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T889 Gaming Performance? Mine has noticeable lag

How is everyone's gaming performance on their T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2? Mine seems pretty low for some reason...
NFS Most Wanted seems to only run at about 20-30fps, Dead Trigger stutters often on high graphics, and the worst one Riptide GP performs much worse than on my Galaxy S3 (with Snapdragon S4)
Riptide GP works perfect on my Galaxy S3 at full resolution in the settings, no hitching and feels like 50-60fps. On my Note 2 it feels like 30 fps average (which feels horrible to me, I'm a 60fps+ only PC gamer) with drops to about 15fps happening often causing a ton of stutter. Even if I turn the resolution all the way down in the settings it still stutters, although not as much.
I was under the impression that the Exynos 4412 + Mali 400 was superior to my Galaxy S3's Snapdragon S4 and that gaming performance would be much better.
I am on stock rom and stock kernel, haven't messed with the phone at all yet. I've tried turning on and off all the power saving features and restarting the phone to see if maybe those were stuck on. Anyone else here able to play Riptide GP smoothly? I'm thinking maybe it's just a problem with cpu/gpu throttling, although I'm not sure why they would have it so bad on the stock rom.

lol how does that happen?? try a quadrant run to see the results
i get max fps on all games i play on it that includes NFS MW

i play everything on high / ultra and don't have framrate issues. deadtrigger deadzone etc, maybe something is running in the bg?

Yea very odd. I've had no lag in any game and I've tried all games on the highest settings. I've played all emulators as well including the PlayStation as well.
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I also came from an S3 from TMo, and Riptide GP when set to maximum graphics would noticeably stutter. The Note 2 however plays it buttery smooth at max settings. Maybe a factory reset is in order?

Make sure you don't have power saving on as well.
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Odd that you have that issue. Between Nova 3, Shadowgun, Worms, NFS Most Wanted, Asphalt 7, The Dark Knight Rises, and Dead Space I haven't had any stutters.
Might be what you have running in the background
noted for future reference on my Note 2

Like I said I have all the power save options off, I have tried closing all BG apps and tried clearing the RAM and restarting the device.
I just closed apps, cleared ram, and ran GLBenchmark on my Galaxy S3 (Snapdragon S4) and T889 (Exynos 4412) simultaneously.
About half the scenes were smoth on both devices, and half the scenes were very sluggish on the T889 while they were still fluid on the Galaxy S3.
The end result:
T889 GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16: 1950 frames.
Galaxy S3 GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16: 2348 frames
So my Snapdragon Galaxy S3 edged out my Note 2 by almost 20% but it seemed like even more of a difference watching visually, where the Note 2 lagged in some scenes while the S3 stayed smooth in those scenes. I'm not sure why my Galaxy S3 is so much smoother in games I have already tried a factory reset. Maybe I'll try to flash a new kernel and rom, I honestly think the stock rom chokes the GPU or CPU too much with throttling I'm guessing. I just don't know why no one else has this problem!
Just curious what do you guys get on the GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 on your T889's? I did "onscreen" for both devices. Do you notice that some of the scenes seem like they have a veryyy low framerate? (10-15fps while my S3 seemed like it was 20fps+)

maybe try installing a new rom, a fresh start see what happens because that is not normal

I ran the same benchmark on two note 2's and got roughly the same as yours.
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Some gpu's are better at some things than others. Run quadrant on both and see what the real time fps are. I know my s3 in quadrant during the dna test at the end would average 33 fps while the note 2 gets almost double that. Same with other parts of that test. Antutu most of the graphics tests are very close.

You should know that Exynos is particularly weak at drawing triangles compared to Adenos. Go take to look at Anandtech's review. I think Exynos 5 has a lot better triangle drawings compared to Exynos 4.
All GPUs have their own weak and strength points.

Compared to the Nexus 4 GLBenchmark I've seen, GN2's much worse. But mine ran Most Wanted without a problem. And since my Nexus4 is in limbo I can't really complain.

wngmv said:
Compared to the Nexus 4 GLBenchmark I've seen, GN2's much worse. But mine ran Most Wanted without a problem. And since my Nexus4 is in limbo I can't really complain.
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Nexus 4 is pretty much next generation hardware. The Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU are at the absolute top of the Android food chain right now.

boodies said:
maybe try installing a new rom, a fresh start see what happens because that is not normal
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This. Installed Jedi 4 rom with the Perseus kernel and it's muchhh better. Still not perfectly 60fps smooth, but it is a lot better.
I'm pretty sure my suspicious about throttling were right though, even on the Jedi 4 rom with the Pegasusq governor the throttling still seems a little too harsh. I opened up Riptide and then started System Tuner and reset the "Times" page. Then I played through a whole race with a little bit of slowdown (which is to be expected, but it is wayyyy better than before) then I went right back to system tuner and it shows that pretty much the whole race the CPU core clocks were at 500mhz, 600mhz, and a little bit at 700/800mhz. Literally didn't touch 900mhz - 1.6ghz at all the entire race.
Tried the performance governor where it stuck at 1.6ghz and the race was definitely 60fps through the whole thing, although I'm sure this really hammers the battery. I wish there was a happy medium, if the game is not running at 60fps I wish the governor would ramp up to more than 800mhz to try and reach that 60fps but I'm still happy I'm geting equal / better performance than my S3 now!
The same goes for Shadowgun Deadzone, plays pretty smooth with a little bit of slow down, but if I force the performance governor it's 100% smooth. We need a new gaming governor!

Try ondemand? Maybe thats is a happy medium.

initial_k said:
I was playing Granny Smith on my Note II and compare it side by side with an Iphone 5. The Note II was stutter, however you wouldn't notice it if it wasn't for the iphone 5 being very smooth.
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Thank you for your valuable opinion, this is just not a review section nor iPhone related.

stevessvt said:
Try ondemand? Maybe thats is a happy medium.
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Unfortunately there's only Pegasusq and performance on this rom, so I've been setting it to performance and 1ghz max freq when gaming, works great!

B.Jay said:
Thank you for your valuable opinion, this is just not a review section nor iPhone related.
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What,... I was on topic on why the Galaxy Note 2 has noticeable lag? I did a side to side comparison with my Galaxy Note 2 and it does not run as smoothly as the iphone 5. So obviously the GPU is not nearly as good as I would have hope for. Is the word Iphone not allowed around here?

No its not. Never say the iphone is better than anything. ...har har
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[Q] Question About Exynos Processor

Hello,
I recently got my Galaxy tab S 8.4 LTE with Exynos. However I have some questions. Sometimes i felt a little bit laggy. Is it normal? Also when I use CPU-Z i only see 4 cores instead of 8. -I am sure it is exynos version- Should not this device run all the cores simultaneously?
And i also would like to ask if there is a way to increase the devices overall performance.
Thanks.

jimmywentaway said:
Hello,
I recently got my Galaxy tab S 8.4 LTE with Exynos. However I have some questions. Sometimes i felt a little bit laggy. Is it normal? Also when I use CPU-Z i only see 4 cores instead of 8. -I am sure it is exynos version- Should not this device run all the cores simultaneously?
And i also would like to ask if there is a way to increase the devices overall performance.
Thanks.
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Touchwiz can be a little laggy. You can root your device and freeze or delete a lot of the bloatware. Mines very snappy. Don't experience any lag. I'm still running stock Touchwiz, I just froze all of the bloat which keeps it from starting or running in the background. Also you can flash a custom rom. There's some really good ones available at the moment. Blisspop makes a excellent rom. It would completely get rid of Touchwiz all together.
Exynos is a octacore. However in this tablet it only runs 4 cores at a time. The 1.3 ghz quad core processor runs when your not doing intensive things. So let's say like, browsing the web or watching youtube, checking your mail, etc etc. It uses those to save battery life. Now when more intensive tasks are going on it switches to the 1.9 ghz quad core processor. It's not a true octacore as it only runs 4 cores at a time. However I believe it was the note 3 that had this same processor and there was something called HMP. It allowed the processors to run all 8 cores at once. But us galaxy tab owners do not have that. I don't know if that's something that can be released for this tablet from Samsung. But as of now the device runs on 4 cores at a time and switches back and forth depending on the tasks that are being done.

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Interestingly, I haven't had any problems with "lag" with either the stock GUI or because of the background processes.
I must say that despite using the fancy shmancy octo-core battery saving wizardry, my Tab S falls flat on its face with regards to battery savings. In can probably play HD video for 10 hours straight on a full charge, but I don't know if the device could do 5 hours of web browsing if you visit truly bloated modern web sites, like the kinja blogs. I personally suspect that video and other multimedia are run in power saving mode on the slower cores, but web browsing probably calls for the faster cores in many cases. I am thinking it would be cool of there was a way to force everything to run on the slower cores all the time. When I am out in a library or coffee shop without a charging cable, I would have accepted a slower performance in exchange for a long battery life.

Understood. However i am not sure if things go like that. I mean I open CPU-Z and monitor cpu usage. It is not even stable it goes up to 1600 mhz sometimes even though i just monitor it. I wonder if there is a way to monitor my CPU usage with a background APP so i can see if it is overloaded even with simple tasks such as facebook.

Akopps said:
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Interestingly, I haven't had any problems with "lag" with either the stock GUI or because of the background processes.
I must say that despite using the fancy shmancy octo-core battery saving wizardry, my Tab S falls flat on its face with regards to battery savings. In can probably play HD video for 10 hours straight on a full charge, but I don't know if the device could do 5 hours of web browsing if you visit truly bloated modern web sites, like the kinja blogs. I personally suspect that video and other multimedia are run in power saving mode on the slower cores, but web browsing probably calls for the faster cores in many cases. I am thinking it would be cool of there was a way to force everything to run on the slower cores all the time. When I am out in a library or coffee shop without a charging cable, I would have accepted a slower performance in exchange for a long battery life.
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If you're rooted you can use an app such as setcpu to modify cpu settings.

If all it does is switch between 2 quad core chips that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard of. What's the point if it can just step the fast one down in frequency and voltage?

jawz101 said:
If all it does is switch between 2 quad core chips that has to be the dumbest thing I've heard of. What's the point if it can just step the fast one down in frequency and voltage?
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Supposedly more efficient with current technology at time of release.
The new 5433 (such as my Note Edge) has true HMP Octa-core processor. So SWEET

Seemingly random framerate drops

Hey!
So I've recently bought an S20 from T-Mobile. It's a Hungarian model (980F). I'm facing some weird behavior here.
The issue:
In every game I play, from simple 2D connect-three and idle games, to intense things like Asphalt 9, what happens is that for a random amount of time (i've seen everything from 1 second to 10 minutes) the framerate just tanks. And I'm not talking about the Exynos performance fiasco here. This happens regardless of how long I use the phone or how hot it gets.
Some concrete examples:
- So, the cold phone can achieve a relatively stable 60 fps in Asphalt 9. After prolonged gaming, when the phone reaches a temp equilibrium, framerates settle at around 45 fps. That's fine for me, not the topic of this thread. But, sometimes I play for hours, and I keep this steady 45-ish framerate, other times I just pick up the phone, completely cold, and the second I start up the game, even the menu lags, at precisely 20 fps (I measure this with PerfZ). After some time passes, everything is back to normal, 60 fps. Then, again, randomly 20, then back to 60 again.
- I play Adventure Communist a lot (a simple idle button clicker game, nothing graphically intensive) and well as you can imagine, it's fine at 60. But sometimes this game also drops to exactly 20 fps for some random time, then back to normal.
- Subway Surfers runs at 120 stable. This game does not drop to 20, it drops to more like 40ish something (I have not measured an exact number here, just going by feeling).
- As I've said, this all happens regardless of heat. What I've also found is that GPU usage drops down significantly when this happens, as if something artificially limited the game for the time being (like something put an FPS cap on it).
- Interestingly, some games are unaffacted: PUBG Mobile, for example, heats the phone up like hell. After a good 30-40 minutes the framerate drops to well below the cap, but I've never had the issue during any session. The phone just throttles normally, but that's it. Games originally limited to 30 fps also don't experience this (or at least I haven't noticed). Forza Street also stresses the hardware pretty well, that game also drops from 60 to 50 something fps, but never had this weird back and forth switch between 20 and 60 fps. Strange.
What I've tried:
- Changing brightness
- Changing volume
- Through game booster, changing the preferred performance levels
- Downloading game booster plus and messing with it
- Turning on high performance mode in device care
- Disabling adaptive battery, turning off battery optimizations
- Disabling everything network related
- Factory resetting
- I went to a Samsung store, told the technician everything, showed him a vid, he said they've never seen anything like this, if I wanted I could leave the phone there for a software checkup... well... I didn't
- there might have been more things i've tried i cant remember right now, i've tried a lot of things, believe me...
Online research results:
So obviously, where do people go with these problems, of course, Reddit. Now, I haven't found anything about this when I tried searching for gaming related issues, but I've found a thread where a dude complains about his Ultra scrolling at lowered framerates sometimes (which by the way also happens to me, I just chose to ignore it for some reason). In this thread, I've found another dude, who posted a video he made about games, with the exact same issue that I have! So at least 1 other guy has this in the world... And basically this is it. Haven't been able to find anything useful besides this, every other post is just about the Exynos chip being inferior and things like that. I have some videos of it, but my account is fresh so I can't post any links. Just google "S20 Ultra scroll stutter", and the first Reddit post with the same name is what I'm talking about. It's a short thread. You'll find the comment.
I'm pretty sure this is unrelated to the whole "Exynos is trash" topic, as it doesn't depend on temperatures. Also, the fact that this happens in a lot of games, but not in others leads me to believe there might be some system level/software issue here. Also, GPU usage drops when it happens (as I said, like something capped it), this suggests to me the same, some software-level limitation.
Has any of you heard of or encountered this before? Do you have any other ideas what might cause this, and how to fix it?
Thanks for your help.

Didnt experience any of these isuue tho... have you updated the game opt. Service via galaxy store?

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Didnt experience any of these isuue tho... have you updated the game opt. Service via galaxy store?
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Yes, everything is up to date.

Samsung ****ed every exynos user. It's simple as that. Also, no fix, EVER. If you can return it DO IT. No one is going to do anything about it. Everyday I see people starting threads on xda or reddit complaining but nothing is happening. We in Europe have laws that protect us against this kind of ****ery but again no one is ready to fight Samsung. If this continues 80% of forums post will end up like this one.

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Samsung ****ed every exynos user. It's simple as that. Also, no fix, EVER. If you can return it DO IT. No one is going to do anything about it. Everyday I see people starting threads on xda or reddit complaining but nothing is happening. We in Europe have laws that protect us against this kind of ****ery but again no one is ready to fight Samsung. If this continues 80% of forums post will end up like this one.
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My issue is not related to temperature and most of the problems that come with the Exynos chip are due to it running hotter and throttling. I don't think this is it.

I have the exact same issue you described with my S20. Searched but haven't found any solution either. Any information on this would be nice.

I do not own an S20 Exynos, I have the Snapdragon variant, but with my S10+ Exynos, I swear that after the Android 10 update I had started to experience the same issue. Even Clash Royale dropped for no reason to 20fps, not to mention Asphalt 9. It would sometimes go away after a reboot, other times not. Guess all you can do is wait for the Android 11 update, unless samsung issues some game optimizing service update that fixes this issue.

Question 9 Pro getting really hot?

I feel like the 888 chip might be pretty hot in this device. Samsung S21 Ultra got lower benchmark scores so they must have wisely reduced the turbo frequency of the 888 in that device to prevent overheating problems.
Recording of 1080p60 video for me stopped after 25 minutes due to heat, and while playing Genshin Impact the phone's screen got painfully hot. During setup the phone shut down wifi twice while transferring with OP Switch due to heat.
Seriously thinking of returning the phone at this point. Anyone else having these problems? Should I return? I don't trust that OnePlus is going to fix this with a software update, and my return window ends in 2 days...

For reference: My Pixel 3 XL idles at 25C and this OP9P idles at around 30C

From what I can tell, overheating happens when extended loads are placed on the X1, and as a result, it clocks max/close to max freqs for much longer than it was designed to sustain.
Instead, most of the load should be being ran on the 3 middle A78 cores, as they are plenty capable enough to run most intensive tasks anyways.
Updates, but more specifically: improvements to the cpu scheduler/logic I believe should remedy these issues

Reddit3321 said:
From what I can tell, overheating happens when extended loads are placed on the X1, and as a result, it clocks max/close to max freqs for much longer than it was designed to sustain.
Instead, most of the load should be being ran on the 3 middle A78 cores, as they are plenty capable enough to run most intensive tasks anyways.
Updates, but more specifically: improvements to the cpu scheduler/logic I believe should remedy these issues
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I wonder if one could potentially try to test a fix out using kernel modifications. I have EX Kernel Manager and have been tempted to mess around

There's an update coming out to fix the overheating :
[Update: v11.2.3.3] OnePlus says it's working on a fix for the OnePlus 9 Pro's overheating issues
Several OnePlus 9 Pro users have reported facing unusual overheating issues with the device. OnePlus is aware of the problem and is working on a fix.
www.xda-developers.com

djsubterrain said:
There's an update coming out to fix the overheating :
[Update: v11.2.3.3] OnePlus says it's working on a fix for the OnePlus 9 Pro's overheating issues
Several OnePlus 9 Pro users have reported facing unusual overheating issues with the device. OnePlus is aware of the problem and is working on a fix.
www.xda-developers.com
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When you're running v11.2.3.3, it already should be fixed. Luckely, I never had any overheating issue's, not even with the previous versions.

When I'm in my car during with the AC off andmessing around with the phone I'll get the temperature too high .message every time. Otherwise it definitely gets hot while playing games but doesn't bother me, as long as it still functions.

Update can't be soon enough...

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Update can't be soon enough...
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The update is released... At least in India and Europe.

I've noticed some overheating after installing 11.2.3.3 so YMMV.

From the article it says there will be a *second* OTA following 11.2.3.3 addressing battery/device temperature.

i have Chinese version of OP9 Pro running with ColorOS and honestly it's really Good and don't have any issues

Question Are u happy with your RM6 Pro?

Tomorow I am going to sell my Asus Rog5, so now I want to buy RM6 Pro ...So question is simple are you happy with you phone?
And pros and cons pls

Hello, I know am late on this but do not sell your ROG.. RM6 have lots of software issues. the most am suffering with is they limit it from using full performance! I can't see it using 840mhz on GPU for genshin or ANY game! my friend have ROG 5 and I can see his GPU on SD888 can use full performance. Nubia's software is really not good! I regret buying it.

Ammark93 said:
Hello, I know am late on this but do not sell your ROG.. RM6 have lots of software issues. the most am suffering with is they limit it from using full performance! I can't see it using 840mhz on GPU for genshin or ANY game! my friend have ROG 5 and I can see his GPU on SD888 can use full performance. Nubia's software is really not good! I regret buying it.
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While I agree with RM6's software issues, I'm not so sure about your statements on their GPU performance. I own a standard ROG Phone 5 and I can confirm that GPU speed runs at max speed for the first 5 minutes of playing Genshin, but quickly slows down as the device heats up. This is even with AeroActive Cooler 5 mounted and set to max fan speed. So it's important to also determine and compare sustained GPU performance, which I believe RM6 wins here.

Phone build is good. Spec and features are good but very lacking in the software department. Bugs and errors in lots of parts of the phone. Physically feels good but software feels bad. Runs games well

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While I agree with RM6's software issues, I'm not so sure about your statements on their GPU performance. I own a standard ROG Phone 5 and I can confirm that GPU speed runs at max speed for the first 5 minutes of playing Genshin, but quickly slows down as the device heats up. This is even with AeroActive Cooler 5 mounted and set to max fan speed. So it's important to also determine and compare sustained GPU performance, which I believe RM6 wins here.
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I never.. like never seen the GPU runs at 840mhz, only in antutu. for genshin I see it goes up to 600mhz something when I run the game while the phone is cool, then it drops right away to 540mhz. and keeps like that or lower. and no matter how much I cool it, it never goes above that. I used their new cooler.. and I put the device in front of AC that it got so cold. yet still never gone above 540mhz.. even the CPU stuck at 2.4.. how is this not an issue? I just want to use the full performance. I had RM5 G and I used the rom they provided here to boost the GPU to 940mhz, it was doing better than this one.. I'll never buy a phone from Nubia ever again. next time I'll just get the ROG.

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I never.. like never seen the GPU runs at 840mhz, only in antutu. for genshin I see it goes up to 600mhz something when I run the game while the phone is cool, then it drops right away to 540mhz. and keeps like that or lower. and no matter how much I cool it, it never goes above that. I used their new cooler.. and I put the device in front of AC that it got so cold. yet still never gone above 540mhz.. even the CPU stuck at 2.4.. how is this not an issue? I just want to use the full performance. I had RM5 G and I used the rom they provided here to boost the GPU to 940mhz, it was doing better than this one.. I'll never buy a phone from Nubia ever again. next time I'll just get the ROG.
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My GPU reaching at max frequency probably happened while I was sitting in the start screen or looking straight at the wall but now that I think about it it didn't really maintain for 5 minutes. The Adreno 660 is very power hungry and runs hot this time around for internal and external cooling to matter (hence RM6 has the edge). You can certainly use custom kernel to boost the GPU even higher but I'd worry about phones with limited cooling. Also I've yet to find ROG 5 custom kernel that boosts GPU frequency.
But really the SoC should improve on efficiency aspect as the ROG 3 did really well in peak and sustained performance. There's hope and excitement for the upcoming AMD GPU on mobile but I'm not sure if other vendors will adopt it besides Samsung.