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LTE and 4G are the same? because i know that glide doesnt has lte, but when i use the mobile data, i see the 4G icon. i always have that question. thanks
4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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Then , is better than 3.5G ? (here we know that like 3g and 3.5g). Thanks, for your help thats clear me that question (sorry for my english )
It pretty much is 3.5g.
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To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.
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To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.
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Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.
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Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.
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Depends on where they're deployed, though. At the moment, in my mind, though, HSPA+ is fast enough. LTE is nice and important for future-proofing, but I don't see a need for it for another... probably 3-5 years. Keep in mind, most people's home internet is like 3-12 mbps on average. HSPA+ current results for my city are WELL above this for all providers.
You realize that Cappy Glide can get HSPA+ which goes up to 42mbps -- you could theoretically download at > 5 megabytes/sec under ideal circumstances... I currently pull around 1-2 megabytes/sec... Why would you ever need more on this current gen -- especially with data-capping?
Just saying I have a friend on the same cellular provider as me and he has that new Windows Phone from Nokia on LTE and me with the glide. We did a speed test and I got around 2.5mbps and he got 25.mbps. I agree for everyday stuff 2.5 mbps is enough, but I just have to say I was drooling when I saw the speed he was getting on Rogers which is whoI have.
I have 2 years left on my Contract and I am happy with my Glide but for sure in 2 years I will make sure my next phone is a LTE device. I have a 6Gigs download cap so I am not to worried about caps after all it is a cell phone and 6 gigs should be plenty.
Fair enough -- seems that Rogers is much different as a carrier than the ones here in the US. I've had friends on HSPA+ on T-Mobile at like 30ish mbps and friends on LTE on Verizon at 35 mbps. It wasn't a super big difference. But until you hit double-digits on the speed, I can totally understand the drool you emit and why.
thanks, thats clear e a lot i always think that 4G was behind of lte but better than 3.5G, because my glide is the unique phone that i see with 4G icon (all the phones here only has 3G icon or H+ and the modems wcdma or Hsdpa) i am not in USA or Canada
I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
Here is reality : http://www.zdnet.com/au/speed-test-how-fast-is-4g-really-7000007995/
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I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Man I don't know what u talking your words are misleading.. sorry
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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enik_fox said:
Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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OK u are the maaan
The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.
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The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.
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UUf i would never pay so much ..
I have one contract for 12 months (sim only) so am locked but am paying £15 a month and I have unlimited internet and unlim. SMS , then 600 minutes that my girlfriend uses .. (she never use all 600 minutes .. she is texting more ..)
And I had Giff Gaff previously .. it is based on O2 but it is cheaper and it is sim only . I used to pay £10 a month for unlimited internet unlim. texts and 250 minutes .. BUT they increased package to £12 so I started NOT liking it cos speed is not as fast as on 3 network
So I have decided to go with 3 network (same as my girlfriend) but it is SIM only pay as u go so it is 15 pounds a month no contract am not locked and I have same package as girlfriend but NOT 600 minutes but 300 minutes of call .. and that is way enough for me .. internet and SMS unlimited that is my priority..
Hi All. Long time since I’ve posted but looking at getting a note 2 tomorrow.
Now I live in Australia and on the Optus network but using a cheap provider that at the moment only uses their 3G network.
At the moment I have a sim card setupfor the 3G network.,
At the moment Vaya don’t have access to the Optus 4G network (1800MHz frequency) but it is gonna happen.
Can I buy a LTE version and use my current sim and run on the 3G (H+ even) using my existing sim card and the 4G note 2?
Then when Vaya release their 4G plans I can grab a 4G sim (or is 4G just account and phone dependant??) and away I go?
I believe it shouldn’t be a problem as the phone still operates on the 3G network as if I bought a N7100 if 4G is not enabled. But it will use more power just having that chip sitting in there.
yes, it will work.
it will only work in 4g if a 4g network is supported from your carrier. otherwise it will revert to the fastest network from your carrier that is supported by the device, which in most cases is hsdpa.
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yes, it will work.
it will only work in 4g if a 4g network is supported from your carrier. otherwise it will revert to the fastest network from your carrier that is supported by the device, which in most cases is hsdpa.
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Thanks for your reply.
Now I've been searching everywhere for good analysis on the 3G and 4G battery comparison but there isn't much out there but personal thoughts. Well there is more on the S3 so maybe that is a good guideline.
So the 4G version with LTE turned on can only achieve half the screen on time of the 3G version. Wow that terrible. With LTE off it last about 7-8 hours screen time rather than closer to 10 hours to the 3 version.
Has anyone got some good links that compare the battery life between the two models? I can live with turning 4G off most of the time if it doesn't drain too much but I don't need the speed if it has a big toll on the battery life even with LTE turned off.
http://www.samsungupdate.com/tag/battery-life-3g-vs-4g-galaxy-note-2
Its touched on here but still not sure.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979246
Anyone else?
I'm curious what Sprint's LTE speed tests?.
I am never in Lansing, but in Howell Mi for the last month LTE works. Today I now notice it works in Northville Plymouth as well on and off. So seems they are slowing rolling it out.
As for speeds, Download 6.40 Mbps, upload .85. Not sure if these are common as today is the first day LTE is available where I am (work).
That data speed is GOLD on Sprints network, at least from my past experience with them. Congrats.:good:
i've had an S4 mini duos fro 3 days that replaces my Note 2 as i wanted a smaller phone with good features.
before i got the S4 i made sure to check all the reviews and youtube videos and made a lot of camparisons on gsmarena.
Not a single site or review mentioned how terrible 3g speed is on this phone.
Check this comparison of HSDPA speeds supported by some device:
S4 mini i9192------14.4 Mbps
Note 2 n7100------21.2 Mbps
S4 i9500 -----------42.2 Mbps
Mega 6.3 i9200---21.2 Mbps
i made a side by side comparison with a friends Mega 6.3 phone using 2 apps,
speedtest
, average of 3 tests showed the s4 mini returned half the speed of the mega phone
netwrok signal info (on vodafone egypt)
the mega connected much more frequently on 14.4 than the mini, and with better network signal percent
the mini stayed almost all the time on 7.2 and only touched 14.4 for couple seconds then returned back to 7.2.
As both the mega and s4 mini have the same CPU from qualcom, i belive there is an either with the antenna of the S4 mini, which is shorter/weaker due to its smaller size, or the software of the mini is not yet optimized due to the dual sims/antennas
either way, i really am disapointed with the 3g performance of the s4 mini duos, which is a pitty as i love all other aspects of this phone.
Did anyone else face slow 3g speeds with the mini, or am i the only one?
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yes it is slow also for me too.by this reason i sold my phone and go back to S4.
regards
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i've had an S4 mini duos fro 3 days that replaces my Note 2 as i wanted a smaller phone with good features.
before i got the S4 i made sure to check all the reviews and youtube videos and made a lot of camparisons on gsmarena.
Not a single site or review mentioned how terrible 3g speed is on this phone.
Check this comparison of HSDPA speeds supported by some device:
S4 mini i9192------14.4 Mbps
Note 2 n7100------21.2 Mbps
S4 i9500 -----------42.2 Mbps
Mega 6.3 i9200---21.2 Mbps
i made a side by side comparison with a friends Mega 6.3 phone using 2 apps,
speedtest
, average of 3 tests showed the s4 mini returned half the speed of the mega phone
netwrok signal info (on vodafone egypt)
the mega connected much more frequently on 14.4 than the mini, and with better network signal percent
the mini stayed almost all the time on 7.2 and only touched 14.4 for couple seconds then returned back to 7.2.
As both the mega and s4 mini have the same CPU from qualcom, i belive there is an either with the antenna of the S4 mini, which is shorter/weaker due to its smaller size, or the software of the mini is not yet optimized due to the dual sims/antennas
either way, i really am disapointed with the 3g performance of the s4 mini duos, which is a pitty as i love all other aspects of this phone.
Did anyone else face slow 3g speeds with the mini, or am i the only one?
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hi,
I'm facing some strange issues with the mini duos.
while on 3G, email client is not connecting for sync, and facebook messenger is not working properly ( when a send messages, it's saying sending... and takes an eternity to send it ) although internet browsing is working fine and even faceboko wall browsing is loading fine, also google maps is working, so there's internet connection definitely.
i did a speed test today with radio opt, and seems to be ridiculous speed
dowload: ~400kbps
upload: ~100kbps
ping: not working..
I'm wondering what could be the cause ...
are the email client and facebook messenger using different types of connections to internet browser, google maps and so on?
On wifi, everything is working fine!
Regards,
Robert.
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Check this comparison of HSDPA speeds supported by some device:
S4 mini i9192------14.4 Mbps
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On the back of my S4 Mini Duos box it clearly says HSDPA 21.1/ HSUPA 5.76
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On the back of my S4 Mini Duos box it clearly says HSDPA 21.1/ HSUPA 5.76
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would you please try if your device behaves the same way as mine on 3G , see my previous post?
Thank you!
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On the back of my S4 Mini Duos box it clearly says HSDPA 21.1/ HSUPA 5.76
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I never got my phone to connect past 14.4 but you are right it mentioned 21.1 on the box.
Still it is waaay slower than my note 2 which was also 21.1.
I've just done a speed test. See attached picture.
So that puts it firmly in the 14.4 Mbps bracket. Maybe Samsung are telling fibs
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I've just done a speed test. See attached picture.
So that puts it firmly in the 14.4 Mbps bracket. Maybe Samsung are telling fibs
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can you download "network signal info" app from the play store and tell us if it ever connects above 14.4?
Mine doesn't even in very strong signal areas.
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I've just done a speed test. See attached picture.
So that puts it firmly in the 14.4 Mbps bracket. Maybe Samsung are telling fibs
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nroberto13 said:
hi,
I'm facing some strange issues with the mini duos.
while on 3G, email client is not connecting for sync, and facebook messenger is not working properly ( when a send messages, it's saying sending... and takes an eternity to send it ) although internet browsing is working fine and even faceboko wall browsing is loading fine, also google maps is working, so there's internet connection definitely.
i did a speed test today with radio opt, and seems to be ridiculous speed
dowload: ~400kbps
upload: ~100kbps
ping: not working..
I'm wondering what could be the cause ...
are the email client and facebook messenger using different types of connections to internet browser, google maps and so on?
On wifi, everything is working fine!
Regards,
Robert.
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i get some strange behaviours also, but for me the phone would show the "H" signal and "network signal info" would clearly show connection on 14.4 Mbps, yet i don't have any data connectivity and speed test would just show "communication error".
i would stay like that for a couple of minuted, discconnects and reconnects the HSPA connection by itself and then start working fine.
I still belive it is either a weak antenna by design or immature modem drivers. I'm hoping it is the later and samsung would fix it by a firmware update.
PS: i've had a note 2 for one year and before that a note one for another year and neither one of them had similar issues with data connection.
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can you download "network signal info" app from the play store and tell us if it ever connects above 14.4?
Mine doesn't even in very strong signal areas.
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I've downloaded the program via WI-FI but I will have to wait until I go to work later to test it on 3G as I live in a very rural area with only 2G coverage.
I've also contacted my service provider (3UK) and they say that the strength and speed of the signal is dependent on what part of the country you are in, big city's being the best.
Here is the result of my test. It connects OK but it dose really depend on which area I'm in.
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Here is the result of my test. It connects OK but it dose really depend on which area I'm in.
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so the S4 mini duos chip has the ability to connect on 21.6. the problem again seems to be either hw (antenna design) or Sw(modem drivers) beacuse the S4 mini is consideraby slower than a note 2 or a galaxy mega 6.3 depending on personal observations and tests.
i've solved part of my problem by buying a second sim from anthother service provider "etisalat" that have better 3g coverage in egypt and use it on sim slot 1 only for data.
Now i get speeds a bit closer to what i used to get with vodafone on the note 2. and my vodafone data coverage using the s4 mini is hoplessly slow in areas where it used to be fine in the note 2.
where does that leave us??
should the S4 be considered defected because of its inferior 3g cabability in comparison with the handsets from a level up (s3, s4, the notes), or should we consider it as something that should be expected from a handset that is a category lower and with smaller screen size / dimensions?
do all Samsung handsets of screen sizes 4.3 or lower face the same issue?
I think it's only a modem drivers problem.. AMH2 software is really buggy for me.
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Here is the result of my test. It connects OK but it dose really depend on which area I'm in.
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What firmware are you on pls?
I m using my duo in the UK and 14mb it's max I can get, although Note 2 with the same sim card gives me 21mb (3 UK)
Im currently on rooted MF7, the phone comes from Emirates though
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What firmware are you on pls?
I m using my duo in the UK and 14mb it's max I can get, although Note 2 with the same sim card gives me 21mb (3 UK)
Im currently on rooted MF7, the phone comes from Emirates though
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The phone is a week old and I'm using it on the 3UK network. Everything on the phone has UAMF7 at the end. Not rooted.
I've only managed to get it to connect at 21.1Mbps twice and most of the time it's at 14
I have never got signal above 14mb, Note 2 keepa saying 21mb all the time with the same sim card, maybe it's firmware fault?
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The only difference I can see is in my screen shot I have the + sign next to the H in the top bar when on 21.6Mbps and yours doesn't, plus you have the R for roaming in your top bar. That normally means your roaming on to the Orange network (EE now) because it can't pick up the 3UK network.
What is the net operator number?
I've been in Birmingham UK all week and the phone constantly connects at 21.6Mbps so I think it's more network related than the actual phone.
Hmmm interesting, I live in Manchester and everywhere around here I have 14mb only. Do you own a duo s4 mini?
What's your firmware kernel etc please
What's your network? Mine is 3UK
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Yes i own a Duos S4 Mini I've had it about 3 weeks now. Not rooted all stock as it came out of the box.
I'm on 3UK the same as you.
When you see the + sign next to the H (H+) thats when it's on 21.6 Mbps
See file below for the rest of the info.
I made a video showing the 5G speeds of the Galaxy Note 10 Plus 5G on Verizon in Venice Beach. I'll be doing more videos and testing as more 5G locations around Los Angeles show up. I was at CES last week and they had 5G in many areas of the convention which was amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i80KRrvIdGc
Let me know if you have questions!
I have the same phone over in the UK and am testing the 5G here... We only get 200 - 300 MBPS DL and 40 - 50 MBPS UL... I know its different bands / frequencies etc...
But seriously your speeds are nuts...
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I have the same phone over in the UK and am testing the 5G here... We only get 200 - 300 MBPS DL and 40 - 50 MBPS UL... I know its different bands / frequencies etc...
But seriously your speeds are nuts...
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You're lucky living so close to Gatwick Airport. I live in Hampshire and we're yet to get the 5G treatment. I'd need to venture into Reading to experience 5G
I work in London and I get 5G at work - I get 300 in London and 200 @ GTW.
I get patches on the way to Work - Croydon I get 175. Farringdon gets 250.
Birmingham, UK. I once got 600mb/s DL but I average between 300-400 normally. This is on the Vodafone 5G network.
At CES I was getting up to 1.8Gbs download speeds on the convention floor.
You guys in the main land must be loving the 5g treatment over in Belfast I'm lucky if I get 50mbs on O2-UK
I even sent reports of the issue to get texts saying nothing is wrong.