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I was wondering if could use a preassure pen on the N7.2 and would any preasure sensitive pen work the same or do they differ?
bogii4 said:
I was wondering if could use a pressure pen on the N7.2 and would any preasure sensitive pen work the same or do they differ?
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Not quite sure what you mean by a "pressure pen", but the Nexus 7 screen is capacitance, not pressure. If you touch it with a hard, non-conductive object, nothing will happen. The stylus type pens work because they can conduct your fingers to the surface of the tablet (simplified explanation, don't flame me!). You can also try to operate the tablet with gloves on to see that the "contact" of your fingers is necessary to get the touchscreen to operate.
What I meant was for drawing a stulis like from a note 8?
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No, the S-Pen is unique and a Samsung only accessory. Too bad, it looks useful but I rather stick with Nexus.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6893/samsung-galaxy-note-80-review/4
bogii4 said:
What I meant was for drawing a stulis like from a note 8?
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The N7 doesn't have the hardware to support pens like the note 8 does. You won't get any of the pressure sensitivity that they/wacom pens get.
The only pens you can use with the N7 are going to be the capacitive touch pens, which just emulate your finger.
squeakyl said:
The N7 doesn't have the hardware to support pens like the note 8 does. You won't get any of the pressure sensitivity that they/wacom pens get.
The only pens you can use with the N7 are going to be the capacitive touch pens, which just emulate your finger.
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Sadly this is true. The pressure sensitivity on the Note is impressive for what it is. One day they'll have something out for other tablets, but for now, stick to changing the stroke width.
sen-cha said:
Sadly this is true. The pressure sensitivity on the Note is impressive for what it is. One day they'll have something out for other tablets, but for now, stick to changing the stroke width.
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Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by preassuring more it becomes bigger
i hve no idea
bogii4 said:
Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by preassuring more it becomes bigger
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You can sort of guess the amount of pressure being applied by a finger based on the size of the touch (if you lightly touch it's small, if you press hard it's bigger as your finger squashes against the screen). So it is, sort of, touch sensitive, but if you used a stylus with a non-soft end it won't detect an increase in pressure.
bogii4 said:
Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by pressuring more it becomes bigger
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Pressure sensitivity works beautifully in Photoshop Touch with a Wacom stylus (or S-Pen) on my Note 10.1.
Conversely, finger (or capacitive stylus) pressure in PS Touch on my N7 makes no difference. Not even a little bit. As already posted by others, the N7 just doesn't have the technology to do what you're asking.
Yeah, The N7 (and most other Android devices) don't have the hardware necessary for pressure sensitivity. If that's important to you, look in the direction of the Galaxy Note line of devices, or anything that advertises Wacom digitizer support. They exist, but are far and few between. This is one in particular that comes to mind, albeit with a hefty $1500-1600 price tag.
On a somewhat related note, the Adonit Jot Pro stylus works beautifully on the N7 (among any other capacitive touchscreen), so while it may not be pressure sensitive, it's pretty good for rough sketches or handwriting. If you're looking for a fine point stylus, look no further. One thing to mention though, is the sensitivity wears off after a couple weeks. Remove the plastic tip and put on very tiny bit of conductive thermal paste (think Arctic Silver 5) on the tip, then replace the plastic tip again. It's smooth sailing from there.
Its been almost a month I have with my N7(2013) and its working really very fine...in the beginning it had some issues in GPS...I also thought to use of a S-pen with it but not sure about the touch screen compatibility..if someone has tried to use something like then please do update with the reviews....
Jimmy2u said:
Its been almost a month I have with my N7(2013) and its working really very fine...in the beginning it had some issues in GPS...I also thought to use of a S-pen with it but not sure about the touch screen compatibility..if someone has tried to use something like then please do update with the reviews....
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Have you read the rest of the thread? No, the S-Pen will not work. It's not just about the pen. Devices that use digitizer pens have an extra layer on the screen that allows the pens to do their magic. That layer is simply non-existent on the nexus 7.
This is why the note 8 costs more....
I've got a Wacom bamboo pocket and have to say that using my fingers works much better. Are all stylus ' like that or are there better ones?
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I have a few different rubber tipped stylists and they do not work half as good as the micro fiber mesh tipped ones do.
Where can I get those?
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Bloodflame said:
Yeah, The N7 (and most other Android devices) don't have the hardware necessary for pressure sensitivity. If that's important to you, look in the direction of the Galaxy Note line of devices, or anything that advertises Wacom digitizer support. They exist, but are far and few between. This is one in particular that comes to mind, albeit with a hefty $1500-1600 price tag.
On a somewhat related note, the Adonit Jot Pro stylus works beautifully on the N7 (among any other capacitive touchscreen), so while it may not be pressure sensitive, it's pretty good for rough sketches or handwriting. If you're looking for a fine point stylus, look no further. One thing to mention though, is the sensitivity wears off after a couple weeks. Remove the plastic tip and put on very tiny bit of conductive thermal paste (think Arctic Silver 5) on the tip, then replace the plastic tip again. It's smooth sailing from there.
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It's not necessarily the android device that needs the hardware - in Wacom tablets (as in bamboo, intuos etc., not Android tablets) the pressure sensitivity comes from the pen itself, not the tablet surface. While there's nothing on the market at the moment (?) that doesn't mean there never can be for the likes of the N7, where the pen would have the pressure sensitive hardware and then the tablet would just require the necessary hardware.
Adonit now sells the Jot Script Fine Point stylus. However, this only works with iPhone for now and kinda expensive.
I sold my Note 8.0 because I am getting the N7 LTE (if I can find one in Best Buy!) and planning to get this. Best of both world: pure Android AND stylus that is accurate.
lanwarrior said:
Adonit now sells the Jot Script Fine Point stylus. However, this only works with iPhone for now and kinda expensive.
I sold my Note 8.0 because I am getting the N7 LTE (if I can find one in Best Buy!) and planning to get this. Best of both world: pure Android AND stylus that is accurate.
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These look great, but the lack of Android support right out of the gate really has me sour on Evernote. I just don't think there is any excuse for releasing something like this as ios only. Unless they are purposely trying to alienate Android users. Not that I'm saying that's what they are doing, but it was a pretty stupid business decision regardless.
I am hoping it will eventually be usable on Android, but I haven't seen a single mention of future Android support.
Boo to you, Evernote.
I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?
lukair1983 said:
I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?
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Doesn't seem that your s-pen is faulty.
The Moving tip is part of Wacom tech and is what detects taps/clicks as well as pressure.
, however a mm or 2 2 sideways is a bit too much and should not happen.
My other Wacom pen for regular pc tablet (intuos) also dips in and out a bit, so that's normal.
Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?
lukair1983 said:
Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?
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I don't think you can use other manufacturer pens with note 8. Even Only few of the pens by wacom are compatible.
There are wacom pens with replaceable tips, but they more or less give a different surface feel as opposed to a rigid tip itself.
Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.
lukair1983 said:
Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.
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as far as i am aware, up to samsung Galaxy Note 3.0 all s-pen enabled devices have same underlying technology by wacom, so it's the same manufacturer (samsung/wacom).
however some pens might work across the board on a lot of devices and some might not due to device specific calibrations.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/overlays/articles/2013/1027-samsung-galaxy-note
I see. Thanks for additional info.
I've been slowly figuring out the best companion device for my use case. I have a powerful desktop and also a powerful Wacom Windows tablet for school. The windows tablet is overkill, and I cant stand the active cooling (fan noise) in a classroom setting. There are Core M and Atom options, but they're Windows, and as a tablet, I don't really like Windows.
When I'm at home and not on my desktop, I'm using Android. So for my day to day notetaking operation at school and media consumption at home, I think this Note 10.1 2014 will be my best bet. I'll appreciate the weight, beautiful display, and Wacom.
I'll likely load a stock Android ROM because I can't stand TW and don't really care about S-Pen gimmicks, just inking.
My big gripe: the golf-pencil S-Pen. I've read other pens don't track well on the Note, and there's not a calibration tool like Windows.
Any larger pens you guys use with great tracking? Eraser end and buttons would be appreciative as well, but not sure how they work on Android.
Don't quite get it. You want a pen to do what the s pen does that's not an s pen. As the only gripe is calling it a golf pen , when its well made, looks stylish with the gridded signed metal looking end ,does its job perfectly, size is covered by the fact that you only hold the end to grip as with a normal pen , and the rest just goes up your hand, and multiple eraser functions are just a screen tap away. Naa don't fix what ain't broke. Ha ha unless your secretly a Windows tech developer , picking people's brains how to make a windows tablet as good as this note, lol
Worst comes to the worst get an s pen holder, an ave it large lol. Good luck with your search. Just thought are all the note pens the same size .
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Don't quite get it. You want a pen to do what the s pen does that's not an s pen. As the only gripe is calling it a golf pen , when its well made, looks stylish with the gridded signed metal looking end ,does its job perfectly, size is covered by the fact that you only hold the end to grip as with a normal pen , and the rest just goes up your hand, and multiple eraser functions are just a screen tap away. Naa don't fix what ain't broke. Ha ha unless your secretly a Windows tech developer , picking people's brains how to make a windows tablet as good as this note, lol
Worst comes to the worst get an s pen holder, an ave it large lol. Good luck with your search. Just thought are all the note pens the same size .
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Wow, you sure do sound like a Samsung fanboy. Secondly, I asked for note takers and artists to respond, not someone who obviously has little to no experience with Wacom tech and pennable tablets. I guarantee this Note is a little toy for you that you briefly use S-Pen gimmicks with. I don't care about faux metal, a flat button that's hard to press, no eraser, and a tiny stick. I care about a normal sized pen with good functionality, and no digitizer offset.
Try to write notes for an entire working day with that little S-Pen of yours and then check back here. Thought so.
Take a look, it works for me and many else
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2669559
The Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet Pen described in this post works with no offset on my Note 10.1 2014 edition (I've tried varying the writing angle and still haven't produced anything). Do have to press a little harder than with the S-pen, but it is a little larger (and round, rather than flattened) and so easier to use for longer sessions.
As I don't actually use the button on the S-pen, and so don't care about covering it, I slide the grip from a cheap pen around it to make it a little wider. It has an eraser end, but I have my writing apps set so I can erase with my finger anyway, so don't actually use this.
I don't draw on the tablet, but do use it for note-taking and annotation (actually the only reason I bought it).
Large Hadron said:
The Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet Pen described in this post works with no offset on my Note 10.1 2014 edition (I've tried varying the writing angle and still haven't produced anything). Do have to press a little harder than with the S-pen, but it is a little larger (and round, rather than flattened) and so easier to use for longer sessions.
As I don't actually use the button on the S-pen, and so don't care about covering it, I slide the grip from a cheap pen around it to make it a little wider. It has an eraser end, but I have my writing apps set so I can erase with my finger anyway, so don't actually use this.
I don't draw on the tablet, but do use it for note-taking and annotation (actually the only reason I bought it).
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Thanks, I'm hoping the Fujitsu Lifebook stylus with the hard felt wacom nibs (my preferred setup after a lot of trial and error) will work on the Note with no offset. Sad that people have to hack up a ball-point pen and make their own bigger stylus.
Market the Note as a note taking/art device but then don't offer any options for a comfortable stylus. Makes perfect sense.
I can tell you that Fujitsu stylus has got offset on Galaxy Note 10.1 2014, I own both
No need to tell you all how much we use the pen, being forced to lose it, Ouch....... So can we get the S7 or S7 active too read the X Y of the pen, I know we can't store the S-pen in the phone, but that's a small price to pay.
i think note series had special digitalizer..very diferent with s7 s7edge
Nope. Won't work.
The Note devices has a Wacom digitizer beneath that works with the S Pen.
You could try getting a Samsung Tablet that comes with the S Pen. The Note 7 Pen should work on it too.
Thanks for the reply guys, its shame it cant be done, I can't let go of my note 7, using the pen on the s/edge7 would have been to convenient huh
✒ SPen. Let me give you my 3 cents.
What is not: resistive or capacitive pen. Meaning aplying pressure (Like and old iPhone) will not make it work like the resistive pens. Nor will holding it with your hand or touching skin-pen combination. You can put it on a vise-grip and it will work.
What it is: It works like the sensor on your car keys. Where it has a coil inside and if you place it close enough to a magnetic source you will get feedback or pen strokes. The Note 7 has a metal sheet used as a magnetic source behind its regular screen.
What you need on a Non-Note phone is a "Capacitive" pen. Made of all metal some with battery and make direct skin-pen to screen contact for it to work like the SPen. Unfortunately nobody wants metal rubbing a glass screen obviously ?
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So if I hold down buttons (on a forbidden stylus)) I can click and drag in my fold4. It is ABSOLUTELY compatable with older stylus
Its a simple matter of having it allowing the frequency codes of the other stylus. We know it sees them in order to throw up the warnings.
I strongly believe the "will damage your screen" warnings are for gorillas who might use the phone.
I have never warn out a single stylus,
I am a very light pressure drawer and on op of that I have soft nibs & spring nibs from other pens
I want to take the risk and use my standard pens as I have many Wacom devices I use at once and it get annoying swaping pens.
Yes I have the 2-in-1 pro spen. But I dont want the hassle of having to flip the switch 100 times a day.
Same here, hope there is a workaround.
¿Any non samsung spen compatible with our fold 4? I don't want the bt version, just a standar one to have it at home.
kban2000 said:
¿Any non samsung spen compatible with our fold 4? I don't want the bt version, just a standar one to have it at home.
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Nillkin iSketch Adjustable Capacitive Stylus... Bought one a year or so ago. It works on ALL capacitive touch screens...
Cost around $50Aud but work brilliantly...
Quick search found here - https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4000379135172.html
You should find a little cheaper if you look as this was 1st hit I found....
I have an old Samsung HM5100 stylus and I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be able to use it with my fold 4. If anyone can figure out how I can I will be forever thankful.
Came from Note 20 Ultra. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to use it on my Fold4.
Let us all not let this thread die, please.
I have a Note 8 AND a Note 10+.
Both their S-Pen's air gestures can be recognized by the sensors on the Fold 4's inner display.
And I'm gonna be using it with a screen protector anyway.
I don't understand WHY anyone hasn't paid attention to this thread yet.
Come on guys, you'll be collecting blessings out of this.
do the old spens of the note, tab, s series work on fold 4? I have both bt and non bt spen.
peppet said:
do the old spens of the note, tab, s series work on fold 4? I have both bt and non bt spen.
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NO !
SPen Fold edition has an special "retractile nib system" to use with Samsung Folds
Oddly enough, I use the Nilikin Spen on all my devices and it works on the fold 4 even when I turn the SPEN 'off' on the phone, because it is a powered pen (chargeable) .. but- it defeats the purpose. The pen is BIG and has to be carried just as the original SPEN coming from Samsung, and the fold phones do not have WHERE to put them, unless the case has it, and I use the phone naked. Further more- I use a Samsung laptop and it comes with a built in pen that DOES NOT work on the FOLD. Frustration? Hack yeah ! So I have a pen that works on 'all' my devices, but it isn't a reasonable solution. Also - The Nilikin pen has a fairly wide tip compared to the original FOLD SPEN. Not great. Samsung must find a way, with such a bulky phone, to host an SPEN, and better be one compatible to their other devices (laptop and N10/N20 series). Pathetic solution so far for the FOLD 3/4 .
Ok, I won't buy it then!