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Initial thoughts on first weekend with my tmo V30

Ok, so I received my T-Mobile V30 Friday afternoon and have used it quite a bit since then. here are my highlights/low-lights so far.
Overall I really LOVE this phone. I've been knowing for a while that it would have just about all I wanted in a phone from physical size to features (minus stock android and quick updates). It will be a tough decision which to keep when the Pixel XL I pre-ordered arrives.
Physically
-Look and feel is fantastic.
-Great screen to body ratio
- size is the perfect mix of size and ease of use.
-Screen looks great! Not Samsung Note 8 great, especially in bright sunlight but in the top displays I've ever used. (coming from a note 8)
Software
-Scroll speed is disappointing. I find it moves slow and when I try to scroll fast in FB or even my google news feeds it stutters and is just not fluid.
-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
Camera
-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
Battery
-Battery is very good. Last night I went to sleep with 50% left and screen on time of 3 hours and 20 minutes. That, to me, was fantastic.
-I don't see any trouble with me getting a fully heavy use day out of this phone without charging.
That is about it for now. I'll post an update if I find something else noteworthy. If you have a question feel free to ask.

keithleger said:
Ok, so I received my T-Mobile V30 Friday afternoon and have used it quite a bit since then. here are my highlights/low-lights so far.
Overall I really LOVE this phone. I've been knowing for a while that it would have just about all I wanted in a phone from physical size to features (minus stock android and quick updates). It will be a tough decision which to keep when the Pixel XL I pre-ordered arrives.
Physically
-Look and feel is fantastic.
-Great screen to body ratio
- size is the perfect mix of size and ease of use.
-Screen looks great! Not Samsung Note 8 great, especially in bright sunlight but in the top displays I've ever used. (coming from a note 8)
Software
-Scroll speed is disappointing. I find it moves slow and when I try to scroll fast in FB or even my google news feeds it stutters and is just not fluid.
-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
Camera
-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
Battery
-Battery is very good. Last night I went to sleep with 50% left and screen on time of 3 hours and 20 minutes. That, to me, was fantastic.
-I don't see any trouble with me getting a fully heavy use day out of this phone without charging.
That is about it for now. I'll post an update if I find something else noteworthy. If you have a question feel free to ask.
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How is reception? On my G6 is pretty bad...
Also, any display problems on low light and low brightness conditions?
For scrolling go to developer options and enable force gpu rendering, it should scroll better

Killua96 said:
How is reception? On my G6 is pretty bad...
Also, any display problems on low light and low brightness conditions?
For scrolling go to developer options and enable force gpu rendering, it should scroll better
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Thanks, it did help the scrolling. Went from bad to acceptable. not sure what side effects that will cause elsewhere.
Reception has not been an issue this weekend but I use my phone more on weekdays so I'll see. I did get 1 or 2 fail/resend on text messages but that could be tmo also.
I use my phone before bed in the dark with it close to all the way dim. Either I don't know what to look for or it does not bother me. Either way I'm totally satisfied with it in low light.
However, I do wish it had the 1200 nits that the Note 8 has. Today at the pool it was difficult at times to take a photo and really see what I was taking a photo of at 100% brightness.

keithleger said:
I use my phone before bed in the dark with it close to all the way dim. Either I don't know what to look for or it does not bother me. Either way I'm totally satisfied with it in low light.
However, I do wish it had the 1200 nits that the Note 8 has. Today at the pool it was difficult at times to take a photo and really see what I was taking a photo of at 100% brightness.
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Thanks, I use it in that way too before going to sleep, it's one of the moments where I can play some games, this is way that display problem brothers me so much.
Now I'll wait for Europe price and relevant date, if it'll arrive at 799 euros in Vodafone stores I'll probably buy it.
Keep me updated for the reception, on G6 I think is worse than on G5 Lol

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Thx you a lot for your post. But can you help me, i really need to see camera difference between V30 and Note 8. Is V30 really so bad? Wil you do some​ comparison?
And is front face camera so bad? :/

The camera is above average just not quite as good as Pixel or Note 8. For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
Here is an album. The colored balls, food duplicate shots are for comparison. (I deleted most of my comparison photos. Was done for personal comparison so no reason to keep them)
Use "info" to see the model number of the camera that took the photo. Easy if you have windows 10 and default photo viewer. (click info icon at top right)
The boy in the sand photos and the selfie of me and my wife are from today on the V30 and I had already packed up the Note 8 to sell on swappa.
Low light - just had a crack in the door with very little light coming into the room. Note blew the V30 away on this one.
Photos from LG that seem close then far are regular and wide angle lens.
All photos are on "auto" setting for both phones.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vk3z0QrNqPBvrybI3

Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh

ryanpm40 said:
Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh
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Have u seen the videos speed between note 8 vs v30? V30 was slower but my problem was with this was, just like the s8 plus. The v30 cannot keep app in the background and are constantly reloading. Finished the second round more than 1 minute behind the note 8. Having 6gb ram o. A non stock android js a must for me.
I was just like u but after the price. And everything um m get for just $130 more, spen, larger better screen, more ram. And hold its value better. I bought the note 8 2 days ago. Prettg happy so far.

My phone comes tomorrow and after reading several posts about it, I am considering a return. I went to the VZW store today to see it and everything about the look I like. I went into the camera to take some pics and I noticed right away that the shutter took way too long to take the shot. The odd thing about the camera is I had the G6 and it took great low light pics, even better than my S8+. One of the main reasons I wanted the V30. I'm worried now I will be giving my S8 back for a phone that isn't "better". I'm so tempted now to just buy the Pixel or wait and get the iPhone X. This sucks so bad. I was looking forward to the V30 and have no desire to get the Note 8.
Oh, nice pics and your wife is hot.

eduardmc said:
Have u seen the videos speed between note 8 vs v30? V30 was slower but my problem was with this was, just like the s8 plus. The v30 cannot keep app in the background and are constantly reloading. Finished the second round more than 1 minute behind the note 8. Having 6gb ram o. A non stock android js a must for me.
I was just like u but after the price. And everything um m get for just $130 more, spen, larger better screen, more ram. And hold its value better. I bought the note 8 2 days ago. Prettg happy so far.
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Ooh so the S8 Plus isn't any better? Was considering that as well to save a little bit.. They have a $300 trade-in deal on all phones on Samsung's site, even goes towards 24 month financing.

keithleger said:
-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
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You can't just turn off auto-brightness? I've done that in every LG phone, from G2 to G4 because yes, they make it too dim.
Have they disable manual brightness setting or something?

keithleger said:
The camera is above average just not quite as good as Pixel or Note 8.
For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
Here is an album. The colored balls, food duplicate shots are for comparison.
Use "info" to see the model number of the camera that took the photo. Easy if you have windows 10 and default photo viewer. (click info icon at top right)
The boy in the sand photos and the selfie of me and my wife are from today on the V30 and I had already packed up the Note 8 to sell on swappa.
Low light - just had a crack in the door with very little light coming into the room. Note blew the V30 away on this one.
Photos from LG that seem close then far are regular and wide angle lens.
All photos are on "auto" setting for both phones.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vk3z0QrNqPBvrybI3
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Actually quite impressive pictures -- and I'm glad you chose "auto" for these tests. Most of the time we take pictures, I'm really not going to mess with the settings. My wife especially will not. She went hiking with a friend last weekend through a forest with a waterfall, and while the pictures were nice I wish she had THIS camera. One shot was taken by a stranger to whom she handed her phone -- with her and the friend standing amidst the foliage, with the waterfall visible behind them. Adjusting settings just isn't going to be done in that situation, and she wouldn't know how.
Yes, it's nice to have settings you can adjust for long setup time, I appreciate LG adding that capability -- but let's be honest. 90% of the time it's about taking the picture quickly.
On the close-up colored balls comparison, I might give the Note the win, but barely. The V30 is very, very close.
On the french fries/granite counter wide shot, I prefer the V30 over the Note. The V30 wins on that one, to me.
Low light shots of the PC on the floor, yeah, the Note was cleaner, clearer. The Note had great focus and color of the baseboard and wall, as well as the PC.
But the outdoors shots of the V30 you have are great. Thank you for sharing.

ryanpm40 said:
Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh
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1. I did not notice any scrolling lag on the Note 8 at all. It was pretty smooth. There was the lag after pressing home button or switching between apps like all galaxy devices but the Note is the most responsive phone Samsung has ever created.
2. Battery seems to be better on the V30. I could make it through the day on the note but I tried killing the battery yesterday on the v30 and I had almost 6 hrs of SoT and 18 hrs on...still almost 40% very impressive. For me at that point the Note would have been dead.
What made me decide to keep the V30 and sell the note was the following.
1. I much prefer a wide angle lens over a zoom lens. So many times I need to capture more int he scene yet can't back up. I'll sacrifice a little quality to get that.
2. Size. Note was just too tall. It bothered me and it was the first phone I did could not adjust to it "feeling big". The V30 just feels like the perfect phone in my hand size wise. I'm 6'3" and don't have small hands but just could not get used to the note. It would stick out of my jean pockets..sad when a phone can't fit in your pocket. LOL
3. I really don't like the curved edges. too many accidental touches. I know it makes the bezels "look" smaller but I prefer the "almost" flat screen of the v30.
4. I did not use the pen much at all. Maybe to show people what it could do or my son played with it drawing. But I won't miss it. I'm sure others use it a ton and can't do without it. I just don't.

ChazzMatt said:
You can't just turn off auto-brightness? I've done that in every LG phone, from G2 to G4 because yes, they make it too dim.
Have they disable manual brightness setting or something?
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Of course you can. But that is not the ideal solution. On an $800 flagship I should not have to do that. Lux is a better option than that. This is something LG should fix. It was/is an issue on the G6 as well.

found a few more photos, added. The last few of the lowpro bag were with morning light (overcast day) coming through a window about 8 feet from the storage table. No interior light on in the room.
closeup of PC card - taken from about 10 inches away with both cameras, focused on heat sync on the card. Light from window 5 ft away and room light on. So a good amount of indoor lighting.
Also, a note on all the photos I took. I did press my finger on the same focus point and let the camera focus just to make sure I compared the same results. I do this most of the time when taking photos anyway. So, this was not a test on the auto focusing abilities of each camera. on the last one I pressed on the DVD stack on all 3 photos. I also sat with my elbow on my knee in the same exact spot/distance for all 3. Which shows how much more of the scene you can actually get with the LG wide angle lens. The reason I love having that.

Interesting. Thanks for the images. I would be using auto mode mostly for family shots etc. I would be happy with those results.
Is there any delay in pressing shoot and the capture? Read in another post it was a bit laggy

EggZenBeanz said:
Interesting. Thanks for the images. I would be using auto mode mostly for family shots etc. I would be happy with those results.
Is there any delay in pressing shoot and the capture? Read in another post it was a bit laggy
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Yeah, as I stated in initial comment. I noticed inconsistency with camera. Sometimes it is instant and other times there is a noticeable lag. I have not done enough testing to know if the lag is based on setting/light or if it is just truly random but I have experienced it. Note 8 had no lag whatsoever as I'm sure the Pixel 2 will not if it is anything like the Pixel. My reason for keeping the V30 was that the wide angle lens and size was far more attractive to me vs the negatives. It will be a hard decision when my Pixel 2 XL comes in though. I just like how responsive the Pixel phones are. This v30 is laggier than the Note 8 for sure but bearable. Hopefully there will be a firmware update to fix some of these issues soon.

EVOme said:
My phone comes tomorrow and after reading several posts about it, I am considering a return. I went to the VZW store today to see it and everything about the look I like. I went into the camera to take some pics and I noticed right away that the shutter took way too long to take the shot. The odd thing about the camera is I had the G6 and it took great low light pics, even better than my S8+. One of the main reasons I wanted the V30. I'm worried now I will be giving my S8 back for a phone that isn't "better". I'm so tempted now to just buy the Pixel or wait and get the iPhone X. This sucks so bad. I was looking forward to the V30 and have no desire to get the Note 8.
Oh, nice pics and your wife is hot.
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I had the G6 as well. I assure you the photos are better in all areas over the G6. Especially the wide angle lens.
haha, thanks.

The only photo taken by the note that I preferred was the kitchen island photo lol. Aaaaaand I have a million photo adjustment options to bring down the cool tint to the photo. Thanks for sharing OP
Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

keithleger said:
Of course you can. But that is not the ideal solution. On an $800 flagship I should not have to do that. Lux is a better option than that. This is something LG should fix. It was/is an issue on the G6 as well.
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I read that some carriers actually disabled the brightness feature you're looking for on the V20. I know that t-mo was one of the carriers that disabled this feature. I have the V20 currently and on AT&T I can increase the brightness if it's too dim and the phone will still auto adjust the brightness if lighting conditions change, but it will remember that in a certain lighting condition, I changed the brightness and it will use the value that I previously set instead of the default value. I'm thinking t-mo also disabled it on the V30 also.
This thread will probably explain it better than I did haha:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/auto-brightness-t3490880/

Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs S9 Plus – Camera Test

I put the Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus's cameras up against its predecessor the S9 Plus, in an attempt to determine how much has improved and whether or not it's worth upgrading to.
Overall. I've found that there isn't a lot separating both these phones when it comes to the main camera and the telephoto lens that is. Actually, just a little difference, I find that the S9 Plus took pictures that were
slightly more detailed and the high dynamic range on the S9 Plus was also a little better. The pictures taken with the S9 Plus were also more vivid and saturated but whether or not you like that, would depend on personal preference.
Now, where the S10 Plus shines, is the ultra wide camera, the S9 Plus doesn't have that at all, so in that area the S10 Plus wins hands down, capable of capturing nearly as much as the eyes can see, and of course it's generally more fun to shoot landscape images with that ultra wide camera.
Another area the S10 Plus wins in is Video stabilisation at 1080p, trust me when I say the video is really stable.
If video stabilisation and ultra wide images aren't of any interest to you, then, the S9 Plus in my opinion shoots better images so there's no point in upgrading, otherwise if you want something that's versatile go ahead and upgrade to the S10 Plus.
You can either take my word for it or watch the video below, you'll find that everything I said above is mentioned in the video so it isn't mandatory to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993mzj7aeiw

xdaman85 said:
I put the Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus's cameras up against its predecessor the S9 Plus, in an attempt to determine how much has improved and whether or not it's worth upgrading to.
Overall. I've found that there isn't a lot separating both these phones when it comes to the main camera and the telephoto lens that is. Actually, just a little difference, I find that the S9 Plus took pictures that were
slightly more detailed and the high dynamic range on the S9 Plus was also a little better. The pictures taken with the S9 Plus were also more vivid and saturated but whether or not you like that, would depend on personal preference.
Now, where the S10 Plus shines, is the ultra wide camera, the S9 Plus doesn't have that at all, so in that area the S10 Plus wins hands down, capable of capturing nearly as much as the eyes can see, and of course it's generally more fun to shoot landscape images with that ultra wide camera.
Another area the S10 Plus wins in is Video stabilisation at 1080p, trust me when I say the video is really stable.
If video stabilisation and ultra wide images aren't of any interest to you, then, the S9 Plus in my opinion shoots better images so there's no point in upgrading, otherwise if you want something that's versatile go ahead and upgrade to the S10 Plus.
You can either take my word for it or watch the video below, you'll find that everything I said above is mentioned in the video so it isn't mandatory to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993mzj7aeiw
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I'm an enthusiast photographer with currently the Canon EOS 5DSR, I'm not making a lot of pictures with my phone except at work (another story )
When I received my 9+ last year, as I had heard so many good words about the camera, I test it in a shopping mall garage and it was impressive for a phone...
After that I used it indoors at work with very good results but when It tried in dark/night shots it was regrettable at least (Lot of noise)...
I received my 10+ last Thursday and Friday night I tried 2 night shots in normal view and one in tele, they where the same as 9+ with MAYBE a REALLY slight improvement...
I haven't try the super-wide yet but I will! I agree that if the reason to upgrade your phone is the camera maybe the PIXEL 3 will be better choice as it have some really impressive effects in camera... I really hope someone port the PIXEL 3 camera to my EXYNOS

Terry.666 said:
I'm an enthusiast photographer with currently the Canon EOS 5DSR, I'm not making a lot of pictures with my phone except at work (another story )
When I received my 9+ last year, as I had heard so many good words about the camera, I test it in a shopping mall garage and it was impressive for a phone...
After that I used it indoors at work with very good results but when It tried in dark/night shots it was regrettable at least (Lot of noise)...
I received my 10+ last Thursday and Friday night I tried 2 night shots in normal view and one in tele, they where the same as 9+ with MAYBE a REALLY slight improvement...
I haven't try the super-wide yet but I will! I agree that if the reason to upgrade your phone is the camera maybe the PIXEL 3 will be better choice as it have some really impressive effects in camera... I really hope someone port the PIXEL 3 camera to my EXYNOS
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Yep, the Pixel 3 is great for taking pictures at night, the Huawei Mate 20 Pro also takes really great shots at night.

Swap my Oneplus 8 pro for S20 Ultra????

Hey guys,
Please help me with this difficult choice for me.
I can swap my Oneplus 8 pro for a Samsung S20 ultra. One year ago I had the ultra but because of the horrible auto focus I switched to oneplus. Now a year later I heard the camera is a lot better now, but is it acceptabele or is it still horible?
I like the flat screen and oneui more than the curved screen of the oneplus and think oneui looks better than Oxygen...
But the bottleneck is the camera, so Please help me today, so I can make my desission the swap to Samsung.

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Hey guys,
Please help me with this difficult choice for me.
I can swap my Oneplus 8 pro for a Samsung S20 ultra. One year ago I had the ultra but because of the horrible auto focus I switched to oneplus. Now a year later I heard the camera is a lot better now, but is it acceptabele or is it still horible?
I like the flat screen and oneui more than the curved screen of the oneplus and think oneui looks better than Oxygen...
But the bottleneck is the camera, so Please help me today, so I can make my desission the swap to Samsung.
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Btw... It's the Exynos version

I would definitely swap, numerous updates did wonders to s20u camera, and battery life is also improved

djoxie said:
I would definitely swap, numerous updates did wonders to s20u camera, and battery life is also improved
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Really?
Full Day battery with 120hz? And focus better and macro?

I get ~6 hours 100%-10% for one day use, or ~5 hours if I use it for 2 days (when busy @work).
Focus is mich more stable, and for macro phone asks you to switch to 2x and move away a bit when you get closer to the object

djoxie said:
I get ~6 hours 100%-10% for one day use, or ~5 hours if I use it for 2 days (when busy @work).
Focus is mich more stable, and for macro phone asks you to switch to 2x and move away a bit when you get closer to the object
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Thanks for replying. So the Camera and battery is fine now...

I use S20 Ultra with Snapdragon.
Autofocus is better then it was in July when i bought it. There are still issues, especially in middle to low light conditions, especially using 60fps video 1080p or 4K. If I use 4K 30fps, autofocus is much more stable. The same goes with 120fps 1080p in Pro Video mode - hard to focus, even at day if there is an object in front and there is some background, then it will focus on background or go back and forth between front and back. Solution - enable grid lines and try to put front object inside main square in the middle of display. Theb it will focus better.
Photos do not have the same clarity and edge, compared to Huawei P40 Pro, which I also own. There is still a little blur on portraits and macros. But for me it is ok, and IMHO for Samsung it is ok. Still photos are excellent. Night mode is the best I've seen.
And there are a lot of features, new and old, that are just unbeatable.
I would say between OP8Pro and S20Ultra I would go Ultra.

A fast SD card slot... there's no substitute.

Question Hinge quality

Hey guys.
How is your hinge on the Fold3 compared when you used a Fold2?
My hinge feels more loose compared to it, not stronger or more tight.
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I mean how does it feel when you open and close it? Tight or loose?
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Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.

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Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.
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It doesn't matter now. I returned the device. Thanks for your reply
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Café King said:
It doesn't matter now. I returned the device. Thanks for your reply
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That's one way to solve a problem! Lol. Sorry it didn't work out, better luck with the next device. Cheers

atvxda said:
That's one way to solve a problem! Lol. Sorry it didn't work out, better luck with the next device. Cheers
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Thanks. I bought a S21 Ultra 16 GB ram version. I'm happy with it
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atvxda said:
Hinge is definitely tighter. It is the number one I noticed when I unboxed it and gave it a fold for the first time. Prior to the Fold3 I owned a Fold2 at launch. It should feel noticeably tighter.
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Samsung says it's improved; more dust and water resistant.

blackhawk said:
Samsung says it's improved; more dust and water resistant.
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Correct, it is. As I had mentioned, owned both. Fold3 should feel noticeably tighter. The original Q posted was regarding the hinge feeling loser than the previous generation Fold.

Café King said:
Thanks. I bought a S21 Ultra 16 GB ram version. I'm happy with it
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It's a great phone. Prior to getting into the Fold2, I traded in my trusty Note 10 Plus and gave my wife my N20U. I hope for the next Fold to include the N20U or S20U's camera hardware.

atvxda said:
It's a great phone. Prior to getting into the Fold2, I traded in my trusty Note 10 Plus and gave my wife my N20U. I hope for the next Fold to include the N20U or S20U's camera hardware.
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If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
/CK

Café King said:
If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
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I don't feel the shots are bad, I've been able to capture nice photos with the rear, I would prefer a longer zoom telephoto. That would come in handy. Otherwise, pics come out solid. B, not an A camera though. Lol. There's a long list of wants for the next iteration of the Fold brand. Camera's is definitely on the list.
Honestly, I can't go back to a normal slab. The first Fold may have been gimmicky, however the Fold 2 and 3 most definitely showcase the progression and I'm all for it especially now with S pen support.

Café King said:
If I'm going to get the Fold3, all the cameras must be improved drastically...
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Got mine today, cams are ****. There's no masking it with sweet words. Coming from 12 pro max, a cam beast
Thats aside I'm in love with my fold 3

eswar539 said:
Got mine today, cams are ****. There's no masking it with sweet words. Coming from 12 pro max, a cam beast
Thats aside I'm in love with my fold 3
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Funny enough in a video I saw they where 3 people doing a comparing with s21 ultra, fold 3 and 12 Pro max and if I remember it right for them fold 3 won and 12 Pro max lost. S21 ultra came 2nd or if it was s21 ultra first and fold 3 2nd can't remember. But 12 Pro max failed in alot of their pictures such as it caused sky behind to be clearly white and other stuff that made them vote 12 Pro max voted out.

Jake.S said:
Funny enough in a video I saw they where 3 people doing a comparing with s21 ultra, fold 3 and 12 Pro max and if I remember it right for them fold 3 won and 12 Pro max lost. S21 ultra came 2nd or if it was s21 ultra first and fold 3 2nd can't remember. But 12 Pro max failed in alot of their pictures such as it caused sky behind to be clearly white and other stuff that made them vote 12 Pro max voted out.
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don't know about them, but fold 3 cant take pictures if the subject moves even a little, it comes out blurry also most of my photos came out in beauty mode like some kind of paintings. i have turned off all the beauty or enhancer settings
its takes some seconds before processing the images like in 2019 lol
all my above experience is from indoor photos. maybe it performs better in outdoor, will check it tomorrow
but there is no way fold 3 beats iPhone in cam section. period
inner screen is so beautiful

Café King said:
Hey guys.
How is your hinge on the Fold3 compared when you used a Fold2?
My hinge feels more loose compared to it, not stronger or more tight.
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tightness 7/10
at the same time it feels perfect
build like a tank as someone said
btw this is my 1st fold.

eswar539 said:
don't know about them, but fold 3 cant take pictures if the subject moves even a little, it comes out blurry also most of my photos came out in beauty mode like some kind of paintings. i have turned off all the beauty or enhancer settings
its takes some seconds before processing the images like in 2019 lol
all my above experience is from indoor photos. maybe it performs better in outdoor, will check it tomorrow
but there is no way fold 3 beats iPhone in cam section. period
inner screen is so beautiful
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Check your settings, set up. Something not right, even my 10+ doesn't lag like that.
Try clearing cam data and clearing the system cache.
Try using the tracking mode for moving subjects. Also pan back a bit to give more depth of field; the closer you are, the less depth of field and less room for AF errors. These are fast lens... your not shooting at f/5.6 or 8.

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Check your settings, set up. Something not right, even my 10+ doesn't lag like that.
Try clearing cam data and clearing the system cache.
Try using the tracking mode for moving subjects. Also pan back a bit to give more depth of field; the closer you are, the less depth of field and less room for AF errors. These are fast lens... your not shooting at f/5.6 or 8.
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Tracking mode already on. Still same. Lol my wife still using the 10 plus. Same nightmare camera. Anyway I try the cam outdoors tomorrow. But indoors there's are lot of problems
Anyway I'm not worried about about the cam but i will certainly miss it
We can't have everything right. After using this for few hrs iphone feels like 5yrs behind in technology

eswar539 said:
Tracking mode already on. Still same. Lol my wife still using the 10 plus. Same nigh are camera. Anyway I try the cam outdoors tommorow. But indoors there's are lot of problems
Anyway I'm not worried about about the cam but i will certainly miss it
We can't have everything right. After using this for few hrs iphone feels like 5yrs behind in technology
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Try using any of this junk after shooting with a pro cam and lens
The shutter release sucks unless I use my spen.
They do pretty good. Shooting is more the shooter than camera, learn the cam's limitations.
I got to admit though it's hard to take a bad shot with the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 wide open if you frame the shot right. It just grabs it.

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Try using any of this junk after shooting with a pro cam and lens
The shutter release sucks unless I use my spen.
They do pretty good. Shooting is more the shooter than camera, learn the cam's limitations.
I got to admit though it's hard to take a bad shot with the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 wide open if you frame the shot right. It just grabs it.
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what i mean is, i don't need to do these things(change that this) in 12 pro max, just point and shoot, the shots looks like a pro
but with fold 3 cam i need to be like a statue to take some nice shots

eswar539 said:
what i mean is, i don't need to do these things(change that this) in 12 pro max, just point and shoot, the shots looks like a pro
but with fold 3 cam i need to be like a statue to take some nice shots
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Try using active focus. The shutter lag is long too. It's hard to get a AF lock up on the eye, my Canon AF did that easily most times. You can also try manual focus but unlike a pro cam the phone controls are a true pain to try to use.
I don't buy these phones for their cams so it's not a huge point of contention to me but I do notice it.
Plain Jane iPhone... no way, they bore me to tears. Memory is way over priced as well and they support the CCP.
Samsung Android is a lot easier to suck up.
Samsung is still the most customizable stock phone on the planet... you decide how it looks.
It's a totally different animal that requires more user input and knowledge because of all the freedom to choose.
Learning is easy though... just play with it.

Question P6P reviews

While waiting for our phones to arrive, lets post the reviews here:
Google Pixel 6 Pro vs iPhone 13 Pro Max - Camera Test Comparison​
per above review, P6P is neck to neck with 13Pro Max
Google Pixel 6 vs Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra - Camera Test Comparison​
per above review, P6P and S21U are comparable

I'm honestly a little worried about the SuperSaf camera review. It seems like this may even be a step back from the 5? I didn't have one, but I have a Oneplus 8 Pro and some of these look worse than what I have. Any thoughts?
No macro camera, no lidar for depth. Low light looks questionable

https://mashable.com/review/google-pixel-6-pro-review

Google Pixel 6 Pro vs iPhone 13 Pro Max – ULTIMATE Camera Comparison!​ZoneofTech review
P6P is the winner with 17 points vs 13 Pro max with 13 points

xgerryx said:
I'm honestly a little worried about the SuperSaf camera review. It seems like this may even be a step back from the 5? I didn't have one, but I have a Oneplus 8 Pro and some of these look worse than what I have. Any thoughts?
No macro camera, no lidar for depth. Low light looks questionable
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this may help macro probably can be improved with fw update

Seeing the same thing on Mrwhosetheboss. Majorly disappointing.

what videos are you guys watching?
The 6p seems to hold up well with the iPhone 13pro max

Short Circuit channel showing how dark the screen is at max brightness compared to the iphone 13 (which I have no interest in), also doesn't look good to me. The speakers also sound way worse it seems. The more I see of this the more this feels like the pro should have started at $700 and not $900. I ordered from best Buy and I can still cancel it, but I don't know what to do.

I don't know about you, but for me personally, Pixel 6 Pro picture quality looks quite good. I'm pretty sure it'll be better than what I currently have i.e. Pixel 3. It still takes good picture.
SuperSaf style camera comparison.
Mrwhosetheboss

xgerryx said:
Short Circuit channel showing how dark the screen is at max brightness compared to the iphone 13 (which I have no interest in), also doesn't look good to me. The speakers also sound way worse it seems. The more I see of this the more this feels like the pro should have started at $700 and not $900. I ordered from best Buy and I can still cancel it, but I don't know what to do.
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I don't know, almost every review I've read or watched so far place the 6 Pro above the S21 Ultra AND the iphone 13 Pro.
We'll see for ourselves soon enough though.

Watching the Android Central review now and they are using the telephoto as the macro lens and it actually looks really good, so maybe that's why there is no dedicated macro camera. I'm going to watch as many as I can as it seems different people are using this phone in different ways. The bottom line on the video seems to be not great though regardless of who is reviewing it.
Also more confirmation the screen isn't bright enough outside.

For info - from the BBC website. This is about Magic Eraser, de-Blurring and more.

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I don't know, almost every review I've read or watched so far place the 6 Pro above the S21 Ultra AND the iphone 13 Pro.
We'll see for ourselves soon enough though.
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Any examples?

StrangerWeather said:
For info - from the BBC website. This is about Magic Eraser, de-Blurring and more.
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Great, informative, focused, very quick review of certain aspects. Thanks for sharing!

StrangerWeather said:
Any examples?
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Google Pixel 6 Pro review: Magically erasing Pixels' past
One year later, the Pixel 6 Pro is a better phone than ever.
www.androidcentral.com
I'm still reading/watching other ones.

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There aren't any. I watched 6 or 7 videos all the way through. At best the Pixel is on par with the iphone in picture, worse in some areas, better in others, and objectively worse across the board in video.
Considering I will never own an iphone I'm more interested in how it compares to my OP8 pro, which I doubt I'll find a video on.
Also keep in mind Google is comparing to a mid range budget phone in the 5....so this "jump" is a jump for THAT phone, not compared to others in a lot of cases.

9 to 5 Google review. They like it.

This I like the best when it comes to Pixel 6 review. It seems like most of the reviewer missed the macro capability of Pixel 6 Pro zoom lens. Which IMO looks way better than iPhone 13 Pro/Max.

shame Google missed the boat on macro mode not being as good as Samsung or Apple! I use macro more then portrait mode