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Just Bought a Verizon Note 4 ... Did I Make a Terrible Mistake?

I already have a Note 3 but would love to try a Gear VR. Finally found an okay price for a Note 4 on craigslist today and was excited to give it a go. I'm on tmobile but my verizon Note 3 functions just fine so I thought I'd "upgrade."
So far ... I kind of hate it.
The fact that this phone can't be rooted (because of Verizon?) wouldn't be quite so depressing if it weren't for the hideous pastel colors staring me in the face every time I pull down the tool bar or open a menu ... Yes I've installed a custom launcher but it doesn't change the 80's era color scheme ... This is 2015. I can't choose the background color on my own damn phone? Really?
I had my Note 3 setup the way I wanted it to look with a rom that gave me a lot of options, and going from having control over aesthetics to having basically no control over them is a shock. Like moving from a house you own and can paint any color you want to an awful pastel apartment that you can't paint because the landlord won't let you.
The lockscreen. I liked the option on my Note 3 to pick the effect when unlocking my phone. The rippling water effect was my favorite. Now I have ... no such option? The choice to change it seems to be grayed out?
The heat. Running low graphic Cardboard apps and the back of this phone seems to be getting awfully warm awfully fast. Haven't tried anything really intensive yet but I'm already worried about heat.
Speed. Not notably faster (no pun intended) than my customized Note 3. Apps that were slow on the 3 ... are still slow on this phone. Menus seem to open at about the same speed or possibly even slower.
Pixel density. I thought having a higher resolution screen would mean less visible picture structure ... Not really seeing it. I can look at my two phones side by side and unless I zoom in, there is not that much visible difference in image quality, except ...
The one good thing:
The camera. Took a couple of photos and am really impressed by the amount of detail that shows up. Definitely a big leap over the camera in my Note 3 ...
But ... I'm thinking maybe I should sell this to someone else on craigslist and go back to my Note 3.
Anyone else have a similar reaction? Am I missing something here?

Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.

ssb13 said:
Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.
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Actually the Note 4 on Sprint and T-Mobile are both rootable. Verizon and AT&T are the a**holes here. Actually @Haints you just made the same mistake most other people did. You didn't do the research before you spent your money. Because I've been practically living in this forum for 4 years I've seen the day when Verizon would lock a phone down to where nobody would be able to root it coming. I bought a Note 4 Developer Edition.

What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
Thanks to you both for responding!

Haints said:
What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
Thanks to you both for responding!
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You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.

stueycaster said:
You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.
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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.

I preordered the retail version at upgrade price ($300) and sold it a month later for $590 after giving up on waiting for root. Then paid an extra $110 for the developer edition. So I paid for a developer edition for $410 instead of $700. I wish I thought about this once I got the phone to sell it for more but overall I still came out on top. The DE Note 4 is the best phone out right now on Verizon. Nothing compares, yet. And I still have unlimited data but I hear they are changing the price to $50 a month for people who are grandfathered in D:

rarenight said:
I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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I'm sure there will be more like you.
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Thanks for the correction. I wasn't totally sure.
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rarenight said:
I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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Unfortunately, VZW doesn't care. People who root their devices make up a small percentage of their customers. VZW is more concerned about promoting safety and security.

I was an iPhone user up to the release of iPhone 6. Decided to get Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (verizon) because of easy access to change battery. (As each new iPhone model made seems to make it more difficult.) I've had the Note for over a year. I keep telling myself that I'll get used to it. I haven't yet. I hate it! I fight with it every time I want to do a simple task. On top of how confusing it is to use compared to iPhone. Battery drains fast. Screen turns on randomly. And now any app I try to install from google play AND amazon app, it just hangs saying, "installing.........."-google play. And "install pending........"-amazon. It's been like that for 48 hours now. WTH? I have 10 gigs free'd up. I restarted app, restarted phone tried searching Forums. YES, I hate this phone. And if Samsung drops support on this phone, I'm going to drop my support for Samsung products.

Yeah you screwed up just like the rest of us. I came from ATT, who are assholes by the way, and am pretty much gonna dump Verizon when my contract is up. I will buy my own phones from now on, no more carrier branded, locked out , **** phones like this one. The Note 4, when locked down, is actually a turd. its slow, it crashes and pretty much just all around sucks. Root would make this a great phone, but there will never be root until long after this phone is ancient and useless.

They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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stueycaster said:
They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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By that time the Note 4 will be an ancient turd. I liked my Note 2 waaaay better than this piece of garbage.

Done with the Turbo 2

Well, it was a nice device, in concept. But, after 5 replacements for various defects, I'm done. I ordered the Samsung S7. Never owned a Samsung before, but I have to assume the support is better than the new Lenovo owned Motorola. I've been a loyal Moto customer since the OG Droid in 2010. Plus, these phones are too big. I'm not a huge guy, so a screen that is hard to hold, and fit in my pocket is a non starter. Hopefully, the battery is decent on the S7, and the phone reception is good. Otherwise, I can live without some of the great Moto software features, as nifty as they are. Software isn't much use when the screen is defective, or people can't hear me talking.

I must admit when I saw the title, I thought you were gonna leave because of the lack of MM update. Sorry to hear you've had so many problems with this phone, I hope the S7 brings you good luck.

You will hate how locked down the s7 is. Should of went 6p. I sold my turbo 2 for a 6p and love it. I had 2 turbo 2's never had an issues but the battery life on my 6p is about the same and I get USB type c unlocked and a fingerprint reader so this is more of what I wanted.

Martingitdave said:
Well, it was a nice device, in concept. But, after 5 replacements for various defects, I'm done. I ordered the Samsung S7. [...]
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I had the S5 and I really miss it. I thought I would like the Turbo 2 but it hasn't lived up to any of the promises so far, except I haven't tested the toughness of the screen. My replacement Turbo 2 came in today and I'll get it setup tonight. If it fails me, I'll get the S7 Edge because of the larger battery than the regular S7.
I've only had this phone for 2 months and it's developed hardware problems. I never had a hardware problem with the S5, just some stupid lack of updates from Samsung AND Verizon. I was lured by Motorola's false advertising of 3 days of battery life. I can't get 1 day of battery life if I actually use the phone. If I leave it face down and don't touch it, I could probably get 3 days. Face up, the stupid motion sensor (that I haven't figured out how to turn off) wakes up the screen all the damn time. The battery lasts 1 day, less than a day or just over a day and a half in my experience over the last 2 months. A day and a half was with VERY minimal phone usage.
I wish you the best with the S7 and I hope it's far better than this POS.

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Face up, the stupid motion sensor (that I haven't figured out how to turn off) wakes up the screen all the damn time. T
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Start moto app, tap right top corner, actions, first option on the list...

I don't believe Verizon ever said 3 days of battery. What I saw was up to 48 hours with mixed usage.
I average almost 20 hours and 5.5 OST.
Much better than the M8 I had before it.
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Martingitdave said:
I'm not a huge guy.
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I guess the GF isn't too happy 'bout dat.......sorry, had to go there

xbxjunkie said:
I guess the GF isn't too happy 'bout dat.......sorry, had to go there
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Cute. How old are you? I'm a grown man with a family and a job.
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Martingitdave said:
Cute. How old are you? I'm a grown man with a family and a job.
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me too.....boss......relax

xbxjunkie said:
I guess the GF isn't too happy 'bout dat.......sorry, had to go there
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Sadly we don't have girls (or they're really rare) here to confirm the size really matters

The 6P is a huge phone and ugly as sin. Great for updates, but if you aren't a front speaker aficionado (which I'm not) then it is just ugly and wasted space.
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I've had my Verizon turbo 2 since about 2 weeks after release and have had 0 hardware problems and haven't replaced it once. You're either really clumsy or really unlucky. People don't know how to take care of their phone and I'm assuming you're one of those people, considering you've replaced it 5 times. As far as the battery life I'm a heavy user and push 24 hrs before I'm out of battery. Learn how to train it and uninstall stuff that eats up the battery. I see so many people leave like 100 different apps open in the task manager (the built in one of course) and it kills me. They wonder why their phone is so slow or why it's always dead so quick and their too ****ing lazy to click a button and kill tasks. Anyways I'm sure you don't have the ignorance of people like that otherwise you wouldn't be browsing and posting on XDA. The only reason I would see me moving on from this phone is for root and BL unlock. I love my Roms and kernels. When I was still in school I had a gs3 that I had a new ROM on every day I came to school lol. I miss that **** but I just don't wanna go back to Samsung's mediocre feeling phones, just not a trade-off I'm willing to make. But if that's what you want, all power to you man and gl.

Believe it or not, people have been unlucky and have had hardware issues (green line issues and power button issues to name a few), consider yourself lucky.

mjones73 said:
Believe it or not, people have been unlucky and have had hardware issues (green line issues and power button issues to name a few), consider yourself lucky.
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I can attest to this, my first turbo 2 had a green line the first time I turned the phone on 2 days after release, fortunately I hadn't walked out the door yet so they swapped it out immediately. as for the power button issue, surprisingly making a seal with your mouth and blowing hard seems to dislodge whatever dust might be getting stuck and fixes the issue (found this solution online, it has worked like a charm)

This is truly unbelievable, I paid off my DT2 600.00 that I got in October. Nothing wrong with it, excellent shape. I pre ordered the s7 edge and was going to trade it in and knock down the price a little on my new one. ISYN, they only offered me 36.53 for it! I thought was a mistake so I asked several times. Looks like I will keep this one as a backup.

They always say NOT to use task killers
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just for the recordd, i think the hardware issues probably have more to do with how verizon handles. stores and ships devices cuz its nvr seemed to matter what kind of phone ive had ive always had 3-6 warranty exchanges, and we all know those dnt come brand new in the box, usually actually someone elses defect return. there arnt 10000 dt2 out there that are defective, there are 1000 and vzw has sent them to 10 people each :/

Unfortunately, the only way to have a brand new phone is to be first in line opening morning release day. And even then, that you don't receive a phone that has already been tested/used by a Verizon employee and repackaged. Fortunately, knock on wood, I have my original purchased opening morning.
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I'm sorry to hear you're having issues with your phone sir. I've had nothing but awesomeness with mine. I will admit I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of dev support for the DT2. I would love to learn how to Dev for this, but I'm way too busy with life. I left Samsung bc I got tired of the VERY SLOW AND LAGGING OS. I would've gone the Nexus route, but I've really been impressed with Lenovarola lately. I know some of you aren't but I'm having good luck.
Anyway best of luck to you on your Samsung!

Okay, had the T2 since 3 days after launch. The Green Line appeared about two months ago, got a replacement. The mic would not work unless on speakerphone. Got a replacement and now the phone all too often heats up, and I get instant battery drain. When this happens, I lose about 30% of the charge in 20 minutes... Plus, little tiny scratches on the phone screen. I have never had a screen saver on any phone, and never had a problem...

Unblock phone

Hi guys, I one month ago I bought my google pixel XL from a cash converters seller on ebay UK used, I've been using it and today its been blocked. Obviously the previous owner has ran an insurance fraud scam saying that their phone has been stolen, getting a new phone and the money for selling the phone and thus leaving me with an unsable phone.
I just want to ask, does anyone know of the IMEI repair services? Can I fix the IMEI on my phone, get it removed from the blacklist. Is there any recourse for having my phone back working again?
Thanks in advance.
Please help, I just lost out on £450.

If you bought a stolen phone you can't do anything except contacting the seller and get your money back. If he don't want to do it, go to the police.

@usynn,
Contact eBay. They have a buyer protection plan that should refund at least part of your money.

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cam30era said:
@usynn,
Contact eBay. They have a buyer protection plan that should refund at least part of your money.
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the seller, cash converters its sort of a pawn shop, didn't sell me a stolen phone it was reported stolen after a while. anyway i received my refund upon return so no issues there. i've bought myself a brand new samsung galaxy s8 plus im happy with.

usynn said:
the seller, cash converters its sort of a pawn shop, didn't sell me a stolen phone it was reported stolen after a while. anyway i received my refund upon return so no issues there. i've bought myself a brand new samsung galaxy s8 plus im happy with.
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congrats on a happy ending! glad it worked out for you, how are you liking your s8+?

don't really like it tbh
fatapia said:
congrats on a happy ending! glad it worked out for you, how are you liking your s8+?
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after using the pixel XL. i hated it. now i sort of like it however i don't LOVE it. However i do know any non google branded phone will become slow, start to lag and stutter after about 6-9 months of use so I'm waiting for the pixel 2 to come out. but i heard that wont have many design changes? So the big big under the screen like the Pixel XL is here to stay?

usynn said:
after using the pixel XL. i hated it. now i sort of like it however i don't LOVE it. However i do know any non google branded phone will become slow, start to lag and stutter after about 6-9 months of use so I'm waiting for the pixel 2 to come out. but i heard that wont have many design changes? So the big big under the screen like the Pixel XL is here to stay?
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I never had a problem with any non Google phone that I've ever owned start to lag or stutter after 6-9 months of use but it probably depends on how you use it. If you run a custom Rom and clean flash instead of dirty it gives your phone a fresh start with every update. If you run stock you should use a good utility once in a while like SD Maid to clean out the junk files and cache that accumulates over time. If you still notice a problem just factory reset the phone. There's nothing magical about Google phones that makes them run better over time. If anything with their recent phones exactly the opposite is true--the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P didn't even work for much more than a year for many users before going into permanent bootloops. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Pixel XL ends up doing the same. At least Samsung phones (with the exception of the one that blew up) actually last until you get sick of them and are ready to upgrade. Google forces you to upgrade by selling phones that self destruct.

Do these Sammy people never give up?
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bobby janow said:
Do these Sammy people never give up?
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^^^ This

jhs39 said:
At least Samsung phones (with the exception of the one that blew up).....
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Thats a pretty big exception there. You can't ignore phones blowing up and a total worldwide recall just to make your point.

Pixel 2 XL or something else

So, it's about that time. I have a Nexus 6p, and it's dog slow, so I really need a new phone. I'm on VZW, and they're having a 50% off sale, so I'm pretty seriously considering the 2 XL. However, I've been hearing some not so great things about it, but also how if you get a good device, it's great.
So... Does anyone have any real world experience with it who can recommend it (or not)? And if not, is there another VZW phone you would recommend?
I'm not even necessarily going to be rooting this time around, so that's not a requirement, but having the option would be nice. Other than that, something with a similar screen size, I don't want to go back to a 5" device.
Thanks in advance guys, and happy Turkey day to my fellow Americans!

sfreemanoh said:
So, it's about that time. I have a Nexus 6p, and it's dog slow, so I really need a new phone. I'm on VZW, and they're having a 50% off sale, so I'm pretty seriously considering the 2 XL. However, I've been hearing some not so great things about it, but also how if you get a good device, it's great.
So... Does anyone have any real world experience with it who can recommend it (or not)? And if not, is there another VZW phone you would recommend?
I'm not even necessarily going to be rooting this time around, so that's not a requirement, but having the option would be nice. Other than that, something with a similar screen size, I don't want to go back to a 5" device.
Thanks in advance guys, and happy Turkey day to my fellow Americans!
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I'm on Verizon and feel it's the best android device experience yet. I'd say get one and test drive it to make sure that's what you want but you surely won't be disappointed especially if your 6p is dog slow, these things are lightning fast. Happy turkey day!

sfreemanoh said:
So, it's about that time. I have a Nexus 6p, and it's dog slow, so I really need a new phone. I'm on VZW, and they're having a 50% off sale, so I'm pretty seriously considering the 2 XL. However, I've been hearing some not so great things about it, but also how if you get a good device, it's great.
So... Does anyone have any real world experience with it who can recommend it (or not)? And if not, is there another VZW phone you would recommend?
I'm not even necessarily going to be rooting this time around, so that's not a requirement, but having the option would be nice. Other than that, something with a similar screen size, I don't want to go back to a 5" device.
Thanks in advance guys, and happy Turkey day to my fellow Americans!
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Get an original Pixel XL. If you don't you'll probably end up getting one a month down the road anyway after you return the 2XL. The issues are real. I sent mine back for a refund and keep returning here hoping to see the issues are fixed so I can reorder but it seems to only get worse. Reasons I sent mine back for refund:
Blue screen I could live with. I actually liked the sRGB display and use it on the Pixel XL. Blue screen + Bluetooth disconnections, missed touches/touchscreen responsiveness, terrible audio while recording, and random reboots were the deciding factors. Sure, Google says they'll fix it in an update.. but when? No thanks, I'll wait.
I'll be holding out for a Pixel 3 if they release one after this mess and I definitely won't be one of first to buy one this time. I also came from a 6P and am very happy with the Pixel XL. Since you're on Verizon like I am there is not much else to choose from.
Whatever you choose, DO NOT BUY FROM VZW. If you do you will kick yourself later because you bought a locked bootloader that will never be unlocked.

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Get an original Pixel XL. If you don't you'll probably end up getting one a month down the road anyway after you return the 2XL. The issues are real. I sent mine back for a refund and keep returning here hoping to see the issues are fixed so I can reorder but it seems to only get worse. Reasons I sent mine back for refund:
Blue screen I could live with. I actually liked the sRGB display and use it on the Pixel XL. Blue screen + Bluetooth disconnections, missed touches/touchscreen responsiveness, terrible audio while recording, and random reboots were the deciding factors. Sure, Google says they'll fix it in an update.. but when? No thanks, I'll wait.
I'll be holding out for a Pixel 3 if they release one after this mess and I definitely won't be one of first to buy one this time. I also came from a 6P and am very happy with the Pixel XL. Since you're on Verizon like I am there is not much else to choose from.
Whatever you choose, DO NOT BUY FROM VZW. If you do you will kick yourself later because you bought a locked bootloader that will never be unlocked.
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So, I actually ended up getting one on Black Friday, and the only issue I have with it is the missed touches. And yeah, that's HELLA annoying, and it happens all the time. But I listen to podcasts whenever I'm in my car, and I've had zero BT disconnects, and zero reboots. I don't do any audio recording though, so I can't comment on that. And about 2 weeks into it, I'm honestly not even missing root. I barely used it for the last 1-2 years on my Nexus 6P, and going from that to never using it on my 2 XL isn't much of a change.

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So, I actually ended up getting one on Black Friday, and the only issue I have with it is the missed touches. And yeah, that's HELLA annoying, and it happens all the time. But I listen to podcasts whenever I'm in my car, and I've had zero BT disconnects, and zero reboots. I don't do any audio recording though, so I can't comment on that. And about 2 weeks into it, I'm honestly not even missing root. I barely used it for the last 1-2 years on my Nexus 6P, and going from that to never using it on my 2 XL isn't much of a change.
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Are you on 8.0 or 8.1? I was having extreme reboots, but as soon as I reset factor and updated to 8.1 I haven't had any reboots or missed touches, and the recording quality is fixed in 8.1.

Question in regards to which pixel to buy

Due to my situation over the past few years I've been using the Samsung Galaxy Active line, S7 active now actually. So that really put a damper on my rooting and rom flashing which I had been a big part of since the Samsung Galaxy S, Captivate on AT&T. Anyway I'm in a position to be be able to switch to a Pixel in a month or so but I don't know if I should go for the 3xl or save some money and get the 2xl, which seems like it's still quite a solid device. My most important concern is still having plenty of development for the xl2 after the 3 has been out for a while. I'd like wireless charging but not a deal breaker and since I think the camera on my S7 active is adequate I'm sure the camera upgrade between the 2xl and 3xl wouldn't be huge to me. I would greatly appreciate any opinions.
Thanks

If you are running out of money i recommend you pixel 2 xl though pixel 3 xl is worth it ... At any rate you wont regret it both.

Go for the 3 XL, they improved so many things.
Especially the display.
If you don't have a previous pixel device, get the 3XL

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll be financing the phone through Google so the extra 10 bucks a month or so isn't that big of a deal. But getting the cheaper phone would make it easier to upgrade sooner if I could pay it off earlier. I really just want a phone that has a lot of development that I don't have to pay for in full because I don't have that ability. The only thing that's a slight disappointment on both is the battery size. My S7 active has a 4000 mah battery and it's generations behind. I know processors have gotten more efficient and such but still my S7 active is years old and still has one of the largest batteries in any phone.

pside15 said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll be financing the phone through Google so the extra 10 bucks a month or so isn't that big of a deal. But getting the cheaper phone would make it easier to upgrade sooner if I could pay it off earlier. I really just want a phone that has a lot of development that I don't have to pay for in full because I don't have that ability. The only thing that's a slight disappointment on both is the battery size. My S7 active has a 4000 mah battery and it's generations behind. I know processors have gotten more efficient and such but still my S7 active is years old and still has one of the largest batteries in any phone.
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You should buy a one plus 6t if you care about development.

AcidNoteZ said:
You should buy a one plus 6t if you care about development.
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Yeah, not really an option as my current situation makes where I would need to finance the phone, like through Google. I don't think that is an option with OnePlus. Would like to be wrong though.

I'm very happy with the 2XL, which will get much of the good stuff from the 3 over the coming weeks. If you can get it for a really good saving over the 3, that's the way to go. The 3 is an incremental upgrade.

bigbamboo5 said:
I'm very happy with the 2XL, which will get much of the good stuff from the 3 over the coming weeks. If you can get it for a really good saving over the 3, that's the way to go. The 3 is an incremental upgrade.
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Ill agree with this. I just bought a 2XL second hand and absolutely love the device! If you are financing it though and can afford it, may as well get the 3XL.

rodcpierce said:
Ill agree with this. I just bought a 2XL second hand and absolutely love the device! If you are financing it though and can afford it, may as well get the 3XL.
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That's kind of what I'm thinking. It's about $9 more a month to get the 3XL instead of the 2XL. I wish I could go compare the 2 phones side by side though. Every VZW store I've went to in my general area hasn't gotten their display Pixel 3s yet. They have to the phone to sell but none on display.
Thanks for all the replies guys.

Make sure you get the Google edition and NOT the verizon one if you want to get back to ROMing and Rooting. You cannot do these things if you get the vzw one, even if you get it from google.