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[Q] Ask Motorola for a free bootloader?

Hi guys
I think we all would be pleased to have cyanogenmod (or something else) on our defys which isn't possible because of the locked bootloader. So we need either the key or an update that removes this signing stuff.
My question is simple... has anyone ever tried to contact Motorola about that? Sure it would be naive to think we can get the key but the chances for an update should be higher than... well higher than nothing
I would do it myself but I don't think my english is good enough for this.

In this day and age of technology the best exploits are still social

Well if everyone here in the defy forums agree including me they should sign this.

Why did they lock the bootloader in the first place?
A customizable smartphone would sell much better than a locked one !

spamnco said:
Why did they lock the bootloader in the first place?
A customizable smartphone would sell much better than a locked one !
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People who customise/tweak their handsets to the degree of wanting to flash custom ROMs are in the minority.
Sure, an unlocked bootloader might marginally increase sales for Motorola but probably not enough to make any significant difference - after all, we all bought one in spite of the bootloader...

Step666 said:
People who customise/tweak their handsets to the degree of wanting to flash custom ROMs are in the minority.
Sure, an unlocked bootloader might marginally increase sales for Motorola but probably not enough to make any significant difference - after all, we all bought one in spite of the bootloader...
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You are probably right but making this customisation easier would make this minority bigger. Many people chose Android smartphones because of the way you can change things on your phone. Remember Firefox which was the first customisable web browser at a time no one even thought it would be possible and look where they are now!
The Defy is rather cheap (the cheapest in its category) and opening it to the geeks (wanabees) would make it a must-have for hundred of thousands of people, possibly millions around the world.

I still have the hope that Moto might change that. Since the Xoom is not locked.

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You are probably right but making this customisation easier would make this minority bigger. Many people chose Android smartphones because of the way you can change things on your phone. Remember Firefox which was the first customisable web browser at a time no one even thought it would be possible and look where they are now!
The Defy is rather cheap (the cheapest in its category) and opening it to the geeks (wanabees) would make it a must-have for hundred of thousands of people, possibly millions around the world.
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Yes but then people would realize the hardware is the same as the droid x and they would not understand the price difference.

I'm not a tech myself but i believe custom roms can be signed just as we can sign a modified apk...then i believe we won't need an unlocked bootloader? some sort of exploit would work

An exploit would be possbile if there was one in the protection mechanism.
But so far we haven't found one.
It's true that the bootloader doesn't need to be unlocked, but we would need the valid signing key which is the topic of this thread. Currently only Motorola has that key.

scarface said:
I still have the hope that Moto might change that. Since the Xoom is not locked.
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Cause it's a Honeycomb showcase device.
It's always been the case. Like the original DROID (Eclair) which also has an unlocked bootloader. It's quite clear that Google has gone the length to force Motorola to do it.
For the rest of us, please refer to the above post.

Sony to buy out Sony Ericsson?

I've been reading in different pundits that Sony is going to take over Ericsson's part in SE. The idea is pretty much defined in that Sony wants to have a tighter integration between its media production and consumption systems.
Do you see this as a positive movement? On the one hand, it'd be great to have more functions by having our Play and other future devices connect with Sony products. On the other hand, Sony hasn't shown much love for the hacking and modding community...

I've been reading this all day and waiting for updates.
Well, I do believe Sony provides much more support and stuff for it's devices, that's be a plus. It seems a good news overall.
Sony doesn't like much hacking in their other devices like PS3 etc, that just makes their devices open to piracy.
But in case of mobile phones running Android, i do believe they won't be foolish enough to attempt to stop hacking.

If they do, I hope they don't treat the developers/community like they do in PS3

All I want is tight integration with my PSN account, and to be able to play the dozens of PS1 games I have already paid for.

If this does happen I doubt their policies will change on the mobile side. They did just hand out 20 devices to grassroots devs. I'm sure that wasn't just the Ericsson side doing whatever they want, but both being ok with it. Especially because a couple of the devices have the Playstation logo on them.

Means **** tbh

I LOVE ps3,and i hate the hackers who JB it!
I LOVE hackin and development for SErricson phones,its amasing
Sony and SErricson might have a bit of a conflict...

This rumour has popped up almost every year since 2008.
I hope it doesn't happen especially now that Sony Ericsson has worked its ass off to get itself out of a ditch.
Sony would probably release phones with nicer materials and their flagship would be a lot more powerful than anything SE would release, but their prices would probably be 2X that of current SE prices.

Sony is no longer the company that charges a lot more then it's competition. Their quality is still up there but their prices had dropped drastically over the years. I'm sure when they do take over, they will keep the existing ceo.
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wait doesnt sony already OWN it?
i Mean it is the SONY ericsson

Bad idea
The latest software update for Sony's PS3 license and agreement terms states that consumers will give up their right to be able to sue Sony for any faults in their system. That means if your personal details or account information gets stolen you'll be the one that loses everything.
Imagine having this on your SE device if their official software update bricked your nonvodied phone you'd have to pay for everything! SE better hold its ground cause Sony is only for the business not for the people

This could be really good news for Xperia PLAY's dev support.
...but absolutely disastrous news for the marketing decisions made for it.

[Q]Why is there no OSS solution for unlocking branded Plays?

I'm just pointing out what feels like the elephant in the room here. Excuse me if I'm out of line.
I bought a Play coming from the HTC Eris (CDMA Hero), and the Eris is an amazing phone. I still lurk on the forums (and really sad it got shuffled, but out with the old, in with the new.) The community there really extended its life far beyond what Verizon gave it (it officially died with 2.1, but right now mine is running CM7 2.3.7.) Overall it was a great community to get introduced to Android with, and I'm very appreciative of all the devs that worked hard to make the Eris experience much, much more amazing.
So, I purchased my R800x in October, and I was excited. New phone, new community; I was really pumped to see what everyone here was cooking up. But we seem to be stuck in a holding pattern of some sort. I can definitely see there are a lot of talented people very eager to dev and cook up roms, but I'm finding the same loop everywhere: "Can we unlock bootloaders yet" maybe "CM7?" no.
Now, I don't expect anyone to do anything simply because this is here. That's not the point of the question. The question is (twofold): Why is there no open source boot loader unlock for all Xperia Plays? I went through the dev forum archives and can't really find anything concrete as to why phones like the R800x don't have one. And if there is an issue (or even if there is not), how can I help? I want to get involved. I don't have much experience with unlocking bootloaders, but I have gone through the Android source, and feel I'm moderately familiar with how Android works.

Xerophun said:
I'm just pointing out what feels like the elephant in the room here. Excuse me if I'm out of line.
I bought a Play coming from the HTC Eris (CDMA Hero), and the Eris is an amazing phone. I still lurk on the forums (and really sad it got shuffled, but out with the old, in with the new.) The community there really extended its life far beyond what Verizon gave it (it officially died with 2.1, but right now mine is running CM7 2.3.7.) Overall it was a great community to get introduced to Android with, and I'm very appreciative of all the devs that worked hard to make the Eris experience much, much more amazing.
So, I purchased my R800x in October, and I was excited. New phone, new community; I was really pumped to see what everyone here was cooking up. But we seem to be stuck in a holding pattern of some sort. I can definitely see there are a lot of talented people very eager to dev and cook up roms, but I'm finding the same loop everywhere: "Can we unlock bootloaders yet" maybe "CM7?" no.
Now, I don't expect anyone to do anything simply because this is here. That's not the point of the question. The question is (twofold): Why is there no open source boot loader unlock for all Xperia Plays? I went through the dev forum archives and can't really find anything concrete as to why phones like the R800x don't have one. And if there is an issue (or even if there is not), how can I help? I want to get involved. I don't have much experience with unlocking bootloaders, but I have gone through the Android source, and feel I'm moderately familiar with how Android works.
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Same here, i was introduced brilliantly into the community when i bought my galaxy s, the development page was packed everyday of different stuff, with the play no ones trying.... but some people are. You can unlock your boot loader but it does cost a small amount of money, check the development section. Im 14 & don't really have a paypal account so i can't unlock mine either lol. We can't really help, were just 2 people out of 7,000,000,000 :L

People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.

Logseman said:
People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.
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Well its the best thing that ever happened in mobile gaming, compared to n gage anyway lol

I came from an Eris as well, handed it down to my niece, she is still using with 2.3.7.
I got my play back in June. In early August a dev named ashergray did figure out how to unlock the bootloader. Mine was one of the first 5-10 that they did. Lucky for me, it was free.
I am not sure if the devs involved were contacted by verizon, i think i read that somewhere, but they stopped doing it.
Right now theres a guy doing it for like 20 bucks. Kinda sucks but whatever.
Your not missing all that much yet, right now I am running Doom Kernel with the UK generic firmware. Its better then stock verizon, but not by leaps and bounds.
I think the noted difference between this community and the Eris community, is that the Eris was one of the first driod phones and it was dirt F'n cheap! Now that verizon has this going for 50 bucks, maybe we will get an increase in our community and dev population.
Oh and in general, gamers are arrogant assholes. You will see alot of that in here too.

Who would I contact about unlocking the bootloader on my R800x? I am willing to Donate to get it done. Thanks.

Check in the Development section
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Dudeness83 said:
I came from an Eris as well, handed it down to my niece, she is still using with 2.3.7.
I got my play back in June. In early August a dev named ashergray did figure out how to unlock the bootloader. Mine was one of the first 5-10 that they did. Lucky for me, it was free.
I am not sure if the devs involved were contacted by verizon, i think i read that somewhere, but they stopped doing it.
Right now theres a guy doing it for like 20 bucks. Kinda sucks but whatever.
Your not missing all that much yet, right now I am running Doom Kernel with the UK generic firmware. Its better then stock verizon, but not by leaps and bounds.
I think the noted difference between this community and the Eris community, is that the Eris was one of the first driod phones and it was dirt F'n cheap! Now that verizon has this going for 50 bucks, maybe we will get an increase in our community and dev population.
Oh and in general, gamers are arrogant assholes. You will see alot of that in here too.
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The way we got our early unlock was through a workaround in Sony Ericsson's standard unlock web interface. R800i gets a free bootloader unlock from Sony themselves. All you need is your IMEI number, go to their website, and type it in. It give you an unlock code and instructions on how to use it.
R800x doesn't have an IMEI, it has an MEID. The website wouldn't accept numbers with a letter in it (imei are all numbers). However, it was only the form on the website that filtered the input. Ashergrey found a way to feed the MEID directly to the unlocking program, and he was able to produce unlock codes. Sony eventually caught wind of this exploit and patched their website so now there's no free workaround to unlock.
The guy who you have to pay to unlock is allejandrissimo. You only have to pay to unlock because he has to buy credits for a sony ericsson program to do the unlocks. He is charging for the amount of the credits. This is currently the only way to do a bootloader unlock.
And honestly, this phone isn't selling well because it really isn't that great a phone. The controller is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but its a single core device with 384 meg of ram and maybe 512 of internal storage that came out at the same time as the droid x2 and similar devices, with 16 GIG of internal storage and 512 to 1GIG of ram, plus dual core to boot. And it came out at the same pricepoint. Seriously, my wife has a droid2 global, and its has 2 GIG of internal storage.
If xperia play had come out 6 months earlier, it would have been a big hit. Sony botched this one because, like most of their corporate marketing, they believe that the gamer portion of their population is stupid and will buy anything with the "playstation" name attached to it. Need I remind you of the initial PS3 marketing strategies? I almost didn't buy this phone because of the bad rep Sony had with me, related to how they treated their PS3 customers. Ultimately, my inner gamer won out.
Here's to hoping for an xperia play 2 that's got a decent screen, decent internal memory, and decent ram.

crono141 said:
The way we got our early unlock was through a workaround in Sony Ericsson's standard unlock web interface. R800i gets a free bootloader unlock from Sony themselves. All you need is your IMEI number, go to their website, and type it in. It give you an unlock code and instructions on how to use it.
R800x doesn't have an IMEI, it has an MEID. The website wouldn't accept numbers with a letter in it (imei are all numbers). However, it was only the form on the website that filtered the input. Ashergrey found a way to feed the MEID directly to the unlocking program, and he was able to produce unlock codes. Sony eventually caught wind of this exploit and patched their website so now there's no free workaround to unlock.
The guy who you have to pay to unlock is allejandrissimo. You only have to pay to unlock because he has to buy credits for a sony ericsson program to do the unlocks. He is charging for the amount of the credits. This is currently the only way to do a bootloader unlock.
And honestly, this phone isn't selling well because it really isn't that great a phone. The controller is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but its a single core device with 384 meg of ram and maybe 512 of internal storage that came out at the same time as the droid x2 and similar devices, with 16 GIG of internal storage and 512 to 1GIG of ram, plus dual core to boot. And it came out at the same pricepoint. Seriously, my wife has a droid2 global, and its has 2 GIG of internal storage.
If xperia play had come out 6 months earlier, it would have been a big hit. Sony botched this one because, like most of their corporate marketing, they believe that the gamer portion of their population is stupid and will buy anything with the "playstation" name attached to it. Need I remind you of the initial PS3 marketing strategies? I almost didn't buy this phone because of the bad rep Sony had with me, related to how they treated their PS3 customers. Ultimately, my inner gamer won out.
Here's to hoping for an xperia play 2 that's got a decent screen, decent internal memory, and decent ram.
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You have a point with the ram and Internal Storage, but Single core devices aren't really needed yet, Look at Dead space, GTA and other high graphic games, Off course it would be nice to have a Dual core but imo the xperia play could have been better if they put more into it (HDMI, Better screen...)

I agree that in reality it isn't a big deal. But with consumer products, perception drives reality. The phone was seen as being "lesser", and thus doesn't sell well.
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You have a point with the ram and Internal Storage, but Single core devices aren't really needed yet, Look at Dead space, GTA and other high graphic games, Off course it would be nice to have a Dual core but imo the xperia play could have been better if they put more into it (HDMI, Better screen...)
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Dual core or not , it's still among the best , but remember no games or even softwares are near being made for dual core devices anyways . All made the same some optimum (HD) for certain ones i.e Xperia play among others. And so far as the HDMI it's believed it's built-in , just not user friendly with current update .
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But all in all, I love this post because even I said the same, the xperia is the only android todate that's a pain in the rear about everything , simple things are gigntic with it. I remember the G1 could even install recovery from it's own terminal emulator , seriously , even the G1 could do such a basic function , but you turn left or right , it's the same excuses everywhere it seems no one really knowing anything
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Lolwat? You think the xplay is complicated? It's really not that bad, in comparison to some others.
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I've compiled a whole thread about the whole resources at your disposal about rooting, unlocking, flashing stuff, and so on; I've asked mods to make it a sticky thread without an answer of any kind; and now recently I've been reading more and more comments about how "nobody knows anything concrete" or "there are no threads about this stuff".
I give up. It's just pointless.
*edit* it seems that my query to the mood never went to them. I'm quite puzzled about the why.

Trygon said:
Lolwat? You think the xplay is complicated? It's really not that bad, in comparison to some others.
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I don't think , I KNOW , and it's common knowledge , hence this thread , plus I'm sure you've poked around as well , so you must,know. Locked bootloaders etc to name a few.
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Logseman said:
People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.
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Agree with ya logseman big time
I also agree this phone is a good gamer phone.
but I also agree that the community or lack of one is really disappointing since I came from droid X community. there was so much going on there and compared to this its like comparing night to day.

Still , it's pathetic , because other phones even with a huge marketing profits weren't as hard nor complicated as the Zeus, I.E G1 , though it was a commercial success it still wasn't a pain to do anything , fact of the matter is , with or without development , the Zeus is still "roadblocked" compared to other androids which a newbie could easily.tweak.
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jpzzle said:
Still , it's pathetic , because other phones even with a huge marketing profits weren't as hard nor complicated as the Zeus, I.E G1 , though it was a commercial success it still wasn't a pain to do anything , fact of the matter is , with or without development , the Zeus is still "roadblocked" compared to other androids which a newbie could easily.tweak.
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I haven't linked ease of modding and sales in any way. I'm just saying that if a phone is successful in the market, it will be modded. The big name Galaxies are ROM whores that you can Sim unlock for free and they have lots of roms, tweaks and stuff... But then the iThings are very hard to mod yet they have huge quantities of stuff for jailbroken units.
Maemo phones were really easy to mod, webOS devices were seemingly hard to break, and both have little content in comparison to the former two.
It boils down to sales: we as users gamble on the popularity of a device: Galaxies and iThings have millions and millions of users, while maemo and webOS have only thousands.

Xperia Ion due in June for AT&T!?

So I have been checking the web constantly for the Ion release date. Though I have yet to find something concrete, something caught my eye yesterday. I did a google search for Xperia Ion and when the description came up for Sony's website, it said "Coming in June only from AT&T." Well I did the same search this morning so I could take a screen shot of what I saw and now the description says, "Coming Soon only from AT&T." I bet what I saw was accidentally put in the meta description then taken down. Hope this is correct. I'm due for upgrade in June and I really want the Ion. The One X is my second choice, but I really want that HDMI out!
Hope someone here has some inside information.

I figured out if you continuously hit refresh, the ad description updates. Here's the screenshot.

jfalgout2003 said:
I figured out if you continuously hit refresh, the ad description updates. Here's the screenshot.
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Congrats,
this post made it to phandroid and android police
http://phandroid.com/2012/05/07/google-ad-reveals-june-launch-for-atts-sony-xperia-ion/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...nd-announcement-ion-may-be-launching-in-june/
[EDIT] Also Pocketnow, ubergizmo, TechGeer and others

S3 CPU and Gingerbread? No thanks. Sony should at least have had an.S4 to appeal better vs phones like the One X and SGS3. Average consumer will prolly be swayed my the mp count but still, it should have been better overall
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mike21pr said:
S3 CPU and Gingerbread? No thanks. Sony should at least have had an.S4 to appeal better vs phones like the One X and SGS3. Average consumer will prolly be swayed my the mp count but still, it should have been better overall
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I disagree, partially. I really wished Sony would learn from previous experience and wouldn't be late to the quadcore party or at least come up with a 2012 SoC during 2012, but in the other hand some people will prefer the design and camera over other ubiquitous phones by other manufacturers.

Glad to see someone out there cares about this phone. I honestly expect the 4.0 update to be ready within a month of the release of the phone. I can't stand touchwiz or sense. I'm using a captivate atm. I immediately flashed a rom to get rid of touchwiz. I however have my x10 running wolf breaks tweaked stock 2.3 rom because I actually like the Sony UI. Besides, no phone on the market will have a camera comparable to the ion. 1.5ghz dual core seems like plenty of fire power for me. My captivate is smooth with ICS and a single core, don't see how the Sony won't do just as well, especially after the ICS update. The One X is my backup plan, but I really want that ION!
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jfalgout2003 said:
Glad to see someone out there cares about this phone. I honestly expect the 4.0 update to be ready within a month of the release of the phone. I can't stand touchwiz or sense. I'm using a captivate atm. I immediately flashed a rom to get rid of touchwiz. I however have my x10 running wolf breaks tweaked stock 2.3 rom because I actually like the Sony UI. Besides, no phone on the market will have a camera comparable to the ion. 1.5ghz dual core seems like plenty of fire power for me. My captivate is smooth with ICS and a single core, don't see how the Sony won't do just as well, especially after the ICS update. The One X is my backup plan, but I really want that ION!
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I wouldn't recommend HTC, their build quality and service are not comparable to Samsung, Apple or Sony.
Sammy always has the hottest hardware but their phones look plasticky and Touchwiz is not my taste. Matter of personal choices.
I'm currently using the Arc with ICS update.

Wow. That phone almost makes me want to go back to AT&T. GBs not that big of a deal, hopefully devs will jump on that phone pretty quickly and get some custom ROMs going...

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Hi Orb3000, nice to see you again
You must reconsider your decission because the OP is NOT a question but a statement. The guy found an interesting slip in google advertising system which confirmed a June release date for the aforementioned phone.
Whatsmore, many recognized tech blogs acknowledged his finding and published notes about it, some even linking here to xda-devs as the source of the finding.

Just got my Xperia Ion! Here's a couple of photos next to my Xperia S, along with the Antutu benchmark!

Where did you get it from?
I'm hoping they announce it's release on AT&T very soon!

U got an S and an Ion??? SHOWOFF!!! eb
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It's amazing to me how little AT&T is pushing this phone. You go to the AT&T website and you have to dig to find it (whereas the one x and the sgIII are on the front page). I understand those are higher end devices, but it seems as if AT&T doesn't really care at all about what is a pretty decent phone. Even when I walked into the AT&T store, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for the ion (maybe they forgot how to sell anything other than iphones....)

dizarmstrong said:
It's amazing to me how little AT&T is pushing this phone. You go to the AT&T website and you have to dig to find it (whereas the one x and the sgIII are on the front page). I understand those are higher end devices, but it seems as if AT&T doesn't really care at all about what is a pretty decent phone. Even when I walked into the AT&T store, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for the ion (maybe they forgot how to sell anything other than iphones....)
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The phone is finally visible on the site, I find it interesting..I emailed Sony about that and a few hours later the phone magically appeared!
I ordered my phone online through the website the day it was released (like you said had to dig through the search bar to find it). Unfortunately I was unable to upgrade from my end so I had to call 611.
At&t must not have told many people about its roll out because the rep who helped me had no clue that this phone existed but had no problem searching it himself and ordering it on his end. I emphasize this because he flat out told me he keeps up with all the employee updates and me asking about the phone was the first he ever heard of it.
Long story short he ordered the phone for himself and expressed my order so we both can baste in its awesomeness asap!

Does The Pixel XL 2 Have Dual Boot Partitions?

Hopefully not, but anyone know for sure that might have early access to one of the devices?

BoboBrazil said:
Hopefully not, but anyone know for sure that might have early access to one of the devices?
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I would be willing to bet that it does.

Of course it will. It's the whole seemless update thing that they love. Remember pixel is not a true dev phone like the old nexus devices. They're now going for a more consumer friendly model. Seemless updates is just a great selling point. Most consumers have no idea what it means. But the word "seemless" sells itself.

toknitup420 said:
Of course it will. It's the whole seemless update thing that they love. Remember pixel is not a true dev phone like the old nexus devices. They're now going for a more consumer friendly model. Seemless updates is just a great selling point. Most consumers have no idea what it means. But the word "seemless" sells itself.
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What are the phones that devs prefer these days?
Also, is everyone else (Samsung, etc.) going for the dual partition setup?
And why can't they just change the partitions on the phone? I guess I'm so used to partitioning my Linux systems any way I want and having a lot of options that it seems odd that the partitions must be left alone.

cb474 said:
What are the phones that devs prefer these days?
Also, is everyone else (Samsung, etc.) going for the dual partition setup?
And why can't they just change the partitions on the phone? I guess I'm so used to partitioning my Linux systems any way I want and having a lot of options that it seems odd that the partitions must be left alone.
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the best dev phone is still the google phone, the pixel.
eventually all android owns will shift to the dual partition model.
what's your problem with dual partitions exactly, because it offers lots and lots of benfits.

Treshy said:
the best dev phone is still the google phone, the pixel.
eventually all android owns will shift to the dual partition model.
what's your problem with dual partitions exactly, because it offers lots and lots of benfits.
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No its not. The dual partition setup makes developing for the device a nightmare. To the point that devs have started adding the dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting a device. Add in the closed sourced system files Google uses on the pixels and you get a none dev friendly device.
No not all OEMs will shift to it. You can just look at how many device have it, even though it has been around for over a year. Just like adaptive storage.
To answer the question, many devs have moved over to OEM like one plus

Hopefully it doesn't have it. If so I might stick with OnePlus(which imo has taken over the Nexus mantle for dev friendly affordable phones). I only used root for adblock and youtube background play, but without those a phone isn't a phone to me lol

zelendel said:
No its not. The dual partition setup makes developing for the device a nightmare. To the point that devs have started adding the dual partition setup to the list of things to avoid when getting a device. Add in the closed sourced system files Google uses on the pixels and you get a none dev friendly device.
No not all OEMs will shift to it. You can just look at how many device have it, even though it has been around for over a year. Just like adaptive storage.
To answer the question, many devs have moved over to OEM like one plus
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Yeah, I didn't realize this happened with the Pixel. Pretty disappointing. I does look like the four month old OnePlus 5 has a lot more development for it than the one year old Pixel phones. And it has official Lineage OS support. I'm still amazed that there is no official Lineage OS release for last years Pixel. What a sad change of fates for what was the former venerable Nexus line of phones. I wonder if the new Essential phone has a dual partition scheme. They claim they are going to be dev friendly, although they still haven't released their kernel source.
By the way, are there any other phones, other than the Pixels, that use dual partitions?
I still don't really understand why the paritition scheme can't just be rewritten by the devs for cutom ROMs. It's such a common place thing to do on desktops.

cb474 said:
Yeah, I didn't realize this happened with the Pixel. Pretty disappointing. I does look like the four month old OnePlus 5 has a lot more development for it than the one year old Pixel phones. And it has official Lineage OS support. I'm still amazed that there is no official Lineage OS release for last years Pixel. What a sad change of fates for what was the former venerable Nexus line of phones. I wonder if the new Essential phone has a dual partition scheme. They claim they are going to be dev friendly, although they still haven't released their kernel source.
By the way, are there any other phones, other than the Pixels, that use dual partitions?
I still don't really understand why the paritition scheme can't just be rewritten by the devs for cutom ROMs. It's such a common place thing to do on desktops.
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The essential phones were a bust. A sprint exclusive killed it. They inky sold like 5000 units total.
I have the one plus 3 right now and to be honest. I am not tempted to upgrade. It is still very powerful with a few years of development left.
The only ones that I know of for sure that use it are the pixel line and the new android one reboot. I can't say for sure on all the others but those are the only ones I know for sure.
To be honest I am not sure what the details are of the issue. None of my devices ever used it. So I only know what the devs talk about it in chats.

zelendel said:
The essential phones were a bust. A sprint exclusive killed it. They inky sold like 5000 units total.
I have the one plus 3 right now and to be honest. I am not tempted to upgrade. It is still very powerful with a few years of development left.
The only ones that I know of for sure that use it are the pixel line and the new android one reboot. I can't say for sure on all the others but those are the only ones I know for sure.
To be honest I am not sure what the details are of the issue. None of my devices ever used it. So I only know what the devs talk about it in chats.
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Thanks for the thoughts.
It was actually reported a week or so ago that, at that point in time, Essential had only sold 5000 units through Sprint. No one knows what the sales have been directly from Essential. I suspect far more people bought directly from Essential (based on what I see people posting and that people who like phones like this tend to be T-Mobile customers). So maybe there's hope for Essential. Even though I have been disappointed by them in many ways and ended up passing on the phone, as much as I like the screen design. Or maybe the second Essential phone will do better and they'll become a company like OnePlus with some interest from devs.
Looking around, it also seems like there's a lot of development for the LG phones, I guess they allow unlocked bootloaders? It seems like every LG G* and V* phone has an official version of Lineage and a lot of ROMs in their XDA forums. I've never been an LG fan, but maybe they are a better way to go these days, if not OnePlus. I would have considered the OnePlus 5 but I don't really want a phone that big and I'm disappointed they dropped OIS for a dual camera gimmick. It seems like the 3 and 3T are the nicest of the OnePlus phones so far.