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Is the Z5 Premium capable of 4K HDR ? (10 bits)

Is the Z5 Premium capable of 4K HDR ? (10 bits)

I'm a bit skeptical about that since Sony had to downgrade to a 1080p that supported HDR to implement it, I can't really find any specifics or technical details on the display so I can't confirm if it's truly a 10-bit panel but most likely not.

gerickjohn said:
I'm a bit skeptical about that since Sony had to downgrade to a 1080p that supported HDR to implement it, I can't really find any specifics or technical details on the display so I can't confirm if it's truly a 10-bit panel but most likely not.
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Yes even in rumors Xperia X Premium has got a HDR screen but in 1080p. I tried different app to play 4K 10 bits, but apparently there's no way to make it works actually
Don't know if it's due to hardware or software, because I can't find technical details to know the minimum requierement to be able to play 4K 10 bits

Netflix HDR/5.1 update... Notice any difference?

My phone arrived in the mail the day the new patch came out and I immediately installed it, so I don't have experience using the app before the update. Outside of the occasional hard lockup and whole phone shutdown, things seem okay when playing HDR/5.1 content (you can search for "HDR" without quotes to see Netflix's current HDR offerings BTW). It's not as vibrant/saturated and blacks aren't as dark as my old Samsung Galaxy S6 Active, though that has an AMOLED display. The Razer Phone seems rather lifelike which I prefer. The sound when paired with the Atmos app is great, though I am not sure how beneficial piping 5.1 audio is i.e. whether it helps with the Atmos surround processing or is down converted to 2.0 prior to Atmos DSP. I also can't speak to the difference since the update, so I'm curious long-time Razer phone users... notice any difference?

Most of us are running carrier branded haven't got this update yet as razer have said mid to late February

TBH, I have the update and don't really see any difference. I tried playing non HDR and HDR content. Maybe it's just me and my old ass eyes.

Jonathan.Parker2005 said:
TBH, I have the update and don't really see any difference. I tried playing non HDR and HDR content. Maybe it's just me and my old ass eyes.
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Just to let people know Razer did state you need the Premium Top Teir Netflix package to watch this HDR content as the low teir and mid tear isnt good enough although the mid teir does say HD quailty and only on certain shows
https://press.razerzone.com/press-r...-premium-smartphone-entertainment-experience/
"Netflix members must be subscribed to the premium plan to watch in HDR, which includes titles like “Bright,” “Stranger Things 2” and the entire Marvel series."

I am on the 4K tier, so I'm fine. I see the shows marked HDR, for instance Marco Polo (my defacto quick link for testing 4k HDR TV's). Normally HDR (on TV's, so this may not be the case on the phone) maxes the back light and hijacks some other settings. I don't see that on this device. Like I said, it's hard to spot the difference if any.

The screen on the razer phone is still dim so don't know how well HDR will show it's vibrant colours. I'm just glad the bug with opening Netflix caused the phone to reboot I believe a Netflix update fixed that

So HDR on Netflix makes no difference?

960 fps and 4k 60 fps?

Just saw a video posted by "pocketnow" on LG G7 camera review. At 4:57 mark, he said there were new addition(960 fps slow mo, 4k 60fps) from OTA updates since his original phone review 2 months ago. Is it true cuz i cant find it on web.
Video link- Hmm, seems i need 10 posts. Better PM me if u cant find on YT, or just search on YT and you'll have it.

Saw the video and yeah I can confirm that the phone can shoot 4k at 60 fps with the new OTA update but I just tried recording a slow motion video and it's just at 240 fps and I can't seem to find the 960 fps option.

You mean the video of Jaime Rivera? He doesn't know what he is talking about, the g7 doesn't have 960fps at 720p, just tested and it's 240fps.

I don't even have the 4k 60fps option.
Sent from my LGE LM-G710 using XDA Labs

kiszidomi said:
I don't even have the 4k 60fps option.
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That's because your phone is not on the last Ota update

The reason that the phone can't shoot in 960fps is because there's no dedicated chip for it. For example Samsung uses dedicated fast storage chip to store the footage of the video and then transfer it to the main storage. LG doesn't have that chip plus the sensor only officially supports 240fps 720p but I noticed that it also supports 1080p 240fps .
Why we don't have that option is a mystery.

LameMonster82 said:
The reason that the phone can't shoot in 960fps is because there's no dedicated chip for it. For example Samsung uses dedicated fast storage chip to store the footage of the video and then transfer it to the main storage. LG doesn't have that chip plus the sensor only officially supports 240fps 720p but I noticed that it also supports 1080p 240fps .
Why we don't have that option is a mystery.
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Damn, so not even a software update can turn it on? That's sad.

Anyone else think that [email protected] is disappointing.. Lots of jello and inaccurate focusing. [email protected] send a more consistent option, tried to upload to you tube with 60 and it looked awful!

bootruss said:
Anyone else think that [email protected] is disappointing.. Lots of jello and inaccurate focusing. [email protected] send a more consistent option, tried to upload to you tube with 60 and it looked awful!
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Personally I prefer 4k 60fps. From what I recorded it seems stable and I have no problems with it.
Edit: here's a link of what the camera module is capable of: https://www.google.bg/url?sa=t&sour...FjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3vRFp9OMzb9J76fPbULXws

Netflix and Amazon Video in HD on Tab S4?

Can anyone with a Samsung Tab S4 tablet confirm if Netflix and Amazon Video stream and download in HD?
The best way to check
1) Netflix - play the video called Test Patterns. After a few seconds, what is the resolution displayed in yellow text at the top?
2) Amazon Video - goto Settings, Stream & Download, Download Quality - then look at best, how much data does it use for 1 hour of video?
0.46GB of data and storage implies Standard Definition,
something like 1.82GB implies it streams in High Definition.
any help with this will be most appreciated.
I want to get an Android tablet that does both in HD, i can't believe the ipad and fire tablets are the only tablets that do both.
I'm hoping the Samsung tab S4 is the only android tablet that does. if so, i will buy one, but i'm not risking purchasing one only to find it doesn't do both in HD.
Thanks,

I tried both on my Tab S4 and my Note 9. The Tab S4 shows 1820x720 on Netflix and 0.46 on Prime. On the Note 9 I get no resolution shown in Netflix and 0.46 in Prime Video. Netflix lists the Tab S4 as being able to stream in HD and with HDR.

nrage23 said:
I tried both on my Tab S4 and my Note 9. The Tab S4 shows 1820x720 on Netflix and 0.46 on Prime. On the Note 9 I get no resolution shown in Netflix and 0.46 in Prime Video.
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thanks for this.
so it streams at 720p on netflix, not 1080p, but decent enough.
really disappointed to hear it doesn't support HD amazon video though.
as an FYI, the reason why you get no resolution shown in Netflix on your Note 9, the video is probably cropped due to the screen ratio of the Note 9.
if you zoom out, it will show you the resolution, almost certainly also at 1820x720
thanks for your response though.
i might just concede defeat and get a Amazon Fire HD 10 tablet.

I haven't noticed Netflix not being HD to be honest.
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The main question is it hardware or have Netflix just not added support for our device yet
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According to android police Netflix added HD/HDR support for the tab S4 and note 9 beginning of August

Reuben_skelz92 said:
I haven't noticed Netflix not being HD to be honest.
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The main question is it hardware or have Netflix just not added support for our device yet
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According to android police Netflix added HD/HDR support for the tab S4 and note 9 beginning of August
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Netflix is hd on this tablet (capped at 720p).
Its amazon video that is still sd by the sounds of it.

samxool said:
Netflix is hd on this tablet (capped at 720p).
Its amazon video that is still sd by the sounds of it.
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If you go into Netflix settings and select high quality for downloaded an episode is 1.1gb

I get 1.82GB per hour of video downloaded on best with Prime on my Tab S4, but only after I've started streaming something.
Before that, it is 0.46GB per hour.
I think that when you first start the app, it hasn't determined its capabilities.
For example, I was streaming Preacher this evening and when I paused it showed it was playing in 1080p. Heading into the quality settings at this point showed 1.86GB of data per hour on both streaming and downloads. If I kill and restart Prime, it's back to 0.46GB.
Regards,
Dave

Thanks dave, that's really interesting to hear. I might have to purchase this tablet after all!!
Can anyone replicate downloads of 1.82gb per hour like dave stated above?
Thanks

My S9+ does exactly the same too.
0.46GB per hour until I start a stream and then I get much higher quality options.
Regards,
Dave

samxool said:
Thanks dave, that's really interesting to hear. I might have to purchase this tablet after all!!
Can anyone replicate downloads of 1.82gb per hour like dave stated above?
Thanks
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Confirmed. With Netflix though I'm not impressed at all. Properly HDR certified devices do display 1080p HDR, Tab S4 doesn't do 1080p nor HDR even though it shows HDR badge.

I've restored my Tab S 8.4 to original firmware and that thing is playing 1080p on Netflix yet Tab S4 only 720p. That is ridiculous.

Too51oll said:
I've restored my Tab S 8.4 to original firmware and that thing is playing 1080p on Netflix yet Tab S4 only 720p. That is ridiculous.
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I agree. My 10 inch samsung tablet s1 does 1080p netflix ,so does my Lenovo yoga tab plus. Both confirmed with test patterns. why should a new tablet costing three times as much be capped at 720p?
The hacked for 1080p netflix apps probably offer a workaround but that just reinforces the stupidity.
Could it be that it is a trade off for having hdr, though surely a good smart TV delivers netflix with hdr and full hd or even 4k.
I will stick with what I already have, and with watching Amazon video in browser apps on desktop setting for 1080p
For those who say they can't see the hd difference, grab a 1080p hd download of something that is alsoon netflix then compare that local file in Plex or mx player on your device with what you see in the netflix app. The improvement is very noticeable to me, especially on faces closeups

smarttiel said:
I agree. My 10 inch samsung tablet s1 does 1080p netflix ,so does my Lenovo yoga tab plus. Both confirmed with test patterns. why should a new tablet costing three times as much be capped at 720p?
The hacked for 1080p netflix apps probably offer a workaround but that just reinforces the stupidity.
Could it be that it is a trade off for having hdr, though surely a good smart TV delivers netflix with hdr and full hd or even 4k.
I will stick with what I already have, and with watching Amazon video in browser apps on desktop setting for 1080p
For those who say they can't see the hd difference, grab a 1080p hd download of something that is alsoon netflix then compare that local file in Plex or mx player on your device with what you see in the netflix app. The improvement is very noticeable to me, especially on faces closeups
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if this is true I hope they update the app soon.
is there a way to check if the HDR is actually working?
on Amazon prime is very clear, but not that clear on Netflix

smarttiel said:
I agree. My 10 inch samsung tablet s1 does 1080p netflix ,so does my Lenovo yoga tab plus
Fyi to all. The bit rate for netflix full hd 1080p, as shown on screen using the test pattern videos, is I think 5.1 GBits, so 1.89 for same quality from Amazon seems low. But when watching Amazon video in tablet browser, there is a 1080p icon that appears at bottom left next to hd once the stream has gotten up to speed
I am almost sure that netflix download for later best rate is 720p, even on a device that will stream netflix at 1080p. The file sizes are below 1gb per hour on best rate, so unless that have really smart compression you get better quality by streaming. That may be checkable by using the windows 10 app from the windows store. As that also does download for later, but the app may not respond to the hot key tricks that force a speed,quality overlay in the browser
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I did a comparison yesterday with maniac. I downloaded the first 2 chapters in 1080p from the scene and compared them with the stream (HDR and 720p?).
I checked many parts of these two chapters, including some walls with small text advertisements etc.
Not only i could not see the 1080p better...in all cases the stream looked better and a bit sharper...
So or the stream is actually 1080p no matter what the pattern test says, or the stream is really good....
Looking at shows like godless (A personal favorite) ... the quality is so high, it looks so good sharp and bright, that honestly...I very much doubt that could look better.
Anyway, my observations only

hardpike said:
I did a comparison yesterday with maniac. I downloaded the first 2 chapters in 1080p from the scene and compared them with the stream (HDR and 720p?).
I checked many parts of these two chapters, including some walls with small text advertisements etc.
Not only i could not see the 1080p better...in all cases the stream looked better and a bit sharper...
So or the stream is actually 1080p no matter what the pattern test says, or the stream is really good....
Looking at shows like godless (A personal favorite) ... the quality is so high, it looks so good sharp and bright, that honestly...I very much doubt that could look better.
Anyway, my observations only
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netflix are very very good at optimising quality within any given bit rate and resolution. But I have compared 2 netflix streams on 10 inch tablets, of the same source. One at 720p on a fire hd10, one we 108op on a Samsung Tab s1. In that test the 1080p was superior.
Netflix Vs a scene release has more variables. What file size were your test files and if you download same from netflix what size is that
I guessed my real gripe is why do content providers and tablet manufacturers seemingly conspire to deny us the best possible bit rates. I know from using the hacked for l1 widevine netflix app that all my tablets can deliver a 1080p netflix stream by just havinf an app change a flag to make tablets appear as whitelisted for full hd. And I know from in browser tests that I can stream Amazon at 1080p but the Amazon app says non Amazon android gets sd only. Unless it is a Samsung S3. And not an s1, s2 or s4.
Thus my personal holy grail of an android tablet that runs both at 1080p out of the box via official apps remains unfulfilled. I am told that iPads can do it, so want no android solutions ?

I get full 1080p and HDR in Amazon with my tab S4...

hardpike said:
I get full 1080p and HDR in Amazon with my tab S4...
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That is Good to know, but you only get 720 from the official netflix app ?

I have my doubts but it seems so. Even if in my tests so far iI couln't see a better feed. I have checked against my tv (1080p) y galaxy s6 edge plus (test pattern says 1080p) the download from netflix (720p judging by the size of the file)
The downloaded from netflix 720p files (about 700mb for 45 min) looks much worse then the stream.
I cant see so far anything better than the tab s4 feed.
But i keep checking...

hardpike said:
I have my doubts but it seems so. Even if in my tests so far iI couln't see a better feed. I have checked against my tv (1080p) y galaxy s6 edge plus (test pattern says 1080p) the download from netflix (720p judging by the size of the file)
The downloaded from netflix 720p files (about 700mb for 45 min) looks much worse then the stream.
I cant see so far anything better than the tab s4 feed.
But i keep checking...
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It would be interesting to know what performance you get from a tweaked netflix app on the s4. I am not sure what links etc we can post here but I found one via Google quite easily
a search for netflix 1080p apk should do the trick.
The theory is just for the app to report that the device is a whitelisted one for 1080...

Netflix in 4k HDR

Hi everyone,
I know that Netflix recently sent a list of all compatible phones to support 4k HDR and the Note 10 was listed.
What is weird is the Note 10+ wasn't specifically listed and at the moment no hd on my phone.
Actually looks really bad like when I was watching movies on my PSP back in the day.
YouTube in 4k is just gorgeous so not a problem with the screen.
Can someone confirm this is also the case with them ?
Does anyone have any tips for this ?
Thanks again
Obviously latest updates on phone and apps.

did you check usual troubleshooting?
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

Note 10 doesn't have a 4K screen. Only 2K.

raul6 said:
did you check usual troubleshooting?
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444
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Yes nothing much there unfortunately.
If I had to guess I would say that its maxed out at 720p where as my OnePlus 6t seems to be 1080p.
I know that Netflix is picky about which devices get "HD" content but if the Note 10 doesn't then that's just insane.
How's Netflix on yours ? Do you get the HDR pop-up at the beginning of a video?

No pop about hdr. I just assume it plays in HD when there is a mark on the content.

hotshot646 said:
Yes nothing much there unfortunately.
If I had to guess I would say that its maxed out at 720p where as my OnePlus 6t seems to be 1080p.
I know that Netflix is picky about which devices get "HD" content but if the Note 10 doesn't then that's just insane.
How's Netflix on yours ? Do you get the HDR pop-up at the beginning of a video?
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How could you tell Note 10+ is not supporting 1080p. I have HD in my movie title. HD can be 1080p.

Maximum resolution is Full HD which is 1080p.
So no issue to play 1080p in netflix.

kraz01 said:
Note 10 doesn't have a 4K screen. Only 2K.
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To clarify, the Note 10 PLUS has a 2K screen. The smaller Note 10 is just 1080p.

I don't know about 4K, but after the Netflix update of devices I can see the HDR tag on many of the movies and series.
This with Note10+...

I think that it is country depndent

lyzgaard said:
I don't know about 4K, but after the Netflix update of devices I can see the HDR tag on many of the movies and series.
This with Note10+...
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So you get a pop up when you play HDR content for example?
I only get that on my TV so I doubt it's country specific.
BTW I was saying note 10 but in reality I have a note 10+ with the 2k screen.

So you get a pop up when you play HDR content for example?
I only get that on my TV so I doubt it's country specific.
BTW I was saying note 10 but in reality I have a note 10+ with the 2k screen.[/QUOTE]
No popup but I can see if the series is in HDR on the autoplay trailer screen, same as on my television.
It's HDR, 4K or HD.
You only get the logo your device supports.
Like on this picture:
[https://images.app.goo.gl/n7k53sAiNvvqKoEJ6

hotshot646 said:
So you get a pop up when you play HDR content for example?
I only get that on my TV so I doubt it's country specific.
BTW I was saying note 10 but in reality I have a note 10+ with the 2k screen.
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As I posted the screenshot before, netflix supports HDR in note 10+.
Did you subscribe for the ultra hd monthly subscription plan? Hdr only available for that plan.
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https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939
Note 10 is listed as the device which support hdr

I have had the ultra HD plan since the beginning so yes that's not the problem.
On my TV I get a round pop-up when I play a hdr video saying " hdr video playing"
This is common on all 4k hdr sets !
Besides talking about hdr and 4k I really see the image as crappy (which isn't the case in YouTube)
Like I've mentioned I know that the note 10 has been certified but we are on a note 10 PLUS forum. There is a difference and if Netflix validated the note 10 and not note 10 plus then that could be the problem.
I'll send them a email and report back my findings

I just chatted with netflix help center, they say we could not watch titles in 4K because our device works for 2K, but 1080p HDRs are working flawlessly for me. Should work for everybody

hotshot646 said:
I have had the ultra HD plan since the beginning so yes that's not the problem.
On my TV I get a round pop-up when I play a hdr video saying " hdr video playing"
This is common on all 4k hdr sets !
Besides talking about hdr and 4k I really see the image as crappy (which isn't the case in YouTube)
Like I've mentioned I know that the note 10 has been certified but we are on a note 10 PLUS forum. There is a difference and if Netflix validated the note 10 and not note 10 plus then that could be the problem.
I'll send them a email and report back my findings
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No, that popup is not common, I have two different Samsung televisions, one Note 10 Plus , my girlfriend has a iPhone 11 Pro and a couple of weeks ago I had a Galaxy 10±.....
None of these devices had a popup saying HDR is playing.
They just play in the best resolution supported by Netflix and the device.

You should check the app setting. As it shows support for hdr.
And you need to make sure the video quality is high.
I don't have uhd plan so I can't test for it.

hotshot646 said:
Hi everyone,
I know that Netflix recently sent a list of all compatible phones to support 4k HDR and the Note 10 was listed.
What is weird is the Note 10+ wasn't specifically listed and at the moment no hd on my phone.
Actually looks really bad like when I was watching movies on my PSP back in the day.
YouTube in 4k is just gorgeous so not a problem with the screen.
Can someone confirm this is also the case with them ?
Does anyone have any tips for this ?
Thanks again
Obviously latest updates on phone and apps.
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Problem resolution. The Netflix App comes pre-installed on Note 10+. Uninstall updates, clear data and disable the App. Then go to the play store and activate the App and press Update. Ready. sorted out.
On my Note 10+ it worked!
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Note 10+ N975W

No N975W?