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Hey there devs. I just fixed A2DP for VanillaEclair, and I have to share this. Now we can all provide full-featured AOSP-roms, so good luck with tweaking your kernels!
Apparently the solution was simplier than we all thought. We had a missing bluetooth firmware file. Put this to /system/etc/firmware and you'll get A2DP working properly. I got this idea from Darchstar, while I was looking at the firmware file in his rom. Damn... we could've fixed this months ago! So... enjoy and let the fun begin!
PS: unzip this, of course...
Ah, you little bugger You beat me to it.
I actually saw this yesterday while trying to pull proprietary files to compile Cyanogen's Hero port, and noticed that this exact file was missing from my phone. I didn't take too much notice of it until I realized what 'brf' could stand for (Bluetooth Radio Firmware). Was just busy experimenting around this morning
Anyway, well done on the fix - you've made a lot of AOSP lovers happy Might I suggest that you possibly look for further missing files that may solve some other hardware bugs (maybe trackball LED?). I'll see what I find missing today in the ROM.
Mr P.
solved yesterday ....
You've ported Darchstar's ROM, eh? Damn file, this could have been solved for ages. But it's good to have it now anyway.
cheer for you
missing firmware? I had a feeling the problem would be very simple
gonna try this on aHero .. thanks man
RaduG said:
You've ported Darchstar's ROM, eh? Damn file, this could have been solved for ages. But it's good to have it now anyway.
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but what I think is not enough in some cases, I also worked on the driver liba2dp
The firmware file itself fixes the issue. Nothing else is required.
great! it works! thx
RaduG said:
The firmware file itself fixes the issue. Nothing else is required.
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I have not had a chance to test it with my edits, though I now also works on bluetooth transfer after work on liba2dp
Now we have it sticky. Thanks Fallen Spartan!
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but what I think is not enough in some cases, I also worked on the driver liba2dp
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One thing to keep in mind: although the term A2DP is thrown around a lot when talking about bluetooth audio, A2DP has been working fine for a while now. A2DP is the bluetooth profile for high quality uni-directional stereo sound. HFP and HSP are the profiles that allow you to actually talk to someone on a call.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile
It doesn't make much of a difference when conversing with others on the forums, but if you are actually diving into code it makes a huge difference.
This is ignoring the fact that the problem could have been bluetooth not switching away from A2DP properly or some other such problem, but that didn't seem to be the case because headsets that don't support A2DP still did not work right. This is also assuming that the bluetooth stack in these devices don't depend on A2DP code for all audio over bluetooth as I have not looked at much of the code.
If you already know this, then sorry for the post, but if you didn't, it might save you many hours of banging your head against the wall. On the other hand, if you know for certain that the A2DP code is used when making a call, I'd like to know that as well so I don't get frustrated figuring out how it all ties together.
Derek
Nebvin said:
One thing to keep in mind: although the term A2DP is thrown around a lot when talking about bluetooth audio, A2DP has been working fine for a while now. A2DP is the bluetooth profile for high quality uni-directional stereo sound. HFP and HSP are the profiles that allow you to actually talk to someone on a call.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile
It doesn't make much of a difference when conversing with others on the forums, but if you are actually diving into code it makes a huge difference.
This is ignoring the fact that the problem could have been bluetooth not switching away from A2DP properly or some other such problem, but that didn't seem to be the case because headsets that don't support A2DP still did not work right. This is also assuming that the bluetooth stack in these devices don't depend on A2DP code for all audio over bluetooth as I have not looked at much of the code.
If you already know this, then sorry for the post, but if you didn't, it might save you many hours of banging your head against the wall. On the other hand, if you know for certain that the A2DP code is used when making a call, I'd like to know that as well so I don't get frustrated figuring out how it all ties together.
Derek
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I'm not banging my head. mine is the first rom that works on bluetooth audio.
However, as I wrote in the post, in some cases may be associated with
A2DP, in fact, I added the firmware missing
Regards,
robin04
robin04 said:
I'm not banging my head. mine is the first rom that works on bluetooth audio.
However, as I wrote in the post, in some cases may be associated with
A2DP, in fact, I added the firmware missing
Regards,
robin04
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Like I said, if you already know all of that, then sorry for posting it. There are many on these forums that don't know the difference though, so maybe it will help them. Most headsets don't even support A2DP, my Jawbone Icon only recently got support for it (yay!).
I currently use your rom as I need one with a BFS kernel. The Audible beta app runs with barely any stuttering with it, whereas those with higher end devices are complaining about the poor performance. Thanks!
Derek
What's the point in saying you have fixed it first if you didn't even bother to share? Many things appeared in my ROM for the first time, but I didn't even mention it. We both went out on kicking some guy's ass because he wasn't helping the community, but it seems that you didn't have that in mind either.
Anyway... now everything works in the Vanilla ROMs and that's good.
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What's the point in saying you have fixed it first if you didn't even bother to share? Many things appeared in my ROM for the first time, but I didn't even mention it. We both went out on kicking some guy's ass because he wasn't helping the community, but it seems that you didn't have that in mind either.
Anyway... now everything works in the Vanilla ROMs and that's good.
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I've simple answered nebvin ....
I do not understand why you have to start a war for anything.
I was going to share (you ask xenoside) but have not had time to make a package to flash.
collect information before judging.
Regards,
robin04
I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! Why did I not follow my instincts on this! I saw all the other ROMs from the G1 area and they had this file. But I should have realized it!
RaduG what's the difference between this and brf6300.bin? Do we need both?
I don't think we need brf6300.bin. Here's the difference:
BRF6300
The BlueLink 5.0 platform from TI is a highly integrated, digital CMOS, single-chip solution supporting Bluetooth® Specification v2.0 and all software needed for Bluetooth operation.
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The BlueLink 6.0 platform from TI,BRF6350, integrated device includes Bluetooth baseband, RF transceiver, ARM7TDMI®, memory (ROM and RAM), power management and an FM receiver.
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So these are two different chips, and we have only one inside our heros. What's curious is the fact that the taiwan 2.1 ROM only included BRF6300 firmware and A2DP works with that. One more interesting think is that apparently BRF6350 includes an FM reciever, so in theory we might be able to get the radio functionality.
I see. Thanks!
Hey everybody,
I'm new here and after some searching around on the web and on the forums here I still couldn't find an answer to my question so I decided to post it here. So here it goes:
After flashing the custom ROM of aokp from this thread, everything is working fine and I absolutely love the ROM. The only "problem" I have with this ROM is that the bass from any sound of my phone is completely gone (even tried with quality headphones - speaker or headphones doesn't make a difference - tried installing an equalizer but that didn't make a difference). I haven't installed a beats driver yet because last time I tried it broke my device (searched for beats driver on play store and installed 'beats audio installer root')...
If anybody has any idea of what I could try to get the bass back, it would be much appreciated.
Thx in advance.
Sincerely,
Sindrave
Solution found !
Okay sorry for posting too early... After some more searching I found the solution in this thread !
This thread is resolved.
So I thought I would give a quick post on my GNEX setup and tell you there is hope for people who love music and hate teh GNEX stock sound/volume.
Go to AOKP.co and get the latest AOKP MR1 Build 2 for your phone model. This is 4.2.1 you will need to wipe coming from anything else (yes a full wipe) treat your phone as you would your butt...You dont want your phone to stink trust me... I would also suggest you visit TWRP's official web site and use your WUG's Nexus tool kit (advanced) to flash this recovery FIRST and Foremost. (Yes I put hings out of order sometimes to make sure your reading)
Get the suggest GAPPS from the AOKP post...
Go grab the latest lean kernel 5.8 for JB 4.2...I love me some Franco but so far his are experimental and Lean is 100% stable (also rocks battery life as much as can be expected on early 4.2.1 builds.
Go grab the AC!D Audio 5.0 (for most phones) I use the Noozoxide add-on (they suggest walkman player but I prefer the DSP so things like Pandora etc will get the benefit.
Flash them in that order and always wipe your dalvik between each package (some people are gonna flame me but hey this works and I shouldnt have to answer a single question afterward) After you reboot and login to Google stuff... First go to settings--> sound-->music effects and select Noozoxide or awesome beats (nothing wrong with either one..as long as you installed it) I have both installed and they wont break anything as long as you dont set them both up...you can switch Ill tell you how later. Afterward go to your app drawer and open the one you chose.
For Noozoxie selct line out audio monitor--> check sof-cliiping---> selct HARD in signal strength...Check deliver natrual sound enabled. First change the digital preset to Audiophile...you can tweak this once you realize its just basically an eqaulizer. The last option VSUR can be check and select studio if you experience rattleing or have garbage headphones... The other options are for built in speaker and bletooth...
You do similar things for amazing beats please feel free to play with them as its really based on how your ears hear/ headphone quality.
If you try one and want to try the other one make sure you uncheck every option in the one that you tried...go back in settings-->sound-->music effects and check the music FX thats built in to android...go into google music play a track go to options at the top right corner select music effects slide the one/off button on then off...go back to sounds-->music effects-->select the one you didnt try the first time... then go to your app drawer and teak the respective app while google music is playing your favorite JAM...
Enjoy your buttery smooth eargasm that I have bestwoed upon you..
-Joe
This has nothing to do with Q&A...but for what it's worth 'Best setup' = Whatever you like as it's YOU that uses the phone not someone else
I'm a DJ and my EQ levels might be crap for someone else and vice versa
OK...
EddyOS said:
This has nothing to do with Q&A...but for what it's worth 'Best setup' = Whatever you like as it's YOU that uses the phone not someone else
I'm a DJ and my EQ levels might be crap for someone else and vice versa
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Yes you are right thats why I didnt give any specific DSP EQ setup information...also if you cant put statements in here they wouldnt have included a box to check that says this is a question...
And furthermore if you dont have Ac!d Audio or the beats+xlouder mod installed your credentials as a DJ are very questionable...If we wanted to be told how something should sound stock we would own iGarbage...
Thanks for your uselessness and inability to post something useful on my thread...Your just gonna look stupid when everyone else starts throwing thanks....
jrgilbert79 said:
Yes you are right thats why I didnt give any specific DSP EQ setup information...also if you cant put statements in here they wouldnt have included a box to check that says this is a question...
And furthermore if you dont have Ac!d Audio or the beats+xlouder mod installed your credentials as a DJ are very questionable...If we wanted to be told how something should sound stock we would own iGarbage...
Thanks for your uselessness and inability to post something useful on my thread...Your just gonna look stupid when everyone else starts throwing thanks....
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I don't use my phone to listen to music Being a DJ I only bother to use my Sennheisers with my Pioneer separates or CDJ/DJM setup
And you'll look stupid when the mods close this thread
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Thanks for your uselessness and inability to post something useful on my thread...Your just gonna look stupid when everyone else starts throwing thanks....
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what sounds good to you, doesnt sound good to every other person
so just like roms/kernels....
THERE IS NO BEST
EddyOS said:
I don't use my phone to listen to music Being a DJ I only bother to use my Sennheisers with my Pioneer separates or CDJ/DJM setup
And you'll look stupid when the mods close this thread
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So you think you know everything...If it were possible to pit your flat response Sennheisers (cheaply made of plastic) against my v-moda M-100's you would lose everytime...sorry Bro but the fact that you take your phone and another music player with you is cumbersome at best...I understand that you think your doing the best but if you tried AC!D Audio instead of ass-uming you got this you would be extremely surprised...the point of the thread wasn't to tell you what rom it was to tout the sound quality improvment of the audio mods...I just tell people to use aokp cause its 100% working with this and the audio mod is awesome...Personally I dont blame you for not using your phone as an MP3 player...if I had to deal with low volume stock non-sense I would probably use something else as well. Please forgive me for thinking the point of XDA was to improve our phones in some way...Now I know I should just naysay things I havn't even tried based on a complete lack of information.
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This has nothing to do with Q&A...
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See my first post...it's still applicable. Perhaps it belongs somewhere else, that's for mods to decide
And I don't listen to music on my phone OR another music player, you'll never get the EQ right. Plus, the Sennheiser HD 25s are regarded as the DJ-standard headphones so I'll be sticking with them for now
Lies...
Zepius said:
what sounds good to you, doesnt sound good to every other person
so just like roms/kernels....
THERE IS NO BEST
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The concensus for the GNEX is the sound sucks...Also if you havn't tried any of this then please keep your wisdom to yourself...I have never in my life tried to help people jsut to get a bunch of rude flames from trolls...Oh wait yea I use the internet everyday... I can say with 100% truth that this audio mod is better than stock...you can even decide not to tweak any equalizer and its better...there isn't even a doubt that this is better sounding audio...this isnt just some BS poweramp program this improves sound quality accross your phone period...
I don't listen music in my phone.
CM 10.1 is best for me.
Franco's kernel is pretty stable for me.
Ondemand is the best governor
Orion is the best ringtone.
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See my first post...it's still applicable. Perhaps it belongs somewhere else, that's for mods to decide
And I don't listen to music on my phone OR another music player, you'll never get the EQ right. Plus, the Sennheiser HD 25s are regarded as the DJ-standard headphones so I'll be sticking with them for now
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So you dont listen to music outside of your house? Club? WTF...Ill just take my deck out of my car too cause it cant compair to my setup at home...No one is gonna take you seriously dude...Really I refuse to listen to music on the subway cause its not as good as my home stereo HAHAHAAHAHAH...You know what you sound like I dont even have to waste my breath...
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So you dont listen to music outside of your house? Club? WTF...Ill just take my deck out of my car too cause it cant compair to my setup at home...No one is gonna take you seriously dude...Really I refuse to listen to music on the subway cause its not as good as my home stereo HAHAHAAHAHAH...You know what you sound like I dont even have to waste my breath...
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Of course not you mong! I have my car, which is set up professionally for my sound/music taste, and I don't have to take public transport. On the odd occasion where I do have to catch a bus/taxi (e.g. I've had a bit too much to drink) I just don't listen to music. I converse with my peers as opposed to sit in silence nodding my head. You can sit there with your phone but it will NEVER be as good as a proper setup so, for that reason, I don't bother. Why should I listen to music when it's nothing like the artist originally intended?
End of the day, you think you've got it right so well done. All I'm saying is 1. This has NOTHING to do with Q&A (I don't remember seeing a thread asking for help with the perfect audio setup), and 2. Everything is subjective so it kinda makes this whole thread redundant. It falls into the same category as the 'This is the best ROM setup' threads
joooe said:
I don't listen music in my phone.
CM 10.1 is best for me.
Franco's kernel is pretty stable for me.
Ondemand is the best governor
Orion is the best ringtone.
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And you can keep being lack luster...Its about the audio mod not the rom...I only posted AOKP (saying this again) because other roms have issues and it doesnt. So I have been flashing Roms since the Droid 1 and I know quite a bit...More than you I dont know...I have no way to test your knowledge or lack there of...Also Interactive is pretty good...on-demand tends to have a sluggish wake up when coming out of sleep...I suppose if I had created a governer called bigwanginaymouth I could tout that and have everyones mouth wattering ...pun intended.
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So you dont listen to music outside of your house? Club? WTF...Ill just take my deck out of my car too cause it cant compair to my setup at home...No one is gonna take you seriously dude...Really I refuse to listen to music on the subway cause its not as good as my home stereo HAHAHAAHAHAH...You know what you sound like I dont even have to waste my breath...
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jrgilbert79 said:
The concensus for the GNEX is the sound sucks...Also if you havn't tried any of this then please keep your wisdom to yourself...I have never in my life tried to help people jsut to get a bunch of rude flames from trolls...Oh wait yea I use the internet everyday... I can say with 100% truth that this audio mod is better than stock...you can even decide not to tweak any equalizer and its better...there isn't even a doubt that this is better sounding audio...this isnt just some BS poweramp program this improves sound quality accross your phone period...
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you know why you're getting flamed? because you're being a rude, condescending person.
now this is the part where i critique your guide and rip it apart.
1) you recommend a toolkit, worst idea ever. lets have people mod their phone with no knowledge of what they are doing. thats a great idea.
2) you throw your opinions in the mix like they are the end all be all about kernels. every kernel runs different on every phone
3) your guide jumps around and is not a clear guide at all.
4) your step by step instructions are medicore at best. the steps are so fuzzy inside that guide its basically not worth reading.
5) this line: Enjoy your buttery smooth eargasm that I have bestwoed upon you..
is not needed.
6) you're trolling for thanks and not actually interested in helping.
EddyOS said:
Of course not you mong! I have my car, which is set up professionally for my sound/music taste, and I don't have to take public transport. On the odd occasion where I do have to catch a bus/taxi (e.g. I've had a bit too much to drink) I just don't listen to music. I converse with my peers as opposed to sit in silence nodding my head. You can sit there with your phone but it will NEVER be as good as a proper setup so, for that reason, I don't bother. Why should I listen to music when it's nothing like the artist originally intended?
End of the day, you think you've got it right so well done. All I'm saying is 1. This has NOTHING to do with Q&A (I don't remember seeing a thread asking for help with the perfect audio setup), and 2. Everything is subjective so it kinda makes this whole thread redundant. It falls into the same category as the 'This is the best ROM setup' threads
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All I can say is that Ac!d Audio is not at all subjective...Its not even in the same ballpark...Its not somethign that most people are going to attribute to a placebo and for people who dont listen to music on there phone for whatever rediculous reason......it also improves notification and ringtone volume so you might actually hear a call/text from 30 feet away...what is your F'ing problem...if you cant take a backup and try something new you really really really dont need to be here at all. And thats the most truthful truth (I would go as far to say non-subjective definitive statement) that has been made here today. <---Just call me a cowboy for not thanking Samsung and Google for making the audio of the Galaxy Nexus the saddest attempt ever made...
jrgilbert79 said:
All I can say is that Ac!d Audio is not at all subjective...Its not even in the same ballpark...Its not somethign that most people are going to attribute to a placebo and for people who dont listen to music on there phone for whatever rediculous reason......it also improves notification and ringtone volume so you might actually hear a call/text from 30 feet away...what is your F'ing problem...if you cant take a backup and try something new you really really really dont need to be here at all. And thats the most truthful truth (I would go as far to say non-subjective definitive statement) that has been made here today. <---Just call me a cowboy for not thanking Samsung and Google for making the audio of the Galaxy Nexus the saddest attempt ever made...
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Hey, I'm all for giving something a go but this isn't something I have any need for. If I wasn't game for flashing something I wouldn't be using Android! May I also ask why not listening to music on a PHONE (key word there) is ridiculous? My phone is a communications tool for my work and personal life, so it's primary use is calls (obviously), SMS, email, Twitter, Facebook and Internet access. I don't game on it, I don't listen to music on it.
I don't need a high volume ringer cause my phone is always in my pocket (not 30 feet away - what's the point of a mobile phone that you don't keep on you?) so for me this guide is useless. I'm sure some may find it useful if you re-wrote it to make a bit more sense.
My ORIGINAL issue was it has nothing to do with Q&A - where is the question you've answered? If it's a guide then it should really go in the thread for the app in question to help users of that app set their phones up or, at a push, General for Nexus owners
As a professional audio engineer, sounds like to me like you're being fooled simply by volume and compression. No, I have not installed and listened to the programs you're talking about. I'm simply judging them by the names of the settings you're saying to tweak. Hard signal strength to me means loud (most things sound better when they're louder), soft clipping means it's allowing the system to slightly peak (distort) while placing a brick wall limiter in the audio path to allow the audio to be a loud as possible without actually giving the listener a distorted listening experience. This what what radio stations do. I would guess that if you were to take the headphone jack out to a recording interface and record the audio coming out, it would be nothing but a solid blocked waveform with no dynamic range.
Do your ears often feel fatigued after listening to music with these settings?
Here's an image that shows you what I'm talking about. This is actually comparing a song on vinyl to the same song on a CD but it get's my point across. The top waveforms are vinyl and the bottom are from the CD. Notice the clear peaks and valleys in the vinyl waveforms compared to the hard flat edges seen on the cd waveforms. Now imagine the CD waveforms compressed even more and that's probably what you're listening to.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...stering-vinyl-vs-cd-in_rainbows_waveforms.jpg
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As a professional audio engineer, sounds like to me like you're being fooled simply by volume and compression. No, I have not installed and listened to the programs you're talking about. I'm simply judging them by the names of the settings you're saying to tweak. Hard signal strength to me means loud (most things sound better when they're louder), soft clipping means it's allowing the system to slightly peak (distort) while placing a brick wall limiter in the audio path to allow the audio to be a loud as possible without actually giving the listener a distorted listening experience. This what what radio stations do. I would guess that if you were to take the headphone jack out to a recording interface and record the audio coming out, it would be nothing but a solid blocked waveform with no dynamic range.
Do your ears often feel fatigued after listening to music with these settings?
Here's an image that shows you what I'm talking about. This is actually comparing a song on vinyl to the same song on a CD but it get's my point across. The top waveforms are vinyl and the bottom are from the CD. Notice the clear peaks and valleys in the vinyl waveforms compared to the hard flat edges seen on the cd waveforms. Now imagine the CD waveforms compressed even more and that's probably what you're listening to.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/atta...stering-vinyl-vs-cd-in_rainbows_waveforms.jpg
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Thank you for your post. I appreciate the information. I don't understand what you mean by being fooled though. Your ears hear what they hear. You are 100% correct about everything the only thing I can tell you is using your phone with headphones (preferably B-class driver CANS) sounds really good. The reason for Hard somcpression and sof-clipping specifically with this device is the audio is so low to begin with if you can force the DAC to go louder these settings sound good possible because of the lack of vloume already on the phone. I do tend to turn things down a few notches now to make it comfortable for longer periods. Before the phone would fatigue my ears and sound terrible because I was forced to turn it up all the way just to enjoy the music. (rocking out if you will) This audio plug actually gives the device responsive bass...The DSP settings do use virtualization tricks to make the sound more pleasant however the untweakable sound engines installed are very real and use some beats,some dobly, xlouder from sony, etc etc etc. The best advice I can give you is just flash it ...after a backup of course. As long as you rom is up to date it should work and I would really appreciate if reverred opinions from sound engineers would lend some credability to the post.
Thanks much, -OP :highfive:
Is this post really about purity of sound? In a smartphone?
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Is this post really about purity of sound? In a smartphone?
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Hey this post is about teaking lemons and making lemondade...Honestly the phone is awesome even for an old Gal except audio. Will this mod be as good as a professional setup? NO! But why hinder people who have the phone and want to use it to play music while they do (whatever). No one should judge me because I listen to music on it instead of exclusively on something that cost thousands of dollars. That being said...I am at a loss for words why no one has went over to:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1923630
...and tried it. When it takes 5-10 minutes to make a backup on CWM or TWRP and flash something that you could use while ..(lets say camping) to listen to tunes pleasantly instead of barely being able to drown out the wildlife noises. Discalimer: The MOD will not force you to listen to music exclusively on your smart phone. It might however open up narrow minds to the the ability of the phone to be far superior to an iPOD. So please try this, even if you do there is not need to revert because it doesnt break or take away from anything it only betters your device should you get stuck in an elevator with someone you hate maybe you can make there annoying voice disappear.
What I can say 100% is this is BETTER than stock period. There is no question and unless you have tried it and didn't like it then you can't contribute here. It MIGHT be the BEST audio setup for the phone right now...will we have something better in the future? I don't know but it will probably be AC!D AUDIO 6.0 (the updated MOD).
And just to clarify I could not give two douces if anyone thanks me...I don't know you, will never know you, and really would refuse to shake most of your hands if I did meet you because no one has done anything to help in this thread so far. People are so rediculous that they havnt even been searching for something to fix the poor audio that I have been crawling forums since Nov 2011 when I stood in line for 3 hours just to say AWwwwwww...when I fired up the music player. Now it is acceptable and I want to pass on the good word. All I have gotten is flak from DJ's and forum etiquette gurus.
Thanks, Joe :fingers-crossed:
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Thank you for your post. I appreciate the information. I don't understand what you mean by being fooled though. Your ears hear what they hear. You are 100% correct about everything the only thing I can tell you is using your phone with headphones (preferably B-class driver CANS) sounds really good. The reason for Hard somcpression and sof-clipping specifically with this device is the audio is so low to begin with if you can force the DAC to go louder these settings sound good possible because of the lack of vloume already on the phone. I do tend to turn things down a few notches now to make it comfortable for longer periods. Before the phone would fatigue my ears and sound terrible because I was forced to turn it up all the way just to enjoy the music. (rocking out if you will) This audio plug actually gives the device responsive bass...The DSP settings do use virtualization tricks to make the sound more pleasant however the untweakable sound engines installed are very real and use some beats,some dobly, xlouder from sony, etc etc etc. The best advice I can give you is just flash it ...after a backup of course. As long as you rom is up to date it should work and I would really appreciate if reverred opinions from sound engineers would lend some credability to the post.
Thanks much, -OP :highfive:
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By "fooled" I mean, listen to a song you're unfamiliar with at a low-moderate volume, then listen to it with just a 3-5db gain... you'll think the slightly louder version sounds a lot better. Try it out.
Along those same lines, why do you think the general, non-audiophile, public thinks Beats headphones are the greatest thing since ice cream? Aside from them being the trendy accessory to ones wardrobe, people swear by their sound. I can say that I have listened to several Beats headphones, do they sound bad? No, I'd venture to say they sound good but not great. I'd never own a pair and I certainly would never use them in the studio. So why do so many people think they're so awesome? Because they are designed to have an over-hyped bass and treble response. People hear hyped bass and think "DANG! This is pumpin!" then they notice the extra treble and say "wow, these sound crisp!" They're being fooled and they're also being forced to listen to the music in a way that wasn't intended.
You were dogging something one else for using "flat-response" Sennheiser's, remember? The fact is, flat response headphones, earphones, speakers, and studio monitors is what audiophiles go after. Flat doesn't mean dull or boring, it means clean, pure, and untainted. With a flat response speaker you're hearing what the audio truly sounds like, which then allows you to make better adjustments to the audio. Think about it, if I mix a song using Beats headphones and then you play it back in your car, they first thing you'd say is "Where's the bass?" Well, my ears were fooled by the over-hyped bass on the Beats that I thought it had plenty! You'd then notice how the track doesn't sound very clean and crisp, why? Because once again the over-hyped treble of the Beats threw my ears off and made me think the high end was where it needed to be and any more adjustments to it would just make it sound tinny.
Hopefully that helps.
First off I'd like to say thanks for this great forum. I've used it many times over the years but just recently registered. I've never really had anything substantial to add (still don't). In the past I've had a Photon and HTC One M7, both from Sprint. I never really had the urge to mess with them at all. I recently bought a Note 4 and I decided to root it. I'm more of a computer person, building and customizing but never got into messing with phones.
With that said I'm in need of some help so I decided to register. Not sure if I have much to add at this point to become a contributing member so if anybody is hesitant to help I completely understand. I've been a noob on many other forums, and have also seen noobs come and go. So if anybody can help, that's great and I thank you ahead of time. If not, that's OK too.
I was completely torn between the new LG, an HTC One M9 and the Note 4........ I even considered the Nexus. The audio quality of the M7 that I had was and still is better than any other non-HTC phone on the market and it was really tough to convince myself to get something different. I wanted a big screen with great hardware. The Note 4 had all that except for the audio. The audio, speakers and headphone quality absolutely suck. I am terribly disappointed. I was going to see if HTC was going to release a version with a bigger display, I saw that it is a toned down version. If HTC made a 5.5-5.7" maxed out version like the smaller M9 I would have gotten it.
Now, I've rooted this phone and I've gone through all the steps of installing V4A and no matter what I do it does not function at all. The problem I see is that my phone upgraded to Lollipop. In order to properly install V4A the SELinux mode needs to be set to permissive. There was an app (I forget the name of it offhand) that could change the mode, unfortunately it is not compatible with Lollipop. Without changing the mode to permissive I cannot properly install V4A.
I've searched through this forum a couple times over and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Is there another way to change this mode? What about recommendations for one of the custom ROM's that has V4A in it? I'm really open to any suggestions. I'm really fed up with this phone telling me what volume level is enough. I use this phone for music all the time and the stock equalizer automatically cuts the volume down to the highest equalizer setting. I can hear the difference, when using Spotify if I skip to the next song the stock equalizer (SoundAlive) takes a split second to kick in and you can hear how it should sound without SoundAlive. For all this Note 4 has, I'm really starting to regret getting this over the M9. It would be a great phone if I can get some volume back as well as some decent sound quality.
JJFIVEOH said:
First off I'd like to say thanks for this great forum. I've used it many times over the years but just recently registered. I've never really had anything substantial to add (still don't). In the past I've had a Photon and HTC One M7, both from Sprint. I never really had the urge to mess with them at all. I recently bought a Note 4 and I decided to root it. I'm more of a computer person, building and customizing but never got into messing with phones.
With that said I'm in need of some help so I decided to register. Not sure if I have much to add at this point to become a contributing member so if anybody is hesitant to help I completely understand. I've been a noob on many other forums, and have also seen noobs come and go. So if anybody can help, that's great and I thank you ahead of time. If not, that's OK too.
I was completely torn between the new LG, an HTC One M9 and the Note 4........ I even considered the Nexus. The audio quality of the M7 that I had was and still is better than any other non-HTC phone on the market and it was really tough to convince myself to get something different. I wanted a big screen with great hardware. The Note 4 had all that except for the audio. The audio, speakers and headphone quality absolutely suck. I am terribly disappointed. I was going to see if HTC was going to release a version with a bigger display, I saw that it is a toned down version. If HTC made a 5.5-5.7" maxed out version like the smaller M9 I would have gotten it.
Now, I've rooted this phone and I've gone through all the steps of installing V4A and no matter what I do it does not function at all. The problem I see is that my phone upgraded to Lollipop. In order to properly install V4A the SELinux mode needs to be set to permissive. There was an app (I forget the name of it offhand) that could change the mode, unfortunately it is not compatible with Lollipop. Without changing the mode to permissive I cannot properly install V4A.
I've searched through this forum a couple times over and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Is there another way to change this mode? What about recommendations for one of the custom ROM's that has V4A in it? I'm really open to any suggestions. I'm really fed up with this phone telling me what volume level is enough. I use this phone for music all the time and the stock equalizer automatically cuts the volume down to the highest equalizer setting. I can hear the difference, when using Spotify if I skip to the next song the stock equalizer (SoundAlive) takes a split second to kick in and you can hear how it should sound without SoundAlive. For all this Note 4 has, I'm really starting to regret getting this over the M9. It would be a great phone if I can get some volume back as well as some decent sound quality.
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You need custom kernel to set mode from enforced to permissive... or google there is away to enable V4A to work with stock kernel that involve romtool.
This phone imo is top notch in all areas but I agree with you on the audio quality, stock music player that is. I use PowerAmp and all of that changes, even through the phones tiny speaker. My suggestion is to revert to stock and simply install the app if you're just looking to improve audio quality. Just my 2 cents.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxmpz.audioplayer
patrick_1 said:
This phone imo is top notch in all areas but I agree with you on the audio quality, stock music player that is. I use PowerAmp and all of that changes, even through the phones tiny speaker. My suggestion is to revert to stock and simply install the app if you're just looking to improve audio quality. Just my 2 cents.
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I've heard many good things about PowerAmp but as far as I know that's only applicable to downloaded songs. It doesn't work with Spotify.
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I've heard many good things about PowerAmp but as far as I know that's only applicable to downloaded songs. It doesn't work with Spotify.
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Yeah that's true. Sorry
I'd suggest using the Emotion r14 kernel. That will get you permissive and a much snappier phone as well as having tweaks specific to sound. It supports Faux 123 sound on top of everything else. You should find a link to the kernel in the original android development area.
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Sorry the Emotion kernel can be found here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2990557
kenjesse said:
I'd suggest using the Emotion r14 kernel. That will get you permissive and a much snappier phone as well as having tweaks specific to sound. It supports Faux 123 sound on top of everything else. You should find a link to the kernel in the original android development area.
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Sorry the Emotion kernel can be found here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2990557
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Thank you for the recommendation. I'll check it out. If I can get the permissive setting I shouldn't have any issues getting V4A installed. Everything else that comes with that kernel is an added bonus.
OK, that kernel worked great! I was able to install V4A almost flawlessly. No disrespect to any of the equalizer apps out there but V4A is by far the best audio control I've used. I've been banging my head against the wall trying to get this installed. That kernel did make the phone a little "snappier" as you put it. I haven't had a chance to mess with Synapse, I might just leave well enough alone as it's now working he way I want. Thanks again.
im just curious do you still have data after flashing that kernal?
Do I still have data? Not sure what you mean.
Hello to all.
Can someone help me with the tunein radio not working with viper audio?
I changed my phone to permissive, and added the 2 zips somebody uploaded that changed the build prop. But i still cannot get viper and tunein to work together. Maven Pro audio works great as does iheart with viper.
Thank you in advance.
Blessings
I'm not a subscriber of Tunein, I wish I could help ya. Does V4A work with other audio services?
JJFIVEOH said:
I'm not a subscriber of Tunein, I wish I could help ya. Does V4A work with other audio services?
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Yes. I heart and maven pro music player works great with viper.
Thank you for your reply.
Blessings
ulremember said:
Yes. I heart and maven pro music player works great with viper.
Thank you for your reply.
Blessings
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According to this it's an issue with Tunein. It is a little old so not sure if there is a different issue since then, so take it for what it's worth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2456073&page=24
Anyone looking to improve the audio quality of their MTCD/E head unit has 5 options, each in their own thread scattered across 3 of the 4 MTCD forums, so I thought I d open one overarching thread for discussing and comparing all 5 options.
These mods apply to R3188/PX3 and RK3368/PX5 units, they should also work on Sofia units as well, but I dont recall reading that anyone has tried, theyll likely work on the new RK3369/Px6 hexacore units too, but again AFIAK no one has one yet.
1) The easiest and simplest way to improve sound quality is to flash one of @cs-x(RU)'s modified sound patched MCUs which give improved overall sound quality, just find one that matches you manufacturer and flash it, job done. No root required. Gives a small but useful improvement in sound quality. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ent/mod-cs-x-mod-mtcd-e-mcu-firmware-t3816042
2) @Wadzio has cleverly managed to implement @7floor's hardware mod (see below) in software, all thats needed is to flash one of his MCUs and install a few apps. Root is only required if you want to replace the original amp app with @Wadzio's - the original can be left installed for non root users. It doesnt work on all units yet as it requires the MCU to be modified quite heavily and @Wadzio cant spend all his time modded MCUs ! (he has released a guide on how to do it, though). It can be buggy on some units. Increases sound quality and enables much more control and more settings. Thread is here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...elopment/mod-bd375xx-sound-processor-t3834657
3) @7floor's sound mod - on units without a factory fitted upgraded DSP (ie most currently), the audio chip is controlled by the MCU, @7floor's mod involves disconnecting the MCU from the audio chip and connecting the audio chip directly to the SoM so Android control it, some basic soldering skills are required. Units must be rooted, installing an app is also required. It works on Lollipop and MM units but its not currently working on Oreo units as the system cannot find a small file, however I its a minor bug that I think could be fixed easily. The mod was originally developed for the related MTCB/C units which is why the original thread is in the MTCB forum. Increases sound quality and enables much more control and more settings. Threads here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an.../mtc-sound-controlling-bd37xxx-sound-t3234660
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...re-development/7floor-sound-mod-mtcd-t3624035
4) @cs-x(RU) has managed to retro fit an upgraded DSP to the same spec as the new units with factory fitted upgraded DSPs and it uses existing apps which the unit will automatically use if it detects that a DSP is fitted to the motherboard, so units dont have to be rooted. This mod wont be for everybody as it involves buying a DSP board and a lot of soldering. Increases sound quality the most. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/mod-simpledsp-installation-mtcd-e-t3823075
5) Buy a new unit with the upgraded DSP fitted at the factory. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...eneral/dsp-units-androidautoshop-com-t3803557
this thread is incredibly helpful! Thank you!
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this thread is incredibly helpful! Thank you!
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No probs, thats the idea.
Agreed - great idea. As a new MTCE Android head-unit owner, my head was spinning trying to figure all of this out. Unfortunately for me, this thread was a little late, but I'm sure it will be very helpful to other new users in the near future. Thank you for putting this together.
Should Viper4Android be added to your list (I'm acutally going to go that route myself instead of any of the other options - at least for now)?
Great thread @typos1, we'll done. Re. Wadzio #2 - root is not required if not replacing the stock apk.
I.E. there are two options
1. root - replacing the built in eq app or
2. Non-root - installing a second eq app.
jtrosky said:
Agreed - great idea. As a new MTCE Android head-unit owner, my head was spinning trying to figure all of this out. Unfortunately for me, this thread was a little late, but I'm sure it will be very helpful to other new users in the near future. Thank you for putting this together.
Should Viper4Android be added to your list (I'm acutally going to go that route myself instead of any of the other options - at least for now)?
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Thanks. I havent included Viper4android, Dolbyatmos (not sure anyones tried that on a headunit actually) or any other equaliser app cos the thread was meant to be about MTCD/E specific improvements.
marchnz said:
Great thread @typos1, we'll done. Re. Wadzio #2 - root is not required if not replacing the stock apk.
I.E. there are two options
1. root - replacing the built in eq app or
2. Non-root - installing a second eq app.
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Ta.
I never considered keeping the original amp app as an option TBH, but it means non root users can benefit from the mod, I ll edit it.
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Thanks. I havent included Viper4android, Dolbyatmos (not sure anyones tried that on a headunit actually) or any other equaliser app cos the thread was meant to be about MTCD/E specific improvements.
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Ah - that makes sense. Otherwise, you'd have a gizillion different "equalizer"-type apps to include. Although, I truly think that Viper4Android is in a league of it's own and far more than a typical equalizer. I consider is a "software-based DSP", not just an equalizer - but like you said, it's not MTCD/E-specific, so I understand why it's not included.
But thanks again for putting this together - this will be a huge help for new MTCD/E owners!
I'm curious what others think of the different sound improvements. What is their favorite and why? And how do people feel about the software mods compared to Viper4Android?
I was really disappointed to find that these units didn't have a "real" 9-band EQ. At the very east, you'd think that it would be implemented via software if it can't be done via hardware. Is there any reason why it can't be done via software by the manufacturer (instead of needing to root and use Viper4Andorid in order to get a real EQ)? To me, Bass, Mid and Treble just isn't enough.
typos1 said:
Anyone looking to improve the audio quality of their MTCD/E head unit has 5 options, each in their own thread scattered across 3 of the 4 MTCD forums, so I thought I d open one overarching thread for discussing and comparing all 5 options.
These mods apply to R3188/PX3 and RK3368/PX5 units, they should also work on Sofia units as well, but I dont recall reading that anyone has tried, theyll likely work on the new RK3369/Px6 hexacore units too, but again AFIAK no one has one yet.
1) The easiest and simplest way to improve sound quality is to flash one of @cs-x(RU)'s modified sound patched MCUs which give improved overall sound quality, just find one that matches you manufacturer and flash it, job done. No root required. Gives a small but useful improvement in sound quality. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ent/mod-cs-x-mod-mtcd-e-mcu-firmware-t3816042
2) @Wadzio has cleverly managed to implement @7floor's hardware mod (see below) in software, all thats needed is to flash one of his MCUs and install a few apps. Root is only required if you want to replace the original amp app with @Wadzio's - the original can be left installed for non root users. It doesnt work on all units yet as it requires the MCU to be modified quite heavily and @Wadzio cant spend all his time modded MCUs ! (he has released a guide on how to do it, though). It can be buggy on some units. Increases sound quality and enables much more control and more settings. Thread is here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...elopment/mod-bd375xx-sound-processor-t3834657
3) @7floor's sound mod - on units without a factory fitted upgraded DSP (ie most currently), the audio chip is controlled by the MCU, @7floor's mod involves disconnecting the MCU from the audio chip and connecting the audio chip directly to the SoM so Android control it, some basic soldering skills are required. Units must be rooted, installing an app is also required. It works on Lollipop and MM units but its not currently working on Oreo units as the system cannot find a small file, however I its a minor bug that I think could be fixed easily. The mod was originally developed for the related MTCB/C units which is why the original thread is in the MTCB forum. Increases sound quality and enables much more control and more settings. Threads here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an.../mtc-sound-controlling-bd37xxx-sound-t3234660
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...re-development/7floor-sound-mod-mtcd-t3624035
4) @cs-x(RU) has managed to retro fit an upgraded DSP to the same spec as the new units with factory fitted upgraded DSPs and it uses existing apps which the unit will automatically use if it detects that a DSP is fitted to the motherboard, so units dont have to be rooted. This mod wont be for everybody as it involves buying a DSP board and a lot of soldering. Increases sound quality the most. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/mod-simpledsp-installation-mtcd-e-t3823075
5) Buy a new unit with the upgraded DSP fitted at the factory. Thread here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...eneral/dsp-units-androidautoshop-com-t3803557
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What a nice post!
Saw this video today, which led me to your post here, and I wonder if the speaker distance/delay setting works accordingly? Not expecting Pioneer-quality time alignment affect here, but a little bit of such an ability would be a big win.
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Ah - that makes sense. Otherwise, you'd have a gizillion different "equalizer"-type apps to include. Although, I truly think that Viper4Android is in a league of it's own and far more than a typical equalizer. I consider is a "software-based DSP", not just an equalizer - but like you said, it's not MTCD/E-specific, so I understand why it's not included.
But thanks again for putting this together - this will be a huge help for new MTCD/E owners!
I'm curious what others think of the different sound improvements. What is their favorite and why? And how do people feel about the software mods compared to Viper4Android?
I was really disappointed to find that these units didn't have a "real" 9-band EQ. At the very east, you'd think that it would be implemented via software if it can't be done via hardware. Is there any reason why it can't be done via software by the manufacturer (instead of needing to root and use Viper4Andorid in order to get a real EQ)? To me, Bass, Mid and Treble just isn't enough.
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The standard DSP has a 3 band equaliser and the related MTCB/C originally had this, but at some point it was changed to the fake 9 band set up (which some how takes average values for each band to make the extar 6 bands), @7floor's and @Wadzio's mods revert to the true 3 band equaliser, so one of these 2 mods is what you need to do to get a real eq.
I stopped using viper as soon as I did 7floor's mod, as I thought it was unnecessary after that, not keen on layers and layers of sound enhancements personally.
Xcaptain said:
What a nice post!
Saw this video today, which led me to your post here, and I wonder if the speaker distance/delay setting works accordingly? Not expecting Pioneer-quality time alignment affect here, but a little bit of such an ability would be a big win.
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Thanks. Theres nothing to suggest that the delay settings dont work.
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The standard DSP has a 3 band equaliser and the related MTCB/C originally had this, but at some point it was changed to the fake 9 band set up (which some how takes average values for each band to make the extar 6 bands), @7floor's and @Wadzio's mods revert to the true 3 band equaliser, so one of these 2 mods is what you need to do to get a real eq.
I stopped using viper as soon as I did 7floor's mod, as I thought it was unnecessary after that, not keen on layers and layers of sound enhancements personally.
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When I say that I want a "real" EQ, what I mean is that I want something with more than 3 bands. To me, 3 bands just isn't enough. That's why I'm interested in Viper4Android - becuase it will give me more than 3 bands and still be a "system wide" EQ. I really don't care if it's a hardware or software-based EQ - as long as it works and has more than 3 bands. I'm thinking that an octa-core unit with 4GB of RAM should be able to handle software-based EQ without issues - at least for what I'm planning to use it for... Not to mention all of the other cool stuff that only Viper4Android offers - such as the irs files. I've always been a fan of BBE and they even have irs files for BBE...
I was really disappointed to learn that the stock EQ was "fake" and was really only a 3-band EQ as a 5-band+ EQ was one of my "pre-requisites" when buying a head-unit. I'm hoping that Viper4Android will give me the extra tuning capability that I'm looking for though - becuase I REALLY like the flexibility of these Android head-units (used to WinCE head-units without any flexibility!).
Although, I haven't actually tested the unit "in car" yet, so maybe I'll be happy with the stock "fake" EQ. After all, I have an amp that has DSP built-in (auto-tuning DSP though - I can't customize it after it sets it up, which is why I still need the head-unit EQ to make small adjustments).
Great thread idea, something like this was definitely needed, and this is fairly comprehensive. I'll just put in that I have done the hardware DSP mod (Option #4 on this list) with great success. It has dramatically increased the audio quality of my unit, which was extremely poor before (Bad hiss and processing 'noise' from both RCA and speaker level outputs, which became basically unusable if you plug in anything to the USB ports).
I will note that this option is not necessarily compatible with all PX5 SOM's - I had to swap mine out in order to have the additional 4 pins required on the SOM.
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When I say that I want a "real" EQ, what I mean is that I want something with more than 3 bands. To me, 3 bands just isn't enough. That's why I'm interested in Viper4Android - becuase it will give me more than 3 bands and still be a "system wide" EQ. I really don't care if it's a hardware or software-based EQ - as long as it works and has more than 3 bands. I'm thinking that an octa-core unit with 4GB of RAM should be able to handle software-based EQ without issues - at least for what I'm planning to use it for... Not to mention all of the other cool stuff that only Viper4Android offers - such as the irs files. I've always been a fan of BBE and they even have irs files for BBE...
I was really disappointed to learn that the stock EQ was "fake" and was really only a 3-band EQ as a 5-band+ EQ was one of my "pre-requisites" when buying a head-unit. I'm hoping that Viper4Android will give me the extra tuning capability that I'm looking for though - becuase I REALLY like the flexibility of these Android head-units (used to WinCE head-units without any flexibility!).
Although, I haven't actually tested the unit "in car" yet, so maybe I'll be happy with the stock "fake" EQ. After all, I have an amp that has DSP built-in (auto-tuning DSP though - I can't customize it after it sets it up, which is why I still need the head-unit EQ to make small adjustments).
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Lol, youre the opposite of me - the only time I use the equaliser is for music older than the 1990s when I use the Rock setting, other than that I listen to it flat.
It sounds to me like you should do @Wadzio's mod, then install viper, at least @Wadzio's mod will give you the correct 3 band equaliser and not the fake 9 band one.
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Great thread idea, something like this was definitely needed, and this is fairly comprehensive. I'll just put in that I have done the hardware DSP mod (Option #4 on this list) with great success. It has dramatically increased the audio quality of my unit, which was extremely poor before (Bad hiss and processing 'noise' from both RCA and speaker level outputs, which became basically unusable if you plug in anything to the USB ports).
I will note that this option is not necessarily compatible with all PX5 SOM's - I had to swap mine out in order to have the additional 4 pins required on the SOM.
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Thanks.
Interesting what you say about the SoM differences, do you have any pics ?
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Lol, youre the opposite of me - the only time I use the equaliser is for music older than the 1990s when I use the Rock setting, other than that I listen to it flat.
It sounds to me like you should do @Wadzio's mod, then install viper, at least @Wadzio's mod will give you the correct 3 band equaliser and not the fake 9 band one.
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Maybe we're not that differernt.... It's just that I'm old, so that vast majority of music that I listen to is older than the 1990s.
I just like having complete control and be able to adjust different frequencies as needed.
I would probably try @Wadzio's mod, but I have two problems:
1. I still don't have an original version of my MCU (MTCE_WWW_V2.85d_1)
2. I don't see a MTCE_WWW version of @Wadzio's mod... Some have said WWW = KLD, but without a backup of my original, not going to risk it.
I did find a MTCE_WWW version of @cs-x's mod (looks similar to @Wadzio's, but lacking loud adjustment) - but again, without having a backup of my original MCU, I'm hesitant to try it.... I did eventually convince Eonon to give me a copy of the stock ROM zip (update.zip) for my unit, but still trying to get the original MCU files...
It's killing me, but I'm being patient as I want to make sure I have a way to get back to where I started, just in case.
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Maybe we're not that differernt.... It's just that I'm old, so that vast majority of music that I listen to is older than the 1990s.
I just like having complete control and be able to adjust different frequencies as needed.
I would probably try @Wadzio's mod, but I have two problems:
1. I still don't have an original version of my MCU (MTCE_WWW_V2.85d_1)
2. I don't see a MTCE_WWW version of @Wadzio's mod... Some have said WWW = KLD, but without a backup of my original, not going to risk it.
I did find a MTCE_WWW version of @cs-x's mod (looks similar to @Wadzio's, but lacking loud adjustment) - but again, without having a backup of my original MCU, I'm hesitant to try it.... I did eventually convince Eonon to give me a copy of the stock ROM zip (update.zip) for my unit, but still trying to get the original MCU files...
It's killing me, but I'm being patient as I want to make sure I have a way to get back to where I started, just in case.
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WWW is deffo KLD and you dont have to have a back up - there are numerous WWW and KLD MCUs spread over various threads.
If youre waiting for a specific WWW 2.85 then this is also unnecessary - new MCU versions are released all the time , so your v2.85 is already out of date anyway.
In factory settings use the "Export" function, it will save your MCU settings.
typos1 said:
WWW is deffo KLD and you dont have to have a back up - there are numerous WWW and KLD MCUs spread over various threads.
If youre waiting for a specific WWW 2.85 then this is also unnecessary - new MCU versions are released all the time , so your v2.85 is already out of date anyway.
In factory settings use the "Export" function, it will save your MCU settings.
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I'm don't really need the exact MCU, but I would at least like a WWW MCU that is equal to or greater than what I have now before I start messing with it - and so far, I haven't found one. I remember reading somewhere that the KLD MCU is ever so slightly different than the WWW MCU (I think the KLD powers off the unit with a press of the volume knob where WWW requires a press-and-hold). That may sound minimal, but I really don't want my unit shutting down if I bump the volume knob by accident - so even that little difference is enough to make me avoid the KLD MCU if I can - at least until I have a WWW version to fall back on if needed.
This is not really the right place, but if anyone reading this happens to have a stock WWW MCU file for 2.85d_1 or greater, please share. I'm assuming it's out there because I've seen a sound-modfied version of it. I just don't want to get stuck in a situation where I can't get back to where I started - epecially if I'm going to mess around trying to use KLD versions instead of WWW versions. I learned long ago to always make sure you can get back to where you started before you start "playing". I'll post a request in one of the MCU threads to see if I can find a recent WWW version, just in case I can't get it from Eonon.
jtrosky said:
I'm don't really need the exact MCU, but I would at least like a WWW MCU that is equal to or greater than what I have now before I start messing with it - and so far, I haven't found one. I remember reading somewhere that the KLD MCU is ever so slightly different than the WWW MCU (I think the KLD powers off the unit with a press of the volume knob where WWW requires a press-and-hold). That may sound minimal, but I really don't want my unit shutting down if I bump the volume knob by accident - so even that little difference is enough to make me avoid the KLD MCU if I can - at least until I have a WWW version to fall back on if needed.
This is not really the right place, but if anyone reading this happens to have a stock WWW MCU file for 2.85d_1 or greater, please share. I'm assuming it's out there because I've seen a sound-modfied version of it. I just don't want to get stuck in a situation where I can't get back to where I started - epecially if I'm going to mess around trying to use KLD versions instead of WWW versions. I learned long ago to always make sure you can get back to where you started before you start "playing". I'll post a request in one of the MCU threads to see if I can find a recent WWW version, just in case I can't get it from Eonon.
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Seriously, youre being way, way too over cautious. That WWW is KLD is well known and you can remap the buttons in factory settings.
If you search the MCU threads you ll find a copy of a WWW MCU, but a I said, its not needed.
typos1 said:
Seriously, youre being way, way too over cautious. That WWW is KLD is well known and you can remap the buttons in factory settings.
If you search the MCU threads you ll find a copy of a WWW MCU, but a I said, its not needed.
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I've read that being that my unit requires a CANBUS module, that key re-mapping cannot be done. Not sure if that is only for steering-wheel controls or if that also includes the physical buttons on the faceplate (I honestly didn't even realize the faceplate buttons could be remapped at all). I've very new to these radios, so yes, I am being overly cautious. In the end, if I experiment and end up with something that doesn't work right or just doesn't work like it "used to", then I'm SOL - at least until I have a copy of the current MCU, which I know at least works 100%. Believe me, I've searched and searched and searched and so far, I cannot find an MTCE_WWW_2.85d_1 or higher MCU file. I found one post that had a link to it (2.85), but the link was dead.
I'll see what Eonon comes back with tomorrow, but yes, due to previous experiences with stuff like this, I'm being very cautious - especially since my knowledge level is still low at this point. Rather be safe than sorry - especially since I'm still within my return window and am not even 100% sure that I'm keeping the unit. I must say, the CANBUS warning-chime and turn-signal sounds that I finally heard in-car yesterday were absolutely horrible - like I couldn't believe how bad.
But I do appreciate all of the input - it's all part of the learning process. I'm still reading and searching through the thousands and thousads of posts related to these radios - but it takes time... Threads like this are a huge help though!
jtrosky said:
I've read that being that my unit requires a CANBUS module, that key re-mapping cannot be done. Not sure if that is only for steering-wheel controls or if that also includes the physical buttons on the faceplate (I honestly didn't even realize the faceplate buttons could be remapped at all). I've very new to these radios, so yes, I am being overly cautious. In the end, if I experiment and end up with something that doesn't work right or just doesn't work like it "used to", then I'm SOL - at least until I have a copy of the current MCU, which I know at least works 100%. Believe me, I've searched and searched and searched and so far, I cannot find an MTCE_WWW_2.85d_1 or higher MCU file. I found one post that had a link to it (2.85), but the link was dead.
I'll see what Eonon comes back with tomorrow, but yes, due to previous experiences with stuff like this, I'm being very cautious - especially since my knowledge level is still low at this point. Rather be safe than sorry - especially since I'm still within my return window and am not even 100% sure that I'm keeping the unit. I must say, the CANBUS warning-chime and turn-signal sounds that I finally heard in-car yesterday were absolutely horrible - like I couldn't believe how bad.
But I do appreciate all of the input - it's all part of the learning process. I'm still reading and searching through the thousands and thousads of posts related to these radios - but it takes time... Threads like this are a huge help though!
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AFAIK its only SWC, but there is a way to remap SWC anyway, so even if it applies to panel buttons it can be overcome.
You are deffo not SOL if something goes wrong, cos there are copies of WWW MCU in other threads, any WWW MCU will work "100%" and you can also use KLD MCUs. As I keep saying. Plus theres a wealth of info and help from us on here, so SOL you deffo arent.
Try remapping the panel buttons now - go into factory settings (password 126 or m123456), go to the tab for remapping and see.
Eonon ? Lol, they know F all about the units that they resell, good luck with that !
Cant see what the turn signal sounds have to do with your unit.
typos1 said:
AFAIK its only SWC, but there is a way to remap SWC anyway, so even if it applies to panel buttons it can be overcome.
You are deffo not SOL if something goes wrong, cos there are copies of WWW MCU in other threads, any WWW MCU will work "100%" and you can also use KLD MCUs. As I keep saying. Plus theres a wealth of info and help from us on here, so SOL you deffo arent.
Try remapping the panel buttons now - go into factory settings (password 126 or m123456), go to the tab for remapping and see.
Eonon ? Lol, they know F all about the units that they resell, good luck with that !
Cant see what the turn signal sounds have to do with your unit.
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The turn signal and warning chime sounds in my car are generated from the head-unit. With the stock radio, the CANBUS interface in internal and those sounds come out of the cars speakers (and sound very good). But with these MTCE head-units, they give you an exteral CANBUS module, which allows the steering-wheels keys to work (and from what I've read can't be changed on these GM-specific units?) and they also actually generate the turn-signal and warning-chime sounds, which they play through a little "stick on" speaker (instead of through the car speakers). However, the sounds that the CANBUS module generates are absolutely horrible (it's almost laughable how bad they are) - and I've read that it's not the external speaker that is the problem - it's the CANBUS module itself that is generating the horrible sounds - so there is no way to fix it that I'm aware of - unless I can get a different, higher-quality CANBUS module that works with these units.
For what it's worth, I have a GM-specific unit (the Eonon model # is GA9180A if you wanted to actually see it and what it comes with). Like I said, I've also read on these forums that the steering-wheel keys are preset and cannot be changed - unless there is some hack to do it (the normal method to map the steering wheel keys apparently doesn't work on these units). But again, I'm still crawling and searching through all of these threads, so I'm just going by what I've read - not from actual experience. Maybe I missed it, but I've yet to find a stock WWW MCU file the same or newer than mine (2.85). The problem with going with an older version is that you know that there were isuses that were fixed, so it seems silly to go backwards (or risk having to go backwards). This may seem silly to you, but to me, being that I'm still a "noob" with these radios, I just don't feel comfortable moving ahead with major "mods" until I know I can get back to where I started. Besides, I still have plenty to read and learn and don't even have the unit installed in-car yet (still testing "on the bench" other than a quick in-car test yersterday), so I'm not in a huge hurry.
jtrosky said:
The turn signal and warning chime sounds in my car are generated from the head-unit. With the stock radio, the CANBUS interface in internal and those sounds come out of the cars speakers (and sound very good). But with these MTCE head-units, they give you an exteral CANBUS module, which allows the steering-wheels keys to work (and from what I've read can't be changed on these GM-specific units?) and they also actually generate the turn-signal and warning-chime sounds, which they play through a little "stick on" speaker (instead of through the car speakers). However, the sounds that the CANBUS module generates are absolutely horrible (it's almost laughable how bad they are) - and I've read that it's not the external speaker that is the problem - it's the CANBUS module itself that is generating the horrible sounds - so there is no way to fix it that I'm aware of - unless I can get a different, higher-quality CANBUS module that works with these units.
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Right, a friend of mine recently installed a unit in his (GM) Opel Astra, it came with a speaker and we wondered what it was, although he hasnt said that any sounds are different after installing it. In factory settings you can see a list of CAN Bus box manufacturers, one from another manufacturer may sound different. Any OEM MTCD/E or indeed any retro fit head unit will come with a CAN Bus box because modern cars use CAN Bus. Few have the external speaker thing though as usually the car generates the noise. As I keep saying the SWC CAN BE CHANGED !!
jtrosky said:
For what it's worth, I have a GM-specific unit (the Eonon model # is GA9180A if you wanted to actually see it and what it comes with). Like I said, I've also read on these forums that the steering-wheel keys are preset and cannot be changed - unless there is some hack to do it (the normal method to map the steering wheel keys apparently doesn't work on these units). But again, I'm still crawling and searching through all of these threads, so I'm just going by what I've read - not from actual experience. Maybe I missed it, but I've yet to find a stock WWW MCU file the same or newer than mine (2.85). The problem with going with an older version is that you know that there were isuses that were fixed, so it seems silly to go backwards (or risk having to go backwards). This may seem silly to you, but to me, being that I'm still a "noob" with these radios, I just don't feel comfortable moving ahead with major "mods" until I know I can get back to where I started. Besides, I still have plenty to read and learn and don't even have the unit installed in-car yet (still testing "on the bench" other than a quick in-car test yersterday), so I'm not in a huge hurry.
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You dont have an Eonon unit, there are no Eonon units, Eonon are a seller not a manufacturer, they buy from the manufacturer and sell as their own, "GA9180A" is a number made up by Eonon. Your unit is a Klyde unit, its made by Shenzhen Klyde, as we ve discussed WWW MCUs are the same as Klyde (KLD) MCUs. For the 4th time - the SWC CAN BE CHANGED !! I ve also told you how to remap the panel buttons, so can try it and then use a KLD MCU, but you dont seem to have tried it. I know youre a noob, I have 5 years experience with these units and I ve given you my advice, its up to you whether you take it.