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Upgrading RAM for JasJar

Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??

Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.

decebal said:
Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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what for ? i have found no reason to do it and it will drain too fast the battery.
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What for???????????????????
Because this is the most slowest PDA I holded ever in my hand.
I totally dissapointed with it.
If I install my main programs - not more - the free RAM will be maximum 23-24MB (after a hard reset it is 30-32MB), but when I use it, it decreases itself without any program running.
I start from 22.5MB after softreset, and when I use some programs it decreases (it's normal), but when I close them it is less time after time. So it is not enough to close a program. After 5-10 minutes with starting and closing some program it is 10-12MB free RAM memory without any program running!!!!!!
And what is my problem with it?
Hmmm....
For example a little complicated application (a navigation software) needs 10-15MB minimum.
So if you are lucky, you can start the program, but not more.
Don't imagine that you can use 2 or 3 (or forgive me 4) application simultanously.
That's very nice, isn't it?
Any idea to solve this sh*t?
THX

Thunder2210 said:
Hi All,
Is there a way to Upgrade the RAM for JasJar from 64MB to 128MB ??
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Hi
Asukal already mounted 128MB RAM on mother board.
But unsuccessfull. Memory area does not change.

Storage card
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan

Re: Storage card
WizzarD-me said:
U should try to install the software on the storrage card. Demanding programs like tomtom and high graffical games work great!.
When installing the program from the PC the add programs window opens (u know from active sync) There you can choose not to install the software on it's default location.
Above all that with WM5 you can also choose wether you want to install to your storrage card or on your memory.
Think of it like this:
On your PC:
Would you install your programs on precious RAM memory? That's why we use the hard disk.
cheers Jonathan
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You are in a total misunderstanding, sorry.

Though there are slots for extra 32MB each it cannot b upgraded as the occupied slots are differrent than those which are left empty.Hv tried desoldering the RAM but after desoldering this fact was revealed..so
not possible as of now

I totally agree with Thunder2210 and others that there is a sever shortage of RAM (Program Memory) on this device.
Installing programs on SD card has nothing to do with the available RAM (Program Memory to be more precise). Installing programs on SD card only saves you the ROM (Storage Memory) which is not an issue anyways. The main problem is program memory and as rightly said by some in this thread that this gradually depletes as you work with your device after a soft reset. Try to open a very large web page such as the ones which review pocket pc devices with a lot of comparative pictures and your browser will soon run short of memory ultimately freezing your device.
However I fear that nothing can be done about this. This is probably an issue or limitation that Windows mobile 2005 operating system cannot address memory beyond 64 MB. Probably this is the reason that you must have seen recent devices where the Storage Memory (ROM) is higher than 128 MB but nothing is done about the RAM which remains at 64 MB. Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards

srmz said:
Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM

srmz said:
Unfortunately what we need is more RAM and not ROM.
Regards
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I have to disagree.... What we need is both more RAM and more ROM

just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter

peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.

512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Tuningszocske said:
peter_altherr said:
just my 2 cents:
you may remember, the first device running windows mobile 5 was the good old XDA2, which is basically an old WM2003 device with 128mb ram and 64mb rom, where only 32mb is available for the user. but: the windows mobile running on this version (modified by some brave and good people here) is able to address all the ram, yes and there are different versions available:
128mb ram for running programs but no ramdisk for storing programs
96mb for running programs and 32mb reserved for ramdisk
64mb for running programs and 64mb reserved for ramdisk
etc. etc.
while i was using my XDA2 i have preferred the 96mb ram solution and wm5 was fully able to use those 96mb. even it is an old device, can you imagine how smooth i.e. mobile navigator 5 was running with 64-70mb of free ram (and overclocked from 400 to 530mhz)? it was lots of fun! htc universal is a piece of hightech sh*t, nothing for the real world use, compared to XDA2. i still have mine only for the vga screen otherwise i would have selled it long ago.
regards
peter
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I'm with You Pete. If there is a VGA-PDA-Phone with 128MB RAM I would sell my Jasjar immediately. But there are no better ones. Only worse.
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Check this out........I think U will like:
http://www.mobile88.com/mobilegalle...dvance_tech_magic&pg=spec&prodid=20145&cat=58

Hm... From what do You think we will like it? It has QVGA display. We wrote that one of the most important things is VGA-screen for us. But thanx anyway!

512MB ROM / 8GB Micro Drive ...
Its just the Memory on the ROM..., maybe they will have a VGA screen soon...

lack of ram on Universal
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen

Re: lack of ram on Universal
Yetster said:
not an upgrade unfortunatly but certainly a help is a close button that actually closes things rather than just putting them in the background,
and heres a link to the program i use
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp
its a nice little program so doesn't eat your rom and its unobtrusive so wont clog up your today screen
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Can U please fix the link, it does not work.

i know from my expreiance with BA WM5 rom editing that just soldering the ram on the board is not enough, you will need to find the hex values in the (decrypted) rom file that decideds how much ram the system partitions for itself on boot.
e.g - in BA wm5 roms you can edit these values so that some of the ram is left unpartitioned, leaving it free to be used as a ramdisk.
I see no reason why if someone found these values in a universal rom, combined with soldering on extra ramchips, they could reverse the process and increase the memory windows uses.

www.oesf.org/forums
PocketPenguin. Current plan:
imx31 533mhz ARM11 CPU with internal GPU and FPU
256mb MDDR266
2 SD slots, ATA, Phone (Although this is becoming more useless by the day it seems, looks like the Videocall option is being dropped. Which is 80% of the reason I want the thing. (I want Videocalls but hate Windows Mobile)
Go, Sign up, and put in your requests and comments, Looks to be about $600-$700 total, Although you have to put it together. It's a DIY thing, (Loopholes are so great XD)

for this, I've send a mail to PocketPCTechs.com here it is
Hi LB,
Unfortunately we do not offer any RAM upgrades for the iMATE JASJAR. The nature of the CPU will not recognize any more memory.
Best regards,
Martina
PocketPCTechs
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Computer_Make : IMATE
Computer_Model : JASJAR(Dopod900)
Comments : Hi there, I've sent my HX4700 to you for upgrading the RAM and it works great since it's back. I recently purchased an IMATE-JASJAR,so just wondering do you have any plan that to upgrade its RAM to 128MB/256MB? I really need a biger speace. Please let me know,thanks.
best,
LB.

ROM Question: What's eating my RAM?

Hi everyone,
After a Soft-Reset with TF3D disabled this is what I get:
Program Memory
Total: 107.71 MB
In use: 56.13 MB
Free: 51.58 MB
I am using the EnergyROM for my Touch Diamondm build date July, 22nd.
The HTC Task-Manager shows the following Processes:
HTC Task-Manager said:
gwes.exe --- 11565kb Memory Usage
device.exe --- 3137kb Memory Usage
shell32.exe --- 1749kb Memory Usage
filesys.exe --- 1598kb Memory Usage
services.exe --- 1445kb Memory Usage
cprog.exe --- 822kb Memory Usage
dotTaskMgr.exe --- 96kb Memory Usage
connmgr.exe --- 88kb Memory Usage
NK.exe --- 1kb Memory Usage
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All of these running Processes are using added together 20,541 MB of RAM.
But remember what Windows Mobile said:
Memory in Use: 56,13 MB.
Less the 20,541 MB, which the running Processes are using, there are 35,589 MB, which are reservated or used, but not by running Processes. So my question is:
Who uses the 35,589 MB of RAM, without being shown in the Task-Manager?
Maybe some of you guys knows the Answer
Greets,
Felix

Its the ROM itself which is loaded in the RAM (i guess)..

i also want to konw

Services and things are also loaded into the RAM. There are more than just those processes running. And along with those processes are the images and extra files they use etc which are also loaded in the RAM.
For example the phone canvas - It runs off cprog.exe which says it only takes up 822kb of RAM when in reality it uses up about 8-10MB because of all the images it has to load.
Not to mention the page pool - If the chef runs a higher pagepool then you're RAM usage is going to be higher on boot.

OK, thanks. Is it possible to view the running services and deactivate some of them?

Ch3ck_TH1s_0ut said:
OK, thanks. Is it possible to view the running services and deactivate some of them?
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Yes use dotfred's taskmanager. You can then view the services.
If you really want to save a sizeable chunk of RAM. Disable the HTC dialer and enable the Windows default one. You'll get about 10% back.

allready did that

felix you mean Kb not Mb. 20,000Mb = 20Gb and the phone cannot have that much!

, stands for 20MB and 541 KB
We dont use . or , to show "1000s" here.
we use it to show post decimal positions

dickenz said:
If you really want to save a sizeable chunk of RAM. Disable the HTC dialer and enable the Windows default one. You'll get about 10% back.
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How do you do that?

I also had a go with this version of EnergyROM but gave it up for now due to a lack of memory. When closing apps etc. the memory was never freed back up. I also found TomTom had problems after running for a little while. If there is an answer to this, I would switch back as it's the nicest ROM i've tried to date.

How can i see the detail of rom/ram & cpu in my htc hero
I wan to know whether my htc hero is prefect or not!
So i want to see the detail of rom/ram & cpu in my htc hero, but i did not see it. So how can i do?

the same about up
I just want to see the hardware detail in htc hero.

Memory Question

I just recently got my TP2 in the mail yesterday am I'm new to everything especially window mobile phones. It says that the TP2 has 512 MB ROM and 288 MB RAM but when I check my memory settings it says:
Storage:
Total 285.44MB
In use:52.77MB
Free:232.67MB
Program
Total:188.21MB
In use 89.37MB
Free:98.84
Someone told me that this is right and that the rest of the memory was hidden memory can someone confirm that for me? Thanks!

Welcome to forums
That is correct
The important is the free RAM you have and that will depend in what ROM are you using, as some of them take a lot of RAM and some others leaveyou with more space.
To give you an idea, I´m running Energy ROM and I have free RAM of 60-80Mb
and before I had a clean ROM with no manila and I got 90-110Mb free.
Hope it helped,
And don't forget to vote!

Yeah, quite a lot of that memory is part of the baseband (so it can't be used as regular RAM), a lot more is part of the pagepool (a program memory cache), some by the radio stack, some by the frame buffer and some by the XIP (kernel), so that 288MB of RAM turns out to be much less for practical uses. If you're interested in learning more about how RAM is used in Windows Mobile, this MSDN article helps explain things a bit.

[APP] EatMemory

In light of recent discoveries about the HD2's hidden 128MB RAM, I've written a small application which uses the native Win32 API to allocate as much memory as it can (up to 2GB), and verifies it.
Notes:
This application is designed to test the limits of your device's memory. In particular, to test if the HD2's additional 128MB is actually usable or not.
This application will attempt to allocate as much memory as it can, OS limits notwithstanding. The application allocates memory in the OS's shared memory space, which means that it isn't privy to the usual 32MB address space limit.
Because the application isn't limited to 32MB memory usage, you don't need to run multiple instances to consume your memory. Just one instance will do.
This application does not use .NET, and instead uses the direct low-level kernel memory management functions (VirtualAlloc and VirtualFree) to reserve, commit, and free virtual pages. This means that the application has much more precise control over memory, and can consume memory until only a couple of megabytes remain.
This application verifies the memory it allocates, by writing a byte pattern to the memory, and reading it out again. This is necessary because the Windows CE kernel does not commit pages to physical memory unless the memory page is read/written from at least once. This also guarantees that the memory is, in fact, usable and valid.
The attached zip file includes an executable file and source code (C++, requires Windows Mobile 6 SDK).

hi! i've tryed it in my rom without the hidden ram enabled and the result is:
Success:could not commit pages
memory eaten:132MB
and after the programs close my free ram is 145, i guess last 10mb are not usable for some reaso? (WM6.6 memory management?)
regards

makeveral said:
hi! i've tryed it in my rom without the hidden ram enabled and the result is:
Success:could not commit pages
memory eaten:132MB
and after the programs close my free ram is 145, i guess last 10mb are not usable for some reaso? (WM6.6 memory management?)
regards
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also when used with rom with hidden rams avaliable it closes before it the 1mb is filled

hm, got 180 on my rom

Memory eaten : 276 MB
after 290 MB free

Sorry. This is not working for me... It did not constantly allocate any ram on my device...
with a modified version of my "old" program, i was able to eat up 99% of ram... Still, I think in my first attempt i did proof the existance, cuz i definetly used more then 448 MB of RAM....
greez

Soft-resetted my HD2, run the app. and got 204 MB. So does this proove that I don't have any hidden RAM or not?

everyone has 572mb- stop bothering...

We don´t have the 1. of april, but carneval is still going on, so this may be the reason for this joke i think.

I'm interested if this will work for X1?
it is for HD2
but onyone tst this for X1?
sorry for my bad english

Is 25 minutes to long
I have the htc touch pro with mightyrom and i am running this now. it has been about 25 mins. is that to long or can i assume it does not work on my pro.

Do you think this would work on Rhodium too?
Thanks,

Im getting 272-276mb eaten fairly consistently after the os has been up for a few hours.
and 280-284mb after a soft reset on my HD2

bobcsc said:
I have the htc touch pro with mightyrom and i am running this now. it has been about 25 mins. is that to long or can i assume it does not work on my pro.
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It's odd, it should work on any WM6 (or higher) device.

bobcsc said:
I have the htc touch pro with mightyrom and i am running this now. it has been about 25 mins. is that to long or can i assume it does not work on my pro.
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the results window may get hidden Ive had that a few times.
use a taskmanager to bring it to the front

Work on Diamond 2 (Topaz) ?

abdess47 said:
Work on Diamond 2 (Topaz) ?
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i try out but i don't see any change in ram memory... stil 179mB..

Keep in mind that the application frees up all the memory it chews once it's done. So after the application exits, your amount of free RAM will not be changed. The application should report how much memory it managed to allocate once it's done, and if you open up the memory screen in settings (or whatever) you should see the amount of free memory drop as the program runs.

Sounds like some pretty heavy stuff. this is gonna be huge

I think, this program can be used for cleaning ram
thank.

Heap Memory, bada and JAVA and more

About bada Heap Memory we can look into Internal menu:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906966
About JAVA Heap we can look into:
jwc_properties.ini
3 times in Filesystem, all deletable... but which is the active info?
40 MB or 11 MB?
40 MB could be the difference to 256 MB from bada heap...
Code:
## Limited MVM configuration
MAIN_MEMORY_CHUNK_SIZE = 11534336 # (11 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), [B][COLOR="Red"]11MB[/COLOR][/B]
JAVA_MAX_HEAP_SIZE = 10485760 # (10 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), 10MB
JAVA_MIN_HEAP_SIZE = 1572864 # (1 * 1024 * 1024) + (512 * 1024), 1.5MB
MAX_ISOLATES = 2 # AMS Isolate + One application
Code:
## Limited MVM configuration
MAIN_MEMORY_CHUNK_SIZE = 41943040 # (40 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), [B]40MB[/B]
JAVA_MAX_HEAP_SIZE = 32505856 # (31 * 1024 * 1024) + (0 * 1024), 31MB
JAVA_MIN_HEAP_SIZE = 2609152 # (2 * 1024 * 1024) + (500 * 1024), 2.5MB
MAX_ISOLATES = 2 # AMS Isolate + One application
More infos comes later. I have an JAVA Midlet from 2007 which shows Heap infos.
I make few tests and post results.
Best Regards

These Midlets are written 2007 for BenQ EF81, SXG75 and so on...
Big Thanx to faterpan.
Result on S8500 is not 100 % correct, but there is an result.
empty.jpg shows Heap if nothing else is running on JL2.
The other Screenshot I started Guitar Hero... and then Heap Midlet.
Goal is to learn more about heap.
Maybe we can increase bada Heap, if we decrease JAVA Heap...
Best Regards

I'm just thinking, but, could MAX ISOLATE count be related to the number of applications that are allowed to multitask? Like 1 in-built app and 1 third party app?

You mean this?
Good idea to start with. I will try if something change if I set to 4 or 5...
Thanx.
Best Regards

Hmmm...
I've modified *.FFS, we can find MAX_ISOLATES 3 times...
I changed 2 into 9...
But after 3 JAVA Midlets finish...
Second try I've opened 3 native Apps, like IM... then also 3 Midlets possible.
Not tested before if I've increase 1...
Is 3 Apps + 3 JAVA Midlets Standard?
Best Regards

Some of the native apps are in the memory all the time, like mail, clock, some can be multitask, like im and web browser, so its hard to say, but if we are talking about apps from market, then 1 is maximum.
for example you can make combination open web im and some WeatherCast(from market)+ 3 java apps + as many as you want native apps that are in memory.

hi adfree
another hole idea>>>>can we reallocate the internal memory of the phone to give it more space to use
like reducining the space of the e-mails by 100mb and put those 100mb for bada apps or add it to a swap space if bada use a swap space(like linux)?????

adfree said:
Hmmm...
I've modified *.FFS, we can find MAX_ISOLATES 3 times...
I changed 2 into 9...
But after 3 JAVA Midlets finish...
Second try I've opened 3 native Apps, like IM... then also 3 Midlets possible.
Not tested before if I've increase 1...
Is 3 Apps + 3 JAVA Midlets Standard?
Best Regards
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The native apps which are java are not considered as java apps and are allocated special system memory like other apps. With standard configuration (Max Isolates=2), after 3 apps, I get a message saying no more apps can be opened. I changed max isolates to 4 and now 5 apps can be opened. I have increased minimum and max heap sizes and now my java apps which require a lot of memory, work smoothly.
There are actually 4 jwc_properties.ini
1st one in AppEx>SysDefault>Java
2nd one in Appex>User>Java
3rd one in Exe>Java
4th one in SystemFS>User>Exe>Java
I am 99% sure the 1st one is for the default java apps. These settings are used for the pre-installed apps.
Either of the 2nd and 3rd ones is for user installed java apps. Don't know which one.
4th one is useless I think since the games folder in that path doesn't have anything. Its an empty folder.

I Have tried finding max free memory available using badasi app on jk1 fw.
When badasI is opened it shows: app free 65-66mb(all apps closed) and lesser value if an app is opened in background(depends on app). but this is mostly avail ram for itself.
I tested using: 19 widgets on 10 homescreens: 30mb ram used & dolphin browser with 3 tabs having yahoo, dailymotion, YouTube in desktop mode, flash and javascript enabled:59mb ram used(can be found out by badasi). Native bada apps can't be used since badasi terminates them.
I Restarted phone, left for 5 min to load widgets and stabilize. Then stared badasi:64mb free, opened dolphin browser with 3sites.. then minimize, badasi restarted: 6mb free, badasi uses 7 mb for itself. finally got "Not enough memory" after trying to open messages. so totally:32+59+6+7=104mb. So after boot 100+mb is available. This gradually decreases with time....!

Regarding the JAVA heap memory it varies, as background JAVA apps start using more memory.... In this case i used UC browser(it shows same memory info in tools-page info) with almost all tabs filled with heavy websites & opera mini with 3 tabs...
Few questions:
1. Does bada have a Garbage collector?
2. The minimum heap memory given to an app is 32mb(http://developer.bada.com/support/faq#a17-1) and it can use more whereas android 2.3 gives maximum 32 mb for wave like devices!, so multitasking of heavy apps will affected in bada 2.0?

Maybe I can free more memory...
For instance I have reduced rsr Language files... to 2 lang Eng + German...
Now 1,5 MB String instead 6 MB...
Screens from modified XXLA1 S8500...
Will add Original Values from unmodified Firmware for compare...
Best Regards
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First Screenshot is directly after first start...
If I restart then around 10 MB less allocated...
Code:
S8500 XXLA1 DBT Unmodified/Original my tweak
Set to English
System memory 564 MB 587 MB
FREE 558 MB 586 MB
Application memory 869 MB 883 MB
FREE 749 MB 881 MB
Internal user memory 391 MB 391 MB
FREE 388 MB 391 MB
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Total Heap Mem. 245,760 K 245,760 K
Allocated Mem. 72,457 K 50,968 K
Fragmenatation Level 2 % 1 %
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