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[Q] Stylus? Worth it?

I've been looking into getting a stylus? What are your thoughts? Do all of them have round blunt ends? this is the one I was looking at...
http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/BambooStylus.aspx

Yes, they all have round blunt ends. Some are better than others but there's really nothing you can do about it with a capacitive screen.
You are never going to get anywhere near the accuracy you would get with an active digitizer. Also, you'll never have any sort of pressure sensitivity.
so personally, I don't think it's worth it but I'm probably not the best person to give you advice. I am user of windows tablets with active digitizers(wacom and n-trig) so I will never have any respect for capacitive styli. then again, they're pretty cheap and they do work to some extent so I guess you can't really lose.
I'll stick with my fujitsu t5010 for now and I'll probably get a fujitsu q550, motion computing cl900 or asus ep121 soon. If I really wanted to take notes with an android tablet, I'd get the htc flyer(it has an n-trig digitizer) but the note taking software for android is really quite pathetic compared to something like one note for windows.
don't get me wrong here. I'm a huge fan of android. I actually write android tablet apps for a living. there's a lot of things android tablets do well but note taking is not one of those things.

Just make sure you get one with rubber tip and not foam.

smaskell said:
you'll never have any sort of pressure sensitivity.
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The HTC Flyer + stylus has pressure sensitivity. I have both these tablets and I like them both, but the Flyer is my favorite.

MountainX said:
The HTC Flyer + stylus has pressure sensitivity. I have both these tablets and I like them both, but the Flyer is my favorite.
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That's because the flyer has a n-trig active digitizer. The galaxy tab, however, certainly does not.

I use a Targus stylus from time to time on my XOOM and my Galaxy Tab 7.
The primary advantage for me is fingerprint reduction. Its nice to clean the screen and have it stay clean for a while. Try eating Pizza and poking your tablet's screen with your finger!
Accuracy is better with a stylus, however in terms of speed, fingers are generally faster.

Digital Man said:
I use a Targus stylus from time to time on my XOOM and my Galaxy Tab 7.
The primary advantage for me is fingerprint reduction. Its nice to clean the screen and have it stay clean for a while. Try eating Pizza and poking your tablet's screen with your finger!
Accuracy is better with a stylus, however in terms of speed, fingers are generally faster.
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That's a good idea. I will look into that.

I love my SGP Stylus. Highly recommend it, got it on Amazon with prime (and it's white)
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good stylus
I got myself a few of these and they work wonders.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fashion-stylus-pen-for-iphone-ipad-red-81284
Cheap, great build quality and man do they work good...

discord2k said:
I got myself a few of these and they work wonders.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fashion-stylus-pen-for-iphone-ipad-red-81284
Cheap, great build quality and man do they work good...
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OK, I just bought two on your recommendation... (hope you aren't a spamer)

haha... Not a spammer. Don't worry.
All my friends have bought tablets in the last few weeks and I got em all some of these and they all use them. Even when they pinch to zoom they use one finger on the screen and the stylus.
You'll like it. It's very precise and matches the build quality of the targus one.

You can make a good stylus out of an aluminum pen or hollow aluminum tube (from a telescopic mirror or an antenna) and some conductive foam squeezed into the end. there are tutorials on youtube. You should be able to get the foam from a computer supply shop or you can order it for cheap on ebay

the Dagi Stylus P501 looks like the one to get
find them on ebay
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssLu0z7SGgc

picked up an official Samsung stylus.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab-accessories/ET-S100CBEGSTA

I just bought a 2 pack for 5 free shipping. So, yeah, it's worth it even if I use them once.

I have the samsung stylus in hand. Super smooth. Makes getting around the swype keyboard a breeze. I might be more accurate with it than my finger.
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C-pen samsung

I just tried the samsung pen and it is not as good as expected. Its not crisp and quick. Writing with my finger is better. So the pen goes back to the maker.
It may have to do with the screen protector but I doubt it.
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vasp3690 said:
It may have to do with the screen protector but I doubt it.
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Removing my screen protector helped a bit but I'm still not impressed either.

How did you expect it to work? It's not smart like the s-pen on the note. All it is meant to do is replace a finger.
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Lennyuk said:
How did you expect it to work? It's not smart like the s-pen on the note. All it is meant to do is replace a finger.
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True. I didn't expect it to be better than s-note, but I didn't also expect to be worse than my finger!!
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vasp3690 said:
True. I didn't expect it to be better than s-note, but I didn't also expect to be worse than my finger!!
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My thoughts exactly!

I'm using one of those cheap stylus pens often bundled with cases and I found that it's better than my finger. Don't see the need for a c - pen know I know it's not an improvement
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Alex Charles said:
I'm using one of those cheap stylus pens often bundled with cases and I found that it's better than my finger. Don't see the need for a c - pen know I know it's not an improvement
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do you remember which one was that?
i thought id find the c-pen and memo usefull if i could write in a similar fashion as when taking notes on a paper. (well as close as it can get)

This is just Samsung cashing in on the popularity of S-Pen and charging 40 times the price of some capacitive pens with no better results.

You could tell by all of the pictures that the CPen is a gimmick. I was very disappointed when they didn't replicate the Note's SPen.
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CreekDirt said:
You could tell by all of the pictures that the CPen is a gimmick. I was very disappointed when they didn't replicate the Note's SPen.
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Well, it is has a 3mm tip according to the specs. This is much smaller than a capacitive stylus.

I don't understand why they would change what already works. Does it have a button like the Note stylus?
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No. No buttons on it
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C pen a big failure
The C-pen is a complete failure, its really bad, i expected it to be better than galaxy note as there is a lotta hype created for samsung galaxy s3. I was completely taken aback with its sad precision and smoothness.The way Samsung is going i thought they must have definitely improved the feel of thw cpen but it was not. this is a set back.

CreekDirt said:
I don't understand why they would change what already works. Does it have a button like the Note stylus?
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The Note is marketed to a specific segment, completely different from the Galaxy S line of phones. The Note uses a Wacom digitizer for the stylus that is much more precise, whereas the S3 uses a traditional capacitive pen because it isn't marketed to have the same kind of stylus functionality as the Note (and the Wacom digitizer does add a certain amount cost) - otherwise they'd include the stylus with the S3 the same way it's included with the Note.
Actually, the C-Pen is more than a regular capacitive stylus since it apparently doesn't work with other capacitive screens for some reason, but the principle is still the same. It's like wondering why your cell phone is missing the nice 10 inch screen from a tablet.

creon100 said:
The Note is marketed to a specific segment, completely different from the Galaxy S line of phones. The Note uses a Wacom digitizer for the stylus that is much more precise, whereas the S3 uses a traditional capacitive pen because it isn't marketed to have the same kind of stylus functionality as the Note (and the Wacom digitizer does add a certain amount cost) - otherwise they'd include the stylus with the S3 the same way it's included with the Note.
Actually, the C-Pen is more than a regular capacitive stylus since it apparently doesn't work with other capacitive screens for some reason, but the principle is still the same. It's like wondering why your cell phone is missing the nice 10 inch screen from a tablet.
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It is a step backwards. Sure the Note was a niche market, but they didn't skimp on the stylus for it. SMemo and SNote can't be the same with the CPen. IMO they should've stuck with the design even if it is an optional accessory. It adds more functionality.
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I just don't like the implication through omission of details Samsung are making that this is like the S Pen, I mean I just think they want to trick people to believing this can do the same job as S Pen because obviously it's got a similar name and they making no effort to explain it.

CreekDirt said:
It is a step backwards. Sure the Note was a niche market, but they didn't skimp on the stylus for it. SMemo and SNote can't be the same with the CPen. IMO they should've stuck with the design even if it is an optional accessory. It adds more functionality.
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Adding the Wacom digitizer adds cost to the phone, so the phone would have cost more with it included. It makes sense to not include it when this is marketed to those wanting a regular phone, whereas those that are looking for specific stylus functionality can go to the Note.

creon100 said:
Adding the Wacom digitizer adds cost to the phone, so the phone would have cost more with it included. It makes sense to not include it when this is marketed to those wanting a regular phone, whereas those that are looking for specific stylus functionality can go to the Note.
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I understand why they didn't offer the pen with the phone and why the Note would have one. Why they didn't make an SPen that is compatible is what I am wondering. Cost isn't an issue when sold as an accessory.
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CreekDirt said:
I understand why they didn't offer the pen with the phone and why the Note would have one. Why they didn't make an SPen that is compatible is what I am wondering. Cost isn't an issue when sold as an accessory.
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I can see why they'd sell it as an accessory but I would hope it actually worked properly. Once the word is out that its crap, noone will get it.
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I tried this C-pen as well and it's a PoS.
Ironically, I've just taken delivery of a charging stand that comes with a free pen (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0080R6MW0/ref=oh_details_o03_s01_i00) and that one works better than the C-pen. (And it's an ink pen too!)
Couldn't make it up.

Hate the Bamboo Stylus FEEL; is there an S-Pen alternative that writes accurately?

At first, I liked the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and simply adjusted LectureNotes for the offset (approximately 6-7 pixels for me). However, the pen kept creating "tails" or "trails" or "squiggles" nearly every time the pen was lifted from the screen (which you kinda have to do when you are writing letters in print). This drove me crazy but I suppose I adjusted by developing a quick eraser-finger or hitting the "undo" button with reckless abandon.
I had grown so used to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL's quirks that I had forgotten how amazing the included S-pen is (but I quickly remembered when I forgot my Bamboo at home the other day). It felt strange NOT to hit the "undo" button every few seconds. However, the Bamboo spoiled me because it was much more comfortable to hold; the s-pen felt tiny in my hand.
As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
and the Samsung Series 7 Slate Pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Elect...1367537810&sr=1-1&keywords=series+7+slate+pen)
Can anyone comment on their experience with these pens? My main priority is accuracy; as long as it's even somewhat bigger than the included s-pen, I'm sure I'll be happy.
Or feel free to suggest a different pen, if there's a better one out there.

@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).

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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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I did this and it fixed those tails right up.
Now the only problem is that I hit the button on the stylus ALL THE TIME. I wish the button was a bit higher up to be honest.

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@drdoombot: To get rid of the strange `tails´, enable the pressure filter in the LectureNotes' input settings with a threshold of 5% or so (whether you enable `enforce lifting´ is a matter of taste, most user disable that).
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Thanks for the tip, but I tried going from 5% to 30% stepwise (it took a few hours) and even though it got better, it still happened regularly enough to be frustrating. Using the original S-pen, it's much rarer.

@apallohadas: I agree, the S-pen button is indeed somewhat misplaced. Personally, I decided not to use the button at all and I wrapped a piece of tape around it to avoid to unintentionally press it.
@drdoombot: Actually, 5% should be sufficient. Maybe your S-pen is somewhat too sensitive, have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDDKGPj2FI (which is a rather extreme example, I admit).

I have the official Samsung S-pen and love it. I can't compare to the Bamboo Stylus FEEL since I don't have one. It is as accurate as the included S-pen but full size. It has not left me wanting for another stylus.

I ordered the SPen holder kit yesterday, hopefully it's as good as I expect it to be! The choice was between the samsung "Pen with eraser for Note 10.1" and the one I ordered, but this one seemed alot more solid so I thought I'll give it a try. It only has a button though, but I couldn't find a official Note pen with two and the pen for other tablets seems to all have some precision issues.
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I received a S pen with eraser this morning and its awesome! In my eyes its just the right length, as its long enough to be used like a normal pen but isn't that obtrusive. The eraser at the end also works really well totally worth the tenner I paid for it, the Note 10.1 is now like a normal notebook!
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As far as I can tell, the two main contenders for full-sized pens for the 10.1 (besides the Bamboo Stylus FEEL) are the official Samsung S-pen (listed here: http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sams...&qid=1367538582&sr=1-7&keywords=samsung+s+pen)
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I have both the Samsung S-Pen and the Bamboo Stylus FEEL and here, I cannot confirm the problems with the FEEL.
The S-Pen from Samsung is ok, the rubber function is good. But with that, I have the problem of hitting the button. And it is very lightweight.
I bought the FEEL and keep the Samsung S-Pen at work in case I forget the FEEL at home.
The button of the FEEL is aligned with the surface and (at least for me) difficult to push accidently.
Neither with Lecture Notes nor with MyScript Notes Mobile I observe writing after releasing the pen from the surface.

Wacom suggested this
Hi all,
I have the Stylus Feel, and I've been mainly using it with S-Note (though I am trying LectureNotes based on the good feedback from these forum.
Like a lot of you, I'm getting the "squigglies" and hate it. I contacted Wacom, and here's what they said:
Bamboo feel pen only works on Galaxy Note 10.1 if the factory Samsung pen is removed from its holder.
On the Galaxy Note 10.1, select Settings, and then click on S Pen. Once here, you can toggle the option for “Battery Saving”. When this is turned on, the digitizer is not active unless the pen is out of the dock, so if the Samsung pen is in its holder, no active pen will work on the display. Slide the pen out of its holder, and Bamboo Feel and the Samsung pen are active.
Solution: If Battery Saving is un-checked in the S Pen settings, then it doesn’t matter if the Samsung pen is docked in the device, the Bamboo feel pen will work fine at all times.​
I hope this helps. Let us know if we can be of further assistance.
So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.

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So then I thought: this stylus technology uses magnetized stylus and sensors - maybe the S-Pen staying in the tablet is causing the issue. I checked the power check box (above), mainly to remind me to take out the internal S-Pen, and it seems like the squigglies are mostly gone. I'd be curious what others think.
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Actually no, it doesn't have any magnets in it even if that's a common misunderstanding. Not really sensors either, even if I guess that depends of what you define as a sensor.
But who cares really, if it solves the problem The pressure filter in LectureNotes has helped me alot removing those "squiggles" with the stock pen, maybe you should check it out!
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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.

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Thanks for the response Axel - I got to thinking - how does it work then. It's clearly not pressure only, otherwise we wouldn't have the hover features.
Looked at a "WACOM Technology" link on Wikipedia, and there's a wealth of info (can't post link). Seems there's a triggering device in the pen, as well as an ID chip. The tablet has the electronics that make an electromagnetic connection to the pen, and there are pressure sensors in the tablet face. Amazing that they make this totally transparent to the tablet design.
So theoretically, if the tablet is triggering the pen, and there's more than one pen, it could cause an issue, hence Wacom's suggestion.
On your suggestion and from reading other posts, looks like LectureNotes may be better all around. I've started using it, so we'll see.
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Actually, you're not all wrong with your magnet theory and that is indeed how many similar products are working. But the note (and all other Wacom's products) use a kind of electromagnetic waves that are transmitted from the tablet. The wave is then picked up by the pen, first to generate a small amount of electricity in the pen (kind of like an induction stove) that runs a small chip inside the pen that finally will transmit a modified version of the wave back to the tablet. There's a pressure sensor in the pen that gives the chip information about how hard you press and the button is somehow connected to the chip as well. Due to some algorithms the tablet can compare the received wave with the transmitted wave and get a really accurate position of the pen and its conditions (button pressed or not and pressure level).
A simple but quite accurate description is a "piano fork" (you know, the tuning device for a piano). The tablet is the string and the pen is the fork, when getting close to the tablet the pen starts to oscillate. The tablet then picks up these oscillations and depending on the frequency of the wave and phase shift (how much after in time the oscillations are) it can determine the position.
Hope that made somewhat sense
For note taking LectureNotes is outstanding, if there's something you don't like about it there's a great chance there's a setting that fixes it!
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I second the vote for the S-Pen with eraser. Have been using it for two days now and wouldn't go without anymore. Good size, could do with a bit more heft (that's probably where the FEEL has the advantage), but the button is well-placed and the eraser end is just so convenient to have.
Can't comment on the FEEL as I don't have one and being happy with the S-Pen with eraser I don't think I'll order one anytime soon.
EDIT: forgot to add that it's (unsurprisingly) just as accurate as the original included S-Pen.
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I have a Samsung 7 Series slate and when I try it's pen on my Note 10.1, the offset is horrible. It has an eraser and it's longer and thicker than stock pen, but the offset is every disturbing. Both the stock Note 10.1 and Slate pen feel nice on the Slate.
The wacom feel just, well... FEEL right. It is as accurate as the stock pen; I have the carbon one so it is heavy and writing notes with it is fantastic, I get no squigles, and the button is flush to the pen, so it is actually very hard to press (even when you want to press it).
You can try one of the Axiotron pens, but these are near impossible to get these days. These pens are very nice. The pen for any Wacom-IT enabled slate or convertible PC should work as well. I don't have any experience with any other pen other than the Axiotron and S7S pen, and I can tell you that at least on my case the S7S pen had some serious offset on my Note 10.1.

I am using the Bamboo Stylus Feel for drawing on the LayerPaint app. I forgot you can handwrite notes
The pressure sensitivity is waaaay better then the first Galaxy note Pen. AND it just survived a trip in the washing machine since I forgot it was in my shirt pocket when doing laundry. Two days later and it is working great again.
I felt the button was way to stiff. But it is broken in a bit now and seems pretty good. I keep it under my thumb or pointer and it seems like a fine spot.
I do have a lot of trouble with registration on the GN1 if I rotate it with the screen orientation locked. I have to hold the pen vertical. But if you are taking notes, I guess this isn't and issue.

vs SPen with eraser?
Is there anybody that has the Bamboo Feel and the SPen with an eraser that can provide input? I'm a college student and I'll use the stylus almost exclusively for note-taking. (On paper, I write with a Uniball Signo DX 0.38mm, pretty thin pen). I'm torn between these two. Thanks!

I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.

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I have both and prefer the Feel for the size, diameter and weight. If the eraser is the major criteria, then the Feel is no option. But all programs offer a quick eraser by selection and the button could also be used.
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Thank you, one more thing: How is the precision compared between the two? I remember reading in another thread about an annoying offset that had to be calibrated in LectureNotes with the Feel. Thanks again for your response :good:

Both pens are accurate, I did not see any offset.
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Small tip stylus for the I9300?

Hello,
I want to buy a stylus, but all I see is those big tip styluses, and I want some smaller tip stylus.
I know that some stylus won't work with the i9300, like the S-Pen of the note2.
So I've found some really small tip stylus pens but they are for the nintendo DS ..
How can I tell if they will work for the i9300, or they are using the technology the note2 uses so it won't work?
Thanks

Can I bump?:silly:

Check out the Samsung C-Pen. That's the smallest tipped stylus you're going to find that works on the S3.
The Nintendo DS has a resistive touchscreen, so its pen doesn't have ANY technology... It's just a piece of plastic.
Since our touchscreens are capacitive it isn't possible to get styli that small without an extra digitizer layer like the Note 2 has. C-Pen is as small as it gets for us.
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Div033 said:
Check out the Samsung C-Pen. That's the smallest tipped stylus you're going to find that works on the S3.
The Nintendo DS has a resistive touchscreen, so its pen doesn't have ANY technology... It's just a piece of plastic.
Since our touchscreens are capacitive it isn't possible to get styli that small without an extra digitizer layer like the Note 2 has. C-Pen is as small as it gets for us.
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Can you explain a little bit more please? do you mean that the C-pen has more than just the tip? it has something inside it like the S-Pen, or something just on the tip?

verynoob said:
Can you explain a little bit more please? do you mean that the C-pen has more than just the tip? it has something inside it like the S-Pen, or something just on the tip?
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Nah its just a smaller-than-normal rubber tip that only works well with Samsung's devices. I think it has to do with how their capacitive digitizers are set up... More dense than others perhaps? I've heard reports of people trying to use the c-pen on other non-galaxy s3/4 devices but they have to push down really hard to get it to work.
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http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3

Div033 said:
Nah its just a smaller-than-normal rubber tip that only works well with Samsung's devices. I think it has to do with how their capacitive digitizers are set up... More dense than others perhaps? I've heard reports of people trying to use the c-pen on other non-galaxy s3/4 devices but they have to push down really hard to get it to work.
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So how can I tell if other pens will work? I mentioned those NDS pens, do you think they can work? or they use the Note 2 technology?
for example this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-DSi-Retractable-Metallic-Touch-Pen-Set-/151104612634?pt=US_Video_Game_Styluses&hash=item232e89691a
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http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3
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Thanks for showing me these,
but maybe you can tell , how am I supposed to know whether a stylus is going to work on an i9300? I know for example that the s-pen won't work because it has some wacom technology or something, but how about the NDS stylus pens? will they work? or they use the Note2 technology?
Someone said that if the tips are too small they wont work, but you just showed some very tiny tip stylus pens that do work.

verynoob said:
So how can I tell if other pens will work? I mentioned those NDS pens, do you think they can work? or they use the Note 2 technology?
for example this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nintendo-DSi-Retractable-Metallic-Touch-Pen-Set-/151104612634?pt=US_Video_Game_Styluses&hash=item232e89691a
Thanks for showing me these,
but maybe you can tell , how am I supposed to know whether a stylus is going to work on an i9300? I know for example that the s-pen won't work because it has some wacom technology or something, but how about the NDS stylus pens? will they work? or they use the Note2 technology?
Someone said that if the tips are too small they wont work, but you just showed some very tiny tip stylus pens that do work.
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NDS styluses will not work as they rely on pressure. The stylus that i just showed you does work on the i9300. I personally have one and use it myself

A picture of the stylus
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Alright I'll try to explain the differences in touchscreens:
1. Resistive touchscreens. These rely solely on pressure, thus anything can work on them... Even cheap plastic like on the Nintendo DS systems. The downfall of these types of screens are that they're not ideal to use with your fingers since light touches are usually not recognized, so a stylus is necessary.
2. Capacitive touchscreens. These rely on completing an electrical circuit between the digitizer and the object touching them. Turns out our fingers are perfect for this, but small plastic styli like the DS stylus cannot complete the circuit and are unusable on these touchscreens. Special capacitive styluses (these are the ones that will work on your i9300) use material that can complete the circuit, like rubber/soft plastic or foam. The downside to this screen technology is that you can't use precise styli. The jot stylus mentioned earlier is a innovative approach to fix this but it's rather restrictive on how you can place the stylus to the screen... Watch videos and you'll see what I mean.
3. Active pen digitizers were specifically made for digital artists to begin with to offer a high level of precision when using a stylus on a tablet. They were really only used on PCs and Macs. However recently Samsung did something brilliant and combined an active pen digitizer by wacom (the best in the business) and a capacitive touchscreen to get the best of both worlds. I'm referring to the Note devices and the S Pen.
In short, you want a capacitive stylus. The C-pen is a capacitive stylus that's smaller than all others but only functions on the galaxy s3 or s4. The Jot stylus is also a capacitive stylus that has high precision but the point is a circular transparent disc... So its kinda odd at first.
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Div033 said:
Alright I'll try to explain the differences in touchscreens:
1. Resistive touchscreens. These rely solely on pressure, thus anything can work on them... Even cheap plastic like on the Nintendo DS systems. The downfall of these types of screens are that they're not ideal to use with your fingers since light touches are usually not recognized, so a stylus is necessary.
2. Capacitive touchscreens. These rely on completing an electrical circuit between the digitizer and the object touching them. Turns out our fingers are perfect for this, but small plastic styli like the DS stylus cannot complete the circuit and are unusable on these touchscreens. Special capacitive styluses (these are the ones that will work on your i9300) use material that can complete the circuit, like rubber/soft plastic or foam. The downside to this screen technology is that you can't use precise styli. The jot stylus mentioned earlier is a innovative approach to fix this but it's rather restrictive on how you can place the stylus to the screen... Watch videos and you'll see what I mean.
3. Active pen digitizers were specifically made for digital artists to begin with to offer a high level of precision when using a stylus on a tablet. They were really only used on PCs and Macs. However recently Samsung did something brilliant and combined an active pen digitizer by wacom (the best in the business) and a capacitive touchscreen to get the best of both worlds. I'm referring to the Note devices and the S Pen.
In short, you want a capacitive stylus. The C-pen is a capacitive stylus that's smaller than all others but only functions on the galaxy s3 or s4. The Jot stylus is also a capacitive stylus that has high precision but the point is a circular transparent disc... So its kinda odd at first.
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Thank you so much , now I understand !

i bought in winter cheap stylus from ebay. Material from which it made is very cheap, but stylus worked fine in winter with gloves and now too.

verynoob said:
Hello,
I want to buy a stylus, but all I see is those big tip styluses, and I want some smaller tip stylus.
I know that some stylus won't work with the i9300, like the S-Pen of the note2.
So I've found some really small tip stylus pens but they are for the nintendo DS ..
How can I tell if they will work for the i9300, or they are using the technology the note2 uses so it won't work?
Thanks
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You could just make one yourself

Fullmetalalchemist said:
You could just make one yourself
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How?

tqgia2 said:
http://adonit.net/jot/
I have one of their styluses and they work perfectly on my s3
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+1 Good stylus indeed. But you have to do some modification before use so as to prevent skipping if you are writing. But cautious to have a screen protector as it might scratch the screen when using.

verynoob said:
How?
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heres what you need:
Pen
cue tip
foil
cut the tip of the que tip and insert it in the pen where the hole is.
use a strip of foil and make it slightly touch the cue tip and wrap it around the pen
when using it make sure that you touchh the foil
http://cnettv.cnet.com/how-make-stylus/9742-1_53-50126553.html

Fullmetalalchemist said:
heres what you need:
Pen
cue tip
foil
cut the tip of the que tip and insert it in the pen where the hole is.
use a strip of foil and make it slightly touch the cue tip and wrap it around the pen
when using it make sure that you touchh the foil
http://cnettv.cnet.com/how-make-stylus/9742-1_53-50126553.html
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Nice one although you always need to get the tip wet . .! maybe there is some other material that doesn't need to get wet and can be used as tip? but thanks

If u have earbud just wet it a little now dry a little den use it
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Should the s-pen have flexible or stiff tip?

I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?

lukair1983 said:
I just purchased note 8.0 which is really great, but one thing is starting to annoy me (a little). That's the tip of the s-pen which is flexible (it moves on the sides a milimetr or two) and also if I press it against a surface the tip is pushed a 1/2 mm inside the s-pen.
I would much more preffer a stiff tip, like my pen's, and I was wondering if it's just a faulty s-pen I got, or if it's by design and all you have the same kind of s-pen tip?
If so... is there any way I can make the tip to be still like say... a pencil tip? What would be important is to have it reversible, so gluing the tip to the case is rather out of the question.
Any help from someone who was looking for the same thing as me?
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Doesn't seem that your s-pen is faulty.
The Moving tip is part of Wacom tech and is what detects taps/clicks as well as pressure.
, however a mm or 2 2 sideways is a bit too much and should not happen.
My other Wacom pen for regular pc tablet (intuos) also dips in and out a bit, so that's normal.

Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?

lukair1983 said:
Thanks for responding. I appriciate taking the time.
But isn't it true that you can use other manufacturers pens with galaxy note series, and some of them have stiff tips?
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I don't think you can use other manufacturer pens with note 8. Even Only few of the pens by wacom are compatible.
There are wacom pens with replaceable tips, but they more or less give a different surface feel as opposed to a rigid tip itself.

Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.

lukair1983 said:
Oh, I didn't know that. So the s-pen's for Galaxy Note 8.0 are different than for other note's, in terms of technology? The thing about other pens I was writing in reference to other galaxy devices that use s-pen, where people said they purchased other (bigger) stylus'es.
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as far as i am aware, up to samsung Galaxy Note 3.0 all s-pen enabled devices have same underlying technology by wacom, so it's the same manufacturer (samsung/wacom).
however some pens might work across the board on a lot of devices and some might not due to device specific calibrations.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/overlays/articles/2013/1027-samsung-galaxy-note

I see. Thanks for additional info.