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First of all let me say that my only reason for conducting these tests is to bring attention to any issues I find, so that they can be addressed by Samsung and T-Mobile. I am just the messenger, don't shoot.
If you have not seen the results of my display tests for this phone, I encourage to you to check them out here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942
I conducted the following tests with 4 phones. 2 Sprint Galaxy S II phones and 2 T-Mobile Galaxy S II phones. Now let's see how our phone compares with the Sprint phone when it comes to the front camera.
1. Front camera test using DSLR
For this test I borrowed some data from my earlier display test. All 4 phones were switched to front camera and the camera settings were reset to default. I then put the phones down on a table and took a picture with my Canon 60D.
Needless to say, this looks really really bad for T-Mobile sets. This is the test that gave me the idea that something else was going on here in addition to the well known screen problems of the T-Mobile/Telus phone. As we will shortly see, the T-Mobile phone is suffering from a double whammy of screen and camera problems in this test.
2. Low light test
For this test I lined up some random objects on the floor and took pictures using all 4 phones. The room was lit by one CFL bulb, pointed in the opposite direction of the objects being photographed. The camera settings were reset to factory settings. I used the 2-second timer to take pictures from the front camera. The EXIF data on all the pictures is identical. Please keep in mind that this test used jpeg data from the phone camera. And the screen defects played no role. Full size, un-edited pictures are available if you click on an image below.
Camera maker : SAMSUNG
Camera model : Sprint: SPH-D710 T-Mobile: SGH-T989
F-stop : f/2.8
Exposure time: 1/8 sec.
ISO speed : ISO-400
3. High light test
For this test I repeated test 2 above. But opened up the curtains to let the light in from outside and pointed the CFL bulb towards the objects being photographed.
Conclusion
And the parade of tears continues. Like the display, the front camera loses the battle badly. The hardware is supposed to be identical. Why does the T-Mobile continue to perform poorly? Was the QA team sleeping at the wheel?
The low light test probably needs no analysis. It is easy to see that the pictures from the T-Mobile phone are just plain dark. In the bright light test, if one is not paying attention it would be easy to overlook the washed out colors in the pictures produced by the T-Mobile camera.
I'll continue to update this post as additional data on the performance of front facing camera becomes available.
man im getting very disappointed with my phone, tmo users always getting the short end of the stick..
Wow, this is really eye-opening. I'm assuming you wiped off the lens on both phones before the tests? The T-Mobile one almost looks like it's shooting through a haze.
Also, has anyone done a comparison on the rear-facing cameras?
Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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Dont forget to thank this guy for his hard work WOW. Still trying to get someone with some followers to voice a concern about this.
I noticed this a little too, but I totally overlooked it.. I will probably never use the front facing camera on any device... But it does both me that t-mobile devices are worse quality... Might as well purchase it at walmart
I seriously think I am going to side step to the Galaxy Nexus when it is available, mostly for the screen issues on Tmo GS2...
Well first of all no need for a separate thread for this ffc for all phones are crap. Second of all you need more precise test. Like see if Samsung and T-Mobile are using the Same screen manufacturer. You can see this by typing dsmeg. In terminal emulator. You have to remember that you have tested I say about 7-8 devices. Not all of them. Xda is about 1% of a total population that has Samsung galaxy 2
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phewizzo said:
Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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SuperCurio the developer for voodoo screen tuning said this himself. We are missing the MdNie chip for processing the screen due to the chipset switch. Meaning Hardware.We emulate the chip in our phones using the Qualcomm MDP. Like i said it may can be fixed by getting better emulation software and samsung reworking the drivers for optimization for the screen. The closest update we have is the wifi calling update which will probably bring various bug fixes as well for the samsung galaxy s2.
I've done some video chat over Skype in the last few days and this has been the best front facing camera that I have ever used. People have noticed a much clearer and smoother image from the SGS2 FFC than from the 3 different PC webcams that I use. I don't know much about the Sprint version, but I've been very happy with ours.
Hopefully they will release an update to fix it...
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Both phones have the same parts... Just different processor. Im really starting to believe its a software issue.
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I have the same opinion.
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Well first of all no need for a separate thread for this
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We are talking about two separate issues here. You can use the camera to take a picture and analyze on a separate studio display. The phone screen does not play a part here. And any defects with the screen should be discussed separately.
ffc for all phones are crap.
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If all FFCs are crap then how come the Sprint Galaxy S II is taking better pictures with the same camera hardware?
Second of all you need more precise test. Like see if Samsung and T-Mobile are using the Same screen manufacturer. You can see this by typing dsmeg. In terminal emulator.
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It is easy to sit back and point fingers at the data that somebody put a lot of effort to produce. It identifies problems in this device so that they can be fixed. Samsung, T-Mobile and much of user community of this phone are oblivious to these issues.
What you say here is irrelevant and absolutely does not matter. The question I set out to answer was:
"Does the front camera on T-Mobile Galaxy S II take better or worse pictures than Sprint Galaxy S II". I answered that with my research and shared the results with everybody else.
You are very welcome to run your own tests and share the results with us. Additionally if you are going to ask others to go on wild goose chases for you, perhaps you should attempt to meet them halfway. I am assuming that you have the same T-Mobile phone as I, you can parse the dmesg as well as anybody else. Tell us what screen we are using. And we'll go from there.
SuperCurio the developer for voodoo screen tuning said this himself. We are missing the MdNie chip for processing the screen due to the chipset switch. Meaning Hardware.We emulate the chip in our phones using the Qualcomm MDP. Like i said it may can be fixed by getting better emulation software and samsung reworking the drivers for optimization for the screen.
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And how did you connect mDNIe to the front facing camera? I am not saying that it is not relevant, but I am curious to know if you have any real information connecting the two or if you are spouting nonsense again.
manekineko said:
Wow, this is really eye-opening. I'm assuming you wiped off the lens on both phones before the tests? The T-Mobile one almost looks like it's shooting through a haze.
Also, has anyone done a comparison on the rear-facing cameras?
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All 4 phones were wiped clean. They are like new to begin with.
I do not know of any comparison performed on the rear facing camera with the Sprint phone. I might do that one day, if there is enough demand.
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I've done some video chat over Skype in the last few days and this has been the best front facing camera that I have ever used. People have noticed a much clearer and smoother image from the SGS2 FFC than from the 3 different PC webcams that I use. I don't know much about the Sprint version, but I've been very happy with ours.
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The camera on the phones is better than the 0.3 megapixel cameras on most netbooks and notebook computers. However performs poorly under low light and renders colors incorrectly. In some use cases (e.g. plenty of light) many users will not notice an issue. Specially when they have not seen the output of the equivalent camera on the Sprint phone.
In short, the camera produces decent output for a front facing camera. But it can be much much better!
And that is the goal here. To wake up Samsung.
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We are talking about two separate issues here. You can use the camera to take a picture and analyze on a separate studio display. The phone screen does not play a part here. And any defects with the screen should be discussed separately.
If all FFCs are crap then how come the Sprint Galaxy S II is taking better pictures with the same camera hardware?
It is easy to sit back and point fingers at the data that somebody put a lot of effort to produce. It identifies problems in this device so that they can be fixed. Samsung, T-Mobile and much of user community of this phone are oblivious to these issues.
What you say here is irrelevant and absolutely does not matter. The question I set out to answer was:
"Does the front camera on T-Mobile Galaxy S II take better or worse pictures than Sprint Galaxy S II". I answered that with my research and shared the results with everybody else.
You are very welcome to run your own tests and share the results with us. Additionally if you are going to ask others to go on wild goose chases for you, perhaps you should attempt to meet them halfway. I am assuming that you have the same T-Mobile phone as I, you can parse the dmesg as well as anybody else. Tell us what screen we are using. And we'll go from there.
And how did you connect mDNIe to the front facing camera? I am not saying that it is not relevant, but I am curious to know if you have any real information connecting the two or if you are spouting nonsense again.
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You seem mad. You should calm down. Let me explain it to you. A chipset switch means different devices . Qualcomm and exynos the camera rendering is different on each device. Exynos chipset and qualcomm chipset are different.
The phones are nothing alike except in name. Its like taking a amd processor and comparing it to an i7 the way they work is totally different. Have you looked at the source code. I don't think so because if you did you know we have most of our drivers largely reworked for our processor.
Very little in common with our other variants. A sprint galaxy s2 is closely related to the original galaxy s2. Because it has the same chipset as the galaxy s2. The source even has similar drivers.
The only way to fix it is to have Samsung A) rework the drivers to make it the best they can it they haven't already did that yet. or B) recall all products and switch out processors. Either one is probably most likely not going to happen. Telus did the right thing by naming it Samsung galaxy x2 because that what it is. It is not a galaxy s2 in performance or anything except in name.
DNie -DNIe offers better detail than conventional televisions by using four proprietary processes that optimize and enhance image quality and sound: a Motion Optimizer that is a noise processing technology used to eliminate blurring and noise in moving images; a Contrast Enhancer that offers rich details and image quality; a Detail Enhancer that automatically analyzes the picture signal and reproduces images that result in lifelike video; a Color Optimizer that analyzes the video signals being generated so that the quantities of reds, greens, and blues are calculated to provide natural, realistic colors. The M part stands for mobile.
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The phones are nothing alike except in name. Its like taking a amd processor and comparing it to an i7 the way they work is totally different. Have you looked at the source code. I don't think so because if you did you know we have most of our drivers reworked for our processor.
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The processors are different. We all understand that. But the camera hardware is the same and the display hardware is the same.
Going by your example, If I had two PCs, sitting side by side, one had an AMD processor and the other had an Intel one, but everything else, including the monitor and the Logitech webcam attached were the same. Would I be so wrong to complain if the Logitech camera on one PC produced pictures that were much worse?
I think the problem is in the software and T-Mobile / Samsung rushed a product out the door, that was not quite ready for release.
People who paid good money for this product, deserve better. In the meantime I will try to help them find these problems that they seem to have overlooked.
If you think these manufacturers do not overlook problems when they ship products, I point you to Samsung Vibrant and its GPS problems as an example.
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The processors are different. We all understand that. But the camera hardware is the same and the display hardware is the same.
Going by your example, If I had two PCs, sitting side by side, one had an AMD processor and the other had an Intel one, but everything else, including the monitor and the Logitech webcam attached were the same. Would I be so wrong to complain if the Logitech camera on one PC produced pictures that were much worse?
I think the problem is in the software and T-Mobile / Samsung rushed a product out the door, that was not quite ready for release.
People who paid good money for this product, deserve better. In the meantime I will try to help them find these problems that they seem to have overlooked.
If you think these manufacturers do not overlook problems when they ship products, I point you to Samsung Vibrant and its GPS problems as an example.
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That chip is a big problem for us because that causing everything to look bad. If we had lets say a super lcd screen. We have the drivers to calibrate it correctly. The Qualcomm chips have the correct drivers for it. As i see in most galaxy 2 we are missing the part where we can calibrate the screen are self. A setting under display.
I not a big fan of samsung but the qualcomm chip is much weaker than the chipset in exynos.So is the gpu. It maybe samsung couldn't sacrifice performance trying to emulate precisely. So be wary of what we get because the update might make the phones performance worst. If you compared it to the amaze 4g since they have similar chipsets. The amaze takes great pictures back and front. Since HTC has optimized their device sensors and such for the drivers.
You can't really compare two computers like you do phones. Phones different so much from each other. It's not even funny. More like cars if i get the fastest Cadillac with the most powerful engine and then buy a Cadillac with a different engine then expect them to have the same horsepower and performance. Besides computers have a good integration phones do not. Yes i do feel things were rushed though.
Keep in mind our drivers are largely different. The MDNie chip is largely where our problem is if you read about the Dnie: "DNIe generally improves images are made sharper with DNIe, contrast is improved, and color accuracy is enhanced in many ways.That was from Samsung site. We have a hacked emulated one. You should talk to Samsung through online chat to show them the issues on our devices. Because on the phone i got people who had no idea of the problem. After 20 minutes waiting.
I think the OP got a defective tmobile phone! either that or he works for sprint and he's trying to convince us that their SGS2 version is better so we should switch. I've compared my phone side by side with the sprint one and there's no difference on the screen whatsoever, I tried different angles, different brightness, etc. Our phones are actually faster in my experience!
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I think the OP got a defective tmobile phone! either that or he works for sprint and he's trying to convince us that their SGS2 version is better so we should switch. I've compared my phone side by side with the sprint one and there's no difference on the screen whatsoever, I tried different angles, different brightness, etc. Our phones are actually faster in my experience!
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1. I have been through 3 T-Mobile phones. They all show the same symptoms. And there are plenty of other people who were complaining about the displays before I decided to get a little more scientific about it.
2. I do not work for Sprint. Otherwise I would not be hosting the pictures on my own website. My motivation is that I want the problems fixed. Is that really that hard to understand?
3. Plenty of people have said that they have done the comparison. Some find issues, others do not. Those who do not, have not actually put up any data to support their claims. I suspect most of these people are testing/comparing under bright lights where the T-Mobile display and camera problems are less obvious.
I have noticed this, while comparing my phone with my friend's S2. Honestly the factory settings are junk. I usually, at minimum, change the ISO setting to 200, to get decent pictures. -.-
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I have noticed this, while comparing my phone with my friend's S2. Honestly the factory settings are junk. I usually, at minimum, change the ISO setting to 200, to get decent pictures. -.-
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You cannot change the ISO when using the front camera.
Anyway, the user visible settings in the test are the same. Including the ISO. This can be verified by looking at the EXIF data in the photos.
The pictures produced by the cameras with the same exact settings should be equal in quality. They are not in this case. T-Mobile phones produced noticeably lower quality pictures every time.
Do You think that the camera in S9 will be minimum or much better than in S8?
Well I mean, the only details Samsung has officially released about the S9 itself is "The camera, reimagined," so uh yeah
Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.
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Minimal change, with some new effect of a selfie or something like that.
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I wonder if camera wise S9 (single)= Note8(double)
cause S9+(double) > Note8 (double)
It already revealed that is has super slow motion (f/1.5, 26mm, 1/2.5", 1.4 µm, Dual Pixel PDAF)
Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.
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Considering I always put a custom AOSP-based ROM on my phones, I've sort of lost hope in having a decent camera. Because of... reasons... you lose out on the amazing camera capabilities if you don't run a stock ROM. It's quite depressing knowing the camera is far more-capable than what I'm getting out of it.
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That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?
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That really suxx. But wasn't it always like that in Samsung phones? And in others?
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As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.
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As a former Sony user, I can say it's the same on there. Something related to DRM-Protected drivers.
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But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?
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But that happend since S8 or was always the problem in all Samsung phones?
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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.
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I can't really say, I never owned a Galaxy since the S2. Was looking to see if the S9+ ends up being better than the Mate 10, or at least drop the price of the Note 8.
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So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.
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So Mate 10 is better than S8/S8+ ?! In what may I ask? Seriously, no hard feelings and irony here.
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Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.
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Mainly just the camera. Performance-wise the Mate 10 lacks in numbers, but it still feels just as snappy.
The monochrome cameras are great, and the camera app's pro mode is really nice to take some great pictures with. I especially fell in love with the 30s exposure.
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Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,
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Dude! Please help me out here. Is the camera pics and recording better in Mate 10 than in S8/S8+ are U 100% suer?
Cuz if that's true I may buy that phone,
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Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.
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Photos yes, video recording not so much, not sure why.
Also be aware that the Mate 10 Pro does not have a 3.5mm jack or SD card slot, but 256GB internal memory instead.
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How about Note8, are thie pics from Mate also better than Galaxy Note8?
Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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Nope camera won't be good until they overcome the hardware limitation, 12 mega pixels are good, but when you see the pics on computer or zoom in then you see the blur and weakness of 12 mp camera but i know that in past 22 megapixels sonys have really bad image quality because it doesn't depend solely on increased mp, but for a real upgrade now they need to increase megapixels while still retaining same image quality, atleast 20 megapixel and still a large aperture size is the only thing that can push me to upgrade, other than that, front facing fingerprint scanner and atleast 3600+ mah battery is a must, but its still nice that they added stereo speakers, i would like to see fm radio and infrared back too. Btw both exynos 9810 and snapdragon 845 are still far behind from apple's A12 bionic chip, both in terms of processor and gpu performance. So a hard choice which to upgrade atm.
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So You wouldnt upgrade to Mate 10 PRo, S9/s9+ and Apple X from S7 Edge?
How about if you have had S6EPlus ? would You upgrade then? If yes to which phone?
Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.
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Some general points.
Megapixels has nothing to do with it really. It's the size of the sensor. I do have it on good authority though that at least one of the well known brands is working on a halo product with a 1" sensor. But expect it to cost the earth, if it sees the light of day, and to be much thicker than today's flagships.
Probably the P20 with its triple camera sensor (likely interpolated into single auto HDR images) and software collaboration with Leica is likely to be the best bet for photography this year. But expect to get *at best* dual camera support on custom ROMs (if OpenCamera / LineageCamera / GoogleCamera begin supporting dual configs).
S9 and S9+ will probably show quite a bit of improvement in low light, and autofocus.
I really wish Samsung would allow Samsung Camera to run on their phones that run AOSP / custom ROMs. I can see why Sony, and to some extent Huawei won't, as smaller players with niches. But Samsung are the market leader and could still attach function to hardware IDs, rather than allowing it to work on competitors' phones.
If Nokia / HMD keep improving sales, I'm pretty sure you'll see Pureview, or something similar resurrected. Protos / designs are certainly being looked at, but likely depend on them continuing to build momentum. If they have a good 2018, expect to see something from them in 2019 with 4-6+ rear camera sensors ... bit like a mini L16. But, again, expect them to lock the software to their stock ROM.
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Thanks and wow for that massive knowledge. I wonder what P20 will bring to the table with their 5 cams. 27th March is the premiere. How much will it cost in Your opinion. EUR or USD please if possible and add with or without tax.
I'm almost exclusively interested in the video camera capabilities of the S9+. I can manage with a mediocre photo camera but video needs to be class-leading in smartphones.
Ability to shoot UHD video in h.265 compression + much better low light performance than Note 4 = I'd be very happy.
Sadly LG put an undersized sensor in their V30 (not to mention the sucky POLED display) - otherwise I might grab a V30 right now for a good price. I wonder what LG has in store for the V40, given their focus on video shooting prowess.
LINK FOR THE PHOTOS COMPARISON: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gbq1kvzn2ea5wih/AAAaYfF7ORpUeygfMMGKYGEra?dl=0
Pixel tend to make pictures more warm, especially those snow shot. This is however not correct, the snow doesn't look that yellowish. The redmi is too cold, so it's not correct either.
Thes eye shot is a selfie, cropped for anonymity.
I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
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I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
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Your Xiaomi's camera, even if with gcam, is not even comparable to Pixel's.
If it's like you say, your device must be faulty, ask for a refund/replacement.
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Your Xiaomi's camera, even if with gcam, is not even comparable to Pixel's.
If it's like you say, your device must be faulty, ask for a refund/replacement.
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So the front camera and back camera are faulty?
The photos i take are similar to what we can see in pixel 2 sample i found on the web, but that's still noisy and grainy compared to what custom Gcam can make even in a cheap Chinese phone.
I don't think it's faulty, just normal Gcam that was tuned for speed to the detriment of quality. I'm even starting too think they Google intentionally cripple the picture quality of pixel 2 to not compete with future Gen.
Anyway, anyone have experience with custom Gcam on the pixel? I'm in the edge about returning it...
hahahaha wtf?! Redmi Note 5 better than the Pixel 2 at taking pictures??? Really?!
You do realize you're talking about one of the best smartphone cameras in the market, right? Just read any decent review or photo shoot comparison.
Either the entire world is wrong or you are. Hmmm I wonder which one is true.
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I received my pixel 2 xl and how can I say, I've never been so disappointed by a new phone ever (from the blue shift to speaker rattling at medium volume and pictures quality)
The worst part is the pictures it take, they look less good than my Redmi note 5 that i paid 150$.
My redmi is using a custom Gcam, the contrast and everything look similar to the pixel but there's much less noise and things look sharper (I'm not even talking about selfie in low light, the difference are staggering)
Anyway my question is, I know there's some custom Gcam on the pixel too. Do we need to be rooted to install them?? Do they make the pictures look better than stock Gcam. How is the noise control? Does everything work on those custom Gcam? I read about Cstark Gcam, but what about the other?
Thank you
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Don't talk if u don't know what you are saying, please
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hahahaha wtf?! Redmi Note 5 better than the Pixel 2 at taking pictures??? Really?!
You do realize you're talking about one of the best smartphone cameras in the market, right? Just read any decent review or photo shoot comparison.
Either the entire world is wrong or you are. Hmmm I wonder which one is true.
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I'm not talking stock camera, it's incredibly bad you're right, I'm talking customised Gcam.
Yes the pictures are currently better than the pixel. I spent my whole day yesterday comparing it and the only place where pixel is better is at guessing color temperature. However this can be fixed in 5 seconds in snapseed.
Anyway, nobody can answer my question. I will need to reopen the box and try to install custom cam... However i can't unlock the bootloader or root or I won't be able to return the phone.
I should probably try to post it in another section, people here don't seem to know how Gcam work.
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Why are you surprised?
Gcam on pixel phone stack only about 10 pictures when doing it's HDR+ where custom one on any phone can stack 32 pictures! The result is less noise, that's how Gcam work and that's why i get less noise on the redmi. The downside of it is it's much slower, it take about 5-10 seconds to process the picture, sometime more in low light, but the result is totally worth it.
I'm quite sure a custom Gcam on the pixel will be better and faster (especially if it can use the dedicated Gcam processor) than what i can get on the Xiaomi. Stacking 32 pictures with the pixel core should not take longer than 2 seconds! I'll investigate.
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I'm not talking stock camera, it's incredibly bad you're right, I'm talking customised Gcam.
Yes the pictures are currently better than the pixel. I spent my whole day yesterday comparing it and the only place where pixel is better is at guessing color temperature. However this can be fixed in 5 seconds in snapseed.
Anyway, nobody can answer my question. I will need to reopen the box and try to install custom cam... However i can't unlock the bootloader or root or I won't be able to return the phone.
I should probably try to post it in another section, people here don't seem to know how Gcam work.
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Since you're saying, it must be true. Why don't you go ahead and post some of those pictures so we can compare them as well (with metadata, of course)? I wanna see those horrible photos and compare them with the magnificent ones you're taking with the Redmi Note 5.
There's not one single photo I've taken with my Pixel 2 XL during this entire year that's as bad as you described. Not ONE. So, please, stop trolling around.
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Why are you surprised?
Gcam on pixel phone stack only about 10 pictures when doing it's HDR+ where custom one on any phone can stack 32 pictures! The result is less noise, that's how Gcam work and that's why i get less noise on the redmi.
I'm quite sure a custom Gcam on the pixel will be better and faster (especially if it can use the dedicated Gcam processor) than what i can get on the Xiaomi. I'll investigate.
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We are talking about quality, not about number of shots in hdr^^
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Since you're saying, it must be true. Why don't you go ahead and post some of those pictures so we can compare them as well (with metadata, of course)? I wanna see those horrible photos and compare them with the magnificent ones you're taking with the Redmi Note 5.
There's not one single photo I've taken with my Pixel 2 XL during this entire year that's as bad as you described. Not ONE. So, please, stop trolling around.
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That's not my goal, but when I'm back home I'll show some exemple.
Anyway, I'm losing my time here, I'll post in a place where they know how custom Gcam work on the pixel.
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We are talking about quality, not about number of shots in hdr^^
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Ok, nevermind, babye
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Ok, nevermind, babye
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W8 a second please now I'm interested..
Are you talking about resolution, colours or luminosity?
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W8 a second please now I'm interested?..
Are you talking about resolution, colours or luminosity?
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They are both the same. Like i said pixel is better at temperature guessing though (even though i think it make things a bit warmer).
The only difference is noise. That's why i want a custom Gcam to stack more picture thus reducing noise. I don't care if it take 5 seconds to process the image. Anyway I'll try at home.
I'll post my experiment later!
Just a suggestion for the OP: if you just ramble on about a Redmi being better than the Pixel 2 XL at taking shots with both cameras, you'll only be laughed at in this forum and anywhere on the internet.
If you want to start a reasonable and hopefully productive discussion, just upload some comparative shots taken by you
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Just a suggestion for the OP: if you just ramble on about a Redmi being better than the Pixel 2 XL at taking shots with both cameras, you'll only be laughed at in this forum and anywhere on the internet.
If you want to start a reasonable and hopefully productive discussion, just upload some comparative shots taken by you
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I've unpacked the return box of my phone and configuring it as we speak.
I got this Pixel for 160$US during a black Friday promo in Canada. If I'm thinking about returning it, is because something is really wrong.
Hooray.
I've downloaded custom Gcam. No need to root!
The result look very promising.
Already much less noise and much sharper compared to stock Gcam! I might keep the phone after all!
As the saying goes, "Pics or it didn't happen"
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
No, hang on.. I believe the OP's claims that his Chinese phone takes better pictures than the 2 XL. I also believe in fairies and goblins..
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No, hang on.. I believe the OP's claims that his Chinese phone takes better pictures than the 2 XL. I also believe in fairies and goblins..
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Whatever, yes stock cam is not the best.
And yes, custom Gcam improve the performance.
Anyway, I decided to keep the pixel finally.
I fixed the rattling sound by pushing the speaker grill and I'm getting used to the blue shift.
I'll try to give sample photos tomorrow of pixel vs Redmi. The difference will surprise many in here! I'm still hesitating about which one is better... People think pixel are great at pictures because of hardware but really, it's all about the software and the AI algorithm.
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Whatever, yes stock cam is not the best.
And yes, custom Gcam improve the performance.
Anyway, I decided to keep the pixel finally.
I fixed the rattling sound by pushing the speaker grill and I'm getting used to the blue shift.
I'll try to give sample photos tomorrow of pixel vs Redmi. The difference will surprise many in here! I'm still hesitating about which one is better... People think pixel are great at pictures because of hardware but really, it's all about the software and the AI algorithm.
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I don't think it's another thread/forum you're looking to for answers. I am a semi professional photographer, in the sense that it is my side job and took classes for it. The past 2 years I have tested a good 10+ phone cameras ranging from Mate10pro, 1+, G7/G6, Ipxs, etc. I ended up with the pixel because of it's amazing photo quality. Anyway, all you have to do is post comparison pictures, without them your statement is worthless.
" My Samsung J3 takes better pictures then a Nikon D7500 can somebody explain this. I won't provide pics to prove it just take my word. Ok I'll provide pics, tomorrow. "
I wanted to ask if anyone has heard of any further updates on when Samsung will finally enable 120Hz on QHD. If we can use this thread to post updates? Do you think they're gonna wait until after the Note 20 phones are announced/released? It would suck to have to wait that long. FHD+ is fine but we know it would be great to have these displays blasting all the way.
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I wanted to ask if anyone has heard of any further updates on when Samsung will finally enable 120Hz on QHD. If we can use this thread to post updates? Do you think they're gonna wait until after the Note 20 phones are announced/released? It would suck to have to wait that long. FHD+ is fine but we know it would be great to have these displays blasting all the way.
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+1...update fix Green tint here today and all OK but i think May update is so Hot... [emoji28]
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It will arrive when 25w charging will be enabled on S10 series phones as promised by Samsung last March.
Its a marketing gimmick.
Forget about it! It's not going to happen. If you want 120Hz on QHD you need a S21.
Every other Smartphone that support 120Hz or even 144Hz get released with that option.
WTF Samsung. You are the Panel maker and supplier to all of those company's and they manage to bring those feature at day one.
I'm telling y'all it's because of the Exynos 990. They can't enable it on SD variants and leave the Exynos users behind that would reveal and confirm that the Exynos is crap, and would result in complaints which Samsung is trying to avoid.
its not gonna happen mate - sorry !!!
that was just rumours spread around to make people buy the phone thinking they can get it later
but as you can see they have issues with [email protected] so no way they're going to release it for QHD
It's probably not going to happen perhaps due to battery concerns. Could possibly be ready Note 20 series.
Nevertheless it's a top phone when I consider overall phone factor.
I've reviewed oneplus 8 Pro oppo find x2 and initially I did notice the difference qhd and 120hz refresh rate however several days later I've come back to my s20 ultra.
One thing I would have advised samsung to screw trying to perfect million camera lens wasting millions on testing tweaking but utilize resources to focus on getting the screen right. Hit it out of the park.
Having said that I'm back to my s20 ultra now for several reasons I'll do a comparison of all three thread maybe.
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It's probably not going to happen perhaps due to battery concerns. Could possibly be ready Note 20 series.
Nevertheless it's a top phone when I consider overall phone factor.
I've reviewed oneplus 8 Pro oppo find x2 and initially I did notice the difference qhd and 120hz refresh rate however several days later I've come back to my s20 ultra.
One thing I would have advised samsung to screw trying to perfect million camera lens wasting millions on testing tweaking but utilize resources to focus on getting the screen right. Hit it out of the park.
Having said that I'm back to my s20 ultra now for several reasons I'll do a comparison of all three thread maybe.
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Please do that comparison! And keep us posted
There is a hardware limitation of 120hz display on s20. You can check anandtech website for the same. It will never get QHD 120. Wish they make it variable and use combination of 48,60,96,120 to improve battery. I am ok with 120hz FHD but I think due to this implementation we are unable to run many games on 120( till now) that runs fine on other devices.
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but as you can see they have issues with [email protected]
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There's issues with 120 on FHD? I haven't seen any on either the S20+ or this Ultra?
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There is a hardware limitation of 120hz display on s20. You can check anandtech website for the same. It will never get QHD 120. Wish they make it variable and use combination of 48,60,96,120 to improve battery. I am ok with 120hz FHD but I think due to this implementation we are unable to run many games on 120( till now) that runs fine on other devices.
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Hardware limitation? I thought the SD865 is rated to support up to 144hz?
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Hardware limitation? I thought the SD865 is rated to support up to 144hz?
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Not with the processor but the way it it all implemented
It lacks MIPI interface.
You can read more here
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15647/samsung-galaxy-s20-ultra-snapdragon-exynos-battery-life-preview
OK everyone. We established it's not gonna happen. Aaaaaand? Are we just gonna accept this fact? Let it slide? Shouldn't Samsung get **** for this?
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OK everyone. We established it's not gonna happen. Aaaaaand? Are we just gonna accept this fact? Let it slide? Shouldn't Samsung get **** for this?
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I think the **** they should really receive first is the fact that the screen is green when 120hz is enabled... LOL
I've disabled 120hz since it's so noticeable, even with the latest updates. For now, I'd rather have 1440p than 120hz.
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I think the **** they should really receive first is the fact that the screen is green when 120hz is enabled... LOL
I've disabled 120hz since it's so noticeable, even with the latest updates. For now, I'd rather have 1440p than 120hz.
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Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable
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Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable
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Think they're referring to the Exynos version. I'm in the US, SD so no green issues with mine. I've spent a few minutes trying to replicate it but couldn't see any issues. @Nightwind Hawk did you mean to say you disabled 120 because it's NOT so noticeable or that it is? If it is noticeable, why disable it?
Not to suggest that I don't believe that one source about this being a true hardware limitation on these phones but I'd prefer a more authoritative corroborating source to confirm this. In any case, it sucks that we don't have QHD with 120 but at the end of the day it doesn't kill the phone for me.
OP8 Pro has QHD @120 but screw using a phone again with that much of a damn curve on its display. I can't stand the curve on OP phones. If OP made the display on that 8 Pro FLAT, whoa...
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Which S20? I don't see it on my Ultra even at low light
From photos I've seen it looks like some have defective panels it was so noticeable
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Think they're referring to the Exynos version. I'm in the US, SD so no green issues with mine. I've spent a few minutes trying to replicate it but couldn't see any issues. @Nightwind Hawk did you mean to say you disabled 120 because it's NOT so noticeable or that it is? If it is noticeable, why disable it?
Not to suggest that I don't believe that one source about this being a true hardware limitation on these phones but I'd prefer a more authoritative corroborating source to confirm this. In any case, it sucks that we don't have QHD with 120 but at the end of the day it doesn't kill the phone for me.
OP8 Pro has QHD @120 but screw using a phone again with that much of a damn curve on its display. I can't stand the curve on OP phones. If OP made the display on that 8 Pro FLAT, whoa...
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I haven't noticed any green tint issues even with 120Hz at the moment I'm running mine in 96Hz so don't really notice any must be luck of the draw.
Guys this thread is about 120Hz @ QHD and not that green tint issue! There is a seperate thread about that issue... please discuss that issue over there.
Although who cares about this thread? Samsung isn't going to read this thread and decide to release a update.
Yeah can't work plainly due to exynos processors being unable to keep up with it.
not happening people
https://www.sammobile.com/news/why-galaxy-s20-will-probably-never-get-120hz-qhd-resolution/
Its interesting the Asus ROG 2 suffered from a red tint @ 120hz... Now the S20 suffers green tint @ 120hz..
Hi all I’ve just ordered the oneplus 9 pro as it’s my first oneplus device can I ask a few questions
is the cameras as bad as some are making out I had the note 20 ultra and just got the iPhone 12 Pro Max (going back hate iOS lol) are the op9 cameras at least on par with these
is the display any good I mean does the 1 billion colours ect make a difference and does it get bright for hdr playback
are the speakers decent as well
last question it’s been years since rooting as I’ve mainly had Samsung devices and didn’t like tripping Knox ect, is they any problems with woofing and flashing custom roms like tripping Knox or loosing drm keys anything like that (if I flash back to stock will it be as if it was never rooted)
thanks
You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader one.
brockyneo said:
Hi all I’ve just ordered the oneplus 9 pro as it’s my first oneplus device can I ask a few questions
is the cameras as bad as some are making out I had the note 20 ultra and just got the iPhone 12 Pro Max (going back hate iOS lol) are the op9 cameras at least on par with these
is the display any good I mean does the 1 billion colours ect make a difference and does it get bright for hdr playback
are the speakers decent as well
last question it’s been years since rooting as I’ve mainly had Samsung devices and didn’t like tripping Knox ect, is they any problems with woofing and flashing custom roms like tripping Knox or loosing drm keys anything like that (if I flash back to stock will it be as if it was never rooted)
thanks
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Camera is on par with the big boys, specially after the updates the main difference is the hit or miss factor is a little higher to to put it in simple terms if the iPhone takes 10 images all will be usable and 8 will be amazing the Oneplus will be 9 useable and 7 amazing. but at night its just on another league.
The display is as good as it gets on a phone.
Speakers are decent and very very usable.
Rooting and bootloader unlocking is easy, just back up your stuff and always remember the phone might brick at any moment so having a backup for everything is really important.
DRM keys are restored after a bootloader lock.
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You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader
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Camera is on par with the big boys, specially after the updates the main difference is the hit or miss factor is a little higher to to put it in simple terms if the iPhone takes 10 images all will be usable and 8 will be amazing the Oneplus will be 9 useable and 7 amazing. but at night its just on another league.
The display is as good as it gets on a phone.
Speakers are decent and very very usable.
Rooting and bootloader unlocking is easy, just back up your stuff and always remember the phone might brick at any moment so having a backup for everything is really important.
DRM keys are restored after a bootloader lock.
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Thanks for the reply when you say at night it’s a different league do you mean the one plus is good in the night?
Thanks
brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply when you say at night it’s a different league do you mean the one plus is good in the night?
Thanks
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Yes, the Oneplus is better.
This should be your main phone, IF
You value custom roms and unlocked BL
You like a 120hz LTPO panel
Shelling out 900-1000 dollars (in most cases) is OK with you
Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone
Also does anyone notice any different between the 1 billion colours vs 16m
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Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone
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Its a toss up between the both in camera quality, the problem with reviews is that they have limited time with limited sceneries.
I have been using the 12 pro max and the OP9p since release, the 12 has a weird processing that has been adapted as the phone industry standard for some reason although its not the closest to real life
(Its weird how reviewers kept pushing the narrative that close to reality is best but suddenly its quite the opposite and what looks fun is best)
the portraits look warm and full of life on the 12 compared to the 9 (Weirdly enough the 8 pro had a very close portrait processing to the 12 pro max)
Skin tone is more natural on the 9 after the updates specially with darker skin subjects.
HDR is more aggressive on the 9 most of the time but it doesn't have that over processed quality to it.
A lot of people will be disappointed the second they start using the camera because of how different it looks to the iPhone but when you compare them side to side you instantly see that they are 99% identical in 90% of the scenarios (With the 9 having the higher res)
Video is still an iPhone thing although its really good on the 9
And yes it has the newest two sensors from Sony imx766 and imx789
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Also does anyone notice any different between the 1 billion colours vs 16m
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its a marketing gimmick, its really an amazing panel and you will love watching hdr stuff on it.
brockyneo said:
Thanks for the reply’s I mainly want it to be a decent camera and a top not screen with regular updates and fixes and decent sound quality
will all the updates would you say it’s better then the iPhone 12 Pro Max camera?
is it true that the sensor in the op9 is the newest Sony sensor and it’s quite a bit bigger then the iPhone
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Post your pics let's see the camera in action
Let's see those pics in real life situations. Here's mine with the latest software release
forum.xda-developers.com
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Its a toss up between the both in camera quality, the problem with reviews is that they have limited time with limited sceneries.
I have been using the 12 pro max and the OP9p since release, the 12 has a weird processing that has been adapted as the phone industry standard for some reason although its not the closest to real life
(Its weird how reviewers kept pushing the narrative that close to reality is best but suddenly its quite the opposite and what looks fun is best)
the portraits look warm and full of life on the 12 compared to the 9 (Weirdly enough the 8 pro had a very close portrait processing to the 12 pro max)
Skin tone is more natural on the 9 after the updates specially with darker skin subjects.
HDR is more aggressive on the 9 most of the time but it doesn't have that over processed quality to it.
A lot of people will be disappointed the second they start using the camera because of how different it looks to the iPhone but when you compare them side to side you instantly see that they are 99% identical in 90% of the scenarios (With the 9 having the higher res)
Video is still an iPhone thing although its really good on the 9
And yes it has the newest two sensors from Sony imx766 and imx789
its a marketing gimmick, its really an amazing panel and you will love watching hdr stuff on it.
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Thanks for the reply’s I currently have the iPhone 12 Pro Max as well so out of the two would you rather keep the op9?
also I’ve heard around the forums that the op9 struggles in dark areas on hdr content is this true or can the display settings be tweaked with
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Thanks for the reply’s I currently have the iPhone 12 Pro Max as well so out of the two would you rather keep the op9?
also I’ve heard around the forums that the op9 struggles in dark areas on hdr content is this true or can the display settings be tweaked with
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And does the whole 1 billion colour gimmick run all the time or just in supported apps ect cause if so I’m assuming there isn’t much to take advantage of it
Also I’ve downloaded YouTube vanced but it seems to have a totally different colour tone to the videos ect compared to the official YouTube app
seems as if it’s not using and of the display tech modes from one plus
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Also I’ve downloaded YouTube vanced but it seems to have a totally different colour tone to the videos ect compared to the official YouTube app
seems as if it’s not using and of the display tech modes from one plus
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There are max brightness etc settings in YouTube vanced. Look around in there
Camera? If you work for Samsung, iphose, yes..., is bad.. ohh, the worse..
The display is the best on the market. I don't like the curved edges, but that is another story..
Oxygen is one of the best, clean Android. Samsung is champion of bloatware!
OnePlus phones are known for easy to root.
What would you guys say has the best display out of the oneplus 9 pro and the s21 ultra?
Hi all I'm looking at maybe keeping this device if its better then the s21 ultra (exynos)
Just a question I'm looking at rooting and flashing a custom rom do I need to unlock the bootloader if I'm flashing a oos built rom and custom kernel?
Also is there work arounds for banking apps,Netflix etc
And do we loose any features at all that cannot be reverted like knox in samsung devices
I never buy Samsung with exynos !!!
You can NOT root without unlocking the bootloader.
No. OnePlus is not Samsung Creap! You can revert to factory settings.
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You run the risk of losing drm keys when unlocking bootloader, but relocking bootloader fixes it most of the time. There's no Knox, so no need to worry.
Cam is decent enough, I know there's been a lot of letdowns with Hasselblad, but if you really need good cam go get a DSLR.
Speakers are fine enough for me, I'm no audiophile, but you can use Viper4android to tune it or add real Dolby Audio with a Magisk module.
Display is good, at least coming from someone with an S10 5G lol.
Rooting is easily done as long as you don't get a TMO phone. If you still get a Tmobile phone, you must get a sim unlock before a bootloader one.
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you were able to get viper running on it? ive been trying for weeks wiht no luck gets stuck on a loop of installing drivers.
I haven't tried, but it should work fine. If you have a problem running it, let me know.