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[Q] upgradeability ,text sharpness and screen burn in?

hi,
as someone who wants to finally board the android train, and is particulary impressed by the note's concept, i was waiting for thw GN2 to be avilablele, but i have a few questions:
1. i intend to use my next device for approximately 2-3 years. i've read here about concerns regarding the GN2's "outdated" hardware. normally it wouldn't bother me, but it's my understanding that the A15 is a huge leap forward, and in light of HTC's announcement about updating only to 2012 devices, i wonder if the A15's could become the new standard and when key lime pie (or the next one) comes, it would be too demanding in samsung's eyes and it won't be officially supported. in addition, some devs. dropping development for exynous based phones combined with the fact that afaik, CM doesn't support the s-pen's features (which are a main part of why i chose this device) may leave it behind for me. is it reasonale to expect at least 2 years of support by samsung?
2. has anyone used the handwriting recognition to solve math problems (i.e. infinitisimal calculus)? does it work well?
3. how much time can i keep the screen on wih a still background before i risk screen burn in?
4. does the screen appear not so sharp while viewing text, due to the somewhat low pixel density?
5. i've read here a comment about the note 3 supposedly released on march 2013. is that a popular\ reasonable opinion?
thanks a lot for the patience reading this post, and in advance for your much needed help!!

Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
Not sure about burn in. But on HDAMOLED screens. I've heard upwards of 2 years on moderate usage.
The PPI thing is personal preference. I came from iPhone 4, and while the Note 2 PPI is lower. It does make up with its monster display.
Note 3 rumours need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I don't see it happening. Although anything can happen. There are credible reports of Apple releasing i5S as soon as feb or march.

I can only comment on text sharpness. And in my opinion it is perfectly fine. Words still look great when zoomed in etc. All the round letters look round abd not jagged
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AjunNg said:
Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
AjunNg said:
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
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i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?

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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?
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full version of android. seems like my old galaxy s2 will still receive full jelly bean even though it is 1 1/2 years old. Samsung is actually quite good with updates compared to other oems (except google and apple of course)
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.

lolmensch said:
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.
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thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..

a-a said:
thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..
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Seems to work just fine.
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thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?

a-a said:
thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?
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The search button (the one with the questionmark) takes you to the solution at wolfram alpha.

hey there

how is the camera on this phone after the kitkat update

lg-sony-htc-samsung-apple said:
how is the camera on this phone after the kitkat update
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Sh*tty

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Sh*tty
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Lol Blunt.

I installed the newer Motorola camera from my Droid Mini onto the M. Everything seems to work for the most part, except the screen gets jumpy and glitchy when scrolling the settings wheel. It takes photos much faster. It was taking several seconds to take a photo with the original camera, so the newer Moto camera is a huge improvement in that regard. I don't know if the image quality is any better or worse, looked kind of bad to me, but I thought the photos looked kind of bad with the original camera ever since KK anyway. Might just be because indoors and not enough light though.

hey i am thinking about getting this
megaghostgamer said:
Lol Blunt.
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Thank you for your reply can u please tell me ****tu in comparson to any other phone u used

thanks for thevdetailed response
GnatGoSplat said:
I installed the newer Motorola camera from my Droid Mini onto the M. Everything seems to work for the most part, except the screen gets jumpy and glitchy when scrolling the settings wheel. It takes photos much faster. It was taking several seconds to take a photo with the original camera, so the newer Moto camera is a huge improvement in that regard. I don't know if the image quality is any better or worse, looked kind of bad to me, but I thought the photos looked kind of bad with the original camera ever since KK anyway. Might just be because indoors and not enough light though.
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Can u tell me how it compares to any other phone u used if any

lg-sony-htc-samsung-apple said:
Can u tell me how it compares to any other phone u used if any
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The Razr M's camera/sensor is terrible. My pictures come out foggy, grainy, and ever since KitKat...pinkish. Using Moto's new camera or Google's camera, my pictures don't come out with the pinkish hue, but there still terrible. My Galaxy Nexus takes better photos, and that camera sucks... bad.

Not as good as my iPhone 4S or Droid Mini. I just took a few indoor pics and they look out-of-focus and grainy. I don't know if they would look better with the stock camera since the new Moto camera replaces the stock camera app so I can't try both easily. Stock camera was just too damn slow to be useful. Moment is gone before it takes the pic. I feel like once upon a Jellybean, the phone used to take decent pics, and stock camera wasn't nearly as slow. I have a few pics that came out pretty decent that I was sure were taken on the M long ago, on JB. Granted, they were all outdoor pics.
I think even on KK, the pics it takes might be better than the Kyocera Hydro Elite I had (surprisingly bad for 8MP) and way better pics than the LG Lucid 2 which had the worst 5MP camera considering its speed/performance level was close to the RAZR M. Usually you only see cameras as bad as the Lucid 2's on cheap plastic single-core prepaid phones that come in blister packs.

thank u all very much i pressed it
Well after bith of your opinions and the revuews i read i think i will be looking else were for a phone fot work i need a cheap phone with a decent camera oh well thinking aout a used s3 or a used 4s thanks again guys if i could just strech for a used droid dna hope to see you all in anither forum

Hmmm, well, I guess the pics are not TOO awful.
Took a couple pics of my car with the newer Moto camera (don't make fun, it's an antique, lol). One in the morning, one in the afternoon. I think old camera probably took better pics, but was unbearably slow and the newer one takes pics instantly. I had HDR and spot focus turned off.
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I've seen better, but I've also seen much worse.

Which moto camera do you have ATTACK? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380199 or one different... Really looking to replace the stock one
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ezknives said:
Which moto camera do you have ATTACK? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380199 or one different... Really looking to replace the stock one
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I pulled it from a Moto X system dump. This isn't the latest version, but it works well. The latest version is very glitchy on our phone.
MOTO CAMERA & GALLERY
AOSP CAMERA ONLY
NEXUS 5 CAMERA & GALLERY

Nexus 5X Rear Camera Black Dot Problem

Hi,
I bought my Nexus 5X in December, and i was using it with the stock software from Google (locked BL, unmodified, unrooted)(6.0.1 MMP29Q) because i didn't have USB C-A cable and everything was fine.
2 Days ago, i got the cable, and i unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device, and flashed a custom rom (namely Cataclysm)(6.0.1 MMP29P), and everything was still fine, but today, i was shooting some pictures with the camera, and i noticed a black dot in the view, i thought it's dust on the lens, and i tried wiping the lens (from the outside) but it didn't work.
I did some research on the issue, and i found out that many Nexus device users have faced the same problem with previous devices (Nexus 4, Nexus 5), and most feedback says that the problem appeared after updating the camera app, or updating the android version, but there's no actual solution to the issue, since most of the users chose to get a replacement phone.
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I posted the images in full size to notice that the dot isn't completely black, it's kinda transparent, on the blue wall, you notice that you can still see the pattern of the paint through the dot.
Things i tried
Wiping the lens from the outside
Uninstalling the camera app updates
Changing the resolution of the camera
Installing another camera app (Open Camera)
Unrooting/Flashing Stock Factory Image
Also, when i zoom in the dot goes out of the screen, it moves with the zoom.
Anyone has any idea what could be done apart from sending the phone back to the retailer? because my phone will have to cross countries to get there and come back :|

Probably there is something that stick to the inner sideof lens?

rbt2008 said:
Probably there is something that stick to the inner sideof lens?
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But the phone wasn't opened, and it wasn't there before, where could it come from?

Mar.Stein said:
But the phone wasn't opened, and it wasn't there before, where could it come from?
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Could be a defect in production. Contact Google about an exchange.

Illogi.xbone said:
Could be a defect in production. Contact Google about an exchange.
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Thanks mate, but i'm keeping that as a last resort (as mentioned in the post, the phone will have to cross countries to be replaced, and that will take a lot of time).
I still have hope in finding a solution, or for a miracle to happen and the dot to disappear suddenly just like it appeared.
and i still have till next December for the warranty to end, so i'll hope a little longer for now

Mar.Stein said:
Thanks mate, but i'm keeping that as a last resort (as mentioned in the post, the phone will have to cross countries to be replaced, and that will take a lot of time).
I still have hope in finding a solution, or for a miracle to happen and the dot to disappear suddenly just like it appeared.
and i still have till next December for the warranty to end, so i'll hope a little longer for now
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If all else fails you could try to find just the camera flex cable, probably has more attached to it, and either replace it yourself or have someone do that for ya. They aren't too hard to replace but haven't opened this phone up yet.

I had the same thing happen to my N4. Although I couldn't see it, there was some kind of speck on the camera lens. I never did anything about it because it was outside of warranty, and I didn't want to open the phone up.
I returned my first 5x for the same reason, although I couldn't see it on the picture yet. This time, I could physically see the speck of dust just outside of the range of the lens. I didn't want to risk it migrating into view just after the warranty expires.
Most likely, it's coincidence that it happened at the time that you flashed a ROM. If you want to be 100% sure, go back to stock to see if it's still there. The issue that you were referring to that happened to others was more of a black bar, which happened to my N4 if I used the most updated camera app.

A little shocked / concerned about some performance issues

A little disclaimer: I'm not entirely sure this is the right place for the post, if it's not any mod feel free to move it I found a bunch of similar posts under this section after a quick search so I decided to post it here; once that said let's move on. After some months of using the HTC 10 and after months of not having any accidents, I finally decided to send it to SAT to fix some scratches the phone has on the back and some light bleeding on the left side of the panel after a drop. Knowing the process could take weeks, I decided to buy a spare phone and I bought a Galaxy S6 which I got for just $275. I've passed the following days synching, installing apps and using the phone while I was ready to send my HTC 10 and in the process I've noticed something I hadn't and I probably wouldn't until you use two phones side by side: the HTC 10 has some is underperformed in most of tasks where in the past it used to excel for its optimization.
First I noticed something as simple as facebook app was a ton smoother on the Galaxy S6 than on the HTC 10, running both the exact same version (103.0.0.20.72) not talking about things opening fast which is not the case most of the time, but losing a lot of frames while doing actions like opening reactions panel which sometimes stutters and looks like "in slow motion" on the 10 at the point I need to close the app from RAM here and there to keep it smooth which is not the case on the Galaxy S6 and other stuff like reactions flickering while playing gifs or videos and not happening again on the S6.
At first I just thought "meh facebook it's a poorly optimized app so must be the isolated case" but then I noticed a HUGE difference in graphics performance as well, when I thought the Adreno 530 was better overall compared to the Mali on the Galaxy S6. These are both screenshots taken on the HTC 10 and the Galaxy S6 running Need for Speed: No Limits on the same car and similar race conditions. This is the HTC 10 ss:
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And this is the Galaxy S6 counterpart:
There's a loss in definition for both while looking at the screenshots on bigger displays of course, it was less notorious on the devices screen but it was there and still was obvious. Just look at the lines on the back cover of the car. Then I thought it was some specific random failure on the renders, but the same happens over and over, look at this pic of the LaFerrari on the start line, HTC 10:
Now the Galaxy S6 screenshot, same race, same car, same weather condition:
There's a lot of differences: the brake lines, the car's plate, the wheels, the car hoops...
Honestly I didn't even know where to start looking for answers, so here we go: is there any limitation on the graphics card on the HTC 10 stock firmware making it look that inferior? Do I need another factory reset (I've had to a couple times after weekly security patch updates so far), is this improved with custom ROMs? Is my device faulty? I don't know how to feel about this right now, I guess I'm just shocked. Just in case I disabled the screen lowering resolution on the HTC 10 and did reset the device and wait for it to completely cool down before running the game and taking the screenshots
Thanks for your time and any advice you can give to the subject

I would definitely start with a fresh, clean wipe/install (RUU if you can) to compare apples-to-apples.

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I would definitely start with a fresh, clean wipe/install (RUU if you can) to compare apples-to-apples.
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I guess you're right, I need to backup all of my content anyway to send the phone to SAT, I'll check again later on

It looks to me like the game is still running in a lower resolution, based on that screenshot quality. Did you double check afterwards to see if its still disabled in the HTC Boost app? Sometimes things get re-enabled for me when they update.
As far as speed, I came from an S7 Edge and a Note 7. The HTC has way less judder and frame drops in day to day use, especially in Facebook. If yours is doing that I think there may be something wrong. I'd do a factory reset.

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It looks to me like the game is still running in a lower resolution, based on that screenshot quality. Did you double check afterwards to see if its still disabled in the HTC Boost app? Sometimes things get re-enabled for me when they update.
As far as speed, I came from an S7 Edge and a Note 7. The HTC has way less judder and frame drops in day to day use, especially in Facebook. If yours is doing that I think there may be something wrong. I'd do a factory reset.
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Same here. I mainly use the oblong S7 as a paper weight now. I keep a Note 7 handy in case I run out of matches and need to start a fire.

kwolf said:
It looks to me like the game is still running in a lower resolution, based on that screenshot quality. Did you double check afterwards to see if its still disabled in the HTC Boost app? Sometimes things get re-enabled for me when they update.
As far as speed, I came from an S7 Edge and a Note 7. The HTC has way less judder and frame drops in day to day use, especially in Facebook. If yours is doing that I think there may be something wrong. I'd do a factory reset.
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Same here. I mainly use the oblong S7 as a paper weight now. I keep a Note 7 handy in case I run out of matches and need to start a fire.
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I double and triple checked, the boost app has the check disabled for the game. I guess I'll backup my data, do a factory reset and see what happens after that, I'll be reporting back

well back again, surely took my sweet time long story short? Poor optimization for the phone. The S6 just had a fresh reinstall but after a month of use it began to present the same frame drops on facebook then the 10 had, it's just a facebook app thing. The graphics on the other side didn't improve even after a factory reset on the HTC 10 and the android N update. This is a sample recorded with the same app, same settings on both phones, make sure to load at 720p or 1080p in theater mode to spot the differences easier.
Galaxy S6:
HTC 10 Sample, same race
As you can see, the graphics on the HTC 10 are lower quality, more pixelaton, less details on the ground and surroundings, and so on. So considering hardware wise I don't think Adreno 530 is inferior to Mali T760MP8 I took my sweet time looking for an answer. Looks like the game it's extremely poorly optimized for the HTC 10, but there's a way to mod the game graphics on your own even without root. So after some research and modding the graphics on my own, this is the same race, with the same recording app, same settings, on the HTC 10:
As you can see differences are night and day in terms of texture quality and pixelation. It's just sad some games are that poorly optimized for the HTC 10
Edit: sorry for the bad driving skills, I was more focused on looking at the differences on the graphics than the race itself

Meiigoo S8 6.1'' 18:9 full display dual-sided 3D | 4+64GB | 13+5MP Dual | Android 7.1

The Meiigoo S8 has now been announced and along with that introduction comes confirmation of the full specs on offer with this smartphone. What is likely to be one of the main points to note is that this is a device that follows in the footsteps of a number of high profile 2017 smartphones by utilizing an 18:9 aspect ratio. The inclusion of this edge-to-edge design allows the Meiigoo S8 to make use of a smaller physical footprint compared to what would be encountered with a device adopting a more traditional bezel level. As a result, the Meiigoo S8 features a larger than usual 6.1-inch display, but within the body of a smartphone more often associated with a smaller display. A design aspect which not only looks to add a premium touch to this smartphone, but one which is also designed to offer a more comfortable holding experience.
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I'm not seing much Meiigoo on XDA and wonder if this phone will get rooted. It would be nice to have a "utility phone" to play with. Assume it will be pretty bare bones Nougat (but at least 7.1)

I doubt XDA will have any development, i just got the phone yesterday and an testing it out.

Can't compare it to other phones, since I don't have any, but mine is behaving surprisingly well. It's my secondary phone, so obviously it's not under a lot of stress, but I can honestly say I notice no bugs or problems some YouTubers are having. In fact I am quite happy with it. I only wish the camera was better, but for such a low price the phone is a steal. I'd love to see some cusom ROMs developed for it.

Who knows how to upgrade from Android 7.0 to Android 7.1? In menu: "settings -> about phone -> phone status -> Wireless update" it says that my device's software is up to date...
The photo of Meiigoo S8 in first post is not realistic. The display is not borderless. In attach the real one.

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I doubt XDA will have any development, i just got the phone yesterday and an testing it out.
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Hi I bought one of these phones but the charging port overheated and melted 2 charging leads. I cannot get parts anywhere, does anyone have any ideas where I might get a replacement board ?

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Hi I bought one of these phones but the charging port overheated and melted 2 charging leads. I cannot get parts anywhere, does anyone have any ideas where I might get a replacement board ?
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I'd say contact Meiigoo directly.

please.anyone.
we need a root for this phone.
to many problems with ads and the default launcher.
please please

Delete the systemapps !
DjPsycho said:
please.anyone.
we need a root for this phone.
to many problems with ads and the default launcher.
please please
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If you want to get rid of this let me know.... I know how to make it useable…
You can delete the systemapps with a Tool.
Even you can delete the launcher and use one of your choice.

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If you want to get rid of this let me know.... I know how to make it useable…
You can delete the systemapps with a Tool.
Even you can delete the launcher and use one of your choice.
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How?

Download this tool …
https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/?id=19002#downloads
it is for Huawei phones but works with all phones i tested even not Huawei.
Install it and turn USB Debugging on, on your phone.
Then go to modifications klick Show and then you can see all installed apps.
Delete the ones you do not Need. If you delete the launcher, you must install another one before, otherwise you Need to factory reset your phone.

NeoBrain said:
Download this tool …
https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/?id=19002#downloads
it is for Huawei phones but works with all phones i tested even not Huawei.
Install it and turn USB Debugging on, on your phone.
Then go to modifications klick Show and then you can see all installed apps.
Delete the ones you do not Need. If you delete the launcher, you must install another one before, otherwise you Need to factory reset your phone.
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The program tool is not working. It close by itself after see what is the phone connected.

I did it here with the meigoo S8 without any Problems. I tried it at home and there it doesn´t work ! Must be some Kind of Driver or missing .dll files or so.
Try another PC and look if this works then.

NeoBrain said:
I did it here with the meigoo S8 without any Problems. I tried it at home and there it doesn´t work ! Must be some Kind of Driver or missing .dll files or so.
Try another PC and look if this works then.
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I have tried it on 3 different PC (WD 10, WD 8.1, WD 7) . I suspect it for Huawei phone, cause every time it connected to phone then close the app by itself. But I can uninstall sys-apps by used adb shell command.

Hello,
Mobile data doesn't work on 3G and 4G (frequencies are ok).
I tried write on email ([email protected]) but is undelivered.
With hard reset nothing changed...
Does anyone have the stock rom?

NeoBrain said:
I did it here with the meigoo S8 without any Problems. I tried it at home and there it doesn´t work ! Must be some Kind of Driver or missing .dll files or so.
Try another PC and look if this works then.
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I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN SEND ME A LINK TO MEIIGOO S8 FIRMWARE, THANKS
KimLe said:
The program tool is not working. It close by itself after see what is the phone connected.
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CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE IT AGAIN