Hello. I am considering to buy Pixel 6 Pro but unfortunately in my country only the model with 128 GB storage is available. Can somebody with this phone please check how much space is occupied by the OS and default apps and how much is left for user programs and files?
My Pixel 6 Pro says
System: 9,8 GB
Keep in mind though, that Googles own "Apps" come on top of that.
I'll dive into that and give you a few numbers (at least from my phone) of the stock apps (keep in mind that I might have enabled settings/have data that are not stock)
1. Android System Intelligence uses 3.1 GB
2. Google: 1.3 GB
3. Google Play Service: 700 MB
4. Speech Services by Google: 700 MB
5. Photos: 500 MB
6. Camera: 430 MB
7. Pixel Tips: 330 MB
8. GBoard: 330 MB
9. Maps: 210 MB
10. Youtube: 200 MB
11. Phone: 200 MB
12. GMail: 160 MB
13. Recorder: 144 MB
14. Docs: 140 MB
15. Android Accessibility Suite: 120 MB
16. Translate: 80 MB
17. Chrome: 80 MB
18. Google Play Store: 75 MB
19. DUO: 70 MB
20. Android System Webview: 58 MB
21. Pixel Live Wallpaper: 55 MB
22. Google Play Services for AR: 55 MB (don't even know why they are still there, I thought Google killed AR)
23. Drive: 55 MB
24. Android Auto: 55 MB
25. Calendar: 44 MB
26. Voice Access: 42 MB
27. Google Fit: 41 MB
28. Google News: 40 MB
29. Google Pay: 38 MB
30. Google Play Movies & TV: 37,5 MB
31. Googles VR Services: 36 MB (what are they still doing here? o.o)
32. Passes: 31 MB
33. Personal Safety: 31 MB
34. Private Compute Services: 24 MB
35. Keep Notes: 23 MB
36. Files by Google: 22 MB
37. Pixel Buds: 20 MB (I don't even have Pixel Buds...)
38. Contacts: 19 MB
39. Google Support Services: 18 MB
40. Live Transcribe: 17,5 MB
41. Settings Services: 17,5 MB
42. Pixel Launcher: 15,5 MB (did not expect this to be that lightweight)
43. Google Play Protect Service: 15 MB
44. Clock: 14,5 MB
45. Pixel Stand: 13 MB
46. Digital Wellbeing: 13 MB
47. Security HUB: 12,5 MB
48. Device Policy: 12 MB
49. Android Setup: 10,5 MB
50. Carrier Services: 10,5 MB
51. Device Health Services: 10 MB
52. Google Connectivity Services: 7,5 MB
53. Cloud Print: 6 MB
54. Sounds: 6 MB
55. Find my Device: 5 MB
56. Calculator: 5 MB
57. Files: 340 kB
58. Pixel Ambient Services: 305 kB
59. Settings: 260 kB
60. Wireless emergency alerts: 135kB
61. MotionSenseBridge: 130 kB
62. SIM Toolkit: 66 kB
63. Sound Aplifier: 0B (huh?)
Mh, I guess that's also a list of Googles "Bloatware" - I think you can sum the numbers together yourself, enough done on my part!
In real life. 128 GB means approximately 118 GB of file size available. Take away 10 GB system and another 6-8 from "bloat" and in the end you will have about 100 GB of available storage.
Thank you very much for fast response and detailed information. It turns out that android OS and google apps together occupy around 20 GB of space so even the 128 GB version should easily give more than 100 GB for the user which is very good.
neptun2 said:
Thank you very much for fast response and detailed information. It turns out that android OS and google apps together occupy around 20 GB of space so even the 128 GB version should easily give more than 100 GB for the user which is very good.
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You're welcome.
Don't forget that "128 GB" does not mean actually useable 128 GB of file size.
128 GB means that you have about ~ 119 GB of storage available, AFTER that the System files & Google Apps will take their tolls.
For reference:
"In the world of hard disk and SD makers, 1 KB = 1000 bytes (not 1024). So a 128 GB card is 128,000,000,000 bytes.
The computer measures 1 KB = 1024 bytes. So when the card is inserted into the slot, the computer will show the size as: 128,000,000,000/(1024 * 1024 * 1024) or 119.21 GB.
The actual usable space is further reduced by the space allocated by the file allocation table (FAT) and the FAT used while formatting:
NTFS has a block size of 4092 byte. This means that even if you create/store a file of just 1 byte, it will occupy one block or 4092 bytes. The size taken on disc will be multiples of block size
FAT32 is the most common format and portable too. The block size varies by SD card size. For a 128 GB card, it is 32 KB. Apply the same logic here.
exFAT block size also varies as per card/disk size. It is 128 KB for the card of 128 GB but it supports larger disks."
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-> https://www.quora.com/How-much-usable-space-is-available-in-a-128GB-memory-card
Of course. My idea was to have rough estimate how much space is left for user files and apps. I don't care if free space is 102 or 98 GB for example but if it was let's say 60 GB it will be quite a difference. For reference on my oneplus 7 only the system takes 18 GB so pixel definitely looks cleaner than that. I was wondering if i should wait for the 256 GB model to be available but looking at this data most probably i will proceed with the 128 GB model which is currently available in my country.
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Hi,
How to extend memory product?
This product have 128 mb of RAM and 64 mb of RAM in technical fact sheet but only 37.63 mb for storage and 48.02 for program in use
Where is the memory missing?
Thank
Hello!
I have a XDA Orbit des almost a year. I have Windows Mobile 6, with the official ROM, and a 1GB card Kingston.
Sometimes when I run the TomTom or iGo, the phone is restarted. Often, when you keep in the pocket of the trousers, sack and stands. If you give a blow sometimes stops.
I thought it was the micoSD, because I heated the device and changed. Now that is brand new, still the same thing happening.
I am a little desperate why it is not happening and I have to be very careful not to disconnect.
Someone could tell me if there is any reason and method to fix it?
Thank you all!
PS: It is second-hand and I have no invoice or warranty.
How much programmemory (RAM) do you have after a SR? And how much when it resets (when you start tt6). It sounds as if you have to little programmmemory available.
Storage
Total: 32.45 MB
In Use: 21.73 MB
Free: 10.72 MB
After a SR
Program:
Total: 47.90 MB
In use: 25.21 MB
Free: 22.69 MB
With the iGo power
Program:
Total: 47.90 MB
In use: 25.21 MB
Free: 22.69 MB
With the iGo off
Program:
Total: 47.90 MB
In use: 25.30 MB
Free: 22.60 MB
With Pocket CM on
Program:
Total: 47.90 MB
In use: 27.89 MB
Free: 20.01 MB
Should be more then enough free memory (20 MB). Don't have a clue then, maybe HardWare-related?
Some time ago I changed the screen. It could be that. And when I do not microSD on the device is not for the phone. It could be a great connector that did not work well?
I can't find Specs/Datasheet about this "NAND" in S8500.
All I know is it has 2 GByte and maybe it is moviNAND:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/fusionmemory/Products_MoviNAND.html
But how big is exact the RAM ? I think it is Combichip... or second Chip?
1 GByte? Or 512 MB ?
Maybe someone has the correct info found.
Thanx.
Best Regards
There are no phones with a 1 gig of RAM mate, no one is really sure, its either a 256 mb ram chip or a 512 mb chip,
Here an example... what I search for...
As I know most RAM is the half of NAND... in this case moviNAND.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Best Regards
Where did you get that idea? If the NAND was 8gb i really doubt the phone would have 4 gb of ram....
See Link in first Post... you can Download 2 PDFs...
We can see on Memory Chip in Wave S8500 and S8530:
KLM2G1DEDD-A101
1---------K---Memory
2---------L---MOVI NAND/MCP
3---------M---moviNAND
4---------2---2
5---------G---GigaByte
6---------1---NAND1 + Microcontroller----Composition
7---------D---MLC 16G Bit----------------NAND Small Classification
8---------E---3.3V(2.5~3.6)...VCC
9---------D---S3C49VDX01-----------------Controller
10--------D---5th Generation-------------Component Generation (NAND Generation)
11--------
12--------A---FBGA (Halogen-Free, Lead-Free, OSP) (12*16)-----PKG Type
13--------1---EVT1-----------------------Revision
14--------0---NONE-----------------------Speed
15--------1---Normal Sample--------------Reserved
16--------
17--------
18--------
Btw about 8GB...
http://www.phonewreck.com/2010/08/19/samsung-galaxy-s-teardown/
I can count 3 GB SDRAM (2 + 1), but where are to see on Pics?
The K4X1G323B, KLM8G4DEDD and K4X2G323PB represnt the 1Gb DDR SDRAM, 8Gb Managed NAND and 2Gb DDR SDRAM respectively.
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P.S.:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/partnumberDecoder.do
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I can't find Specs/Datasheet about this "NAND" in S8500.
All I know is it has 2 GByte and maybe it is moviNAND:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/fusionmemory/Products_MoviNAND.html
But how big is exact the RAM ? I think it is Combichip... or second Chip?
1 GByte? Or 512 MB ?
Maybe someone has the correct info found.
Thanx.
Best Regards
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it's 0 GByte RAM i think the ram was in CPU or other
the ram in the cpu¿?¿?!¿?!¿?¿!?!¿?!¿?!?¿!¿?!!?!?¿!¿!?!?¿!?!¿?
in the cpu lives a lot of things as the alu... but ram???
guys please clarify. how much is the real RAM of samsung wave? is it 256 or 512 mb??
If we can't find second Memory Chip... then check Service Manual + S5PC110 Manual. Both are here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901416
See Screenshot from S8500 SM.
1 G is marked in orange color...
Application Processor + Memory.
POP not means Prince of Persia.
Found in S5PC110 Manual...
Package on Package (POP) option with MCP is available for small form factor applications.
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If G means Giga Byte... and I think this could be 99 %. Then RAM is 1 Giga Byte.
Because 2 Processors and after Boot I think all OS + Filesystem is loaded into faster RAM... and executed from here... so maybe 512 is reserved... and the other 512 MB is organized and reserved for different things...
JAVA HEAP
bada
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Best Regards
Just to inform you again---Galaxy S and Wave use very similar hardware, but the most important is the application core which differes slightly. However, his slight difference might not hinder in stealing things from Galaxy S firmware. The Galaxy S has got Samsung KB100000WM-A453, ARM C111A AD application core while the Wave has KAC007021M-AET7, ARM C111A AB application core.
Also, The Galaxy S has Samsung KLM8G4DEDD 8GB MLC NAND and the Wave has KLM2G1DEDD 2GB MLC NAND.
AS I KNOW THE RAM WAS 256M not 512M ,and the ram must in CPU , that's the difference ( C111A AB,C111A AD) i think
And bada is a good os , and we just need to root it
so the ram is really 256?
and btw any progress on rooting/hacking the bada os? i hope we could have custom ROMS for samsung wave soon
I like this attached Pic.
About RAM... you can use AT Command:
AT+HEADERINFOSHOW?
Handset will answer:
MemoryName:KAC007021M(S8500)
or
MemoryName:KAC007021M(S8530)
This memory name is visible on Samsung Chip, known as CPU.
Maybe their are other Samsung handsets with same Memory?
Best Regards
I'm trying to understand better memory organization...
2 GB (moviNAND)
We can find Common memory info in handset... (sizes depends on Firmwareversion). I've choosed XXJL2...
First area for MMS + Email = 583,616 KB
Hmmmm. I think this is compressed area. Not real 583 MB... later more.
Folder is somewhere User\Mass\Msg...
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Second area is easier to identify... also in Windows Explorer as Phone with 390 MB. See Screenshots.
Folders are clear.
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Third area is OSP for bada + Java... in Windows Explorer empty... but if we store something in Osp\Sideloading we can see files.
978 MB.
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ca. 582 + 390 + 978 = 1950 MB
This would be full 2 GB I think, not much left...
First tests with Email draft shows that first area seems compressed...
I've attached 2,4 MB Video in nearly empty Email and result is 3,5 MB less.
I'll investigate deeper as I'm not using Email + MMS...
Other areas to fill is much easier...
Best Regards
Only as info, if someone has no more space for install...
These infos in handset are only for first look. As they can be corrupt or "wrong"...
Few sizes are stored here: DefaultContentsSize.ini
Maybe others also in DataBase... maybe also similar file(s) like SThumbDB.tdb from SD Card includes size infos...
Source of Screenshots...
http://www.badanation.de/topic.php?t=3721&page=fst_unread&highlight=
Solution was Full Flash of Firmware with Multiloader ( +FFS).
Best Regards
It seems not compressed...
I've made 10 draft Emails with identical attachments as Test.
Then copied with sTune from Wave. Folder:
User\Mass\Msg\Email\1\Draft...
But then it seems no 4. partition as not enough space left...
So Multiloader not writes into moviNAND...
But if Multiloader all flashes into 512 MB oneNAND, how it works then...
Strange...
Best Regards
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ms means maybe massstorage,0 1 2 = 3 partitions...
mmc0 should be Multimedia Card = SD Card
nf ???
/ f /
/ g /
/ h /
/ a /
/ b /
/ e /
/ d e v / m s 0
/ d e v / m s 1
/ d e v / m s 2
/ d e v / n f 0
/ d e v / n f 1
/ d e v / m m c 0
/dev/nand
/dev/card
/dev/movinand
/ d e v / m s
Samsung KFG4GH6Q4M
Not sure if only in S8530...
But this seems the 512 MB OneNAND in AP.
Thanx.
Best Regards
http://www.samsungwaveforum.com/samsung-wave-discussions/samsung-gt-s8500-ram-clarification/
Here is a text by a men who "Work as Samsung Mobile Asia (CN/KR ops) EC Super"
"This was on the assembly manual and preliminary Bada 1.0 sheet."
joel337 said:
http://www.samsungwaveforum.com/samsung-wave-discussions/samsung-gt-s8500-ram-clarification/
Here is a text by a men who "Work as Samsung Mobile Asia (CN/KR ops) EC Super"
"This was on the assembly manual and preliminary Bada 1.0 sheet."
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Thank u
it really clarify this problem so our waves have 512 mb of Ram
512 mb of Ram
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This is 100 % WRONG info.
Best Regards
In Settings/Taskmanager the Program memory shows 120.14 MB in use with 62.8 free. But when I change the view to Process memory it only totals 45 MB in use.
What don't I understand? Where is the missing memory?
One time I checked the memory and it showed 100.5 free??
Anybody know?
About bada Heap Memory we can look into Internal menu:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906966
About JAVA Heap we can look into:
jwc_properties.ini
3 times in Filesystem, all deletable... but which is the active info?
40 MB or 11 MB?
40 MB could be the difference to 256 MB from bada heap...
Code:
## Limited MVM configuration
MAIN_MEMORY_CHUNK_SIZE = 11534336 # (11 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), [B][COLOR="Red"]11MB[/COLOR][/B]
JAVA_MAX_HEAP_SIZE = 10485760 # (10 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), 10MB
JAVA_MIN_HEAP_SIZE = 1572864 # (1 * 1024 * 1024) + (512 * 1024), 1.5MB
MAX_ISOLATES = 2 # AMS Isolate + One application
Code:
## Limited MVM configuration
MAIN_MEMORY_CHUNK_SIZE = 41943040 # (40 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), [B]40MB[/B]
JAVA_MAX_HEAP_SIZE = 32505856 # (31 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), 31MB
JAVA_MIN_HEAP_SIZE = 2609152 # (2 * 1024 * 1024) + (500 * 1024), 2.5MB
MAX_ISOLATES = 2 # AMS Isolate + One application
More infos comes later. I have an JAVA Midlet from 2007 which shows Heap infos.
I make few tests and post results.
Best Regards
These Midlets are written 2007 for BenQ EF81, SXG75 and so on...
Big Thanx to faterpan.
Result on S8500 is not 100 % correct, but there is an result.
empty.jpg shows Heap if nothing else is running on JL2.
The other Screenshot I started Guitar Hero... and then Heap Midlet.
Goal is to learn more about heap.
Maybe we can increase bada Heap, if we decrease JAVA Heap...
Best Regards
I'm just thinking, but, could MAX ISOLATE count be related to the number of applications that are allowed to multitask? Like 1 in-built app and 1 third party app?
You mean this?
Good idea to start with. I will try if something change if I set to 4 or 5...
Thanx.
Best Regards
Hmmm...
I've modified *.FFS, we can find MAX_ISOLATES 3 times...
I changed 2 into 9...
But after 3 JAVA Midlets finish...
Second try I've opened 3 native Apps, like IM... then also 3 Midlets possible.
Not tested before if I've increase 1...
Is 3 Apps + 3 JAVA Midlets Standard?
Best Regards
Some of the native apps are in the memory all the time, like mail, clock, some can be multitask, like im and web browser, so its hard to say, but if we are talking about apps from market, then 1 is maximum.
for example you can make combination open web im and some WeatherCast(from market)+ 3 java apps + as many as you want native apps that are in memory.
hi adfree
another hole idea>>>>can we reallocate the internal memory of the phone to give it more space to use
like reducining the space of the e-mails by 100mb and put those 100mb for bada apps or add it to a swap space if bada use a swap space(like linux)?????
adfree said:
Hmmm...
I've modified *.FFS, we can find MAX_ISOLATES 3 times...
I changed 2 into 9...
But after 3 JAVA Midlets finish...
Second try I've opened 3 native Apps, like IM... then also 3 Midlets possible.
Not tested before if I've increase 1...
Is 3 Apps + 3 JAVA Midlets Standard?
Best Regards
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The native apps which are java are not considered as java apps and are allocated special system memory like other apps. With standard configuration (Max Isolates=2), after 3 apps, I get a message saying no more apps can be opened. I changed max isolates to 4 and now 5 apps can be opened. I have increased minimum and max heap sizes and now my java apps which require a lot of memory, work smoothly.
There are actually 4 jwc_properties.ini
1st one in AppEx>SysDefault>Java
2nd one in Appex>User>Java
3rd one in Exe>Java
4th one in SystemFS>User>Exe>Java
I am 99% sure the 1st one is for the default java apps. These settings are used for the pre-installed apps.
Either of the 2nd and 3rd ones is for user installed java apps. Don't know which one.
4th one is useless I think since the games folder in that path doesn't have anything. Its an empty folder.
I Have tried finding max free memory available using badasi app on jk1 fw.
When badasI is opened it shows: app free 65-66mb(all apps closed) and lesser value if an app is opened in background(depends on app). but this is mostly avail ram for itself.
I tested using: 19 widgets on 10 homescreens: 30mb ram used & dolphin browser with 3 tabs having yahoo, dailymotion, YouTube in desktop mode, flash and javascript enabled:59mb ram used(can be found out by badasi). Native bada apps can't be used since badasi terminates them.
I Restarted phone, left for 5 min to load widgets and stabilize. Then stared badasi:64mb free, opened dolphin browser with 3sites.. then minimize, badasi restarted: 6mb free, badasi uses 7 mb for itself. finally got "Not enough memory" after trying to open messages. so totally:32+59+6+7=104mb. So after boot 100+mb is available. This gradually decreases with time....!
Regarding the JAVA heap memory it varies, as background JAVA apps start using more memory.... In this case i used UC browser(it shows same memory info in tools-page info) with almost all tabs filled with heavy websites & opera mini with 3 tabs...
Few questions:
1. Does bada have a Garbage collector?
2. The minimum heap memory given to an app is 32mb(http://developer.bada.com/support/faq#a17-1) and it can use more whereas android 2.3 gives maximum 32 mb for wave like devices!, so multitasking of heavy apps will affected in bada 2.0?
Maybe I can free more memory...
For instance I have reduced rsr Language files... to 2 lang Eng + German...
Now 1,5 MB String instead 6 MB...
Screens from modified XXLA1 S8500...
Will add Original Values from unmodified Firmware for compare...
Best Regards
Edit 1...
First Screenshot is directly after first start...
If I restart then around 10 MB less allocated...
Code:
S8500 XXLA1 DBT Unmodified/Original my tweak
Set to English
System memory 564 MB 587 MB
FREE 558 MB 586 MB
Application memory 869 MB 883 MB
FREE 749 MB 881 MB
Internal user memory 391 MB 391 MB
FREE 388 MB 391 MB
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Total Heap Mem. 245,760 K 245,760 K
Allocated Mem. 72,457 K 50,968 K
Fragmenatation Level 2 % 1 %
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