I'm curious, I fully understand that the Snapdragon variant isn't bootloader unlockable and therefore can't have root (other than the N9750 if I'm not mistaken), however the Exynos version can, does this in theory mean a custom kernel could provide a display mod?
I know there will be positives & negatives I'm not even necessarily saying I'd try it even it was a thing, I'm just wondering if it is something that's possible, the reason I ask is because I came across a article discussing a 84hz mod for the Xiaomi Mi 9 but I couldn't find any information on the display panel manufacturer, a few sources claimed it was Samsung before the device was released but after its release I can't seem to find any information on it.
If this has been discussed elsewhere then my apologies, I couldn't find where..
I'm fully aware that display mods can damage your device and even cause bootloops in some cases, again, I'm just curious.
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Hi All,
apologies in advance if I'm asking something obvious...
I haven't purchased the Defy yet as I'm checking if this would be suitable for my wife and I'm struggling to understand the differences with the only other Android device I already own, a Galaxy S.
What I don't understand is this "bootloader locked" concept: it seems to be agreement on the fact that unlocking it is not proving to be an easy feat but exactly how does this "lock" affect the upgradeability of the phone?
I see that there are already several firmwares available, an advanced recovery mode, an application to flash the firmware and few custom ROMs so what's the bootloader for?
I have already flashed a dozen of different ROMs (both official and custom) on my Galaxy and the only thing I need to worry there, is the ROM itself and eventually the kernel...
Thanks for shedding some light on this subject: this phone looks great, far better than the "little" HTC & Samsung
Locked means that no matter what you put on the phone, certain pieces of the firmware have to be signed by Motorola or it will not boot. This makes it incredibly difficult to create fully functional firmwares. For example on Nexus One, new kernels can be compiled from open source, to help enable certain new features in the OS. On a Motorola locked bootloader, you can't load those kernels or it won't boot.
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Thanks for the answer, cmstlist.
What about firmwares 2.21, 2.34 & 2.51 (just to mention the ones I see more in the threads here): are they not fully functional and/or bugged?
As this is going to be my wife's phone I don't plan to tinker much with it (unlike my Galaxy which I never let rest for more than few days ): to be honest Froyo (because of flash support) and the possibility to recover if things go wrong are the only things I'm after
The 2.21, 2.34 and 2.51 releases are fully functional and the latter two do lack much of the Blur features of the stock rom (which is appreciated by many users).
I run the 2.34 for a week now and didn't run into any problems, although there are some aspects of the phone I didn't use yet (e.g. bluetooth).
All of the above mentioned roms are 2.1 Eclair roms.
For the Fryo roms posted the picture is different. I didn't flash a 2.2 release yet, but from what you can read there are some issues. However, maybe someone running a Fryo Defy has more info on that.
Those ROM's are pretty much fully functional, but I guess you can hunt down a bug or two in just about any ROM, on any phone. The only one I've discovered so far (I'm on 2.34.1) is the inability to sync Facebook contacts with the phones contact book.
As you probably know, an official FroYo is on it's way, but there's no telling exactly when it'll be released, sometime during Q2.
I think it's a great phone, a huge bang for the bucks, as it's rugged, water resistant but still really light. And it does it's job, no lag, no freezes, good battery time. I'd recommend it to anyone.
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The fact that one Froyo build exists, means that devs have something to work around to make other Froyo ROMs. On the other hand, if devs were trying to port Gingerbread? This would be a huge problem, because no matter how many pieces of delicious crispy Gingerbread you stick into this ROM, the kernel is still soft-serve Froyo, and the results will be kind of mushy.
Hmm, I'm hungry now.
Thanks for all the input.
If I understood correctly, in spite of Motorola's bootloader lock, there is development and customization going around this phone and this doesn't prevent new firmwares being flashed.
As the specs look really great and many people on this forum seem to be extremely happy with it I think I'll get one for the missus and we'll soon try how rugged it is with two little devils always trying to get at papa & mama's toys (I had to build a force field around my Galaxy!)
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Thanks for all the input.
If I understood correctly, in spite of Motorola's bootloader lock, there is development and customization going around this phone and this doesn't prevent new firmwares being flashed.
As the specs look really great and many people on this forum seem to be extremely happy with it I think I'll get one for the missus and we'll soon try how rugged it is with two little devils always trying to get at papa & mama's toys (I had to build a force field around my Galaxy!)
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There is customization, but there just isn't the flexibility to craft entirely new firmwares. You can't simply compile a ROM from source and flash it to this phone... you have to take the compiled ROM, extract pieces of it, inject them into a stock ROM that the phone is signed to accept, pray that it all works, and then come up with dirty little hacks to get around the bits that fail.
But if you want your durable Android, the Defy is still the only game in town. So that's still the selling point. =)
and Motorola will never ever change their policy on locked bootloader.. am i right?
i pretty believe with all the hardwares they have, they can simply double the number of users if they have the same policy as other big name like HTC..
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and Motorola will never ever change their policy on locked bootloader.. am i right?
i pretty believe with all the hardwares they have, they can simply double the number of users if they have the same policy as other big name like HTC..
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New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
astrovale said:
New to this device and, for the 1st time I find myself in XDA with a forum with all the different Verizon, AT&T and so on version of my device (previously had only devices that would not show these options).
Now I know this question may sound sort of idiotic, but one has to learn somehow: All the different roms listed in the specific carriers areas would not work in the "standard" international version of this device?
I ask this because, compared to most other devices I see that the choice of roms is very, very limited. So i thought that, being able to choose also from the carrier-specific areas, one would have more choice.
Thanks
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I'm sure someone will be able to provide a more detailed and accurate explanation, but generally you don't want to flash anything not specifically made for your device. At the least you could have connectivity issues, at worst, a bootloop and/or brick depending on the situation.
There are some instances where flashing other variants software is OK, but its not the norm, and should not be assumed you can flash any, just because its OK to flash one.
Hopefully someone will jump in and point out which ones if any are OK for you to use.
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I should have probably added that the question is inherently stupid, because, if it were easy or even simply not "dangerous", the sections would not be separated! But it is always better to ask, even if sometimes you risk of appearing very stupid! Sometimes, by simply asking though I found out pretty surprising things
Thanks for lending a hand mate :good:
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I really wish the mods here would separate the exynos and snapdragon s10+ forums. The only thing these phones share is the name. The power plants are completely different. It's so confusing when people talk about root and updates and you have no clue what version of the phone the poster is talking about. Is there any crossover as far as development is concerned? Is there any reason to lump these phones together other than the name? I wouldn't go to a Charger hellcat thread for info on a 6 Cylinder Charger.
+1 for this
The S8 forums are separated, it's much easier to understand what applies to your phone and what doesn't.
I don't think the Snapdragon will have enough content to justify the different forum, they're mostly locked, if anything comes out for the Chinese ones they can just mention it in the title.
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I don't think the Snapdragon will have enough content to justify the different forum, they're mostly locked, if anything comes out for the Chinese ones they can just mention it in the title.
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If people would actually mention what version they had it would be easier. Most dont.
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I don't think the Snapdragon will have enough content to justify the different forum, they're mostly locked, if anything comes out for the Chinese ones they can just mention it in the title.
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That's how its always been though. No reason for XDA to change it up now and keep everything together with the vast differences each phone has.
Well other then latin american and HK variants all the snaps are locked so 95% of any talk of root, twrp, roms etc will be for exynos only.
I have never really had an issue with the 2 variants being in one area.
Now if all the snaps were unlocked then yes definitely would need separate forums because many people are too lazy to read and would then end up flashing the wrong things.
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Well other then latin american and HK variants all the snaps are locked so 95% of any talk of root, twrp, roms etc will be for exynos only.
I have never really had an issue with the 2 variants being in one area.
Now if all the snaps were unlocked then yes definitely would need separate forums because many people are too lazy to read and would then end up flashing the wrong things.
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My point is that the S8 Snapdragon is locked but has root. The methods to root between the US Snapdragon and other Snapdragon variants are completely different and may cause confusion, or worse - bricking a device.
I agree, users should read the guides thoroughly prior to attempting root but if all the mods had to do was create a US sub forum to prevent that, I think it would be worth it. They don't have to separate the carriers, but at least have one for the US only, since Qualcomm is vastly different.
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I don't think the Snapdragon will have enough content to justify the different forum, they're mostly locked, if anything comes out for the Chinese ones they can just mention it in the title.
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That may change soon. There is a guy busting his butt to unlock the SD Note 9. https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/how-to/n960u-u1-t3897797
This subject is already addressed to Admins. :good:
Hello as we all know rhe future of the galaxy note 4 depends on arm64 and unfortunately Samsung has decided to run the device in 32 bit only mode so can anybody pick this project up ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ers-only/wip-64bit-build-exynos-5433-t3090926
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Hello as we all know rhe future of the galaxy note 4 depends on arm64 and unfortunately Samsung has decided to run the device in 32 bit only mode so can anybody pick this project up ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ers-only/wip-64bit-build-exynos-5433-t3090926
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Apparently you're a junior around and don't know much about this 32/64 bit thingy.
The answer is no, no one is able to do anything about it, the 64 bit will never happen.
The kernel is 32 bit locked. Why? Ask Samsung.
And did you read and understand this sentence from AndreiLux ?
"You can't simply make a 64bit kernel because it won't work due to the hypervisor and AArch64-specific exception models. The whole lower level bootloaders need to be adapted, and that's not possible."
Another answer is - how on earth do you think is Samsung seeing the Note 4 from the ROI (return of investment) and sales and marketing poin of view?
When every manufacturer is consumption oriented?
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Apparently you're a junior around and don't know much about this 32/64 bit thingy.
The answer is no, no one is able to do anything about it, the 64 bit will never happen.
The kernel is 32 bit locked. Why? Ask Samsung.
And did you read and understand this sentence from AndreiLux ?
"You can't simply make a 64bit kernel because it won't work due to the hypervisor and AArch64-specific exception models. The whole lower level bootloaders need to be adapted, and that's not possible."
Another answer is - how on earth do you think is Samsung seeing the Note 4 from the ROI (return of investment) and sales and marketing poin of view?
When every manufacturer is consumption oriented?
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Hello yes I'm new and no I'm not saying Samsung should just go out and make a 64 bit kernel. I always thought that people make custom ROMs because they love their phone not for just a temporary solution before you get a new phone (I know ROMs like linage and RR are made for many devices not one). Thanks for the explanation.
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Hello yes I'm new and no I'm not saying Samsung should just go out and make a 64 bit kernel. I always thought that people make custom ROMs because they love their phone not for just a temporary solution before you get a new phone (I know ROMs like linage and RR are made for many devices not one). Thanks for the explanation.
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Well, most of the times people make custom ROMs out of passion and a thrilling sensation of sharing knowledge. Most users of these custom ROMs are the beneficiaries of a temporary solution before getting a new phone. Some love their phone which is still good and has features which newer phones don't have. And other reasons. We shouldn't generalize.
Somehow this activity became less and less possible. Locked bootloaders are the more popular. Consumerism is the daily driver and this affects the existence of custom ROMs.
It's sad to see android devices of 1-2000$ getting only 2 major updates. And then you need to invest again in a new device.
Why on the forum for other phones we have a division into categories. Why in the OP9Pro section everything is in one thread. Is there any chance that there will be more custom roms for op9pro? I currently have op6 and 7t pro, and the sections for them are much more extensive. What it depends on?
It will be because the phone is probably not very common among developers.
Do you think that nothing will change in this matter?
I just want to get the latest updates on my le2127 but each guide is confusing, i found one for keeping the modem but the steps seem confusing.
I'm waiting for my oneplus, I thought it would develop more with time and there will be a lot to choose from. Unfortunately, I don't like the color os.