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ok i knw that you can connect you phone to you computer and get internet acces on your computer and having you phone as the modem, and i knw that when you use it with the 20 dollar plan(data) you dont need to configure anything on your computer.
But for the 5.99 data plan you need to configure you connection settings>lan settings and add your proxy for the internet to work on you computer.
But what settings do i do to make limewire work, cause it works for the 20 dollar plan, and with out touching the settings, but with the 5.99 plan, what settings do i configure to make limewire work?
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ok i knw that you can connect you phone to you computer and get internet acces on your computer and having you phone as the modem, and i knw that when you use it with the 20 dollar plan(data) you dont need to configure anything on your computer.
But for the 5.99 data plan you need to configure you connection settings>lan settings and add your proxy for the internet to work on you computer.
But what settings do i do to make limewire work, cause it used to work when i had the 20 dollar plan, and with out touching the settings, now with the 5.99 plan, what settings do i configure to make limewire work?
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Have you tried the T-Mobile Wireless Configurations page?
kind of annoys me that people want everything and more...yet wont pay the extra 15 bucks...
Say What?
gixxum said:
kind of annoys me that people want everything and more...yet wont pay the extra 15 bucks...
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yep I pay for it because I think that I use enough data to pay for it.. If I was using limewire I would definitely pay for it. Tmobile knows that they let people use the proxy however if 100 people in each city were to all download on limewire say 2-3 hours daily, I believe tmobile would cap this in a heartbeat. Or at least talk to comcast and figure out how to throttle any torrent activity to almost 0, which to be honest on Edge is probably real close to what kind of speeds you are getting. How long does it take to download 35MB? Now think about how much data that is over the cell line(Edge). And if you are downloading movies or tv fuggeadabooutit!!! For $5 internet on your cell you should be aloud to browse, check your email, even download small programs but LIMEWIRE, that is flat out abusing the system. If tmobile shuts down the proxy I believe that you and people like you will be to blame. SO no I wont help you out with that even though I will tell you that it is absolutely possible to get this working. Quit slowing down my connection!!
I know how to make this work. However tvwgtiron has a very good point. Don't abuse the already SLOW connection TMobile gives us!!! Besides, I dont think Limewere supports https proxies anyway. All the configuration has to be on the computer, not on the phone, so the Tmobile configuration page is useless in this case.
ok i can see your point of view, but you have to understand, first of all, tmobile, att and so on restrict or limit how much bandwidth is distributed to each consumer, for example comcast, you purchase a plan with 2Mbps so the most you can use is 2Mbps, att and tmobile dont give a specific speed to everyone saying, this is the most we can let u use, no. they have in their system a limit, because they are a very big company with thousands of clients and knw that mostly everyone will be using their data services, but knw that they can if they wanted to, give you more faster speeds to download or surf the internet, but they dont do this, cause it will cause interuptions, so they limit how much bandwidth is distributed to every client. do you see what i am saying.
now if you dont want to help me thats fine, i respect your opinions, and i am not going to argue, the only reason i ask this is because, in the area where i live, is in the middle of nothing, dsl nor cable is available in my area, except for satellite, but thats way to expensive 60 bucks a month, compared to 5, thats a big difference, especially for the speeds being the same as dial up. ( i knw because i used to have it) and the closest city near by is about 30 miles, and guess where my dial up has to dial to, yup that city thats 30 miles away, so you can imagine the latency. its ridiculously slow. and the only way i connect to the internet is with my phone, thats the only thing i have that gives me decent speeds. thank you for your help either way.
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ok i can see your point of view, but you have to understand, first of all, tmobile, att and so on restrict or limit how much bandwidth is distributed to each consumer, for example comcast, you purchase a plan with 2Mbps so the most you can use is 2Mbps, att and tmobile dont give a specific speed to everyone saying, this is the most we can let u use, no. they have in their system a limit, because they are a very big company with thousands of clients and knw that mostly everyone will be using their data services, but knw that they can if they wanted to, give you more faster speeds to download or surf the internet, but they dont do this, cause it will cause interuptions, so they limit how much bandwidth is distributed to every client. do you see what i am saying.
now if you dont want to help me thats fine, i respect your opinions, and i am not going to argue, the only reason i ask this is because, in the area where i live, is in the middle of nothing, dsl nor cable is available in my area, except for satellite, but thats way to expensive 60 bucks a month, compared to 5, thats a big difference, especially for the speeds being the same as dial up. ( i knw because i used to have it) and the closest city near by is about 30 miles, and guess where my dial up has to dial to, yup that city thats 30 miles away, so you can imagine the latency. its ridiculously slow. and the only way i connect to the internet is with my phone, thats the only thing i have that gives me decent speeds. thank you for your help either way.
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So you are trying to tell us that adding another 9.00/month is not worth it??
Hell dude, 14.99 and you have the whole net. Cheaper then any other cable company out there, for decent speed, coming from a phone. lol
I agree with others, I think using the proxy is really considered theft of service.
The fact they have not acted on it yet, or may never pursue it, does not make it right to abuse.
I see nothing wrong with surfing and email myself, but if your going to try using a bandwidth hog such as Limewire to steal music, that hurts everyone in the long run... They will probably cap everyones internet, or raise prices, etc from all the people abusing the service.
You can give all the excuses you want, but manipulating your phone to take more than what you pay for is called stealing, and its not fair to those of us who actually pay for the real service.
you will pay for a cable modem if you had the chance at 50 or so a month but wont loosen the purse strings and pay 20 bux for the internet that you can get? that makes no sense to me in any way, plus, if my $20/month data plan goes up because you cheap idiots wanna run an entire network off a cell phone usuing proxy hacks...id be pissed. accept it for what its worth. you are lucky to get what you get for 5 bux...stop trying to not only abuse it but GROSSLY abuse it.
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you will pay for a cable modem if you had the chance at 50 or so a month but wont loosen the purse strings and pay 20 bux for the internet that you can get? that makes no sense to me in any way, plus, if my $20/month data plan goes up because you cheap idiots wanna run an entire network off a cell phone usuing proxy hacks...id be pissed. accept it for what its worth. you are lucky to get what you get for 5 bux...stop trying to not only abuse it but GROSSLY abuse it.
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Gixxum...it's 19.99 not even 20 lol
You were a penny off
hahah i will give him that penny!
why not pay the LESS than 20 bux...and plug the damn phone into your pc which by your admittance, has not internet access, and tether it? then use all the damn data you want and give us nothing to piss and moan about? til then, F**K YOU AND YOUR LIMEWIRE.
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carry on...nothing to see here.
LMAO
damnit mikey! i said NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
now go steal some internet and music....
I dont steal anything
thats against the law...and morally wrong. (i mean..only if you ask on a public forum)
should i start a thread entitled "I NEEDZ CRACKED SOFTWARE! GIVE TO ME NOW *****EZ!" or "So I need help setting up the proxy hack to run my own ISP. any advice?"
gixxum said:
hahah i will give him that penny!
why not pay the LESS than 20 bux...and plug the damn phone into your pc which by your admittance, has not internet access, and tether it? then use all the damn data you want and give us nothing to piss and moan about? til then, F**K YOU AND YOUR LIMEWIRE.
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carry on...nothing to see here.
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you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.
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you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.
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Roger that.
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can i ask a quick question? if you were able to get internet at your house, would you piss and moan like this on the ISP's forums about how their serive is too expensive as you go onto limewire to steal? just curious.
gixxum said:
can i ask a quick question? if you were able to get internet at your house, would you piss and moan like this on the ISP's forums about how their serive is too expensive as you go onto limewire to steal? just curious.
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i did, when i had direcway satelite, i was paying 59.99 for "broadband speeds" when in reality i wasnt geting the speeds advertised, but i dont use limewire frequently, i just use once in a while, and some say its stealing, some say its not. idk.
razo559 said:
you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.
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NO!!
I feel better...don't you gixx?
It looks like not every knows this.
In settings on connections on GPRS:
1- If you have the tzones Hack 5.99:
And you still using proxy hack try to change your acces point from " wap.voicesteam.com " to " epc.tmobile.com " you should get a better connection and better speed also get skyfire working !
PS: don't forget to delete your proxy and change from " connects to the wap network " to " connects to the internet "
If YOU have the new web2go 10.00:
1- Or you miss out on the tzones you will need to get the web2go T-mobile its not offering it anymore so if YOU have the 5.99 and remove it and then want it back you will have to pay 10.00 instead of the regular 5.99.
2- However t-mobile its doing IMEI checks on your phone if YOU have a pocket Pc or Smartphone the will deny the service and tell you to put the 20.00 EDGE internet (and thats not a hack) so get a friend that has a regular t-mobile phone and ask him to let you borrow his phone for a second call T-mobile ask for the web2go 10.00 they will tell you tzones 5.99 its not longe available and they will ask you for the brand of your phone (tell them the model of your friends phone NEVER TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR PHONE or they will cought you on the lie) they will also ask, I think its only the first 4 or 6 digits of the IMEI number give them your friends phone IMEI N#
3- once you have the web2go on your acct you just usually have to wait 2H. On your GPRS setting you should have " wap.voicesteam.com " and NOT! " epc.tmobile.com " as an acces point or else you will get a different page and not connect to the internet at all.
4- and most important (PS: don't forget your tricking t-mobile customer service in thinking you have a regular phone and NOT a PPC or a SP so its up to you if you want to lie and just DON'T blame it on ME! )
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Ok So I didn't found this anywhere else so I'm adding it to this old post.
1$ a day for unlimited TxT, IM, WEB and 00.15C a min.
1- Get a Prepayd sim card from T-mobile (yes on prepay)
2- activate your sim card and ask for the "sidekick plan" they might ask you for a sidekick IMEI number so find a friend or something!! (I got lucky and didn't got asked for one.)
3- Once activated, get into your "Connection Setting" and on "GPRS" find "T-mobile Data"
4- Edit the "Access point" from whatever you have (usually: wap.voicestream.com) to hiptop.t-mobile.com
ENJOY!!!! ^_^ ENJOY!!!!
PS: BTW regular Internet Explorer does not work for me but email and Skyfire does.
Known Access Points:
wap.voicestream.com
internet2.voicestream.com
internet3.voicestream.com
epc.tmobile.com
hiptop.t-mobile.com
Tzones Proxy:
216.155.165.50:8080
ENJOY!!!! ^_^ ENJOY!!!!
I used this epc.tmobile.com for a while. It's certainly better than the wap.voicestream.com. However, a month later I noticed an entry on my monthly bill, something like "Internet Data Usage xxMB". There's no extra charge. But I switched back to wap.voicestream.com just to be on the safe side.
With the new proxy I believe that they will be charging you, so its better to stay with wap if anything.
No! this already has been discussed before NO! extra charges with the new APN check post N#5 on this forums for more details http://www.modmyi.com/forums/t-mobile/400961-tmobile-bill-after-using-epc-tmobile-com.html
tuppaacc said:
No! this already has been discussed before NO! extra charges with the new APN check post N#5 on this forums for more details http://www.modmyi.com/forums/t-mobile/400961-tmobile-bill-after-using-epc-tmobile-com.html
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Well I am just advising you that there will be a charge fairly soon... Haha I work for T-Mobile so I should know
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Well I am just advising you that there will be a charge fairly soon... Haha I work for T-Mobile so I should know
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I was waiting on that response Was even going to say jdog should know he one of there dangmen
what kind of charge we looking at jdog, will bump us out of 5.99 to 10 or 20$ internet, or per useage kind of thing?
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what kind of charge we looking at jdog, will bump us out of 5.99 to 10 or 20$ internet, or per useage kind of thing?
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You will see a 20 dollar charge pretty soon... Haha this is going to be hilarious for all the people running the 5.99 hack... they will get that 20 dollar charge in no time... lol...
I'm still using the old APN...
I'm curious jdogg... how can T-mobile charge anyone without their authorizing the change to their plan? I would think that they would have to contact their customers beforehand...?
I have a really old phone and I can get 5.99 T-mobileweb on it, and i'm thinking of buying a T-mobile shadow or other phone and just put in my SIM, so I can take advantage of this hack.
Can someone confirm if any of this is still working?? I really need to know before I buy anything. Thanks!
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I have a really old phone and I can get 5.99 T-mobileweb on it, and i'm thinking of buying a T-mobile shadow or other phone and just put in my SIM, so I can take advantage of this hack.
Can someone confirm if any of this is still working?? I really need to know before I buy anything. Thanks!
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Still working for me haven't any extra billing on my bill
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Well I am just advising you that there will be a charge fairly soon... Haha I work for T-Mobile so I should know
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u should make that a quote i swear to god u know how hard it makes me laugh when u do tht lol
uansari1 said:
I'm still using the old APN...
I'm curious jdogg... how can T-mobile charge anyone without their authorizing the change to their plan? I would think that they would have to contact their customers beforehand...?
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If someone is stealing the service through the 'hack' T-Mobile has every right to charge for the use of it. If you are accessing the service it is obvious that you want it or you would not have 'hacked' your device to use it. Just be thankful T-Mobile has not decided to charge for unauthorized use and make that new 20.00 charge a few hundred dollar charge. Its not like your device is accidently connecting to the network, you have to actually edit device settings to do it, thats called premeditation.
What would be the correct settings for this on t-mobile dash
i don't agree
Bupahs said:
If someone is stealing the service through the 'hack' T-Mobile has every right to charge for the use of it. If you are accessing the service it is obvious that you want it or you would not have 'hacked' your device to use it. Just be thankful T-Mobile has not decided to charge for unauthorized use and make that new 20.00 charge a few hundred dollar charge. Its not like your device is accidently connecting to the network, you have to actually edit device settings to do it, thats called premeditation.
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Even if it is premeditation, its your phone. I basically consider premeditation an erroneous assertion and I really don't think it has anything to do with this issue. If they put features on your phone that you can access, I don't think they can simply charge you for using them w/out reasonable notification. Since its t-mobiles responsibility, not the consumers to keep features out of phones (which we see they do often like no 2nd camera in htc phones), it is unreasonable to charge w/out notice for a defect or oversight that can be best prevented by the seller since he/she is in a superior position to ensure it is not available or exploitable. If they do, just say no and I'm sure they will 1) say ok, but don't do it again or 2) charge you once for unlimited data if you've used a significant amount of it.
In either case; be skeptical of what t-mobile sales people say about this stuff unless you know them personally and well. They get told all kinds of stuff in a disinformation dissemination effort to get the "fear" out on forums such as these.
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Even if it is premeditation, its your phone. I basically consider premeditation an erroneous assertion and I really don't think it has anything to do with this issue. If they put features on your phone that you can access, I don't think they can simply charge you for using them w/out reasonable notification. Since its t-mobiles responsibility, not the consumers to keep features out of phones (which we see they do often like no 2nd camera in htc phones), it is unreasonable to charge w/out notice for a defect or oversight that can be best prevented by the seller since he/she is in a superior position to ensure it is not available or exploitable. If they do, just say no and I'm sure they will 1) say ok, but don't do it again or 2) charge you once for unlimited data if you've used a significant amount of it.
In either case; be skeptical of what t-mobile sales people say about this stuff unless you know them personally and well. They get told all kinds of stuff in a disinformation dissemination effort to get the "fear" out on forums such as these.
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i want the faster internet, i might do this. if i dont get a g1 first,.
No! way man
Bupahs said:
If someone is stealing the service through the 'hack' T-Mobile has every right to charge for the use of it. If you are accessing the service it is obvious that you want it or you would not have 'hacked' your device to use it. Just be thankful T-Mobile has not decided to charge for unauthorized use and make that new 20.00 charge a few hundred dollar charge. Its not like your device is accidently connecting to the network, you have to actually edit device settings to do it, thats called premeditation.
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1st-
T-mobile will not charge you $20.00 for one simple reason because its not good marketing... They rather keep you paying your cheap ass $5 or 10 dlls per month for more than 2 months than charge you $20.00 dlls for that one time and then you decide to cancelled the service because you think their assholes, they won't charge you hundreds of dlls because you know you will cancelled your service and its simply not a money making idea for Tmo.
(If T-mobile be thinking the way you were thinking I bet they actually lost more money than they would make from those $20.00 dlls, so the worst it could happened its just that the port gets blocked and that's it.)
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It doesn't affect T-mobile as much as you would think only the smallest percentage of people that actually pay for internet do this so called "Hack" therefore Tmo has nothing to worried about and even so people that don't want to pay for internet suddenly came across something like "$5.99 Tzones Hack" they suddenly decide to get the web so therefore you have a person who wouldn't pay $20.00 bucks for web but suddenly its paying 5 bucks for it. T-mobile wins whether its a small profit out of someone who wouldn't pay for something like $20.00 bucks.
And its not that I work at T-mobile like that one (lame) guy from previous post said that we were going to get charge, so theres nothing to be thankful for.
Its just simple marketing strategy that's all... Duh!
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T-mobile will not charge you $20.00 for one simple reason because its not good marketing... They rather keep you paying your cheap ass $5 or 10 dlls per month for more than 2 months than charge you $20.00 dlls for that one time and then you decide to cancelled the service because you think their assholes, they won't charge you hundreds of dlls because you know you will cancelled your service and its simply not a money making idea for Tmo.
(If T-mobile be thinking the way you were thinking I bet they actually lost more money than they would make from those $20.00 dlls, so the worst it could happened its just that the port gets blocked and that's it.)
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It doesn't affect T-mobile as much as you would think only the smallest percentage of people that actually pay for internet do this so called "Hack" therefore Tmo has nothing to worried about and even so people that don't want to pay for internet suddenly came across something like "$5.99 Tzones Hack" they suddenly decide to get the web so therefore you have a person who wouldn't pay $20.00 bucks for web but suddenly its paying 5 bucks for it. T-mobile wins whether its a small profit out of someone who wouldn't pay for something like $20.00 bucks.
And its not that I work at T-mobile like that one (lame) guy from previous post said that we were going to get charge, so theres nothing to be thankful for.
Its just simple marketing strategy that's all... Duh!
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they won't charge you hundreds of dlls because you know you will cancelled your service and its simply not a money making idea for Tmo
Not so easy if you signed a contract.
It doesn't affect T-mobile as much as you would think
No one said it would it's the users who pay for it.
And its not that I work at T-mobile like that one (lame) guy from previous post said that we were going to get charge
Maybe not a good idea to speak about a mod like that?
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Even if it is premeditation, its your phone. I basically consider premeditation an erroneous assertion and I really don't think it has anything to do with this issue. If they put features on your phone that you can access, I don't think they can simply charge you for using them w/out reasonable notification. Since its t-mobiles responsibility, not the consumers to keep features out of phones (which we see they do often like no 2nd camera in htc phones), it is unreasonable to charge w/out notice for a defect or oversight that can be best prevented by the seller since he/she is in a superior position to ensure it is not available or exploitable. If they do, just say no and I'm sure they will 1) say ok, but don't do it again or 2) charge you once for unlimited data if you've used a significant amount of it.
In either case; be skeptical of what t-mobile sales people say about this stuff unless you know them personally and well. They get told all kinds of stuff in a disinformation dissemination effort to get the "fear" out on forums such as these.
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Are you in law school too man? Your argument sounds like one based on contracts principles...
Anyway, don't worry about that guy... he likes to take a holier than thou attitude on the Tzones hack because he opted to pay 4 times as much and feels that we're the reason his data costs are so high (which he has yet to prove), while at the same time, he shares hacked software with everyone on his mediafire account. Pot calling the kettle black.
i'm a bit confused if somebody could just clarify. I'm running WM 6.1 on a Dash with Kavana's ROM through Tmobile. I just got the web2go offer online for the 100 mb+unlimited texting for $19.99 by switching out my dash for some generic motorola phone.
My GPRS settings are for wap.voicestream.com under T-Mobile Data. After doing a bunch of searching and reading, especially after this thread I can't determine if this unlimited data usage hack is still applicable to the currently offered web2go system. I missed out on the tzones hack, but this thread mentioned using the web2go for a similar function. Do I have to change any of the settings or place any proxys or will tmobile somehow just forget to monitor my data usage through this plan?
Hey! So I have an unlimited data plan on virgin mobile canada that doe not include tethering. In the past I have always tethered using apps like fox fi without any charges so I had assumed I was safe to continue doing so. This month I received a large phone bill because they decided to charge me for tethering. I cant figure out how they determined that i was tethering though. My only clue is that in the last month I have used roms with the built in tethering enabled, specifically free gs3 which includes the tmo tethering app. Could using that app have alerted my carrier that i was tethering whenever I used it?
Also, and I dont mean to beg but I'm broke so if anyone wants to help me out with this bill feel free not that I'm expecting anything but It'd be greatly appreciated aha
Thanks again!
They can't just up and charge you. They must warn you first. You can get in trouble for tethering when you shouldn't but they can't force you to pay for service you didn't ask for. Call them and play dumb. Deny everything. They will warn you to never do it again and read to you the tos....blah blah blah. Basically....call and act stupid.
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My curiosity is getting the best of me if you dont mind me asking how much was the Bill? if you prefer not to say no big deal im just curious how much one can rack up with tethering for a month.......and as far as your question, End answered it perfectly, call and play completely stupid as you have no idea if you have unlimited data how in the heck can they charge, then if they mention the word "tether" say you dont even know what that is and if its a feature that your not suppose to have then why would they allow you to? That seems predatory, I know you used an app but this is all part of it. You can always try things like " I am going to have to contact the BBB" or "Well I am going to hYouave to take my business elsewhere because I have never been accused or treated like this before with a company". Things like that usually work because their number 1 goal is to keep you happy and to keep you as a customer. I just wouldnt even mention the word "Tether" unless they do, but dont ever say too much play stupid and simple you know I use my phone for calls and texts and web browsing. Things like that.
Take Care and Good Luck
PS. If you are El Broke O' and they dont budge on the phone after doing the ABOVE you can always setup a payment plan with them. They should always allow that. You just tell them what you can afford and they will usually always agree. Believe me they just want to get their money doesnt matter how or when as long as you are paying. Because most people just say screw them and go somewhere else without paying.
No offense, however, in your OP you clearly stated that tethering was not included in your package and you tethered. What did you expect your carrier to do? Surprise!
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SaneinOne said:
No offense, however, in your OP you clearly stated that tethering was not included in your package and you tethered. What did you expect your carrier to do? Surprise!
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He knows that, he just wants to know how the carrier figured out he was tethering.
using native carrier tethering apps hacked to give free access would absolutely alert them to your behavior...that and excessive amounts of data used in a small amount of time
also keep in mind excessive amounts of data can also mean signifigantly more than your average use from past months...they got their clue somehow, time to own up and pay my friend!
thanks guys! Yeah im not mad that i was charged doing something i wasnt suposed too, i guess it must have been the stock app. Anyways I was told the email address of some corporate guy at virgin so hopefully I can work something out with him, thanks for all your advice!
I would imagine it has something to do with a different APN setting.
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So would the cm10 setup give you up?
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If tethering is not part of your plan then I would suggest operating under the premise that tethering is tethering as far as a carrier is concerned.
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So would the cm10 setup give you up?
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More likely than not, it was the wi-fi drivers that gave you away. I'm not sure about the exact details, but I believe that when you tether via wifi (using the phone's wifi interface as an access point), the datagrams from traffic routed through the wifi interface look identifiably different from traffic originating within the phone itself.
I don't know anybody who's ever gotten caught tethering via ADB (Easytether, etc). I've seen a lot of people get busted for tethering via wifi.
Remember, carriers go for low-hanging fruit, and wifi tethering is an easy target. It's not even a matter of spyware or deep packet inspection. I think it's actually a single bit in the datagram that's clear for phone-originated traffic, and set for routed traffic. ADB-based apps aren't affected, because all network traffic passing through them is by definition to or from the host via ADB. In contrast, wifi/bluetooth-tethered traffic returned to the phone might be for a local app, or it might be for one routed through the phone. The phone's network stack uses the bit as an easy, low-impact way to make its job easy and figure out whether it needs to pass the traffic to a local app on the phone, or just hand it over to the wifi driver for further routing.
I believe that if you wanted to safely tether via wifi, you'd basically have to run a PPP server on the phone, connect to it from the client PC via wifi, then the PPP server running on the phone would take the traffic and treat it the same way EasyTether would, so to Android it looked exactly like app-originated traffic (because it basically is; the fact that the app is originating it on behalf of a connected client is none of Android's business).
If you want to make your tethering foolproof, tether to the phone via ADB, and tunnel it to the internet via some thirdparty VPN (I use a company called ibvpn.com; it's around $3/month if you pay by the year, and also comes in handy for safely using unencrypted wifi in public places with a tablet).
They can tell no matter how you do it and most of the carriers, at least in the US, are now activly looking for people doing this. They can tell by the obvious jump in traffic, but other ways as well. Broswer signatures, etc. It's really very simple for them to pick it up just by watching your data flow, has nothing to do with your handset it's self.
If your PC/Mac-originated traffic is being regenerated by an Android-hosted app like EasyTether (so it officially originated with the Android app, as opposed to having been routed by the wifi driver and kernel iptables), it would be extraordinarily difficult for the carrier to figure out its true nature without deep packet inspection. If you tunnel it over an IPsec VPN using PPTP or L2TP, it would be damn near impossible for them to establish tethering with enough certainty to ever prevail in court unless you were literally tethering daily as your primary means of getting online, as opposed to tethering once in a while when you lacked better access options (airport, beach, car, etc).
Traffic analysis can certainly SUGGEST tethering and get you flagged for an automatic nastygram informing you that it's going to be added to your plan unless you complain, but if you're using an ADB-type tethering method and tunneling, you could tell your carrier to go f**k themselves and prove it with a very high degree of confidence. If you have a data plan that's tiered, I can't fathom them investing the resources to prove that you're tethering once in a while. In the AT&T context, somebody who's tethering on a regular basis with a tiered data plan is going to go over 5 gigs and end up paying the same amount he'd have paid to openly tether anyway, and somebody who's only tethering occasionally & not exceeding 3 gigs/month wouldn't be worth the effort to track down.
Add the fact that most carriers (in the US, at least) either rate-limit your traffic after 5 gigs (or less), or (in the case of Sprint) will actively dump you as a customer if you routinely exceed 5 gigs month after month after month (as if anyone could actually exceed 5 gigs over their glacial, dysfunctional network anyway), and the business case for aggressive tethering enforcement that goes beyond looking for routing signatures in the datagram becomes almost nonexistent.
Now, if you have an unlimited data plan that they're itching to terminate and force you into a tiered plan, they might try a little harder... but if their payback potential is an extra $10/month (because you have a tiered plan and you're already paying them $40/month for 3 gigs plus an extra gig, instead of paying $50/month for 5 gigs you might not fully use), they aren't going to bother, especially if you push back. Remember, there are data privacy laws, and most of the things they'd have to do to prove tethering if you're actively obfuscating and tunneling your traffic are borderline greyhat hacking. A big corporation isn't going to risk getting smacked down by federal regulators over pocket change. They're going to shake down the easy targets, and move along.
Insofar as deep packet inspection goes, remember... it might be easy to gather enough evidence for them to auto-send a nastygram and auto-subscription notice, but it's HARD to gather enough evidence for them to risk pursuing a case against someone who's actively fighting back. Five years ago, it might have been easy to notice tethering from a J2ME, Blackberry, or PalmOS smartphone by looking for implausible traffic. Nowadays, there's very little traffic that couldn't plausibly be generated directly by an Android phone. RDP and VNC? Check. IPsec VPN? Check. SQL client? Check. SSH? Check. Bittorrent? Check. (Suicidal and insane, but plausible). Desktop browser identifiers? Nope. Android's own browser can spoof desktop browsers with casual ease (about:debug, then menu->Settings).
The way to win against your carrier is to make victory too expensive for them to bother with. They're looking for easy ways to boost revenue, not embarking on a moral crusade to stamp out tethering. Make victory more expensive for them than stalemate, and they'll leave you alone.
So when I turn on the mobile AP in CM, they can track that? What if I used the AP and turned on my BTGuard VPN? Then it's just encrypted traffic. I only used it for tethering my WIFI tablet. So the apps that used the connection were nearly/if not identical to the ones on my phone. Most of the time I'm running CM on my tablet as well.
So your saying if i tether via usb using an app like tether by clockworkmod from the play store i should be good?
And if I argue enough and don't shutup then they will most likely drop the charges?
I can't give any concrete assurances. I've never seen how the others work, and I can't promise that they don't do anything that would give it away. All I can say is that I've tethered in moderation for years via ADB using EasyTether and ibvpn.com ($3/month if you pay 12 months at a time, and handy for using your tablet via wifi in public places where encryption isn't otherwise used). I've never been hassled. Chances are, when I DO use it, I end up using less data anyway than somebody who streams videos from Netflix, Amazon, and Blockbuster.
At the end of the day, if you have an unlimited data plan and you're using it as your primary means of internet access, they're eventually going to find a pretense for getting rid of you regardless of what you say or do. Used in moderation once in a while, with reasonable precautions to make your tethering non-blatantly-obvious, you should be fine. Like I said, you're dealing with private companies, not government agencies out for jihad. They aren't going to waste 3 hours of a $20/hour employee's time researching your use just so they can quibble with you over a few dollars per month, especially if they're already getting most of it from you anyway in the form of fees for additional gigabytes of data. They're going to cast their net far and wide, skim off the easy pickings who don't know any better than to use bare wifi without obfuscation, then focus on the guys using 10-20 gigs of data per month or more.
Be discreet, keep your head down, act insulted if they confront you, and you should be fine.
^ pretty much what I thought
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Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..
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They can most likely cancel your contract because you violated their TOS. That, or automatically upgrade you to a tethering plan..
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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?
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Why is it that there's other people that download 80gb's or more a month?
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Because they know how to use Google. There are millions of threads explaining in detail how to tether on T-Mobile network.
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All they will do is throttle/disable the tether till beginning of next billing cycle. They won't terminate your contract. The new plans they have come with 500 MB's for free.
It does not I repeat does not violate any terms of service. All they do is send you a message saying if you like to continue tethering please upgrade to a higher package or something to that effect. But no way with a just cancel your contract because that means they lose money. So don't worry about getting terminated from a contract because nobody major corporation whatever do that unless you like stole from them.
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whytechapel_x said:
Whats the worst that can happen? Last time I was tethering to my PS3 and was downloading a games and got a text from T-Mobile that I should get wifi hotspot if I want to continue to tether.
I can still tether though but what could happen? What about torrents?
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It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:
I agree 100%,
I love my tmobile service and have been with them since it was called voicestream.
The more people that tether PS3's the worse it is for the network, that just makes the end user experience slower service and chock it up as tmobile LTE/4G being crap.
Tmobile have done a great job recently with all these rollouts and the restructuring of its plans, if we are to move up to #3 out of the top 4 carriers we need to let everone enjoy the network, for the first time in a long time tmobile sets to show a positive number of signups this quater.
If you want to keep enjoying lower rates, please get yourself a $19.99 DSL plan. Last thing we need is for tmobile to be bought out by sprint or someone else. Then we all lose.
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It's exactly this reason that we have to hide our tethering. Don't be cheap. Buy internet for your home. It actually makes more sense. If you are gaming our latency and game side to server path will be a lot more consistent and reliable. Tethering is not meant to replace your home network. It is meant to be used while out and about. Also it is very selfish to tax the network and cripple your fellow Tmobile users to by hooking up devices that are meant to be enjoyed on a home network. IMHO:cyclops:
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Lmao now your calling me cheap? When in hell did I ever mention I don't have internet at home? If your not gonna answer the question how about you leave. Same goes to the poster above
There is no reason to tether your ps3 to your phone if you have internet at home.
Its abusing the system, people who are downloading 80gb as you say are the ones who make all of us suffer and its the reason tmobile stops tethering.
To answer your question they can and will cancel your service if the see fit, its written in their TOS here is a link below.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Here is a snippet if you dont want to look through the whole thing.
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Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. In addition, if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile's T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers' service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan.
Hope this helps, I also tether, I dont see anything wrong with it, it is wrong when you do it on a daily basis to avoid paying for internet and specially if your tethering 80gb worth.
Also most of the new roms ie wicked v4 have native tethering. There also trevE mod that helps bypass the provision.
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TL;DR (I feel like ranting, so here's the point of this so you don't have to read everything)
PLEASE tell me there is an option for us HTC 10 T-Mobile folks that will DESTROY that throttle?!?!!!!
MY RANT​
I am with T-Mobile and I pay for unlimited data. This pretty much means I pay for 25gigs of data and then continue to pay for "unlimited" data that gets throttled so bad, opening up google.com make me want to carve my eyes out...it is impossible to deal with.
I am a HEAVY data user (I'm at 45.6gigs w/ 14 days left to wait until I get my REAL data back) and I do not have access to Wi-Fi most the day.
I get it...an average person gets unlimited bc it makes them feel good inside knowing they have it of they need it (even though on average sharing 6 or 10 gig's with one other person is more than enough...gogo gadget ex sales associate employee for phones).
But I pay for unlimited bc I NEED it!
They claim that the FCC is the ones that makes them create this throttle point...but a chick at Verizon said its the carriers - so they can save money.
And then they try to justify it with saying that I need to share the love with the other users who pay for 3gig plans...so they get priority in congested areas.
Last time I checked, I'm a paying customer too...and I am paying for your "Truly Unlimited Data Plan"
Shoot me
To for letting me vent
sorry no way to stop it, its on their end, so once you hit that point they will throttle. they can do this since you still have unlimited data, just most of it will be slow
I also notice your Verizon comment, I'm on the unlimited data, with NO throttle point.
@afuller42
That's devastating....but you have unlimited on Verizon?
Were you on it when it was out originally and got grandfathered into it? Also...do you know if I can make my phone work on Verizon's towers? Via some sort of root perk thing?
@Emilicious
yes I was grandfathered into the unlimited plan by Verizon, they have tried many time over the years to get me off of it but I decline. Last phone I bought before the 10 I paid full price ($650) just to keep my plan. At least with the HTC 10 I got to use their payment plan and still keep my UDP.
As for your other question, if you switch to Verizon, yes after flashing a few things, you can use your phone on their towers. Keep in mind though that Verizon doesn't have unlimited anymore and probably wouldn't be good for your amount of data use.
Directv and At&T have become one now, I personally think if you have the tv service this is the next best option for a Unlimited plan, they do throttle but its a "may slow speeds" "peak hours" thing. Heres directly off their site
" After 22GB of data usage on a line in a bill cycle, AT&T may slow data speeds on that line when the network is congested. If congestion ends or you move to an uncongested site, speed will no longer be affected. Regardless of the amount of data usage, no overage charges will apply. See att.com/broadbandinfo for additional network management details." https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/unlimited-plan.html?WT.srch=1
if I lose my UDP from vzw for any reason I will be hoping on at&t, even though I had very bad experiances with their service back in the pre-android flip phone days.
@afuller42 so is it impossible to get these days? Like an email to a man in power couldn't even do it?
@Emilicious
yep "truly" unlimited plans are mostly gone everywhere that I can see. all have a cap or de-priorization after about 20-30gb of data.
metropcs may have a true unlimited plan still. you can check out their website if its in your area https://www.metropcs.com/ it really seems to be a great price ($60 unlimited talk, text, data)and no mention of throttle other than hotspot throttling after 8gb of hotspot use, which on the HTC 10 you can easily bypass that I believe (could be wrong, but I get free hotspot from Verizon on the 10, so could be the same with them) I have no experience with this company though
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nvm I was wrong metropcs may throttle also at 25gb, but its like at&t and its deprioritize during peak hours-locations
@afuller42 hey do you know anything about vpn servers and if that's an avenue I can take?
This works for unlimited tethering on T-Mobile
https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/54a7dd/bypassing_tmobiles_tethering_data_capthrottling/
My first work around was to install Debian in a chroot using Linux Deploy. Get yourself sshd running in a chroot on the rooted Android device you will see the options in the Linux Deploy app. Configure the container to start ssh server and remember the user name and password from the initial setup.
You will find many instructions on the Google machine, or you can message me.
From your laptop/computer you need to connect to your phones hotspot after starting the ssh server. Then use ssh/putty to forward your phones SOCKS port.
ssh -D 9999 [email protected]
Change chroot_user to your chroots username. Leave 192.168.43.1 as it is. After successfully logging into the ssh server, you need to set your computer to listen on port 9999(Or whatever port you choose 1080 would be sane) for SOCKS connection.
If your using Windows you need "Putty" for an ssh client and Firefox is a good choice for setting a custom SOCKS port. 192.168.43.1 Is typically the gateway when using Android hotspots. That's AOSP/LOS ROMs that I'm used too.
I was doing that for months, before I found that Reddit post.
So yes it is possible to get around the hotspot cap. Both methods work, but I prefer the method from that Reddit post as it is less off a hassle, also on Linux it works system wide, not just the programs you configure for it.
Reddit link
https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/54a7dd/bypassing_tmobiles_tethering_data_capthrottling/