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What you guys think? Any preference?
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/01/09...envatars-for-the-galaxy-note-4-and-note-edge/
My personal opinion is that Samsung needs to stop wasting resource on unnecessary crap and focus on making their Note line a professional tool rather than a gimmiky phablet.
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My personal opinion is that Samsung needs to stop wasting resource on unnecessary crap and focus on making their Note line a professional tool rather than a gimmiky phablet.
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Can't really argue with this.
Really, not a big fan of Marvel anyways. What a joke.
it seems like fun, i would rather them focus on getting us 5.x vs this, but if they can do both, i don't think they're the worst thing samsung has done.
Waste of resources. Certainly the folks throwing so much money on a Note 4 aren't really looking for something like this. I got this to supplement my tablet as a business tool, not to be cute or quirky...
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Waste of resources. Certainly the folks throwing so much money on a Note 4 aren't really looking for something like this. I got this to supplement my tablet as a business tool, not to be cute or quirky...
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The Keyword is "You". Others got it for other reasons. Secondly, they have other teams working on different things. It's not like they halted any progress to work on Penvatars. I got this phone to hopefully get back into drawing and I happen to use my pen a lot so this is a cool little addition although it's no necessary but cool nonetheless.
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The Keyword is "You". Others got it for other reasons. Secondly, they have other teams working on different things. It's not like they halted any progress to work on Penvatars. I got this phone to hopefully get back into drawing and I happen to use my pen a lot so this is a cool little addition although it's no necessary but cool nonetheless.
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Well, technically by business tool, I mean drawing while I'm in meetings. I use it more for drawing than anything else (except texting, I guess). Heh...
Still think the little super hero faces and stuff are a waste, though.
I'm sure they already released 5.0 to the carriers but they are too busy raping it with their crapware.
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I'm sure they already released 5.0 to the carriers but they are too busy raping it with their crapware.
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I would hope so. It would be nice to see them roll out to international/non-carrier versions to give an indication. It's great to see that S5s are getting rollouts of Android L in Europe already (posted 2 days ago on Sammobile).
I am absolutely sure by the end of the month Samsung will have had released their L. Now how long it takes for AT&T to molest it and rip out essential settings to implement their own half-assed versions of it hopefully won't take too terribly long.
To the topic, I think this is kind of cool. Obviously just a fun gimmic and I have high doubts it is delaying anything by implementing this sort of stuff. Really, patience is a virtue. By the time L comes out we'll probably all be used to it after a week and complaining about something new so JUST HOLD TIGHT!! L isn't expected to bring any new 'business' features anyhow to the Note 4 so this really isn't effecting that sort of use-case anyhow.
It would be cool to see who's drawing through penvatars when sharing notes via screenplay, but that's all I can think of this being useful for in a business sense. And that's only if penvatars would even work in that sense.
I remember making my own on the sky air note 2 rom. It literally takes 10 min to photoshop and add the files to the framework and flash. This isn't a resource heavy project for Samsung by any stretch of the imagination.
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I remember making my own on the sky air note 2 rom. It literally takes 10 min to photoshop and add the files to the framework and flash. This isn't a resource heavy project for Samsung by any stretch of the imagination.
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Don't worry, most normal people know that. It's just that some people will complain about anything and everything. It's the way of the world. They can get $1 million dollars dropped on their lap and complain it wasn't $2 million dollars.
Took me a minute to write this response, and it was a waste of my time and energy. That's a minute I'll never get back.
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Really, not a big fan of Marvel anyways. What a joke.
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So because you don't like it, it is a joke? I happen to like Marvel and think it is not a bad idea. One of the biggest benefits to buying a Galaxy series phone is to be able to customize things. If you don't like it, don't use it. Pretty easy.
Seems like that guy is a little pissed off about the whole idea. I don't see the problem with it at all. Just like with a lot of things when it comes to android. If you don't like it then don't use it. It's that simple.
It'd be pretty cool if you were like 12...
So, are these available? Where do I get them?
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-modular-smartphone-case?ref=category_popular
Has some nice features for the phone and with modules would make it easy to swap new parts over.
http://nexpaq.com/choose-your-phone/
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https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-modular-smartphone-case?ref=category_popular
Has some nice features for the phone and with modules would make it easy to swap new parts over.
http://nexpaq.com/choose-your-phone/
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Does it work with the OPO though? I see they have a poll for requesting support for other devices besides iPhone 6, Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge or Samsung Galaxy S5, but I couldnt open the poll page?
Interesting idea though, looking forward to seeing some more Project ARA news.
this is gonna make any phone bulky and ugly as sin. good idea, but horrible execution imo. project ara would be the right way to go, where the entire phone itself is modular.
Isnt this idea based on project Ara...?
No stretch goals for One Plus...even though its showed in the body of the kickstarter.
I don't know if this case is really good and slim...
First time I'm leading such a thing so mods, if there's a better way to lead people to the right thread, please let me know!
I've started a XZ1 & XZ1 Compact bounty thread for getting a reward pool up for anyone who can find a locked bootloader root method, TA backup & restore method or any other way to root and retain DRM features. Thought it would be great to have the bounty in a single thread for both the normal size XZ1 and XZ1 Compact since both models are very similar and obtaining root usually comes in pairs anyway since the Z1 and Z3 days.
Aside from the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact having great on-paper specs and being very appealing, I'm also fed up that the latest Xperia model where root and retain DRM is possible is the 1 year old XZ!! I'm sure some of you share the same feelings too!
When i get mine i am up for testing.
XZ1Compact is a junk i returned it sorry.
Ok, so.. this is my first time being interested in a Sony device. Long time LG user here, and I'd be all over the V30 if T-Mobile didn't lock the bootloader down. Is the purpose for this bounty solely to retain DRM keys after the bootloader unlock? I see the XZ1 is part of the Sony Open source project where they let you unlock the bootloader. I only want to root this phone for v4a and adaway.
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Is the purpose for this bounty solely to retain DRM keys after the bootloader unlock?
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Your question is answered in the thread the OP linked to, aka the bounty thread.
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Your question is answered in the thread the OP linked to, aka the bounty thread.
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My apologies. I was too vague in my original question. I was hoping for specifics pertaining to this model, the XZ1 Compact. I'm well aware of the proprietary Sony software lost by removing DRM keys. I know after several reviews I've read that the XZ1 does lack a couple of features that it's bigger brother.
Another question. If Sony has this open source platform set up specifically for developers to create ROM's based on this XZ1 Compact, why would Sony hinder the performance and features by not allowing you to keep the DRM keys when unlocking the bootloader in a simple fashion?
Please don't respond if my questions upset you. I've read the posts and I'm posting questions here because I'm genuinely interested in this.
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My apologies. I was too vague in my original question. I was hoping for specifics pertaining to this model, the XZ1 Compact. I'm well aware of the proprietary Sony software lost by removing DRM keys. I know after several reviews I've read that the XZ1 does lack a couple of features that it's bigger brother.
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Can you elaborate on what you want to know? You said you are already aware of feature loss, so what sort of specifics are you talking about?
As you said, the XZ1 Compact does not have any additional features that the bigger brother XZ1 doesn't, hence whatever DRM-reliant features are lost in the absence of DRM keys on the XZ1, the same goes for the XZ1 Compact.
Sony has never really published a list of features that will be broken, they're somewhat (purposefully) vague on this part.
The bounty thread mentions some of the most prominent features that are impacted, I urge you to take a look. As I had mentioned in my previous reply, it also answers your original question regarding the scope and goal of the bounty.
Another question. If Sony has this open source platform set up specifically for developers to create ROM's based on this XZ1 Compact, why would Sony hinder the performance and features by not allowing you to keep the DRM keys when unlocking the bootloader in a simple fashion?
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That is a question only Sony knows the answer to.
However, from a purely speculative viewpoint, it seems they think that binding some of their proprietary features to DRM keys is a way of protecting their IP.
Your phone won't actually be rendered useless after losing your DRM keys per se, you just lose the ability to utilize some of their more "advanced" toys like low light noise reduction algorithms and X-Reality, which are definitely nice to have but not "essential" features.
For AOSP ROMs, for example, Sony still provides bare bone driver support for the display and camera - perfectly functional, just not exceptional.
They opened up their phones to developers in the name of mutual benefit, but of course we know that it's more for their own sake than ours.
As for the lack of DRM-bound features in an unlocked open world, I suppose it's just their way of saying those assets are off limits, and to discourage average consumers from messing with their phones and driving up the cost and complexity of support.
Then again, just think for a minute. This is Sony we're talking about. Sony history is practically made up of anti-consumer-friendly practices with locked down, proprietary everything.
Just be grateful they're even doing this open devices thing, citizen scum dear users, and pray they don't hinder it any further.
Then again, just think for a minute. This is Sony we're talking about. Sony history is practically made up of anti-consumer-friendly practices with locked down, proprietary everything.
Just be grateful they're even doing this open devices thing, citizen scum dear users, and pray they don't hinder it any further.
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Yeah, I completely agree. I only blame Apple for this. They've always been supreme dictator over iOS and I think larger companies like Samsung with their locked bootloaders on carrier phones and Verizon - which has no reason to lock theirs down are following suit because they can.
Ahh well, I appreciate your response. I just read an article the other day - the top three phones that are Dev friendly are the OnePlus 5T, Google Pixel and Huawei Mate 9. I'd go that route, but they are all larger phones. Guess I'm just hoping for something that doesn't exist (still!)
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Yeah, I completely agree. I only blame Apple for this. They've always been supreme dictator over iOS and I think larger companies like Samsung with their locked bootloaders on carrier phones and Verizon - which has no reason to lock theirs down are following suit because they can.
Ahh well, I appreciate your response. I just read an article the other day - the top three phones that are Dev friendly are the OnePlus 5T, Google Pixel and Huawei Mate 9. I'd go that route, but they are all larger phones. Guess I'm just hoping for something that doesn't exist (still!)
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I had exactly your doubts but...well its not KitKat time anymore, Android Oreo is pretty much a complete OS to me...and yeah not having adblock sucks but at least I can still use AdGuard...I'm not a teenager anymore and so I wouldn't have time to mess with my phone anyway, at least not like with my previous Nexus 5...I bought xz1 Compact and have no regrets, seriously....at this point, if not for adblock, I don't have any other reason to want to root my phone...I guess I'm getting old lol
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I had exactly your doubts but...well its not KitKat time anymore, Android Oreo is pretty much a complete OS to me...and yeah not having adblock sucks but at least I can still use AdGuard...I'm not a teenager anymore and so I wouldn't have time to mess with my phone anyway, at least not like with my previous Nexus 5...I bought xz1 Compact and have no regrets, seriously....at this point, if not for adblock, I don't have any other reason to want to root my phone...I guess I'm getting old lol
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So.. I just turned 40 this year. I've been playing around with Android phones now since the HTC Eris back in 2009 (yikes!!). I travel a lot for work and carry two pair of headphones with me. One pair of IEM's and one pair of large wireless cans. The IEM's are mostly used out of convenience and sound quality.. cans when I don't want something stuck in my ear. Anyway, the point to my rambling, is back in the Samsung days, I was introduced to something called "Voodoo Sound". It was created by a dev on XDA to manipulate the hardware settings (particularly the hardware gain) for users audio. It was amazing. The point of it was to boost the volume so you could CUT frequencies on an EQ and still keep the NORMAL volume of the phone. I see so many people on here complaining to other users about why they want to boost the volume, when that's not what they are doing at all. I fell in love and held on to old phones to keep from giving that feature up. Then, it slowly vanished and Viper4Android was released by a bunch of Chinese devs. I eventually switched over. I can't live without v4a. It makes up for the shortcomings in my IEM's.
So the problem is, with all these locked bootloader phones, I can't put v4a on the phone. I usually just keep using the older phone anyway until I can't stand the sluggish performance anymore and then start hunting for a new phone. The monkey wrench this go around is that work makes me carry an iphone as well as my personal.. so I'm trying to find an all around good phone that's compact. I got real excited about this XZ1 Compact until I saw some users complaining about battery life. I am extremely hard phone a phone battery. The 3300mah battery in the ginormous V20 I have now will last me about 6 hours while traveling on the plane, through airports, etc.
My dream phone would be a utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put v4a (and prob adaway). It's crazy to me how Sony is the only manufacturer that dabbles with small phones now. Sammy tried it with the S5 mini, etc years ago, not nothing since.
Having since reading this thread is just another roadblock keeping me from going out to my local Best Buy today and just buying this phone and being done with it. I'd be worried about losing these DRM keys that effect camera performance. I love taking photos while traveling of the things I see and sharing them with family.
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Having since reading this thread is just another roadblock keeping me from going out to my local Best Buy today and just buying this phone and being done with it. I'd be worried about losing these DRM keys that effect camera performance. I love taking photos while traveling of the things I see and sharing them with family.
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It really is a douche move by Sony to render the camera completely useless after unlocking the bootloader.
Before the X-series line, at least with my own experience with the Z-series, UB affects the camera by disabling low-light noise reduction, but doesn't cause it to only take green pictures, it was still functional.
Well, the potentially good news is that a dev on XDA has created a DRM patch for the XZ Premium, which has similar platform configurations to the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact, and the dev mentioned in the bounty thread that he's working on bringing compatibility to the XZ1 family.
If you'd like, you can support him and make a donation pledge to incentivize him and/or other devs to find a solution.
Alternatively, the very same dev who created a DRM patch for the XZP also found some third party camera apps that works, presumably before he developed the fix.
See here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/how-to/tip-camera-fix-unlocked-rooted-sony-t3647333
Or, you can just flash a AOSP build.
Or, as you are contemplating, just skip Xperias altogether. It's a world of compromises, unfortunately.
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My dream phone would be a utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put v4a (and prob adaway). It's crazy to me how Sony is the only manufacturer that dabbles with small phones now. Sammy tried it with the S5 mini, etc years ago, not nothing since.
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Nobody gets that!!!! I wanted the Z2 3 years ago but it went extinct before i bought it and now i finally bought xz1 for the same reason!! utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put some other stuff. Only Sony is doing that and i get so many looks for my new phone -
Sony?? why?? wait sony still makes phones??
I am like Duh!!!
I have been using moto forever and i loved the original RAZR that came in 2011 - best size and form factor ever!!
Next to that i only liked the brick shape of sony, xz1 seems so nice for that
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My dream phone would be a utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put v4a (and prob adaway). It's crazy to me how Sony is the only manufacturer that dabbles with small phones now. Sammy tried it with the S5 mini, etc years ago, not nothing since.
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Nobody gets that!!!! I wanted the Z2 3 years ago but it went extinct before i bought it and now i finally bought xz1 for the same reason!! utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put some other stuff. Only Sony is doing that and i get so many looks for my new phone -
Sony?? why?? wait sony still makes phones??
I am like Duh!!!
I have been using moto forever and i loved the original RAZR that came in 2011 - best size and form factor ever!!
Next to that i only liked the brick shape of sony, xz1 seems so nice for that
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Nobody gets that!!!! I wanted the Z2 3 years ago but it went extinct before i bought it and now i finally bought xz1 for the same reason!! utilitarian design, waterproof, good battery, good camera, small, and rootable so I can put some other stuff. Only Sony is doing that and i get so many looks for my new phone -
Sony?? why?? wait sony still makes phones??
I am like Duh!!!
I have been using moto forever and i loved the original RAZR that came in 2011 - best size and form factor ever!!
Next to that i only liked the brick shape of sony, xz1 seems so nice for that
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These are my only reasons for going to iOS + jailbreaks when the iPhone 6 came out. Apple is the only one who comes out with flagship compacts year after year, Sony tries but fails with camera every year :/
Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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I think your statement of "I haven't really felt the need to use a custom Rom..." is very telling. We also get monthly updates without jumping through hoops and we have feature sets we all like. Also Google Pay is being used more and more and you need to unlock the bootloader which breaks GP. I mean you can do kernel mods to enable it but it's just not worth it. What would you like that you don't currently have? I can name a few things like modifying location of the clock, changing vibration, things like that. But is it worth not having security updates or hoping the rom dev will update the rom? And then asking for an ETA and getting hammered by users for asking. It's just not worth it and devs have moved on to other money making ventures. Begging for donations doesn't pay the rent.
Bottom line, it's not worth it for rom devs and thus we have just a few. Flashing is not as easy as it used to be with dual slots. I remember just flashing each file and vendor and done. Bootloop, no prob just reflash the image. Not anymore. Now it's "omg your rom bricked my phone". Last thing.. we all have things to do now whereas we were young and stupid years back. Just give me a nice display, good battery, some options, and I'm good. Just some random thoughs.. agree or disagree but simply observations on my part.
There are ROMs not listed on xda available but you have to search them out. But even on that end it's in the range of 3-4 bonito ROMs that I can think of.
I'm guessing we'll see more builds sooner rather than later since 10 just got officially released earlier in the month(plus TWRP isn't available for 10 yet - not that that would stop fastboot flashable ROMs from being built). Also the upcoming release of the pixel 4 should drop prices on the 3aXl which means more people will pick up this device and more ROMs will(most likely) be built. *That's my theory at least...I've seen other devices' development happen that way in the past so that's where I'm coming from.
I also think a combination of factors has slowed development in general across the board: less people buy new phones as often now(our phone is less than 6 months old), and stock android has gotten to the point that just rooting and minor tweaking is good enough for a lot of people. Not me personally - I always use custom ROMs - but for some others all they need is slightly tweaked stock, some theme-ing ability, and a few root apps like adaway or root browser to stay happy.
But anyway, big thanks to those who are building for our device. Y'all have skills that I do not have - which are much appreciated by me & many others.
And that was kind of what I thought... The custom ROM scene, particularly on Google devices is just shrinking. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Time will tell as this community moves into 10 development, but I'm guessing things will pick up a bit. Hang in there:good:
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There are ROMs not listed on xda available but you have to search them out. But even on that end it's in the range of 3-4 bonito ROMs that I can think of..
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For Android 10? Ive seen zero. 10 is very different than Pie and Bonito has a bunch of uniqueness as well. Building 10 for it is no small task and may take a while before you see 10 Roms for it. Even the handful of Rom devs (or teams) that have 10 builds dont have Bonito.
This is very similar to when Shamu came out. It took 2-3 months before custom Roms were working as there were so many changes from Hammerhead and Marshmallow was a very different build vs KitKat. There were also very unique challenges when Marlin came out for the same reasons. I hope to have Velocity up and running in the next few weeks but I wouldnt hold my breath on it as this has been one of the most challenging updates Ive come across and Ive been building Roms for Nexus/Pixel devices since JellyBean.
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For Android 10? Ive seen zero. 10 is very different than Pie and Bonito has a bunch of uniqueness as well. Building 10 for it is no small task and may take a while before you see 10 Roms for it. Even the handful of Rom devs (or teams) that have 10 builds dont have Bonito.
This is very similar to when Shamu came out. It took 2-3 months before custom Roms were working as there were so many changes from Hammerhead and Marshmallow was a very different build vs KitKat. There were also very unique challenges when Marlin came out for the same reasons. I hope to have Velocity up and running in the next few weeks but I wouldnt hold my breath on it as this has been one of the most challenging updates Ive come across and Ive been building Roms for Nexus/Pixel devices since JellyBean.
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Oh, not for 10. I was referring to pie. I'm pretty sure some of those pie ROMs slowed development down in anticipation for 10, so it's just a slow time right now.
It's cool... I understand a lot of work goes into building, so when/if they come - they come.
One question - does the a/b partitioning and lack of recovery partition make building harder or easier? (This is my first a/b device...just wondering.)
*And thanks for your hard work; I've been lurking on your kernel thread and see how much you've been refining it. Looking forward to your ROM whenever it drops. :good:
Never owned or dev'd for an a/b device except Marlin (Pixel 1) and that was pretty different from this I believe. Lack of recovery only affects how we flash it. The biggest issue right now is getting all the needed vendor/device stuff for it to boot and run right. No idea why this is never fully included with AOSP + posted binaries but it isnt.
The kernel (as always) is much simpler than a full Rom. Im still trying to get my head fully around the nuances for building a Rom for this. Rest assured they will come. Im definitely going to be spending more time on that side now.
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Most people that bought the Pixels had little need for a custom Rom. This will change I think with the lower cost of the "a" line. So many people jumped off the Google phone train when the Nexus died and the cost was simply higher than they/I/we wanted to spend for a phone. The "a" line is a lot of what the Nexus line was so I would guess this will bring many back, though OP has done a good job taking and keeping most of them.
Not sure I would agree with that.
The elephant in the room is the activity across this entire forum section; there are few people here compared to another Pixel like the vanilla 3XL, massively less than you'll find over on the OnePlus sections. They're giving the A series credit for Goog seeing an 88% increase in Pixel sales this year but those sales do not appear to be to people like us that frequent this place, if they were, they would be here. I think at least for now this phone sold to ordinary folk, people who have never looked at their phones and wondered if they're truly bricked or just soft-bricked. Can't honestly say I know I'm right here but a look at the activity and available goodies over in OnePlus land is certainly compelling. Less money and bigger numbers along with an unlocked bootloader have attracted plenty of enthusiasts and along with them, development.
The regular 3 has been out a lot longer and development is mature. I also cant say Im definitively right either of course and I 100% agree OP has taken most of the low budget enthusiasts over to their side, especially outside the US.
Either way, it makes no nevermind to me. I will always build for the device I own and choose the device I own very carefully. There will be at least Velocity for the 3a XL its just a matter of how long it takes to get it up and running.
And yes, the lack of activity in this forum is almost shocking to me but last I was here with any regularity was in the Nexus 4/Nexus 5 days which was the wild west of Android development.
Let's not forget to mention the constant free advertising xda does for oneplus as well; that definitely helps their cause.
*And I'll admit it - I fell for it myself: bought a oneplus 7 pro, found that I hate curved displays, and returned it the next day - but the hype on xda fooled me for sure. The 7t pro looks nice, but I'm good - I'm hanging in with my bonito and seeing where things go.
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Not sure I would agree with that.
The elephant in the room is the activity across this entire forum section; there are few people here compared to another Pixel like the vanilla 3XL, massively less than you'll find over on the OnePlus sections. They're giving the A series credit for Goog seeing an 88% increase in Pixel sales this year but those sales do not appear to be to people like us that frequent this place, if they were, they would be here. I think at least for now this phone sold to ordinary folk, people who have never looked at their phones and wondered if they're truly bricked or just soft-bricked. Can't honestly say I know I'm right here but a look at the activity and available goodies over in OnePlus land is certainly compelling. Less money and bigger numbers along with an unlocked bootloader have attracted plenty of enthusiasts and along with them, development.
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Hahaha. "vanilla 3XL" far superior to any 3a. I will go with small a
It doesn't surprise me because I, too, am finding myself comfortable with stock and avoiding all the inconveniences (mainly the merry-go-round of breaking things that check for root)... the only thing I really miss is being able to block ads and titanium backup. But it just isn't bothering me enough to care...
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Hahaha. "vanilla 3XL" far superior to any 3a. I will go with small a
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I owned the 3XL and didn't find it far superior. In fact I took it back and got a 6T while I waited for the next thing. Mainly it was the notch, and redraws in the GUI. In any event I only meant to refer to the regular 3XL or by extension any Pixel.
I guess if I paid @$300-400usd more for a device that has a smaller battery, with the same camera hardware(rear - don't care about the selfie cam), no headphone jack, and had a hideous notch so the OEM can claim "small bezels" - I may also be bitter & lurking in other devices' threads & talking smack(so I could feel better about my purchase...?)
Enjoy your 3xl and your notch... I guess. Congrats. :good:
Anytime you want to contribute to the 3axl community you are totally welcome to. No bitterness here. Otherwise...please go back to your "far superior" 3xl land please. We are not good enough for you here.
Take care.
*Bows down to the "far superior" 3xl owner*:angel:
I'm not going to claim expertise when I say this but I can call out plenty of experience on XDA over the course of many phones: I would not expect this forum section to be getting more active in the future. I'm not saying a ROM wont come but there was never much activity here at any time, it is quite slow now, it continues to get slower. Everything I've seen over my time here tells me that trend will continue. I'm honestly surprised about that because I had thought when I purchased this phone that this section would be moderately active. I was wrong. I don't like saying that and wish it wasn't true but that's how I see it.
I'll be off toward 4XL land soon; I have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life and I like my toys.
krabman said:
I'm not going to claim expertise when I say this but I can call out plenty of experience on XDA over the course of many phones: I would not expect this forum section to be getting more active in the future. I'm not saying a ROM wont come but there was never much activity here at any time, it is quite slow now, it continues to get slower. Everything I've seen over my time here tells me that trend will continue. I'm honestly surprised about that because I had thought when I purchased this phone that this section would be moderately active. I was wrong. I don't like saying that and wish it wasn't true but that's how I see it.
I'll be off toward 4XL land soon; I have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life and I like my toys.
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You mean bezzels right not coffee tables. Hahaha
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Serious question, and not one to knock any developer or anyone else, and I am not complaining... But why don't we have more custom ROM's for this device?
I have owned lots of Nexus/Pixel devices in the past, and within a few months of release there were dozens of ROM's available for the device, but for this device there is a couple kernels and a few unofficial or "build it yourself" ROM's and that is it. It just seems very odd that a device so open by design and sold extremely well doesn't have more options. Why?
I admit I haven't had much involvement in the custom ROM community in a few years, and I haven't really felt a need to use a custom ROM in some time as I have been using Moto, Nokia, Nexus, and Pixel devices for the most part for years and just a few tweaks here and there are good enough, but I went to look into other possibilities with my Pixel 3a XL recently and found there just isn't much of anything.
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Well, I personally have stopped using custom ROMs after switching to a Pixel. Before this, I always was eager to install AOSP-based ROMs on my previous devices (Samsung and LG).
But especially LG is a disappointment software-wise: My LG G5 had a very good battery runtime with the initial ROM, but future updates killed this. Not to speak of non-existing updates and even security patches. My Samsungs were just awful from the start, they were immediately in dire need of AOSP.
On top, updating vendor images always was a PITA.. On my G5, I always had to do a clean flash, get rid of the bloat, flash the GApps etc.
But the Pixels are different. They also can have a bug here and there, but nothing severe. Battery runtime stays good with updates, and security patches always are on time. Updates are easy even when you are rooted.
Hence I just rooted my Pixel 3a XL and called it a day. Since Android 10 with its dark mode, I can even skip Substratum. YMMV of course, but this is how I see it.
I only root for system-wide adblock and HEBF Optimizer. Everything else is stock.
Custom Roms arent all (or even mostly) about features. There is so much more performance (and efficiency) to be had by building vs stock. Development will break loose soon enough. And when it does, then we will see what this device is truly capable of.
This is supposed to be in the ROM/Recovery section, I plan to use this as a central thread for development on this device if it comes to that.
Anyone who owns an A80, must have by now have had a love hate relationship with it.
Even the S21 doesn't look that good and a look alike phone is often spotted in samsung's ads to this day which has the same edges so i guess they use it as a prop instead of editing out the punch hole. (See images, one is from the 1UI3 ad). It could have been a timeless device if the software implementation was paid more attention to.
Currently these are the problems with this device on OneUI2.0
- HDR video playback doesn't work from youtube but does with the camera (was present on S9)
- Severly Nerfed Camera
- Slowdown/Battery drain/High ram usage
- Aggressive PWM on the display (opposed to DC mode on OnePlus)
- No Android 10 Nav bar despite it being on Android 10.
- No wireless charging (more on that later)
- Poorly made kernal I read?
Which doesn't make sense because even the older Gen phones got these resolved and the alternative A series phones as well.
I am currently very frustrated and would love to join the devs/owners of this device and put our contributions in a LineageOS build for this however I have never done more than basic builds for a device.
Having an All screen no notch display made me realise it's all about software.
Here is a very clean S10 Rom and I wish we can get there with this thing too
Lastly about the wireless charging, Im an engineering undergrad familiar with the WPC Standard and if you have seen strange part's video on adding wireless charging to the iPhone 7, this is certainly a glass back phone with a modular charging port assembly that exact thing can be done on this device as well, I have ordered the parts found in the S10 and some after market tags that I'll try and see which work while keeping the battery cool, I'll share my findings if it's successful.
I definitely agree with you but you know, unfortunately Galaxy A80 isn't sold too much such as A70, A71 and other A series without A80 are popular -because they are more cheap than A80-, so I think developers don't want to make, develop or port any ROM for uncommon and under-sold devices like A80 because making and porting any ROM is super harder you know. And developers want to receive a recompense for their hard work. We are so unlucky for buying A80. No one wants to make or port for uncommon device.
By the way, English isn't my primary language, so if I did make mistakes in my paragraph, sorry.
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I definitely agree with you but you know, unfortunately Galaxy A80 isn't sold too much such as A70, A71 and other A series without A80 are popular -because they are more cheap than A80-, so I think developers don't want to make, develop or port any ROM for uncommon and under-sold devices like A80 because making and porting any ROM is super harder you know. And developers want to receive a recompense for their hard work. We are so unlucky for buying A80. No one wants to make or port for uncommon device.
By the way, English isn't my primary language, so if I did make mistakes in my paragraph, sorry.
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and also, source code issue
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and also, source code issue
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people who bought this device for video and photos they hardly change their device i can bet you on this they have bought the A80 twice