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At first, I liked the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and simply adjusted LectureNotes for the offset (approximately 6-7 pixels for me). However, the pen kept creating "tails" or "trails" or "squiggles" nearly every time the pen was lifted from the screen (which you kinda have to do when you are writing letters in print). This drove me crazy but I suppose I adjusted by developing a quick eraser-finger or hitting the "undo" button with reckless abandon.
I had grown so used to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL's quirks that I had forgotten how amazing the included S-pen is (but I quickly remembered when I forgot my Bamboo at home the other day). It felt strange NOT to hit the "undo" button every few seconds. However, the Bamboo spoiled me because it was much more comfortable to hold; the s-pen felt tiny in my hand.
As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
and the Samsung Series 7 Slate Pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Elect...1367537810&sr=1-1&keywords=series+7+slate+pen)
Can anyone comment on their experience with these pens? My main priority is accuracy; as long as it's even somewhat bigger than the included s-pen, I'm sure I'll be happy.
Or feel free to suggest a different pen, if there's a better one out there.
@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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I did this and it fixed those tails right up.
Now the only problem is that I hit the button on the stylus ALL THE TIME. I wish the button was a bit higher up to be honest.
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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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Thanks for the tip, but I tried going from 5% to 30% stepwise (it took a few hours) and even though it got better, it still happened regularly enough to be frustrating. Using the original S-pen, it's much rarer.
@apallohadas: I agree, the S-pen button is indeed somewhat misplaced. Personally, I decided not to use the button at all and I wrapped a piece of tape around it to avoid to unintentionally press it.
@drdoombot: Actually, 5% should be sufficient. Maybe your S-pen is somewhat too sensitive, have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDDKGPj2FI (which is a rather extreme example, I admit).
I have the official Samsung S-pen and love it. I can't compare to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL since I don't have one. It is as accurate as the included S-pen but full size. It has not left me wanting for another stylus.
I ordered the SPen holder kit yesterday, hopefully it's as good as I expect it to be! The choice was between the samsung "Pen with eraser for Note 10.1" and the one I ordered, but this one seemed alot more solid so I thought I'll give it a try. It only has a button though, but I couldn't find a official Note pen with two and the pen for other tablets seems to all have some precision issues.
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I received a S pen with eraser this morning and its awesome! In my eyes its just the right length, as its long enough to be used like a normal pen but isn't that obtrusive. The eraser at the end also works really well totally worth the tenner I paid for it, the Note 10.1 is now like a normal notebook!
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As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
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I have both the Samsung S-Pen and the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and here, I cannot confirm the problems with the FEEL.
The S-Pen from Samsung is ok, the rubber function is good. But with that, I have the problem of hitting the button. And it is very lightweight.
I bought the FEEL and keep the Samsung S-Pen at work in case I forget the FEEL at home.
The button of the FEEL is aligned with the surface and (at least for me) difficult to push accidently.
Neither with Lecture Notes nor with MyScript Notes Mobile I observe writing after releasing the pen from the surface.
Wacom suggested this
Hi all,
I have the Stylus Feel, and I've been mainly using it with S-Note (though I am trying LectureNotes based on the good feedback from these forum.
Like a lot of you, I'm getting the "squigglies" and hate it. I contacted Wacom, and here's what they said:
Bamboo feel pen only works on Galaxy Note 10.1 if the factory Samsung pen is removed from its holder.
On the Galaxy Note 10.1, select Settings, and then click on S Pen. Once here, you can toggle the option for “Battery Saving”. When this is turned on, the digitizer is not active unless the pen is out of the dock, so if the Samsung pen is in its holder, no active pen will work on the display. Slide the pen out of its holder, and Bamboo Feel and the Samsung pen are active.
Solution: If Battery Saving is un-checked in the S Pen settings, then it doesn’t matter if the Samsung pen is docked in the device, the Bamboo feel pen will work fine at all times.
I hope this helps. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.
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So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.
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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.
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Actually, you're not all wrong with your magnet theory and that is indeed how many similar products are working. But the note (and all other Wacom's products) use a kind of electromagnetic waves that are transmitted from the tablet. The wave is then picked up by the pen, first to generate a small amount of electricity in the pen (kind of like an induction stove) that runs a small chip inside the pen that finally will transmit a modified version of the wave back to the tablet. There's a pressure sensor in the pen that gives the chip information about how hard you press and the button is somehow connected to the chip as well. Due to some algorithms the tablet can compare the received wave with the transmitted wave and get a really accurate position of the pen and its conditions (button pressed or not and pressure level).
A simple but quite accurate description is a "piano fork" (you know, the tuning device for a piano). The tablet is the string and the pen is the fork, when getting close to the tablet the pen starts to oscillate. The tablet then picks up these oscillations and depending on the frequency of the wave and phase shift (how much after in time the oscillations are) it can determine the position.
Hope that made somewhat sense
For note taking LectureNotes is outstanding, if there's something you don't like about it there's a great chance there's a setting that fixes it!
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I second the vote for the S-Pen with eraser. Have been using it for two days now and wouldn't go without anymore. Good size, could do with a bit more heft (that's probably where the FEEL has the advantage), but the button is well-placed and the eraser end is just so convenient to have.
Can't comment on the FEEL as I don't have one and being happy with the S-Pen with eraser I don't think I'll order one anytime soon.
EDIT: forgot to add that it's (unsurprisingly) just as accurate as the original included S-Pen.
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I have a Samsung 7 Series slate and when I try it's pen on my Note 10.1, the offset is horrible. It has an eraser and it's longer and thicker than stock pen, but the offset is every disturbing. Both the stock Note 10.1 and Slate pen feel nice on the Slate.
The wacom feel just, well... FEEL right. It is as accurate as the stock pen; I have the carbon one so it is heavy and writing notes with it is fantastic, I get no squigles, and the button is flush to the pen, so it is actually very hard to press (even when you want to press it).
You can try one of the Axiotron pens, but these are near impossible to get these days. These pens are very nice. The pen for any Wacom-IT enabled slate or convertible PC should work as well. I don't have any experience with any other pen other than the Axiotron and S7S pen, and I can tell you that at least on my case the S7S pen had some serious offset on my Note 10.1.
I am using the Bamboo Stylus Feel for drawing on the LayerPaint app. I forgot you can handwrite notes
The pressure sensitivity is waaaay better then the first Galaxy note Pen. AND it just survived a trip in the washing machine since I forgot it was in my shirt pocket when doing laundry. Two days later and it is working great again.
I felt the button was way to stiff. But it is broken in a bit now and seems pretty good. I keep it under my thumb or pointer and it seems like a fine spot.
I do have a lot of trouble with registration on the GN1 if I rotate it with the screen orientation locked. I have to hold the pen vertical. But if you are taking notes, I guess this isn't and issue.
vs SPen with eraser?
Is there anybody that has the Bamboo Feel and the SPen with an eraser that can provide input? I'm a college student and I'll use the stylus almost exclusively for note-taking. (On paper, I write with a Uniball Signo DX 0.38mm, pretty thin pen). I'm torn between these two. Thanks!
I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.
akxak said:
I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.
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Thank you, one more thing: How is the precision compared between the two? I remember reading in another thread about an annoying offset that had to be calibrated in LectureNotes with the Feel. Thanks again for your response :good:
Both pens are accurate, I did not see any offset.
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Hello,
I want to buy a stylus, but all I see is those big tip styluses, and I want some smaller tip stylus.
I know that some stylus won't work with the i9300, like the S-Pen of the note2.
So I've found some really small tip stylus pens but they are for the nintendo DS ..
How can I tell if they will work for the i9300, or they are using the technology the note2 uses so it won't work?
Thanks
Can I bump?:silly:
Check out the Samsung C-Pen. That's the smallest tipped stylus you're going to find that works on the S3.
The Nintendo DS has a resistive touchscreen, so its pen doesn't have ANY technology... It's just a piece of plastic.
Since our touchscreens are capacitive it isn't possible to get styli that small without an extra digitizer layer like the Note 2 has. C-Pen is as small as it gets for us.
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Check out the Samsung C-Pen. That's the smallest tipped stylus you're going to find that works on the S3.
The Nintendo DS has a resistive touchscreen, so its pen doesn't have ANY technology... It's just a piece of plastic.
Since our touchscreens are capacitive it isn't possible to get styli that small without an extra digitizer layer like the Note 2 has. C-Pen is as small as it gets for us.
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Can you explain a little bit more please? do you mean that the C-pen has more than just the tip? it has something inside it like the S-Pen, or something just on the tip?
verynoob said:
Can you explain a little bit more please? do you mean that the C-pen has more than just the tip? it has something inside it like the S-Pen, or something just on the tip?
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Nah its just a smaller-than-normal rubber tip that only works well with Samsung's devices. I think it has to do with how their capacitive digitizers are set up... More dense than others perhaps? I've heard reports of people trying to use the c-pen on other non-galaxy s3/4 devices but they have to push down really hard to get it to work.
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http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3
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Nah its just a smaller-than-normal rubber tip that only works well with Samsung's devices. I think it has to do with how their capacitive digitizers are set up... More dense than others perhaps? I've heard reports of people trying to use the c-pen on other non-galaxy s3/4 devices but they have to push down really hard to get it to work.
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So how can I tell if other pens will work? I mentioned those NDS pens, do you think they can work? or they use the Note 2 technology?
for example this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-DSi-Retractable-Metallic-Touch-Pen-Set-/151104612634?pt=US_Video_Game_Styluses&hash=item232e89691a
tqgia2 said:
http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3
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Thanks for showing me these,
but maybe you can tell , how am I supposed to know whether a stylus is going to work on an i9300? I know for example that the s-pen won't work because it has some wacom technology or something, but how about the NDS stylus pens? will they work? or they use the Note2 technology?
Someone said that if the tips are too small they wont work, but you just showed some very tiny tip stylus pens that do work.
verynoob said:
So how can I tell if other pens will work? I mentioned those NDS pens, do you think they can work? or they use the Note 2 technology?
for example this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-DSi-Retractable-Metallic-Touch-Pen-Set-/151104612634?pt=US_Video_Game_Styluses&hash=item232e89691a
Thanks for showing me these,
but maybe you can tell , how am I supposed to know whether a stylus is going to work on an i9300? I know for example that the s-pen won't work because it has some wacom technology or something, but how about the NDS stylus pens? will they work? or they use the Note2 technology?
Someone said that if the tips are too small they wont work, but you just showed some very tiny tip stylus pens that do work.
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NDS styluses will not work as they rely on pressure. The stylus that i just showed you does work on the i9300. I personally have one and use it myself
A picture of the stylus
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Alright I'll try to explain the differences in touchscreens:
1. Resistive touchscreens. These rely solely on pressure, thus anything can work on them... Even cheap plastic like on the Nintendo DS systems. The downfall of these types of screens are that they're not ideal to use with your fingers since light touches are usually not recognized, so a stylus is necessary.
2. Capacitive touchscreens. These rely on completing an electrical circuit between the digitizer and the object touching them. Turns out our fingers are perfect for this, but small plastic styli like the DS stylus cannot complete the circuit and are unusable on these touchscreens. Special capacitive styluses (these are the ones that will work on your i9300) use material that can complete the circuit, like rubber/soft plastic or foam. The downside to this screen technology is that you can't use precise styli. The jot stylus mentioned earlier is a innovative approach to fix this but it's rather restrictive on how you can place the stylus to the screen... Watch videos and you'll see what I mean.
3. Active pen digitizers were specifically made for digital artists to begin with to offer a high level of precision when using a stylus on a tablet. They were really only used on PCs and Macs. However recently Samsung did something brilliant and combined an active pen digitizer by wacom (the best in the business) and a capacitive touchscreen to get the best of both worlds. I'm referring to the Note devices and the S Pen.
In short, you want a capacitive stylus. The C-pen is a capacitive stylus that's smaller than all others but only functions on the galaxy s3 or s4. The Jot stylus is also a capacitive stylus that has high precision but the point is a circular transparent disc... So its kinda odd at first.
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Div033 said:
Alright I'll try to explain the differences in touchscreens:
1. Resistive touchscreens. These rely solely on pressure, thus anything can work on them... Even cheap plastic like on the Nintendo DS systems. The downfall of these types of screens are that they're not ideal to use with your fingers since light touches are usually not recognized, so a stylus is necessary.
2. Capacitive touchscreens. These rely on completing an electrical circuit between the digitizer and the object touching them. Turns out our fingers are perfect for this, but small plastic styli like the DS stylus cannot complete the circuit and are unusable on these touchscreens. Special capacitive styluses (these are the ones that will work on your i9300) use material that can complete the circuit, like rubber/soft plastic or foam. The downside to this screen technology is that you can't use precise styli. The jot stylus mentioned earlier is a innovative approach to fix this but it's rather restrictive on how you can place the stylus to the screen... Watch videos and you'll see what I mean.
3. Active pen digitizers were specifically made for digital artists to begin with to offer a high level of precision when using a stylus on a tablet. They were really only used on PCs and Macs. However recently Samsung did something brilliant and combined an active pen digitizer by wacom (the best in the business) and a capacitive touchscreen to get the best of both worlds. I'm referring to the Note devices and the S Pen.
In short, you want a capacitive stylus. The C-pen is a capacitive stylus that's smaller than all others but only functions on the galaxy s3 or s4. The Jot stylus is also a capacitive stylus that has high precision but the point is a circular transparent disc... So its kinda odd at first.
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Thank you so much , now I understand !
i bought in winter cheap stylus from ebay. Material from which it made is very cheap, but stylus worked fine in winter with gloves and now too.
verynoob said:
Hello,
I want to buy a stylus, but all I see is those big tip styluses, and I want some smaller tip stylus.
I know that some stylus won't work with the i9300, like the S-Pen of the note2.
So I've found some really small tip stylus pens but they are for the nintendo DS ..
How can I tell if they will work for the i9300, or they are using the technology the note2 uses so it won't work?
Thanks
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You could just make one yourself
Fullmetalalchemist said:
You could just make one yourself
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How?
tqgia2 said:
http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3
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+1 Good stylus indeed. But you have to do some modification before use so as to prevent skipping if you are writing. But cautious to have a screen protector as it might scratch the screen when using.
verynoob said:
How?
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heres what you need:
Pen
cue tip
foil
cut the tip of the que tip and insert it in the pen where the hole is.
use a strip of foil and make it slightly touch the cue tip and wrap it around the pen
when using it make sure that you touchh the foil
http://cnettv.cnet.com/how-make-stylus/9742-1_53-50126553.html
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heres what you need:
Pen
cue tip
foil
cut the tip of the que tip and insert it in the pen where the hole is.
use a strip of foil and make it slightly touch the cue tip and wrap it around the pen
when using it make sure that you touchh the foil
http://cnettv.cnet.com/how-make-stylus/9742-1_53-50126553.html
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Nice one although you always need to get the tip wet . .! maybe there is some other material that doesn't need to get wet and can be used as tip? but thanks
If u have earbud just wet it a little now dry a little den use it
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I was wondering if could use a preassure pen on the N7.2 and would any preasure sensitive pen work the same or do they differ?
bogii4 said:
I was wondering if could use a pressure pen on the N7.2 and would any preasure sensitive pen work the same or do they differ?
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Not quite sure what you mean by a "pressure pen", but the Nexus 7 screen is capacitance, not pressure. If you touch it with a hard, non-conductive object, nothing will happen. The stylus type pens work because they can conduct your fingers to the surface of the tablet (simplified explanation, don't flame me!). You can also try to operate the tablet with gloves on to see that the "contact" of your fingers is necessary to get the touchscreen to operate.
What I meant was for drawing a stulis like from a note 8?
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No, the S-Pen is unique and a Samsung only accessory. Too bad, it looks useful but I rather stick with Nexus.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6893/samsung-galaxy-note-80-review/4
bogii4 said:
What I meant was for drawing a stulis like from a note 8?
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The N7 doesn't have the hardware to support pens like the note 8 does. You won't get any of the pressure sensitivity that they/wacom pens get.
The only pens you can use with the N7 are going to be the capacitive touch pens, which just emulate your finger.
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The N7 doesn't have the hardware to support pens like the note 8 does. You won't get any of the pressure sensitivity that they/wacom pens get.
The only pens you can use with the N7 are going to be the capacitive touch pens, which just emulate your finger.
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Sadly this is true. The pressure sensitivity on the Note is impressive for what it is. One day they'll have something out for other tablets, but for now, stick to changing the stroke width.
sen-cha said:
Sadly this is true. The pressure sensitivity on the Note is impressive for what it is. One day they'll have something out for other tablets, but for now, stick to changing the stroke width.
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Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by preassuring more it becomes bigger
i hve no idea
bogii4 said:
Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by preassuring more it becomes bigger
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You can sort of guess the amount of pressure being applied by a finger based on the size of the touch (if you lightly touch it's small, if you press hard it's bigger as your finger squashes against the screen). So it is, sort of, touch sensitive, but if you used a stylus with a non-soft end it won't detect an increase in pressure.
bogii4 said:
Got this today and um.. when i use Photoshop if i set to a big brush size and pressure a little it,it comes small dot/line by pressuring more it becomes bigger
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Pressure sensitivity works beautifully in Photoshop Touch with a Wacom stylus (or S-Pen) on my Note 10.1.
Conversely, finger (or capacitive stylus) pressure in PS Touch on my N7 makes no difference. Not even a little bit. As already posted by others, the N7 just doesn't have the technology to do what you're asking.
Yeah, The N7 (and most other Android devices) don't have the hardware necessary for pressure sensitivity. If that's important to you, look in the direction of the Galaxy Note line of devices, or anything that advertises Wacom digitizer support. They exist, but are far and few between. This is one in particular that comes to mind, albeit with a hefty $1500-1600 price tag.
On a somewhat related note, the Adonit Jot Pro stylus works beautifully on the N7 (among any other capacitive touchscreen), so while it may not be pressure sensitive, it's pretty good for rough sketches or handwriting. If you're looking for a fine point stylus, look no further. One thing to mention though, is the sensitivity wears off after a couple weeks. Remove the plastic tip and put on very tiny bit of conductive thermal paste (think Arctic Silver 5) on the tip, then replace the plastic tip again. It's smooth sailing from there.
Its been almost a month I have with my N7(2013) and its working really very fine...in the beginning it had some issues in GPS...I also thought to use of a S-pen with it but not sure about the touch screen compatibility..if someone has tried to use something like then please do update with the reviews....
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Its been almost a month I have with my N7(2013) and its working really very fine...in the beginning it had some issues in GPS...I also thought to use of a S-pen with it but not sure about the touch screen compatibility..if someone has tried to use something like then please do update with the reviews....
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Have you read the rest of the thread? No, the S-Pen will not work. It's not just about the pen. Devices that use digitizer pens have an extra layer on the screen that allows the pens to do their magic. That layer is simply non-existent on the nexus 7.
This is why the note 8 costs more....
I've got a Wacom bamboo pocket and have to say that using my fingers works much better. Are all stylus ' like that or are there better ones?
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I have a few different rubber tipped stylists and they do not work half as good as the micro fiber mesh tipped ones do.
Where can I get those?
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Bloodflame said:
Yeah, The N7 (and most other Android devices) don't have the hardware necessary for pressure sensitivity. If that's important to you, look in the direction of the Galaxy Note line of devices, or anything that advertises Wacom digitizer support. They exist, but are far and few between. This is one in particular that comes to mind, albeit with a hefty $1500-1600 price tag.
On a somewhat related note, the Adonit Jot Pro stylus works beautifully on the N7 (among any other capacitive touchscreen), so while it may not be pressure sensitive, it's pretty good for rough sketches or handwriting. If you're looking for a fine point stylus, look no further. One thing to mention though, is the sensitivity wears off after a couple weeks. Remove the plastic tip and put on very tiny bit of conductive thermal paste (think Arctic Silver 5) on the tip, then replace the plastic tip again. It's smooth sailing from there.
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It's not necessarily the android device that needs the hardware - in Wacom tablets (as in bamboo, intuos etc., not Android tablets) the pressure sensitivity comes from the pen itself, not the tablet surface. While there's nothing on the market at the moment (?) that doesn't mean there never can be for the likes of the N7, where the pen would have the pressure sensitive hardware and then the tablet would just require the necessary hardware.
Adonit now sells the Jot Script Fine Point stylus. However, this only works with iPhone for now and kinda expensive.
I sold my Note 8.0 because I am getting the N7 LTE (if I can find one in Best Buy!) and planning to get this. Best of both world: pure Android AND stylus that is accurate.
lanwarrior said:
Adonit now sells the Jot Script Fine Point stylus. However, this only works with iPhone for now and kinda expensive.
I sold my Note 8.0 because I am getting the N7 LTE (if I can find one in Best Buy!) and planning to get this. Best of both world: pure Android AND stylus that is accurate.
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These look great, but the lack of Android support right out of the gate really has me sour on Evernote. I just don't think there is any excuse for releasing something like this as ios only. Unless they are purposely trying to alienate Android users. Not that I'm saying that's what they are doing, but it was a pretty stupid business decision regardless.
I am hoping it will eventually be usable on Android, but I haven't seen a single mention of future Android support.
Boo to you, Evernote.
I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?
lukair1983 said:
I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?
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Doesn't seem that your s-pen is faulty.
The Moving tip is part of Wacom tech and is what detects taps/clicks as well as pressure.
, however a mm or 2 2 sideways is a bit too much and should not happen.
My other Wacom pen for regular pc tablet (intuos) also dips in and out a bit, so that's normal.
Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?
lukair1983 said:
Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?
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I don't think you can use other manufacturer pens with note 8. Even Only few of the pens by wacom are compatible.
There are wacom pens with replaceable tips, but they more or less give a different surface feel as opposed to a rigid tip itself.
Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.
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Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.
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as far as i am aware, up to samsung Galaxy Note 3.0 all s-pen enabled devices have same underlying technology by wacom, so it's the same manufacturer (samsung/wacom).
however some pens might work across the board on a lot of devices and some might not due to device specific calibrations.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/overlays/articles/2013/1027-samsung-galaxy-note
I see. Thanks for additional info.
So if I hold down buttons (on a forbidden stylus)) I can click and drag in my fold4. It is ABSOLUTELY compatable with older stylus
Its a simple matter of having it allowing the frequency codes of the other stylus. We know it sees them in order to throw up the warnings.
I strongly believe the "will damage your screen" warnings are for gorillas who might use the phone.
I have never warn out a single stylus,
I am a very light pressure drawer and on op of that I have soft nibs & spring nibs from other pens
I want to take the risk and use my standard pens as I have many Wacom devices I use at once and it get annoying swaping pens.
Yes I have the 2-in-1 pro spen. But I dont want the hassle of having to flip the switch 100 times a day.
Same here, hope there is a workaround.
¿Any non samsung spen compatible with our fold 4? I don't want the bt version, just a standar one to have it at home.
kban2000 said:
¿Any non samsung spen compatible with our fold 4? I don't want the bt version, just a standar one to have it at home.
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Nillkin iSketch Adjustable Capacitive Stylus... Bought one a year or so ago. It works on ALL capacitive touch screens...
Cost around $50Aud but work brilliantly...
Quick search found here - https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4000379135172.html
You should find a little cheaper if you look as this was 1st hit I found....
I have an old Samsung HM5100 stylus and I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be able to use it with my fold 4. If anyone can figure out how I can I will be forever thankful.
Came from Note 20 Ultra. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to use it on my Fold4.
Let us all not let this thread die, please.
I have a Note 8 AND a Note 10+.
Both their S-Pen's air gestures can be recognized by the sensors on the Fold 4's inner display.
And I'm gonna be using it with a screen protector anyway.
I don't understand WHY anyone hasn't paid attention to this thread yet.
Come on guys, you'll be collecting blessings out of this.
do the old spens of the note, tab, s series work on fold 4? I have both bt and non bt spen.
peppet said:
do the old spens of the note, tab, s series work on fold 4? I have both bt and non bt spen.
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NO !
SPen Fold edition has an special "retractile nib system" to use with Samsung Folds
Oddly enough, I use the Nilikin Spen on all my devices and it works on the fold 4 even when I turn the SPEN 'off' on the phone, because it is a powered pen (chargeable) .. but- it defeats the purpose. The pen is BIG and has to be carried just as the original SPEN coming from Samsung, and the fold phones do not have WHERE to put them, unless the case has it, and I use the phone naked. Further more- I use a Samsung laptop and it comes with a built in pen that DOES NOT work on the FOLD. Frustration? Hack yeah ! So I have a pen that works on 'all' my devices, but it isn't a reasonable solution. Also - The Nilikin pen has a fairly wide tip compared to the original FOLD SPEN. Not great. Samsung must find a way, with such a bulky phone, to host an SPEN, and better be one compatible to their other devices (laptop and N10/N20 series). Pathetic solution so far for the FOLD 3/4 .
Ok, I won't buy it then!