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Which phone is significantly better than Pixel 2 XL ?

I am confuse which phone to upgrade right now .. I have switched to few phones i.e HTC U11, P20 pro, S9 Plus, S8 Plus, Honor 10, P20, note 9 etc but none of them impressed me and came back to Pixel 2 XL....Which phone is significantly better than Pixel 2 XL? When I say better I mean better camera, sound and battery life which are three important factor for me in smartphones....new pixel phones are only slight updates ..what options are there in others brands ..It seem there is no prefect phone out there which provide everything without any compromise

In my opinion, not much unless you want to get something from the S10 series. I tried the Xiaomi MI 9 and it just didnt feel right. Specs were good but it just wasnt polished like the pixel phone. I'm personally waiting for the Pixel 4 xl to come out.

equlizer said:
In my opinion, not much unless you want to get something from the S10 series. I tried the Xiaomi MI 9 and it just didnt feel right. Specs were good but it just wasnt polished like the pixel phone. I'm personally waiting for the Pixel 4 xl to come out.
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My wife has the S10+ and lives it. A few years ago she got the S8+ then got the S9+. On the S8+ they started hurtling the experience of you rooted so at that point she said screw it and didn't care about the customization options of rooting. Now she done care at all.
I think if you are in the scene and really enjoy the experience of modifying and squeezing every ounce of whatever gets you off then the S phones are not for you. If on the other hand, you can't really qualify why you root other than just cause it's cool, the S10+ certainly a great phone...
I am really hoping the Pixel 4 XL is a solid improvement with no stupid notch. 6 or 8 megs and a slamming screen need to happen also!!

I don't think there's any phone right now that's "significantly" better to be honest. Maybe just better in some ways. I still think it'll be a couple years before you can say significantly tho.

P30 Pro would be the phone to have but I wouldn't call it the ultimate device to have as that doesn't exist. However it is a great phone no doubt. I'm using the Mate 20 Pro and absolutely love it so my next device would be the Mate 30 Pro.
I had the Pixel 2 XL back in the day and it was an amazing phone. I didn't want to get the 3XL because it seemed like a downgrade. If things get better with the Pixel 4 XL like 4000 mah battery and better body I might give it a try over the Mate 30 Pro. However its going to take a lot to take me away from Huawei now.
I tired many phones and my favorite two are Mate 20 Pro and Pixel 2 XL

What about OnePlus 6T? You can toss in the Google Pixel Camera and the photo quality is surprisingly good. OxygenOS is not my cup of tea but it's pretty close to stock plus there's a lot of Rom support and development.

CyberpodS2 said:
My wife has the S10+ and lives it. A few years ago she got the S8+ then got the S9+. On the S8+ they started hurtling the experience of you rooted so at that point she said screw it and didn't care about the customization options of rooting. Now she done care at all.
I think if you are in the scene and really enjoy the experience of modifying and squeezing every ounce of whatever gets you off then the S phones are not for you. If on the other hand, you can't really qualify why you root other than just cause it's cool, the S10+ certainly a great phone...
I am really hoping the Pixel 4 XL is a solid improvement with no stupid notch. 6 or 8 megs and a slamming screen need to happen also!!
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I have tried many samsung phones from Samsung s6/ S7 edge to S9 Plus/Note 9 but I have got same sort of experience ..Not much improvement in design, Display, software and camera ..only slight tweak here and there. I compared s7 edge photo with S9 plus and they were pretty much same and even s7 edge has better result and details in some photos thats why I did not went for S10 ..Samsung old phones offer same experience in less price .. I am also not big fan of curve edge screen which are slippery and not easy to grip because you accidently touch screen while holding it ..If I will ever get any phone from S10 series then will opt for s10 e even though its battery is small but Samsung software even one UI with latest hardware was not as fluid as pixel or ios

Hazzay88 said:
P30 Pro would be the phone to have but I wouldn't call it the ultimate device to have as that doesn't exist. However it is a great phone no doubt. I'm using the Mate 20 Pro and absolutely love it so my next device would be the Mate 30 Pro.
I had the Pixel 2 XL back in the day and it was an amazing phone. I didn't want to get the 3XL because it seemed like a downgrade. If things get better with the Pixel 4 XL like 4000 mah battery and better body I might give it a try over the Mate 30 Pro. However its going to take a lot to take me away from Huawei now.
I tired many phones and my favorite two are Mate 20 Pro and Pixel 2 XL
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I have not tried p30 pro or mate 20 pro but had p20 pro. I purchased p20 pro after DxO mark gave it high score in camea but to be hoenst camera was big disappointment especially when taking photos of human faces, children, moving object etc....skin tone was like as if its oil painting ..very artificial looking and this was when Master AI feature was turned off ..Camera was great for static object and low light photography . It was downgrade from pixel 2 ..now I don't trust DxO mark thats why did not went for mate 20 pro or p30 pro because they got very much same score ..They no doubt offer great package but I still have some doubt about camera and software but I will take Huawei flagship over Samsung any day

liriolebron said:
What about OnePlus 6T? You can toss in the Google Pixel Camera and the photo quality is surprisingly good. OxygenOS is not my cup of tea but it's pretty close to stock plus there's a lot of Rom support and development.
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Oneplus 6T is probably my second best after pixel/ios when we consider software experience but camera is still not among top and I am looking forward what Oneplus 7 bring in few days . If its camera prove to be as good as pixel 3 and bring strero speaker then I will take it without any hesitation ..Its better to buy oneplus phone as brand new because they hold their value unlike others flagship

Rajaasim1980 said:
Oneplus 6T is probably my second best after pixel/ios when we consider software experience but camera is still not among top and I am looking forward what Oneplus 7 bring in few days . If its camera prove to be as good as pixel 3 and bring strero speaker then I will take it without any hesitation ..Its better to buy oneplus phone as brand new because they hold their value unlike others flagship
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I've been very happy with my 2 XL since its release, but since I'm on T-Mobile, I'm seriously looking at the OnePlus 7 Pro. It looks like a great phone at a great price, plus it supports 600 MHz and 5G.

Better in term of specs or user experience?
5G is coming coverage or support is very small for now. I am waiting for Pixel XL 5 or 6 to replace my current P2XL.
As long as Google is updating, I am not replacing my phone
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JimSmith94 said:
I've been very happy with my 2 XL since its release, but since I'm on T-Mobile, I'm seriously looking at the OnePlus 7 Pro. It looks like a great phone at a great price, plus it supports 600 MHz and 5G.
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Share your experience with us once you get your hand on oneplus 7 pro
Reviews suggesting that camera is still weak point of oneplus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWLD3064Ng

mxmarcus said:
Better in term of specs or user experience?
5G is coming coverage or support is very small for now. I am waiting for Pixel XL 5 or 6 to replace my current P2XL.
As long as Google is updating, I am not replacing my phone
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I don't care about latest specs to be honest but camera , battery and great sound is my priority ..I like stock and close to stock software as well . rest I don't care ram is 4GB or 6/8GB and whther its running SD 835 or 845/855 etc because they hardly make any difference in real life experience except feeling good factor of having latest and greatest

Rajaasim1980 said:
Share your experience with us once you get your hand on oneplus 7 pro
Reviews suggesting that camera is still weak point of oneplus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWLD3064Ng
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I'm not much of a photographer so the camera doesn't matter much to me. I'm thinking now that I'll wait to see what the Pixel 4 XL and the OnePlus 7 Pro 5G look like before I decide what or if I'll switch.

I've had the mate 20 pro and mi 8 since my pixel last year and guess what I've bought again. Yes the pixel 2 xl

sutty86 said:
I've had the mate 20 pro and mi 8 since my pixel last year and guess what I've bought again. Yes the pixel 2 xl
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There are few things which bother me about pixel 2 XL
1) speaker is nice when playing music /youtube but is low during video call on WhatsApp, skype etc ..earpiece/mic quality is also average. Call quality of iphone xr was another level
2) brightness is not great and often i need to drag brightness slider to 90 percent when brightness of samsung and even cheap redmi note series was more than enough at 40/50 percent

I disagree with the brightness , mine is on par with the other phones I've had...
Loudspeaker quality you could always root and tinker with XML files

sutty86 said:
I disagree with the brightness , mine is on par with the other phones I've had...
Loudspeaker quality you could always root and tinker with XML files
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It might be on par with other phones you've had but that doesn't mean it's not low. It's only rated at a max of 483 nits when other phones are double that at max auto brightness.
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EeZeEpEe said:
It might be on par with other phones you've had but that doesn't mean it's not low. It's only rated at a max of 483 nits when other phones are double that at max auto brightness.
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I have turned adaptive brightness off because it was always more dark than my taste
I think behaviour of brightness slider have been changed after pie update because it get bright only when drag slider all the way to right side at 80 percent indoor and at 90/95 percent outdoor

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I have turned adaptive brightness off because it was always more dark than my taste
I think behaviour of brightness slider have been changed after pie update because it get bright only when drag slider all the way to right side at 80 percent indoor and at 90/95 percent outdoor
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Yes the brightness slider became linear with Android Pie.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...c-brightness-slider-introduced-android-p-dp3/
So 50% on the slider is truly 50% of what the screen is capable of. So for the Pixel 2 XL it should be around 242 nits. And for something like a Samsung S9+ or S10+, 50% should be around 500+ nits since they have a max 1000+ nits rating.
For me, adaptive brightness does fine. Goes to 100% in bright outdoors and is bright enough indoors and low enough for low light. The idea is you're supposed to make adjustments to your liking and eventually you don't have to make them anymore. I "calibrate" mine by putting my phone to 0% when in pitch black. After that it's fine for me in all lighting conditions.
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Disappointed in the camera

I've just got the Note 10+ 5G coming from a Huawei Mate 20 Pro and the camera on this is disappointing to say the least. I haven't tested it in good lighting conditions, but in low light the Mate 20 Pro wipes the floor with this.
I can't actually believe just how big the difference is. Unless I'm doing something wrong? For a start, I can't find where you set the resolution of the cameras. Or can you not select it?

I also coming from Mate 20 Pro and Pixel 3 XL. And also not very happy with the camera. Yes, Mate 20 Pro is better at night indeed but not at day time. Pixel 3 XL seems took better pictures most of the time . Apart from that, the phone overall is much better that anything I had before.

I have an 11 pro max and n10+. I brought both to my brothers house on Christmas to take photos of my family. I used the iPhone and note side by side. The note absolutely couldn’t handle trying to catch my nephew in motion. I used the iPhone for most of the night and every shot was beautiful and not grainy in medium light. Not pleased with the note camera at all.

dooku77 said:
I have an 11 pro max and n10+. I brought both to my brothers house on Christmas to take photos of my family. I used the iPhone and note side by side. The note absolutely couldn’t handle trying to catch my nephew in motion. I used the iPhone for most of the night and every shot was beautiful and not grainy in medium light. Not pleased with the note camera at all.
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That's the main reason I sold my wifes S10+ and bought a Pixel 4. Nearly impossible to take pics of people while moving.
I have the same setup with the Note 10+ and the iPhone 11 pro Max. I use the iPhone for photos much more often than the Samsung.

AllTheWay said:
That's the main reason I sold my wifes S10+ and bought a Pixel 4. Nearly impossible to take pics of people while moving.
I have the same setup with the Note 10+ and the iPhone 11 pro Max. I use the iPhone for photos much more often than the Samsung.
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I’m getting ready to return the n10+.

Lol

I agree. My OnePlus 7 Pro takes better photos indoors than my Note 10 +. During the day there's little difference but indoor photos are blurry if anyone moves even slightly on the N10+. It seems like with each update it has gotten worse but it could just be because I have been taking more photos in different places because of the holidays and never noticed that it was that bad.

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I’m getting ready to return the n10+.
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I returned mine the day after Christmas because it blurred and softened all the pics I took while the family was unwrapping presents. I went back to the Pixel 4XL.

ajsmsg78 said:
I agree. My OnePlus 7 Pro takes better photos indoors than my Note 10 +. During the day there's little difference but indoor photos are blurry if anyone moves even slightly on the N10+. It seems like with each update it has gotten worse but it could just be because I have been taking more photos in different places because of the holidays and never noticed that it was that bad.
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Interesting, I actually had this issue with the OP 7 Pro. If subjects were completely still, I'd do ok and get them in the shot nicely, but as soon as there was movement, or it came time to take pictures of people at night, it did pretty bad.

knife2240 said:
I returned mine the day after Christmas because it blurred and softened all the pics I took while the family was unwrapping presents. I went back to the Pixel 4XL.
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I only have one nephew and I feel like these years as a baby are very important for me to document and the most basic function of good pictures are sometimes very hard to achieve with the note camera. Maybe I’ll give it a try again with the note 11.

I've cleared the camera app data, reset the camera settings and wiped the cache partition and after restarting the phone it seems to have sorted itself out.
I'll do some more testing and see how it performs now.

dooku77 said:
I only have one nephew and I feel like these years as a baby are very important for me to document and the most basic function of good pictures are sometimes very hard to achieve with the note camera. Maybe I’ll give it a try again with the note 11.
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I might try the S11 but I am definitely going to wait until others report back. The two best cameras this year are the Pixel 4 and Iphone 11 pro max. I had the pro max for almost two weeks and the camera is great but returned it because of ios being so restrictive. If it wasn't for that I would have kept it. The flat screen, build quality and camera are top notch.
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I've cleared the camera app data, reset the camera settings and wiped the cache partition and after restarting the phone it seems to have sorted itself out.
I'll do some more testing and see how it performs now.
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My issue with the camera comes when the lighting isn't the best and the subject is moving. If the lighting is in full daylight it works great besides over smoothing with the processing. I really hope Samsung fixes all this with the S11. If not I will look elsewhere.

I totally agree with all of you. If my grandson moves even just a little picture is very very blurry. And forget about taking pictures while my son is playing basketball.
SM-N935F NOTE FE

dooku77 said:
I only have one nephew and I feel like these years as a baby are very important for me to document and the most basic function of good pictures are sometimes very hard to achieve with the note camera. Maybe I’ll give it a try again with the note 11.
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I know exactly how you feel. I have a 7 week old and a 22 month old. I need those pictures to be perfect to capture there moments. Perfect example for today. My wife and I took out eldest son to the park. He was on the swing and she was able to capture our son swinging in live focus or portrait mode or whatever you want to call it perfectly with 0 blur on her Pixel 4. I know my Note 10+ would not be able to do that.

AllTheWay said:
I know exactly how you feel. I have a 7 week old and a 22 month old. I need those pictures to be perfect to capture there moments. Perfect example for today. My wife and I took out eldest son to the park. He was on the swing and she was able to capture our son swinging in live focus or portrait mode or whatever you want to call it perfectly with 0 blur on her Pixel 4. I know my Note 10+ would not be able to do that.
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For today’s lunch with family, my 11 pro max captured everything with zero blur and wonderful lighting. I brought along the Note on a little tripod to take photos of all of us and use the stylus as the shutter button. One photo and I was disappointed.

Coderedpl said:
Interesting, I actually had this issue with the OP 7 Pro. If subjects were completely still, I'd do ok and get them in the shot nicely, but as soon as there was movement, or it came time to take pictures of people at night, it did pretty bad.
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It seems like as OnePlus updated the camera got better and as Samsung updated the camera got worse. It's very strange.

You guys need to learn to use pro mode on the camera.
The pictures in bad light looks good!
I know the Mate does better pure night shots and that's ok, but the Note is pretty good when using the right settings.

lyzgaard said:
You guys need to learn to use pro mode on the camera.
The pictures in bad light looks good!
I know the Mate does better pure night shots and that's ok, but the Note is pretty good when using the right settings.
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I know how to use Pro Mode on the camera but it makes no difference on my Note 10 +, pics indoors still don't come out all that good.

ajsmsg78 said:
I know how to use Pro Mode on the camera but it makes no difference on my Note 10 +, pics indoors still don't come out all that good.
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All of the 2019 Samsungs choose a lower shutter speed vs my 4XL and P30 for any given scene this is IMO why they struggle with any movement at all. I sold my Note 10+ before Christmas but picked up a second hand S10 as I found one in Cardinal red! Camera between the two is pretty much identical. Pro mode and effectively shooting in shutter priority helps a little but then you then get a little more of that Samsung smoothing plus you cannot do this if you want to use night mode. I just think that Samsung used the same main camera hardware this year as they did with the S9 and we are paying the price.
A good example below of my cat over Christmas, S10, P30 Pro and 4XL. Pixel and P30 are close the Samsung way behind, not like the cat was jumping around either. Samsung is the first one

I haven't had time yet to proper play with all settings, but why don't you guys use gcam if you're not happy with the Samsung camera app.
I've got the note10+ 5g and am still on latest android 9 patch as 10 update isn't out for my 5g version yet.
Both with Samsung camera and gcam I don't get blurry pictures when trying to catch my 5 year old twins when they're jumping up and down. Believe me, they will NOT sit still for anything, let alone a picture. Although gcam seems to edge it slightly on the no blur front.
So maybe give that a whirl.

S20U have big software problem?

Hi to all
I watch so many YT videos about camera comparison and see so many bad things about S20U camera. Is that because still camera software in beta or it is just what S20U is?
I watch S20U vs:
- Note 10 Plus,
- Huawei P40 Pro,
- Xiaomo Mi10,
- Iphone 11 Pro
And yes S20U have new big camera sensor but still they are no big improvements in night shoot's, astophotography, zoom, night videos, portret and etc.. And every phone have better camera in most situation. Whats wrong with S20U? Will Samsung fix this with software updates?
All the best

Not quite sure how you think most phones have a better camera but from someone who ACTUALLY has an S20U I can tell you this camera is fantastic. And with every update will continue to get better and better.
Feel free to not purchase it though. It isn't for everyone.

FinalBossJay said:
Not quite sure how you think most phones have a better camera but from someone who ACTUALLY has an S20U I can tell you this camera is fantastic. And with every update will continue to get better and better.
Feel free to not purchase it though. It isn't for everyone.
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Come on now. You know that's not exactly true. This phone has pretty serious camera issues, from poor optics to focus problems, etc. It's not a terrible camera, but it is not worth the price tag. Samsung has to do a lot more work on the software side to make it better. I've had the phone since launch and while updates did improve things, it still falls short compared to other flagships. Both iPhone 11 Pro and Pixel 4 take better photos (I have those phones too), as does Note 10+ in most cases (I have it too for comparison). With that said, it is possible to take good photos with the S20 Ultra, so it's not all bad.

If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville! Other than the camera however The 120hz screen rocks, 5g works good depending on your coverage area. It's also a speedy phone. At least my US Unlocked 512gb version is. But if your buying the phone expecting a mobile photography studio like Samsung is hyping in their ads you can forget that BS now because that's what it is. Just plain BS! That is not to say the cameras can't take good pictures or the software won't get better. It just means if your expecting a DSLR or Wonder Miracle camera on a phone it ain't happening. There is a reason those $10,000 DSLR lenses take great night time photos and cost so much. You will never achieve that quality on a phone camera.

I'm one of the few people who buys phone not for the camera but making receiving calls, YouTube media consumption social networking camera is bottom of the list.
I think the camera and video is brilliant and better then most flagship. Its good for an average consumer use for expert photographers not to sure as don't know enough. The good thing is most of us aren't experts.
I prefer the s20 plus as its slimmer and has less protruding camera. Its better buy then huawei as g services are missing and better software and screen. Better then oppo due to mainly software and less curved screen. Oppo could have been my choice were it not for the curved screen. I hate that, most overrated and wasted tech.
Thats my rant and impression of Samsung s20.

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If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville!
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That would make more sense than paying 17% more for a 6% larger screen. The battery is also 11% larger, but the plus is also lighter and thinner, especially at the camera bump. The cameras are the most significant difference between the two, it would only make sense for that to be the main motivating factor in paying the premium (especially considering the plus is tending to get marked down more).

Paul_Deemer said:
If anyone bought the Ultra Solely for the camera then that was Dumbassville! Other than the camera however The 120hz screen rocks, 5g works good depending on your coverage area. It's also a speedy phone. At least my US Unlocked 512gb version is. But if your buying the phone expecting a mobile photography studio like Samsung is hyping in their ads you can forget that BS now because that's what it is. Just plain BS! That is not to say the cameras can't take good pictures or the software won't get better. It just means if your expecting a DSLR or Wonder Miracle camera on a phone it ain't happening. There is a reason those $10,000 DSLR lenses take great night time photos and cost so much. You will never achieve that quality on a phone camera.
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The camera is literally the one reason to go for the Ultra vs. the Plus. Screen and battery size difference are insignificant in this decision, so no, Samsung does need to step up and make the Ultra worthy of its name. With that said, I am not expecting DSLR quality. I have a 5D Mark IV and some very high end lenses and know the difference. However, matching or beating the Pixel 4 series or the iPhone 11 Pro shouldn't be a problem for the camera setup on the Ultra, except Samsung botched the implementation badly.

isko01 said:
Hi to all
I watch so many YT videos about camera comparison and see so many bad things about S20U camera. Is that because still camera software in beta or it is just what S20U is?
I watch S20U vs:
- Note 10 Plus,
- Huawei P40 Pro,
- Xiaomo Mi10,
- Iphone 11 Pro
And yes S20U have new big camera sensor but still they are no big improvements in night shoot's, astophotography, zoom, night videos, portret and etc.. And every phone have better camera in most situation. Whats wrong with S20U? Will Samsung fix this with software updates?
All the best
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Agree with you.
Pay 1400$ for S20U
- BATTERY not good than 11 pro max or oppo find x2 or p40 pro
- Exynos 990 so bad ( ex 990 < kirin 990 < sd 865)
- Camera can not take the moment well as iphone or other phone. Can't focus well, but photo and video day light is ok.
- screen ok but oppo find x2 pro's screen are better
Sorry for my bad english.
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About Camera:
Have S20 Ultra hardware that can improve with software? Or should I go for Mi 10?
Thank you

Question Hinge quality

Hey guys.
How is your hinge on the Fold3 compared when you used a Fold2?
My hinge feels more loose compared to it, not stronger or more tight.
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I mean how does it feel when you open and close it? Tight or loose?
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Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.

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Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.
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It doesn't matter now. I returned the device. Thanks for your reply
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Café King said:
It doesn't matter now. I returned the device. Thanks for your reply
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That's one way to solve a problem! Lol. Sorry it didn't work out, better luck with the next device. Cheers

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That's one way to solve a problem! Lol. Sorry it didn't work out, better luck with the next device. Cheers
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Thanks. I bought a S21 Ultra 16 GB ram version. I'm happy with it
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atvxda said:
Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.
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Samsung says it's improved; more dust and water resistant.

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Samsung says it's improved; more dust and water resistant.
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Correct, it is. As I had mentioned, owned both. Fold3 should feel noticeably tighter. The original Q posted was regarding the hinge feeling loser than the previous generation Fold.

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Thanks. I bought a S21 Ultra 16 GB ram version. I'm happy with it
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It's a great phone. Prior to getting into the Fold2, I traded in my trusty Note 10 Plus and gave my wife my N20U. I hope for the next Fold to include the N20U or S20U's camera hardware.

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It's a great phone. Prior to getting into the Fold2, I traded in my trusty Note 10 Plus and gave my wife my N20U. I hope for the next Fold to include the N20U or S20U's camera hardware.
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If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
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Café King said:
If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
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I don't feel the shots are bad, I've been able to capture nice photos with the rear, I would prefer a longer zoom telephoto. That would come in handy. Otherwise, pics come out solid. B, not an A camera though. Lol. There's a long list of wants for the next iteration of the Fold brand. Camera's is definitely on the list.
Honestly, I can't go back to a normal slab. The first Fold may have been gimmicky, however the Fold 2 and 3 most definitely showcase the progression and I'm all for it especially now with S pen support.

Café King said:
If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
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Got mine today, cams are ****. There's no masking it with sweet words. Coming from 12 pro max, a cam beast
Thats aside I'm in love with my fold 3

eswar539 said:
Got mine today, cams are ****. There's no masking it with sweet words. Coming from 12 pro max, a cam beast
Thats aside I'm in love with my fold 3
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Funny enough in a video I saw they where 3 people doing a comparing with s21 ultra, fold 3 and 12 Pro max and if I remember it right for them fold 3 won and 12 Pro max lost. S21 ultra came 2nd or if it was s21 ultra first and fold 3 2nd can't remember. But 12 Pro max failed in alot of their pictures such as it caused sky behind to be clearly white and other stuff that made them vote 12 Pro max voted out.

Jake.S said:
Funny enough in a video I saw they where 3 people doing a comparing with s21 ultra, fold 3 and 12 Pro max and if I remember it right for them fold 3 won and 12 Pro max lost. S21 ultra came 2nd or if it was s21 ultra first and fold 3 2nd can't remember. But 12 Pro max failed in alot of their pictures such as it caused sky behind to be clearly white and other stuff that made them vote 12 Pro max voted out.
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don't know about them, but fold 3 cant take pictures if the subject moves even a little, it comes out blurry also most of my photos came out in beauty mode like some kind of paintings. i have turned off all the beauty or enhancer settings
its takes some seconds before processing the images like in 2019 lol
all my above experience is from indoor photos. maybe it performs better in outdoor, will check it tomorrow
but there is no way fold 3 beats iPhone in cam section. period
inner screen is so beautiful

Café King said:
Hey guys.
How is your hinge on the Fold3 compared when you used a Fold2?
My hinge feels more loose compared to it, not stronger or more tight.
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tightness 7/10
at the same time it feels perfect
build like a tank as someone said
btw this is my 1st fold.

eswar539 said:
don't know about them, but fold 3 cant take pictures if the subject moves even a little, it comes out blurry also most of my photos came out in beauty mode like some kind of paintings. i have turned off all the beauty or enhancer settings
its takes some seconds before processing the images like in 2019 lol
all my above experience is from indoor photos. maybe it performs better in outdoor, will check it tomorrow
but there is no way fold 3 beats iPhone in cam section. period
inner screen is so beautiful
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Check your settings, set up. Something not right, even my 10+ doesn't lag like that.
Try clearing cam data and clearing the system cache.
Try using the tracking mode for moving subjects. Also pan back a bit to give more depth of field; the closer you are, the less depth of field and less room for AF errors. These are fast lens... your not shooting at f/5.6 or 8.

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Check your settings, set up. Something not right, even my 10+ doesn't lag like that.
Try clearing cam data and clearing the system cache.
Try using the tracking mode for moving subjects. Also pan back a bit to give more depth of field; the closer you are, the less depth of field and less room for AF errors. These are fast lens... your not shooting at f/5.6 or 8.
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Tracking mode already on. Still same. Lol my wife still using the 10 plus. Same nightmare camera. Anyway I try the cam outdoors tomorrow. But indoors there's are lot of problems
Anyway I'm not worried about about the cam but i will certainly miss it
We can't have everything right. After using this for few hrs iphone feels like 5yrs behind in technology

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Tracking mode already on. Still same. Lol my wife still using the 10 plus. Same nigh are camera. Anyway I try the cam outdoors tommorow. But indoors there's are lot of problems
Anyway I'm not worried about about the cam but i will certainly miss it
We can't have everything right. After using this for few hrs iphone feels like 5yrs behind in technology
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Try using any of this junk after shooting with a pro cam and lens
The shutter release sucks unless I use my spen.
They do pretty good. Shooting is more the shooter than camera, learn the cam's limitations.
I got to admit though it's hard to take a bad shot with the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 wide open if you frame the shot right. It just grabs it.

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Try using any of this junk after shooting with a pro cam and lens
The shutter release sucks unless I use my spen.
They do pretty good. Shooting is more the shooter than camera, learn the cam's limitations.
I got to admit though it's hard to take a bad shot with the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 wide open if you frame the shot right. It just grabs it.
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what i mean is, i don't need to do these things(change that this) in 12 pro max, just point and shoot, the shots looks like a pro
but with fold 3 cam i need to be like a statue to take some nice shots

eswar539 said:
what i mean is, i don't need to do these things(change that this) in 12 pro max, just point and shoot, the shots looks like a pro
but with fold 3 cam i need to be like a statue to take some nice shots
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Try using active focus. The shutter lag is long too. It's hard to get a AF lock up on the eye, my Canon AF did that easily most times. You can also try manual focus but unlike a pro cam the phone controls are a true pain to try to use.
I don't buy these phones for their cams so it's not a huge point of contention to me but I do notice it.
Plain Jane iPhone... no way, they bore me to tears. Memory is way over priced as well and they support the CCP.
Samsung Android is a lot easier to suck up.
Samsung is still the most customizable stock phone on the planet... you decide how it looks.
It's a totally different animal that requires more user input and knowledge because of all the freedom to choose.
Learning is easy though... just play with it.

Question P6P or P6?

If this is asked, I didn't see it but I wanted to ask the guys using the P6P before I decide which way I'm going, are you happy with the 6P or would trade down for the P6 Pro? And I ask this as someone who always goes with the bigger version (P4 XL, currently for example).
I'm guessing there are some of yo have test-driven both.
And if so, I'm curious about why or why not?? The extra $300 is a little harder to swallow 2 months after buying a house in an inflating economy...

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If this is asked, I didn't see it but I wanted to ask the guys using the P6P before I decide which way I'm going, are you happy with the 6P or would trade down for the P6 Pro? And I ask this as someone who always goes with the bigger version (P4 XL, currently for example).
I'm guessing there are some of yo have test-driven both.
And if so, I'm curious about why or why not?? The extra $300 is a little harder to swallow 2 months after buying a house in an inflating economy...
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I decided on the pro for the LTPO display and the 48 telephoto. I learned quickly that 120hz eats the battery so I keep it at 60 which helps a LOT.
Other than that if I had a choice to go back and save the 300 I probably would. It's not that much better. And the stereo speakers are not balanced AT all.

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I decided on the pro for the LTPO display and the 48 telephoto. I learned quickly that 120hz eats the battery so I keep it at 60 which helps a LOT.
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That's actually - at the moment - not true. There seems to be a strange bug.
Pixel 6 Pro Consuming More Power In 60Hz Mode Than In 120Hz One
The Google Pixel 6 Pro seems to be consuming more power in 60Hz mode, than it does in 120Hz mode. Needless to say, this is not normal, as higher refresh
www.androidheadlines.com

Gytole said:
I decided on the pro for the LTPO display and the 48 telephoto. I learned quickly that 120hz eats the battery so I keep it at 60 which helps a LOT.
Other than that if I had a choice to go back and save the 300 I probably would. It's not that much better. And the stereo speakers are not balanced AT all.
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I appreciate that. It's one of the reasons that I not sure which way to go, in that I don't need the enhanced resolution because I don't watch video on my phone or play games. It's just a nice feature to have it I guess but it's not a deal-breaker. The extra size is nice but mostly it's performance that I look for and from what I've read it's not a huge difference between devices.
Thanks for the input!

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If this is asked, I didn't see it but I wanted to ask the guys using the P6P before I decide which way I'm going, are you happy with the 6P or would trade down for the P6 Pro? And I ask this as someone who always goes with the bigger version (P4 XL, currently for example).
I'm guessing there are some of yo have test-driven both.
And if so, I'm curious about why or why not?? The extra $300 is a little harder to swallow 2 months after buying a house in an inflating economy...
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I'm very happy with the P6 Pro and don't want to miss it. I come from the Pixel 4 XL, so the new wide cam is a nice addition. Considering that the P6 Pro has a magnificent Tele zoom (better than the new IPhones), there is no way that I would go to the Pixel 6 non pro, certainly not for "just" 300 bucks. There are just too many arguments - that matter to me - that make the Pixel 6 Pro the better value for my money.
If we would live in a better world, the Pixel 6 would have the same size than the older "non" xl/pro versions - so in that case, if the Pixel 6 would be a small phone, I would maybe consider it. But since the Pixel 6 is as big as the P6 Pro...
Jea, nah. No.

My main reason for buying the Pro was because of the 512 GB storage model available only on the Pro. Bought one for both my wife and me.
If there was a 512 GB model available for the P6, I would've seriously considered it. I have no regrets buying the P6P, though.

welcome to the indecisiveness club. The pro has that curve which Im not sure about but on the regular 6 you loose that QHD display(my 2 XL has it) and loose telephoto. Hell I can't even decide if want either new device with the fingerprint complaints LOL.

I tried out both the 6 and the Pro over the weekend. Colour temperature of the screen was a bit different, but I couldn't see a difference in clarity (resolution) at arm's length. Small difference in phone size. The telephoto on the Pro was super nice, but the curved screen was awful - hit edge of screen when holding phone. I'm going to put on a case, which should help, but the feel in the hand and curved screen were enough to push me to save the $.
I'm on T-mobile, who theoretically have some mmwave coverage, but at least today I don't think I am going to miss those bands in real-time use (heck, the LTE bands barely penetrate my building).

If you like bigger, more development, and price point, then try the Pro...

I do have both phones. Wife murdering me ugh.
Ordered the Cloudy White Pixel 6 Pro originally, and had it delivered, and upon opening the box and looking over this super cool new phone, the curved edge display jumped out at me, not in a good way. The screen edges looked like an old Samsung Galaxy phone from years ago, just a dated look, and they add absolutely nothing useful to the phone. Feels more like a Samsung phone, not a Google Pixel.
Plus tapping on the phone or using the keyboard, there's this strange hollow feel behind the 6 Pro, hard to describe until you have it in your hands, but it feels sort of cheap.
I then went to T-Mobile, picked up a Seamfoam green Pixel 6, and my goodness, night and day better. Just feels rock solid, the FLAT screen a dream. This Pixel 6 feels more Google type, and just a nicer phone to hold and use.
But I will admit, the 6 Pro does feel slightly faster and smoother than the 6.

If you have to question if the extra $300 is worth it for the 6 Pro, just go for the 6. The 6 is the Pixel for most people anyway. I went with the 6 Pro because I want the best Google has to offer and the 6 isn't it. I'm a previous 2 XL and 4 XL owner.

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If you have to question if the extra $300 is worth it for the 6 Pro, just go for the 6. The 6 is the Pixel for most people anyway. I went with the 6 Pro because I want the best Google has to offer and the 6 isn't it. I'm a previous 2 XL and 4 XL owner.
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And that's just it. I always go for the bigger model, but times are a little tough right now, which is the only reason I'm even debating one or the other

Morgrain said:
I'm very happy with the P6 Pro and don't want to miss it. I come from the Pixel 4 XL, so the new wide cam is a nice addition. Considering that the P6 Pro has a magnificent Tele zoom (better than the new IPhones), there is no way that I would go to the Pixel 6 non pro, certainly not for "just" 300 bucks. There are just too many arguments - that matter to me - that make the Pixel 6 Pro the better value for my money.
If we would live in a better world, the Pixel 6 would have the same size than the older "non" xl/pro versions - so in that case, if the Pixel 6 would be a small phone, I would maybe consider it. But since the Pixel 6 is as big as the P6 Pro...
Jea, nah. No.
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Lol this guy knows what he's talking about. I love the pixel 6 pro. When i walked into best buy 2 weeks ago, i instantly noticed a stark difference between it and the normal 6. The resolution difference is immediately noticeable. The smoothness, also instantly noticable. People that say they don't notice a difference between 90 and 120hz, well, all i can say is these people need their eyes checked. It's as obvious as night and day.
The biggest thing that left an unfavorable taste in my mouth, was how much the normal pixel 6 looks like a phone that was released in early 2018. Those. Massive. Antiquated. Bezels. Those bezels are simply to huge and gross. Also nobody seems to be pointing out the obvious. The build quality on the 6 looks very lackluster, and way less premium than the 6 pro . Just my two cents.
Do i wish the pixel 6 pro had a less curved screen? Sure, of course. After using the phone though, the curves are so appealing to the design asthetic, and it rests so ergonomically and beautifully in the hand. Google was also careful to design the curves to not refract light to much, or cause app padding/distortion. I love this device.
Many people or complaining about the fingerprint sensor and saying it's bad. It's not quite fast as OP9 Pro, but it's simply excellent. I have four prints for each thumb, screen sensitivity is set to to on and it's blazing fast and works every time.
Now, with that said, there most definitely are some legitimate complaints about this device, in my opinion. That unequivocally would be the charging speed, and the color reproduction. Thanks to some awesome third party apps, this problem is completely fixed. My device charges at more than acceptable speed, and the colors have a vibrant, slightly cooler whitepoint. No more beyond fugly piss colored screen. I'm on cloud 9.

Gytole said:
I decided on the pro for the LTPO display and the 48 telephoto. I learned quickly that 120hz eats the battery so I keep it at 60 which helps a LOT.
Other than that if I had a choice to go back and save the 300 I probably would. It's not that much better. And the stereo speakers are not balanced AT all.
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Bro do what you want, but 60 hz should be banned and retired. Without exaggeration, it really is that bad. Stuttery, janky, and looks horrible. Not only that, but the battery savings are not profound. To make matters even worse, it's been reported by Ars Technica, that 60 hz on the pro is currently inexplicably worse battery life than 120hz. I know, i know, that makes zero sense.
Bottom line is 60 hz should be removed completely from 2021 devices for scrolling in my opinion. 60 hz was decent a few years ago, because we simply didn't know any better. We don't know what we don't know. The experience with it is horrible. The screen LTPO should only fluctuate between 90 and 120, for movement IMHO. Of course once the screen goes static, i don't care if the hz stops down to 30, as long as it's hidden well, once you touch the screen again.

According to reviews the P6 struggles to keep thermals in check and gets hot. While the P6P remains cooler, according to comparisons.
(7.15)

Burt Squirtz said:
Lol this guy knows what he's talking about. I love the pixel 6 pro. When i walked into best buy 2 weeks ago, i instantly noticed a stark difference between it and the normal 6. The resolution difference is immediately noticeable. The smoothness, also instantly noticable. People that say they don't notice a difference between 90 and 120hz, well, all i can say is these people need their eyes checked. It's as obvious as night and day.
The biggest thing that left an unfavorable taste in my mouth, was how much the normal pixel 6 looks like a phone that was released in early 2018. Those. Massive. Antiquated. Bezels. Those bezels are simply to huge and gross. Also nobody seems to be pointing out the obvious. The build quality on the 6 looks very lackluster, and way less premium than the 6 pro . Just my two cents.
Do i wish the pixel 6 pro had a less curved screen? Sure, of course. After using the phone though, the curves are so appealing to the design asthetic, and it rests so ergonomically and beautifully in the hand. Google was also careful to design the curves to not refract light to much, or cause app padding/distortion. I love this device.
Many people or complaining about the fingerprint sensor and saying it's bad. It's not quite fast as OP9 Pro, but it's simply excellent. I have four prints for each thumb, screen sensitivity is set to to on and it's blazing fast and works every time.
Now, with that said, there most definitely are some legitimate complaints about this device, in my opinion. That unequivocally would be the charging speed, and the color reproduction. Thanks to some awesome third party apps, this problem is completely fixed. My device charges at more than acceptable speed, and the colors have a vibrant, slightly cooler whitepoint. No more beyond fugly piss colored screen. I'm on cloud 9.
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Can I ask you what third party app you used to change color reproduction ?

The thick bezels on the regular 6 are a turn off for me, so the P6P it is despite the LTPO display being limited by the SOC's lack of Auto-VRR switching
Not even a $300 tag would justify those bezels which look more like a ploy to upsell you to the (arguably) more aesthetically pleasing P6P

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The thick bezels on the regular 6 are a turn off for me, so the P6P it is despite the LTPO display being limited by the SOC's lack of Auto-VRR switching
Not even a $300 tag would justify those bezels which look more like a ploy to upsell you to the (arguably) more aesthetically pleasing P6P
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I couldn't agree with this more. I'm surprised that the masses don't see this. There's tons of dumb posts of people thinking the P6 is a better choice, on Reddit and this forum. Scratching my head.

People are bound to justify their purchase decisions despite contrary facts presented. Case in point, people accepting the Notch, first brought to market by Essential and made popular by Apple
I like how every new product release brings to light the previous version's shortcomings but people are too eager to justify their next new purchase, time and time again, with Capitalism ensuring that each version of product has at least one deliberate flaw introduced that is conveniently fixed with a brand new purchase of the next iteration. Never Settle

I'm sure the P6 is exactly what some folks need, and hard to justify a 50% ($300) price difference for P6P. If they had a 512 GB model of the P6, I would've considered it, and it's at least slightly smaller - some folks don't want a bigger phone, and having a flat-screen is at least some advantage.