smiling. Few minutes later it drops to 4G+. Everytime I go to Flight mode and back, I get into 5G for a few minutes, however the download speeds is that of 4G!
Off I run to the Ooredoo store, guy pulls the sim card from my phone and put it into his mate 20X phone and shows me 400+ mbps speeds, telling me it is something to do with my phone.
I call Samsung UK and after an hour on the phone, the tech guy informs me that I can only use 5G while I'm the UK, is that even possible ?
Kuwait has its own note 10+ 5g middle east edition. Should I return my handset and buy that local version ?
The main question here is:
1- Is my phone hardware or software limited to connecting to Kuwaits 5G network?
2- Is there such thing as 5G working only in UK or is it some BS thrown by the tech guy.
3- anything I can do about it ? Or should I return the handset ?
Thanks
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Depends on the supported 5G bands of the device.
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nintendolinky said:
What version of the phone do they have in Kuwait?
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The one sold in Kuwait and entire middle east is the N976Q variant (SM-N976Q)
after a quick lookup this is the bands supported by their phone. (from samsung UAE website)
5G TDD Sub6
N41(2500), N78(3500)
This is the bands supported by my UK phone
5G TDD Sub6
N78(3500)
Am I in the wrong? I've just spoken to the network engineers of my carrier and they informed me that the bands in Kuwait are as follows (Copied directly from the ministry of communication media page)
- 5G Bands in Kuwait:
Communication and Information Technology Regulatory Authority (الهيئة العامة للاتصالات وتقنية المعلومات) just announced here that 5G implementation in Kuwait will use the 3.5GHz C-Bands and checking on the 5G band wiki states that C-Bands are 3700MHz - 3500MHz - 4700MHz, meaning that none of the routers available in Kuwait currently will support the 5G Bands.
Anyone can chip in on this matter ? they have no note 10+ 5g in Kuwait with 512GB, its the main reason I bought it from the UK because everything here is the 256 variant. and the last thing I want to do is return my phone.
Edit:
Looking at the 5g frequency bands on this website ( giztop dot com/5g-bands/ ) it turns out that the band supported by my UK version is the main stream version supported elsewhere. .
I am starting to think either my firmware is preventing me from benefiting from the foreign 5G network outside the UK thinking I am roaming abroad
OR
The network detects that I am the non local variant of the phone and thus kicking me out of their 5G network
OR
The bands in Kuwait are not N78 band C 3500 as the carrier engineers have informed me
OR
Worse case scenario. My phone is actually faulty! I've gotten the bad apple

Hello , I live in Kuwait and I believe Huawei Ericsson has more control on their 5G unlike 4G which is more open. I believe they register the models numbers of the phone based on region. I know this sound awful and ridiculous but I have Oppo Reno 5G Australian Version and it does support n78 5G band but I could not get it to work with Kuwait 5G. I know a store called alezay.com in Kuwait he sells a lot of 5G phones and the owner was shocked non of his 5G phones work in Kuwait even the Huawei Mate 20x. All of his phones they do support n78 but they don't work because all phones are imported and not from an authorized dealer !
So as I said when a phone is officially released in any country or region it will be registered in the 5G carrier network then it should be granted the service
That's what I have concluded after 4 months of frustration.
Maybe in future unlocking the 5G service will be granted to all based on supported bands instead of royalty 5G towers registering
Good Luck

Same sht is going on in my case, i bought my Note 10plus 5g from Korea and brought it to China, it supports same n78 (3500) so it has to work, when i turn off airplane mode i can see 5g sign (only in 5g covered aria) for a second, and then it switches to LTE, the funny thing is... apparently it's possible to use 5g here with Korean sim card inside over roaming.... i think Samsung did something to prevent people from buying phones from abroad.... what a bummer, Hope android 10 will magically fix the issue..