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There was a new security update for the Verizon version of the Moto E4 this week. It may have been released across the whole Moto E4 product line.
Besides securing the phone from the Blueborne Bluetooth weakness, the update also updated the camera app.
I was pleasantly surprised with both.
Does anyone know if the camera is performing any better in low light? The camera has been one of the few big weaknesses of this great cheap phone.
My Boost Mobile Moto E4 has received a whopping ZERO updates. It's still sitting on the May security patch... Hopefully we actually receive the update at some point.
ATTACK said:
My Boost Mobile Moto E4 has received a whopping ZERO updates. It's still sitting on the May security patch... Hopefully we actually receive the update at some point.
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Yeah, me too. I was hoping for an update to come before I stary making stock rom zips but I think I might as well stop waiting. They Boost never gets updates very often.
amarc78 said:
Yeah, me too. I was hoping for an update to come before I stary making stock rom zips but I think I might as well stop waiting. They Boost never gets updates very often.
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Waiting and hoping... The story of Android.
The kicker, I have a LG Stylo 2, that was updated to the September security patch a couple of weeks ago, in fact LG has supported that phone consistently throughout the years. Sad to see Motorola, who builds basically a AOSP phone, unable to provide updates in any sort of consistent manner. I like Android, but that's way I switched over to iPhone... Timely Support.
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I like Android, but that's way I switched over to iPhone...
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Gasp! I'll pretend I didn't see that, lol.
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amarc78 said:
Gasp! I'll pretend I didn't see that, lol.
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I know right.
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anotherfakeusername said:
the update also updated the camera app.
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How so? Did the camera UI change?
I didn't notice anything different.
ATTACK said:
Waiting and hoping... The story of Android.
The kicker, I have a LG Stylo 2, that was updated to the September security patch a couple of weeks ago, in fact LG has supported that phone consistently throughout the years. Sad to see Motorola, who builds basically a AOSP phone, unable to provide updates in any sort of consistent manner. I like Android, but that's way I switched over to iPhone... Timely Support.
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Spend the same money on an Android that you did on that other thing and bingo, timely updates (well just get a pixel if you can afford it)
madbat99 said:
Spend the same money on an Android that you did on that other thing and bingo, timely updates (well just get a pixel if you can afford it)
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There is a huge difference between the two. $800+ on a Pixel and only 2 years of support, spend $800+ on an iPhone and 4+ years of support.
I can't afford to spend large amounts of money every couple of years to play catch up.
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There is a huge difference between the two. $800+ on a Pixel and only 2 years of support, spend $800+ on an iPhone and 4+ years of support.
I can't afford to spend large amounts of money every couple of years to play catch up.
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Pixel 2 gets 3yrs. Then security patches for a couple more. And if you use custom ROMs, then well, my S3 is running 7.1.2 and may get Oreo.
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Pixel 2 gets 3yrs. Then security patches for a couple more.
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Still doesn't compare.
And if you use custom ROMs...
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That's fine for a $50 phone, but I won't spend $800+ on a phone and need to flash custom ROMs to stay up-to-date.
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Still doesn't compare.
That's fine for a $50 phone, but I won't spend $800+ on a phone and need to flash custom ROMs to stay up-to-date.
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Not here to debate Android vs iOS. If that's what you're looking for, ...
You'll find it somewhere. Just saying you were comparing this phone to big A's pride and joy. Not fair. Enough OT. Moving on.
P.S. I come TO flash ROMs, it's XDA.
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Not here to debate Android vs iOS. If that's what you're looking for, ...
You'll find it somewhere. Just saying you were comparing this phone to big A's pride and joy. Not fair. Enough OT. Moving on.
P.S. I come TO flash ROMs, it's XDA.
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You should go back and re-read your comments, as that's exactly what you were looking for. If you didn't want to have a debate, you shouldn't have commented on a post that wasn't directed at you.
Yeah, but you get very limited configuration options with that other device.
CLETjB said:
Yeah, but you get very limited configuration options with that other device.
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Absolutely! IOS is quite bland, that's why I still buy Android devices to play with. But security and longevity is most important to me.
Security?? Everything that's on ANY Apple product they have a copy of on their servers.
CLETjB said:
Security?? Everything that's on ANY Apple product they have a copy of on their servers.
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LOL, ok...
INTRODUCTION
Motorola is excited to announce a new software update for moto g5 plus by Motorola. This update brings important security improvements to your phone.
For more information on Motorola updates and repairs, visit us at www.motorola.com/mymotog.
NOTE: All information on your phone will be saved. You cannot downgrade to a previous software version after installing this update.
ENHANCEMENTS
This update introduces changes including the following:
Android security: Includes the updates of Android security patches through March 1st, 2018.
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Source: https://mobilesupport.lenovo.com/us/en/Solution/MS126800
I have yet to receive it here on retbr. Will keep updated if I see anything show up.
I'm guessing somewhere after the second week of April
psychopac said:
I'm guessing somewhere after the second week of April
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Considering how Lenovorola was sending out a Feb patch in the same month to the G5S+, I'm betting on this coming out mid to end of March and rolling out in about twelve days to all regions (based on the Jan update rollout)
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Considering how Lenovorola was sending out a Feb patch in the same month to the G5S+, I'm betting on this coming out mid to end of March and rolling out in about twelve days to all regions (based on the Jan update rollout)
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Nice. But it would be much nicer if they would roll out Oreo. I was hoping they would do that in combination with the march security patch. But it seems we'll have to wait some more time.
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Wolfcity said:
Nice. But it would be much nicer if they would roll out Oreo. I was hoping they would do that in combination with the march security patch. But it seems we'll have to wait some more time.
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Honestly, I don't see what the big fuss is about Oreo. We have it already by way of custom ROMs, and it's stable enough for daily use at this point. The only issue I've seen is that certain camera functions don't work properly without the proprietary firmware, so if you want to adjust ISO or shutter speed you have to use a stock rom. That's exactly what I'm doing, btw, and I have yet to see anything 8.1 has that makes it functionally Superior to 7.0 and aside from security patches, I'm unlikely to change anything about my rom because Oreo just doesn't "wow" me.
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Honestly, I don't see what the big fuss is about Oreo. We have it already by way of custom ROMs, and it's stable enough for daily use at this point. The only issue I've seen is that certain camera functions don't work properly without the proprietary firmware, so if you want to adjust ISO or shutter speed you have to use a stock rom. That's exactly what I'm doing, btw, and I have yet to see anything 8.1 has that makes it functionally Superior to 7.0 and aside from security patches, I'm unlikely to change anything about my rom because Oreo just doesn't "wow" me.
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I am of your opinion that there is no big "wow" about Oreo. But it's an update Lenovo/Motorola promised to their users and under these circumstances something one has paid for.
About custom roms: I'm a big fan of custom roms and use them on my other devices. But as there is no Oreo source for the Moto G5+ imo there are still several problems with AOSP or Lineage based roms like users losing volte, IMEI or even mobile data when returning to stock after being on 8.1 custom roms and also the roms I've tested lack of stability and features beside the mentioned camera issues.No daily driver material for me.
That would not happen if the kernel sources of stock Oreo for potter would be available and as we all know this will only happen when our devices will be upgraded. The Moto G5+ stock rom is really good in terms of battery and performance and I'm very satisfied with the rooted 7.0 stock but I won't unroot and flash stock everytime just to get a security patch. Don't get me wrong, security patches are good and important but for me it's not worth the effort against the background that a major update is about to come in foreseeable time.
And that's the point why I'm waiting for Oreo for the Moto G5+. For stable custom roms and a good reason to unroot and reflash my device.
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agentfusion said:
Honestly, I don't see what the big fuss is about Oreo..
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A promise they made.
agentfusion said:
We have it already by way of custom ROMs, and it's stable "enough" for daily use at this point.
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Stable enough although not ideal. There are always a couple hacks and other shenanigans that may not deliver the complete experience. Either missing blobs or proprietary functions that some people need it.
Warranty. I did unlock my bootloader within 3 months. My G5 Plus started to act stupid, the power and volume buttons would get stuck and not press down anymore. This is not my fault. I'm no *insert stereotype here* to handle my phone as if it is some piece of brick.
Result: I bought another one, extra 800BRL.
Also, not everyone has the knowledge to flash ROMs, as easy as it may be. Some people **** up the most simple stuff, such as downloading the right zip for the right device.
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The only issue I've seen is that certain camera functions don't work properly without the proprietary firmware, so if you want to adjust ISO or shutter speed you have to use a stock ROM.
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There you go. Another reason which I mentioned earlier.
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I have yet to see anything 8.0/8.1 has that makes it functionally Superior to 7.0 and aside from security patches, I'm unlikely to change anything about my rom because Oreo just doesn't "wow" me
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Well there is PIP (Picture-in-Picture) there may be a lot of people that would actually love to have this feature.
There is a new interface, some people like looking at something different. Blame them
I think they improved the File Manager.
More precise notification settings. (Notification Channels)
Unknown Source APK settings revamped. (Now you don't need to go back to that APK file because the system won't dismiss everything.) [And you can choose only your file manager in case your browser gets attacked and the attacker finds a way to install APKs from it, security+)
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Oreo just doesn't "wow" me
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It should "wow" the fact that Motorola promised something as a company and did not deliver.
Would you trust them again? Do you believe they are caring enough about you as customer, or do you think they see you more as money than other OEMs?
I'm out won't due that stuck button problem I had and the delayed updates.
Pls this is not a personal attack
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it should "wow" the fact that Motorola promised something as a company and did not deliver.
Would you trust them again? Do you believe they are caring enough about you as customer, or do you think they see you more as money than other OEMs?
I'm out won't due that stuck button problem I had and the delayed updates.
Pls this is not a personal attack
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Companies lie. It's a universal constant. LG lied when they said all LG G4 devices after a certain serial number were free of the bootloop solder defect. Lie. They said it wouldn't happen in future devices. Lie. HTC lied about certain phones getting Gorilla Glass... They all lie. Motorola/Lenovo didn't give an exact date, they just said it would happen for a specific list of devices. They've reiterated the list, and then started a rollout in AUS/NZ for the X4 which is on that list, so now they can say they kept their promise because they started the rollout on one of the listed devices. They're going to say the delays are because they can't, logistically, rollout to all of them simultaneously. They've still come closer to keeping the promise than any other OEM, but they're all liars about something.
And I never take anything as a personal attack unless someone says something personal about *me* in an insulting way, so we're good. You're just sharing your opinion, same as I did. There's no harm in that.
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. They've reiterated the list, and then started a rollout in AUS/NZ for the X4 which is on that list, so now they can say they kept their promise because they started the rollout on one of the listed devices. They're going to say the delays are because they can't, logistically, rollout to all of them simultaneously. They've still come closer to keeping the promise than any other OEM, but they're all liars about something.
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To be fair they have already rolled out Oreo to the X4 and X4 Android One Edition as well as the z² force while currently having soak tests for the z² play, z play and z
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I don't even...
There is no screen. It's unreleased. You don't need proof, it's Lenovo/Motorola Support website.
Any idea what Will it include apart from security patch.
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To be fair they have already rolled out Oreo to the X4 and X4 Android One Edition as well as the z² force while currently having soak tests for the z² play, z play and z
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Nice! I didn't know they had gotten further than the X4. IMO, that's really good news for anyone with a device on the list of devices they've promised will get Oreo.
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Source: https://mobilesupport.lenovo.com/us/en/Solution/MS126800
I have yet to receive it here on retbr. Will keep updated if I see anything show up.
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Still waiting for it on Moto G5 plus reteu no brand.
Thank you for sharing.
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There is a way to manually download security patch from motorola website?
devvshukla said:
Am I the only one who don't want Moto to release orio for this device? I was also waiting for Oreo but after updating on one of my devices I found the new UI awkward specially the status bar and quick tyles (they all are either white or pure black). Also I am not going to unlock this as official LaOS is not available.
Anyone has any idea if official builds will ever be possible for Potter or not?
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I love the white UI from oreo.
Don't worry, you can stop updates on the device.. but you won't receive security patches in nougat after oreo.
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Am I the only one who don't want Moto to release orio for this device?
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An official Oreo release helps with custom Oreo ROM stabliity.
Unofficial LineageOS 14.1 is stable enough for daily use. I've been running it the past week weeks without GAPPs just fine.
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Am I the only one who don't want Moto to release orio for this device? I was also waiting for Oreo but after updating on one of my devices I found the new UI awkward specially the status bar and quick tyles (they all are either white or pure black). Also I am not going to unlock this as official LaOS is not available.
Anyone has any idea if official builds will ever be possible for Potter or not?
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You are OT. We are talking about March security update not about how pretty is the oreo UI.
Afte rall you can choose to not update to oreo, use a lineage of Nougat. Many choices for android users, you have nothing to worry about.
I've only got the January security patch on my G5 Plus last Wednesday. You guys are already getting the March patch?
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I've only got the January security patch on my G5 Plus last Wednesday. You guys are already getting the March patch?
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Depends on where you live, if your have a retail or a carrier locked phone. These OTA's always roll out in stages. There are users recieving the Nov security patch these days.
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Got it on retus.
The G6 seems to have a really active dev community. Is that a one off or is that constant? Is it easy to root LG devices? I have a choice between this of the S9+ and I can't decide on what to go for.
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The G6 seems to have a really active dev community. Is that a one off or is that constant? Is it easy to root LG devices? I have a choice between this of the S9+ and I can't decide on what to go for.
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I can't speak on behalf of the LG community as of late but the last time I had one, the G4, there was plenty of people wanting to mod/create ROM's but couldn't due to LG's restrictive bootloader unlock nature.
If it means anything, I wouldn't grab the Snapdragon 845 version of the S9+ either. If you want to root/flash ROM's, you need to get the Exynos version of the S9+. I wouldn't, as there is reportedly severe battery issues with the Exynos chipset. Getting root on the S8+ with the Snapdragon version took a very very long time whereas there was virtually no wait for the Exynos version.
I really hope there's some development for the G7!
I think it died after the G4. Just the for traffic alone in these G7 forums, should show that not many are interested in LG anymore. If it weren't for the free phones promo, I prolly wouldn't even get an LG.
The V20 had a pretty nice community for T-Mobile at least and even somewhat still does. The reason I got the Note 8 over the V30 was it had and still currently has root which I need in order to even use a phone to my liking. If the G7 or V40 has a nice root community I might get the V40. However at this point I'm likely just getting a Oneplus 6. As at this point I doubt we'll have root on the Note 9 Snapdragon version or T-Mobile devices as a whole. They used to be really root friendly like Sprint then once they became big they became pretty bad from a customer standpoint. They definitely are better than the other big two but not the carrier I fled to years ago.
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I think it died after the G4. Just the for traffic alone in these G7 forums, should show that not many are interested in LG anymore. If it weren't for the free phones promo, I prolly wouldn't even get an LG.
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This is the damned truth. I wouldn't have purchased the G7 has it not been for the buy one get one free thing..
Use to be the go to dev friendly brand...not anymore. I really wish a mainstream brand would allow for this stuff, but it seems the carriers won.
Seems like OnePlus is the way to go. Or perhaps Xiaomi. None of the mainstream brands unfortunately.
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Seems like OnePlus is the way to go. Or perhaps Xiaomi. None of the mainstream brands unfortunately.
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Like who may care still in 2018 for custom ROM developments when everything works fine in stock ROM, even EAS is supported.
Billy Madison said:
Like who may care still in 2018 for custom ROM developments when everything works fine in stock ROM, even EAS is supported.
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Lol then why are you in the xda for then if you dont care about custom roms? And the simple answer is AOSP.
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Lol then why are you in the xda for then if you dont care about custom roms? And the simple answer is AOSP.
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I don't exactly agree with the AOSP comment, but yeah...there are other forums if you only have questions to be answered.
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Like who may care still in 2018 for custom ROM developments when everything works fine in stock ROM, even EAS is supported.
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When LG invariably stops supporting this phone 9 months into it's life, and you want to at least have security patches on it....
Now that 1+ has screwed over the 6T with an even bigger design. I've been thinking of going for the S9. I held an S8 in my hand last week and the size is just perfect.
But i'm wondering about root. If i'm understanding it correctly, one should buy the exynos version as there's no root for the sd version, right?
Are there downsides to rooting that havne't been fixed yet?
If you want to root then forget about the US Snapdragon version. If done correctly I don't think you would run into many problems with the Exynos phone. I would look through this forum and read the posts that may show any problems you may face. You have to do a bit of wading to get through some but there's some good info here and plenty of help available.
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If you want to root then forget about the US Snapdragon version. If done correctly I don't think you would run into many problems with the Exynos phone. I would look through this forum and read the posts that may show any problems you may face. You have to do a bit of wading to get through some but there's some good info here and plenty of help available.
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And does the s9 have a strong developer community?
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And does the s9 have a strong developer community?
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Have a look through the Exynos dev forums
So, S9 doesn't have any DRM features you lose when rooting?
Also, i don't know if the dev community is strong by looking at the dev forums.
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So, S9 doesn't have any DRM features you lose when rooting?
Also, i don't know if the dev community is strong by looking at the dev forums.
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Read.
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I would advise against unless you get some kind of great deal. The phone is decent nothing overley better than anything else, and the US versions are lock down tight, other versions seem to be full of hassles.
I am very impressed with the s9!( Exynos version)
I am facing some issues when running multiple apps together I mean Spotify facebook Instagram messenger snapchat and browsing the same time with 3 tabs there is some lag which is for a few seconds only
i barely see my s9 freeze but it happened
(at least is faster than my old pixel xl- I am never gonna left Samsung for google ..the optimization on a battery is better on my s9 the camera the AMOLED screen and useful futures wich you gonna get on the next Android version on stock )
PS go for it, if you using the phone all day long with heavy tasks take the s9 plus with 6 GB ram is gonna be worth it!
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I would advise against unless you get some kind of great deal. The phone is decent nothing overley better than anything else, and the US versions are lock down tight, other versions seem to be full of hassles.
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It is very expensive, but i've found deals for around 555$, and that's for the exynos version. SD isn't available here.
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/09/04/android-10-t-mobile-galaxy-note-10-galaxy-s10/
This sounds to good to be true.
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This sounds to good to be true.
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That's what I thought too. Testing phase is generally pretty close to release. But we usually get a beta program first, so who knows.
Wow! If it's released in 2019, I'll be amazed.
I don't think it's to good to be true last i recall google did a new program to work with other phone manufacturer to get the latest update out faster.
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I don't think it's to good to be true last i recall google did a new program to work with other phone manufacturer to get the latest update out faster.
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That was in effect on the Note9 too (Project Treble?). Which, admittedly, the Note9 got Pie faster than the Note8 got Oreo (about two months sooner) but it was still February of the following year (after release). This seems much quicker!
If Samsung pushes out the latest software just weeks or a couple months after Google releases it, I'll be in utter shock. I confirmed it says its in testing on Tmobile site. I'm cautiously excited!
I don't doubt that it's in the testing phase. But that doesn't mean much - products can be in testing for a very long time. We can infer from this that we will (probably) get Android 10. That isn't a surprise. But we can't infer when that will happen.
I would not be so enthusiast about android 10, I read an article here in XDA about how convoluted the file management is
They'll be testing until next year, dont hold you're breathe
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I would not be so enthusiast about android 10, I read an article here in XDA about how convoluted the file management is
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Oh really? What is so weird about it? Do you recall?
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Oh really? What is so weird about it? Do you recall?
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I was wondering that too. This talks about it.
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-storage-access-framework-scoped-storage/
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I was wondering that too. This talks about it.
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-storage-access-framework-scoped-storage/
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Yes, that is the article, suposedly to increase security, but I see it more troublesome than helpful
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I don't doubt that it's in the testing phase. But that doesn't mean much - products can be in testing for a very long time. We can infer from this that we will (probably) get Android 10. That isn't a surprise. But we can't infer when that will happen.
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They'll be testing until next year, dont hold you're breathe
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While testing products can last a very long time, typically when carriers state the next OS update is in the testing phase, that means they are fairly close to release. It means they have the final version and are making sure it works on their network prior to release.
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Yes, that is the article, suposedly to increase security, but I see it more troublesome than helpful
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That is interesting. I'll have to see how it works IRL, but it sounds cumbersome.
I'm not so much excited about the update to Q itself, as I am the anticipation and leaks leading up to it. Honestly the leaked video of Q didn't really show anything groundbreaking, which is fine. Pie works great on this phone.
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While testing products can last a very long time, typically when carriers state the next OS update is in the testing phase, that means they are fairly close to release. It means they have the final version and are making sure it works on their network prior to release.
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^This! I had Tmobile branded phones from the Galaxy S until my Note 10+. The longest I've waited once it went to testing was 6 weeks. Least was 2 weeks.
While I'm skeptical, I believe this isn't fake and maybe it's the next step for Samsung phones. Fingers crossed! (Go Project Treble?!?! )
Available a month after everyone is using the S11.
Once I receive my note10+, first thing I will do is block updates, just in case android 10 has some serious bugs or battery hogging issues, or anything I dont like, after evaluating o confirmation that android 10 indeed is a worthy update, i would update
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-40892
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Once I receive my note10+, first thing I will do is block updates, just in case android 10 has some serious bugs or battery hogging issues, or anything I dont like, after evaluating o confirmation that android 10 indeed is a worthy update, i would update
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How would you do that on a locked 10+??