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Limewire with 5.99 tzones to work

ok i knw that you can connect you phone to you computer and get internet acces on your computer and having you phone as the modem, and i knw that when you use it with the 20 dollar plan(data) you dont need to configure anything on your computer.
But for the 5.99 data plan you need to configure you connection settings>lan settings and add your proxy for the internet to work on you computer.
But what settings do i do to make limewire work, cause it works for the 20 dollar plan, and with out touching the settings, but with the 5.99 plan, what settings do i configure to make limewire work?

razo559 said:
ok i knw that you can connect you phone to you computer and get internet acces on your computer and having you phone as the modem, and i knw that when you use it with the 20 dollar plan(data) you dont need to configure anything on your computer.
But for the 5.99 data plan you need to configure you connection settings>lan settings and add your proxy for the internet to work on you computer.
But what settings do i do to make limewire work, cause it used to work when i had the 20 dollar plan, and with out touching the settings, now with the 5.99 plan, what settings do i configure to make limewire work?
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Have you tried the T-Mobile Wireless Configurations page?

kind of annoys me that people want everything and more...yet wont pay the extra 15 bucks...

Say What?
gixxum said:
kind of annoys me that people want everything and more...yet wont pay the extra 15 bucks...
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yep I pay for it because I think that I use enough data to pay for it.. If I was using limewire I would definitely pay for it. Tmobile knows that they let people use the proxy however if 100 people in each city were to all download on limewire say 2-3 hours daily, I believe tmobile would cap this in a heartbeat. Or at least talk to comcast and figure out how to throttle any torrent activity to almost 0, which to be honest on Edge is probably real close to what kind of speeds you are getting. How long does it take to download 35MB? Now think about how much data that is over the cell line(Edge). And if you are downloading movies or tv fuggeadabooutit!!! For $5 internet on your cell you should be aloud to browse, check your email, even download small programs but LIMEWIRE, that is flat out abusing the system. If tmobile shuts down the proxy I believe that you and people like you will be to blame. SO no I wont help you out with that even though I will tell you that it is absolutely possible to get this working. Quit slowing down my connection!!

I know how to make this work. However tvwgtiron has a very good point. Don't abuse the already SLOW connection TMobile gives us!!! Besides, I dont think Limewere supports https proxies anyway. All the configuration has to be on the computer, not on the phone, so the Tmobile configuration page is useless in this case.

ok i can see your point of view, but you have to understand, first of all, tmobile, att and so on restrict or limit how much bandwidth is distributed to each consumer, for example comcast, you purchase a plan with 2Mbps so the most you can use is 2Mbps, att and tmobile dont give a specific speed to everyone saying, this is the most we can let u use, no. they have in their system a limit, because they are a very big company with thousands of clients and knw that mostly everyone will be using their data services, but knw that they can if they wanted to, give you more faster speeds to download or surf the internet, but they dont do this, cause it will cause interuptions, so they limit how much bandwidth is distributed to every client. do you see what i am saying.
now if you dont want to help me thats fine, i respect your opinions, and i am not going to argue, the only reason i ask this is because, in the area where i live, is in the middle of nothing, dsl nor cable is available in my area, except for satellite, but thats way to expensive 60 bucks a month, compared to 5, thats a big difference, especially for the speeds being the same as dial up. ( i knw because i used to have it) and the closest city near by is about 30 miles, and guess where my dial up has to dial to, yup that city thats 30 miles away, so you can imagine the latency. its ridiculously slow. and the only way i connect to the internet is with my phone, thats the only thing i have that gives me decent speeds. thank you for your help either way.

razo559 said:
ok i can see your point of view, but you have to understand, first of all, tmobile, att and so on restrict or limit how much bandwidth is distributed to each consumer, for example comcast, you purchase a plan with 2Mbps so the most you can use is 2Mbps, att and tmobile dont give a specific speed to everyone saying, this is the most we can let u use, no. they have in their system a limit, because they are a very big company with thousands of clients and knw that mostly everyone will be using their data services, but knw that they can if they wanted to, give you more faster speeds to download or surf the internet, but they dont do this, cause it will cause interuptions, so they limit how much bandwidth is distributed to every client. do you see what i am saying.
now if you dont want to help me thats fine, i respect your opinions, and i am not going to argue, the only reason i ask this is because, in the area where i live, is in the middle of nothing, dsl nor cable is available in my area, except for satellite, but thats way to expensive 60 bucks a month, compared to 5, thats a big difference, especially for the speeds being the same as dial up. ( i knw because i used to have it) and the closest city near by is about 30 miles, and guess where my dial up has to dial to, yup that city thats 30 miles away, so you can imagine the latency. its ridiculously slow. and the only way i connect to the internet is with my phone, thats the only thing i have that gives me decent speeds. thank you for your help either way.
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So you are trying to tell us that adding another 9.00/month is not worth it??
Hell dude, 14.99 and you have the whole net. Cheaper then any other cable company out there, for decent speed, coming from a phone. lol

I agree with others, I think using the proxy is really considered theft of service.
The fact they have not acted on it yet, or may never pursue it, does not make it right to abuse.
I see nothing wrong with surfing and email myself, but if your going to try using a bandwidth hog such as Limewire to steal music, that hurts everyone in the long run... They will probably cap everyones internet, or raise prices, etc from all the people abusing the service.
You can give all the excuses you want, but manipulating your phone to take more than what you pay for is called stealing, and its not fair to those of us who actually pay for the real service.

you will pay for a cable modem if you had the chance at 50 or so a month but wont loosen the purse strings and pay 20 bux for the internet that you can get? that makes no sense to me in any way, plus, if my $20/month data plan goes up because you cheap idiots wanna run an entire network off a cell phone usuing proxy hacks...id be pissed. accept it for what its worth. you are lucky to get what you get for 5 bux...stop trying to not only abuse it but GROSSLY abuse it.

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you will pay for a cable modem if you had the chance at 50 or so a month but wont loosen the purse strings and pay 20 bux for the internet that you can get? that makes no sense to me in any way, plus, if my $20/month data plan goes up because you cheap idiots wanna run an entire network off a cell phone usuing proxy hacks...id be pissed. accept it for what its worth. you are lucky to get what you get for 5 bux...stop trying to not only abuse it but GROSSLY abuse it.
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Gixxum...it's 19.99 not even 20 lol
You were a penny off

hahah i will give him that penny!
why not pay the LESS than 20 bux...and plug the damn phone into your pc which by your admittance, has not internet access, and tether it? then use all the damn data you want and give us nothing to piss and moan about? til then, F**K YOU AND YOUR LIMEWIRE.
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carry on...nothing to see here.

LMAO

damnit mikey! i said NOTHING TO SEE HERE!
now go steal some internet and music....

I dont steal anything

thats against the law...and morally wrong. (i mean..only if you ask on a public forum)
should i start a thread entitled "I NEEDZ CRACKED SOFTWARE! GIVE TO ME NOW *****EZ!" or "So I need help setting up the proxy hack to run my own ISP. any advice?"

gixxum said:
hahah i will give him that penny!
why not pay the LESS than 20 bux...and plug the damn phone into your pc which by your admittance, has not internet access, and tether it? then use all the damn data you want and give us nothing to piss and moan about? til then, F**K YOU AND YOUR LIMEWIRE.
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carry on...nothing to see here.
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you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.

razo559 said:
you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.
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Roger that.
NO

can i ask a quick question? if you were able to get internet at your house, would you piss and moan like this on the ISP's forums about how their serive is too expensive as you go onto limewire to steal? just curious.

gixxum said:
can i ask a quick question? if you were able to get internet at your house, would you piss and moan like this on the ISP's forums about how their serive is too expensive as you go onto limewire to steal? just curious.
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i did, when i had direcway satelite, i was paying 59.99 for "broadband speeds" when in reality i wasnt geting the speeds advertised, but i dont use limewire frequently, i just use once in a while, and some say its stealing, some say its not. idk.

razo559 said:
you know what, f*ck you you piece of sh*t, i do have the 19.99 plan, but i want to use the 5.99 plan, im payin way too much for my phone service, and why pay the 19.99 when you can just pay 5.99. if you y'll didnt want to tell me, dont give me all this crap, just say no, how hard is it to say that.
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NO!!
I feel better...don't you gixx?

T-mobile Internet problems?

I'm running the proxy hack and everything was running fine until earlier today. I can't seem to get network connectivity, though my signal strength is at full bars. I'm in the Toledo, Ohio area.
Anyone else having problems? I haven't changed any settings, so I'm thinking either it's a network issue or T-mo has closed access to this hack...?

It's normal.. These threads pop up frequently here and on other sites. I've had mine go down for a day or two then it's back up and running as normal. Can't really complain with how much you are getting for $5.99

Gee here is an idea, STOP MAKING MY DATA CHARGES HIGHER!!!!!! Its people like you that make me have to pay 20.00 a month for data because you're too cheap to pay for what you use.
I hope T-Mo finially blocks all those ports, finds the users (not that hard you know.. and they have been known to do it in the past few months) and charge them for past over usage so my bill can become lower. Let you thief's pay for a while

Bupahs said:
Gee here is an idea, STOP MAKING MY DATA CHARGES HIGHER!!!!!! Its people like you that make me have to pay 20.00 a month for data because you're too cheap to pay for what you use.
I hope T-Mo finially blocks all those ports, finds the users (not that hard you know.. and they have been known to do it in the past few months) and charge them for past over usage so my bill can become lower. Let you thief's pay for a while
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I knew that you would say this or another member and i totally agree.

stylez said:
I knew that you would say this or another member and i totally agree.
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Am I becoming that predictable lol
Its a major pet peeve of mine. I am perfectly capable of hacking the network for free service but choose not to, not because I have any higher morality then the next person but only because it ruins it for everyone in higher costs for data services. These morons don't think it through. When they (T-Mobile) finally do close all these back doors (and they will, many areas have already had them closed and penalties levied against the abusers of the service) they are going to want to recoup all that lost money.. which means even higher data charges for everyone. Including the idiots that stole it and drove it up in the first place.
I am paying 20.00 for a service that should be half that at most only because of idiots stealing the service.

Bupahs said:
Am I becoming that predictable lol
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I remebered your previous posts regarding the Hack (Thiefery) and totally understand where you coming from as it's all got to be recouped and people don't realize this, not only that i pay for my usage of which i have 500mb and with using Opera Mini that does me for a month, without streaming etc as when mobile the phone is used as a phone "Communication Device"
Lets just hope Tmo shut these down soon it'll also stop silly questions regarding the Hack (Thiefery)
Not sure Thiefery a word but sounds good

Thanks to the ONE person that replied. To the other off-topic ranters...if you have a problem with T-mo's holes...switch to another provider. Good luck finding any other that's cheaper even with T-mo's so called markup.

uansari1 said:
Thanks to the ONE person that replied. To the other off-topic ranters...if you have a problem with T-mo's holes...switch to another provider. Good luck finding any other that's cheaper even with T-mo's so called markup.
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Fist off we have an issue with users that make other users pay for the data you steal, so it wasn't off topic, like you can see i'm not in Tmo so your quote isn't to me and Bupahs is paying top notch for you....
Won't be long till Tmo cut these cheap ass hacks and i hope you get a bill to pay for the data you have stolen as it's not hard to trace.
So the issue is with users not the provider....

Always payed $19.99. I'm not a hack I'm a modder.

uansari1 said:
Thanks to the ONE person that replied. To the other off-topic ranters...if you have a problem with T-mo's holes...switch to another provider. Good luck finding any other that's cheaper even with T-mo's so called markup.
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LOL, is that supposed to be some kind of intelligent remark? You want me to switch providers so you can continue to steal? LOL thats almost cute.
Fact is T-Mobile in the past few months has started to charge people that steal data with proxy hacks, just wander on over to t-mo signal forum and read all the cry babies that got busted with a couple hundred dollars in past due charges for using the data. Theft of service is theft of service dude, just try to get out of it when T-Mobile bills your account, know a good lawyer? you'll need him. so please do continue to hack the system, just remember your IMIE, phone number and model get logged each and every time you do.

To me the first priority when I got my phone was to make sure I had unlimited internet(data) service, cause I knew it was going to cost me more in the long run in any other way. I had heard about the proxy hacks since before I bought my dash and to me is not worth it , with the problems that come with it , from not getting the proper connection to getting caught by the providor and ending up paying hundreds upon hundreds of dollards for how long you hacked the system. Not worth it.

pfunkside said:
Always payed $19.99. I'm not a hack I'm a modder.
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as only the best are

i had the 5.99 hack for about two months & (like you guys said) realized it's not worth it. i really didn't feel like getting stuck with a huge bill, the service for the t-zones was horrible (you could never use it roaming). to me, it's worth paying the $15 more / month.

At&t won't sell phone w/o contract and no data?

i just got back from the att store in Lexington ky off richmond rd and the rudest jerk would not sell me the tilt 2 unless i got a data plan, even if i paid full price! What the heck! I hate freakin att, it took all I had not to pop this blond haired dude just for how rude he was to me and my wife. I told him I'll just get it off ebay and he said they would detect it and automatically add data plan.
My wife is eligible for early upgrade and she has an iphone w/ data plan
Shouldn't I be able to get her to get the tilt 2. They will de-activate her iphone, then when she gets home put my old sim in tilt 2 and have her re-activate her phone. Is this possible or no. Please help
I don't want to pay for a stupid 30 a month data plan data plan, i only want the wifi use.

ATT is much more proactive about checking IMEI's now than they used to be. As a result, upon placing your sim in the Tilt 2, you will very likely receive a text message informing you that if you do not add a smartphone data plan to your phone, one will be added for you.
One possible, and I stress POSSIBLE, way around this is to use an unlocked TP2 from another carrier, or the int'l unbranded version. It won't have 3G, but it may not get flagged as a smartphone because most carriers only have their own phones in the IMEI database that they use to check for this sort of thing. So while they would detect the Tilt2 and charge you for a monthly data plan, they might not detect an unlocked branded version from VZW or Tmobile or the unbranded international version as a smartphone.
I'm sorry the dude was rude, and I'm not super fond of ATT (or other carriers for that matter) either, but based on my experience and that of some other users I know, I believe his information is accurate. We used to be able to get away with a lot more than we can now.
Best way to go without paying for data these days is prepaid (though prepaid plans like VZW's which include for example, unlimited data, don't allow smartphones for fear of abuse. I haven't heard of ATT's prepaid rejecting smartphones because their prepaid data packages are per mb--no danger of abuse).

fortunz said:
One possible, and I stress POSSIBLE, way around this is to use an unlocked TP2 from another carrier, or the int'l unbranded version. It won't have 3G, but it may not get flagged as a smartphone because most carriers only have their own phones in the IMEI database that they use to check for this sort of thing. So while they would detect the Tilt2 and charge you for a monthly data plan, they might not detect an unlocked branded version from VZW or Tmobile or the unbranded international version as a smartphone.
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That sounds good in theory, and would work out pretty well for OP since he isn't concerned about 3G capabilities.
When you log into your AT&T wireless account, AT&T attempts to detect your phone and displays it on screen for you. When I was using unlocked phones on their network (i900 Omnia for a year and most recently for 3 days, T-MO's Touch Pro 2), it never detected/displayed my phone.
I just logged into my account now to check if it detected my new AT&T branded Tilt 2, and indeed it did.
Not to spam OP, but if you're interested in a T-Mo Touch Pro 2, I have one listed in the Marketplace. Good luck!

Thanks for your sympathy
Thanks for your sim-pathy (sympathy), It is good to know I'm not the only one angry about this.
It would sure be nice to have a 3.5 jack with an unlocked verizon or sprint version, but I'm just not sure how not having 3g band would effect my signal. Years ago I remember having sprint service and it was horrible where I live.

You are wondering how it would affect your carrier edge data signal? I thought you only wanted to use wifi?
If you are worried about how it would affect your regular GSM phone signal, I can't imagine that would be problem. I believe the GSM chip is the same in all versions, and would expect similar performance from all TP2s that have it.
To date, I haven't yet heard of an unlocked Sprint version working on US GSM carriers (possibly due to some software protections they added in). Unlocked VZWs have been proven to work on ATT. If you want the 3.5mm jack, maybe VZW or Telus would be your best bet.

thanks for the tip
I did not know unlocked sprint versions would not work on US gsm, thanks for the tip. I'm going to start searching the threads for people who have got the unlocked Verizon's to work before I buy.
I was not for sure if the 3g just carried data, thanks for clearing that up. If that is all it adds I won't miss it because, "i really only use wifi".
or maybe just hold out for the hd2.....don't know if I can stand using my backup Motorola phone much longer *my htc trinity drowned ......

There is an alternative
You may try to purchase a phone from T-mobile and they won't limit you to having a data plan especially if you pay full price. I've seen many do it, and many succeed. Good Luck

lol, get the phone with the data plan. go home, call at&t and tell them you've changed your mind and dont want the data plan. have your old phone's imei around and tell them your going to use your old phone. done. i've done it multiple times. no use arguing with those idiots at the store; most of us here know more about phones than they do

xda kindness
If only our mobile devices companies were all staffed by the nice and informative people of xda the universe would be a better place.

omaralt said:
lol, get the phone with the data plan. go home, call at&t and tell them you've changed your mind and dont want the data plan. have your old phone's imei around and tell them your going to use your old phone. done. i've done it multiple times. no use arguing with those idiots at the store; most of us here know more about phones than they do
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Lots of us have, but you should note that not all the old tricks work anymore. IMEI checking occurs much more often now, not just when you call in.

Are you looking to just not have a data plan period for her phone? The Smartphone/PDA data and iPhone data are the same price.

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As a result, upon placing your sim in the Tilt 2, you will very likely receive a text message informing you that if you do not add a smartphone data plan to your phone, one will be added for you
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I've been running for about a week now on my old SIM w/ MediaNet and have not received any such message.

RacerX10 said:
I've been running for about a week now on my old SIM w/ MediaNet and have not received any such message.
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I hope it keeps working for you.

I don't understand how he was being rude at all. If he can't sell it to you without those conditions then it certainly isn't his fault. I work at RadioShack and the system we use will not allow us to sell smartphones without adding data either. Not sure how this applies to phones bought outright but all sellers do things a little different. Don't be upset at the associate, be upset at att and the rest of the carriers who also require this.

Actually, according to the rep I had, it seems more along the lines of the phones official launch being today that is the issue from the store side. Since its so new they're not, at least the regular associate isn't, allowed to sell the phone sans contract.
Needless to say my shackles are back on
Considering the amount that shipped out to some stores if his store was any indicator it wouldn't surprise me. How do you only send 3, with one to be set for display purposes?

RE: att rep
I never blamed this guy for the rules this att rep he had to follow, that is not what ticked me off. This had nothing to do with what ticked me off
From the second I walked into this store he was the most sarcastic punk ever, and took it personal that I was trying to get this great htc phone without a data plan. He treated me like I was trying to steal it. I was very polite and I doubt he even knew that I was the least bit upset.

Just got back from an At&t store myself. Rep said the same thing and was also a jerk. I couldn't purchase the phone by itself. I'm not due for an upgrade yet so I was trying to buy the phone full price.
The rep was asking me why I wanted the phone. He said its horrible, it useless, he had a Fuze and gave it away because of how bad it was. He uses a BB and iPhone (BIG SURPRISE). He said I was probably the only person asking for the phone the whole day and thats why they didn't have a display model, because no one wants this phone. He said "Why do you want a windows phone, its windows!!!! Haha, c'mon!"
I was screaming inside. If the jackass had any technology knowledge he would understand why I wanted the phone. The possibilities are endless. I'm running TomTom, Wifi access point, internet sharing, mp3 trimmer, push e-mail, Skyfire, DirecTV NFL Superfan Streaming, registry edits, etc. I know a BB and iPhone can also do some of these things but they CAN'T DO ALL.

gtdRR said:
Just got back from an At&t store myself. Rep said the same thing and was also a jerk. I couldn't purchase the phone by itself. I'm not due for an upgrade yet so I was trying to buy the phone full price.
The rep was asking me why I wanted the phone. He said its horrible, it useless, he had a Fuze and gave it away because of how bad it was. He uses a BB and iPhone (BIG SURPRISE). He said I was probably the only person asking for the phone the whole day and thats why they didn't have a display model, because no one wants this phone. He said "Why do you want a windows phone, its windows!!!! Haha, c'mon!"
I was screaming inside. If the jackass had any technology knowledge he would understand why I wanted the phone. The possibilities are endless. I'm running TomTom, Wifi access point, internet sharing, mp3 trimmer, push e-mail, Skyfire, DirecTV NFL Superfan Streaming, registry edits, etc. I know a BB and iPhone can also do some of these things but they CAN'T DO ALL.
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Most of the people in the stores are just typical sales people. They have bad attitudes, and think they know everything because of their "training". Just remember that they are trying to make their commission off of you. Every time I call customer service I make a point to complain about the sales people in the stores. Once, I went in to a store and asked for a new SIM card, and the jerk didn't want to give me one because I was not buying something. I asked for a manager, and she was a b***h about it too and told me that the SIM cards cost them a lot of money. She told me to go to the RadioShack down the road and get one (and they wanted to charge me $25 for one). I just stopped going to the stores all together. If I need a new SIM card, I call customer service and request one to be shipped to me. My advise.... Stay away from the stores!!!!

If they are so into earning their commissions one would think they would want to sell a $549 phone at full price, no?

I work for Best Buy Mobile and indeed AT&T does automatically add the data plan once the IMEI for smartphones is detected in their database but this does not mean you can't buy the phone outright.. that's where the guy was wrong. I don't know if he would get a lesser commission if he sells without an activation or whatnot.

[Q] Will T-Mo really be able to tell when you're tethering?

Can someone explain to me how T-Mo will be able to tell the difference between regular browsing on the G2 and tethering? I use the wireless tether for root users and the usb tether for root users apps. I have a feeling that as long as you're not constantly getting your bandwidth throttled from going over the data cap you won't get charged. I guess we'll find out this week as their tethering plans are starting on sunday.

T-mobile has a application I believe.. thats what I've been hearing... That you get charged $10 the moment you activate it. But T-mobile will know a tether user from a regular bandwidth user, they caught me for tethering on my G1.. said I use A LOT of data... way over 5GB worth...

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T-mobile has a application I believe.. thats what I've been hearing... That you get charged $10 the moment you activate it. But T-mobile will know a tether user from a regular bandwidth user, they caught me for tethering on my G1.. said I use A LOT of data... way over 5GB worth...
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They wont know, since data is data. When you stream media or use youtube, that takes a lot of data. They will throttle your speed after the 5gb, but I "heard" there's a loop hole in the system...By switching the 2G only for around an hour and going back to 3G only, your phone will get back the full speed. i only use tether when not in wifi area or home or for PS3 to increase pc bandwidth. Maybe they do have an app, but people have been tether for years on diff phones. There are other tether apps besides froyo one, easythether, pdanet, barnacle,etc. The android price is already high for no good reason, and we should get the free tethering, cause other phones have cheaper data.I dont see why android gets a higher data package, before my plan was around 50, now its like 80 a month.

If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.

rwbarnes67 said:
If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.
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i am sorry, but thats like saying a gnome told you

CHECK THIS OUT. I had issues earlier with roaming on wifi tether. So I redownloaded the (root) wifi tether to see if tmo was capping me. Well? This is the address that popped up both times on both stock and root wifi tether {http://offers.t-mobile.com/tethering/admin/roaming.jsp} after the page told me that it can't be redirected.I believe this address is in the programming on the sim. When you tether, look at the bottom left of your web page where it tells you the progress of that page. You will see "offers.t-mobile.com". Your page gets directed there first than back to you. That's how they now. Funny thing is, I had roaming tether this morning at 03:30 cst. Noon comes around and nothing. It works fine on their network (not roaming). To answer the golden question if tmo can tell if we are tethering or not? YES!! Tmo verified that for me today without asking. Tether charges will take place on the 14th and we will be notified first to have the choice. They said now that they have the HSPA+ network that they now have control of tether. And also mentioned that other networks have been doing this. "This is a business and we have to make money too" Tmo rep.
This issue can be argued by usps by going to tmobile.com and going to customer relations link and there you find a physical address to headquarters. I was told they will reply to your complaint,concern or comments.
I will be writing them when I get in from Washington.
edit; I just checked for the address at the bottom of the page while on tmo network (not roaming) and I did not see the afore mentioned. maybe it only shows while roaming. IDK
Edit; 11/13 15:17cst:/
Roaming issue fixed. Flashed a repacked stock rom. Fixed all issues I was having after flashing bb 03.

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If you currently have unlimited data, you will be grandfathered in as of 11/14 and will not be charged for tethering.
This came straight from my T-Mobile rep.
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apzalo said:
i am sorry, but thats like saying a gnome told you
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Exactly. My wife works for T-mobile. She has worked on the sales floor, in the call centers, and often goes to the trainings at corporate in Bellevue, WA. But she would be the first person to tell you that the majority of the crap that reps say is either completely unsubstantiated rumors, or completely made up out of thin air. T-mobile knows that their entry level employees in the call centers and retail shops, are too stupid to be trusted with anything other than the basic info needed to do their job. Even in management, she is only very rarely privileged to information that isn't already floating around online. Most of their employees don't understand their tech, products, and services anymore than what they can read off of the very basic scripts and trainings they give them. The people working for T-mo that are truly passionate about things, and actually know details like this, are not the people you get to talk to, and usually aren't the types to go blabbing what they know.
Unless what the rep is telling you has been leaked or confirmed by other sources, 90% of the time it's complete BS, or they just read it online like the rest of us.
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while i agree to an extent, reps don't know anything about their jobs or the phones. most reps get their info from tmonews or XDA just like we do. i have gone into my t-mo store on many occasions and asked questions and watched as the rep pulled up tmo news on the comp or xda app on their phone. reps are useless for info

etjrowe said:
T-mobile knows that their entry level employees in the call centers and retail shops, are too stupid to be trusted with anything other than the basic info needed to do their job.
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As a T-Mobile tech service rep, I take great exception to this. Not all of us "too stupid" to know what's going on.
Having said that, it pisses me off to no end when other reps give out inaccurate info. I pride myself in knowing my stuff and doing it right. I never present any rumor as fact, nor do I make stuff up to placate customers.
So you can take your assumptions about me and shove them someplace unpleasant. Good day to you, sir.
p.s. But you are right that this whole "grandfathered in for free tethering" sounds like complete BS to me. Damn these reps making us look bad

I don't care about the data cap to be honest, I don't spend that much time outside of an actual wi-fi area. But I still have yet to see a legitimate, no BS answer as to whether or not T-Mobile will know that a person is tethering. Will the App itself report to T-Mobile, because to me, that seems to be the only way that "tethered data" and "smartphone data" can be differentiated by T-Mobile.

Notice from At&T -Tethering

Recently got a text and Letter from AT&T stating that I've been caught tethering on my unlimited (grandfathered in) data plan. I called and the said this was my last warning before they turn my unlimited plan off for good and switch me to the 5GB plan.
Has anyone else had this happen to them? Should I be worried - concerned if I still want to tether?
I currently use the most up to date version of AOKP JB - and have been since i got the SGS 3.
Thoughts?

axel4401 said:
Recently got a text and Letter from AT&T stating that I've been caught tethering on my unlimited (grandfathered in) data plan. I called and the said this was my last warning before they turn my unlimited plan off for good and switch me to the 5GB plan.
Has anyone else had this happen to them? Should I be worried - concerned if I still want to tether?
I currently use the most up to date version of AOKP JB - and have been since i got the SGS 3.
Thoughts?
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Are you tethering a laptop, desktop? I haven't seen a message yet (knocks on wood!) but I only tether my tablet.

I would suggest you stop or they will switch you off unlimited. I tethered once for about 50mb worth of data and I got a letter in the mail from them.
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With tmobile we can switch our apn settings to get around them knowing about tethering. Not sure if there's anything like that for ATT, but figured I'd mention it.
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Considering you can never get that plan back if they switch it, you should decide how much that's worth to you. If you'll never go over with just the phone, then it won't be that big a loss. If it were me, I'd stop tethering, and keep the unlimited data since the data costs keep bumping up in $5 or $10 increments.

If it were me, I'd call and talk only to a supervisor. Ask them how they can prove you're thethering. If they give you crap about having xx # of gigs used of data, be like, yeah, i stream movies every night; i didn't think that would be a problem, since i have "unlimited data"!!!!!! How would i be tethering without a tether plan anyway!?!?!? Etc, etc. Make sure to get their name, extension, etc.
Also, tell them if they change your plan, the terms of your contract no longer apply, and you will be dropping said plan in favor of a new carrier, and will not be paying early termination fees.
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Swiftks said:
If it were me, I'd call and talk only to a supervisor. Ask them how they can prove you're thethering. If they give you crap about having xx # of gigs used of data, be like, yeah, i stream movies every night; i didn't think that would be a problem, since i have "unlimited data"!!!!!! How would i be tethering without a tether plan anyway!?!?!? Etc, etc. Make sure to get their name, extension, etc.
Also, tell them if they change your plan, the terms of your contract no longer apply, and you will be dropping said plan in favor of a new carrier, and will not be paying early termination fees.
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Agreed with Swiftks !!!! Pretty much they are changing the TOC. So now you can do whatever you want and walk without paying an early termination fee. Hence , if things got even more complicated where they took the stance and remove your grandfather and not let you go.... BBB.ORG is your friend. Trust me. I did it for something else and I walk with a brand new iPhone 4.

Yea.... i'm pretty sure there'd be a flaw to that way of thinking.
A) You are aware of the data package you purchased, that you have unlimited data but are not permitted to tether on that plan, and they still send out a letter/text notifying you as such
B) You might NOT be aware of your inability to tether on the unlimited plan, and since this is not a part of the plan you've selected under contract, a letter and text message is sent out notifying you of this, and warning you that further use would result in your plan being changed to a plan that supports tethering.
C) They switch your plan after your continued tethering use, after providing fair warning about the changes to be made.
Them breaching your contract by changing something around without your knowing beforehand (can't even really think of an example... sorry), i could see the idea of claiming a breach of the terms of your contract being valid and allowing you to terminate the contract fee-free. However, i'm fairly certain the advanced notification of such action being a result of something you are doing would be less breach of contract by the carrier and more misuse of contracted services by the user.... so you'd probably be SoL from a legal standpoint.
And the BBB? HA! They don't do jack sh*t. I tried that to get a company to follow through on the contract that i signed for a wheel & tire warranty, and they kept circling through the same few excuses that they used when i was simply e-mailing them to try to get them to comply. I had documented proof basically disproving every reason they gave for denying my claim, they were denying my claim based on stuff they said was in the contract that i signed that WASN'T in the contract i signed, and the BBB can't do a damn thing either way. So i'm f*cked out of two rims costing like $625 a piece. They even hired an independent appraiser to inspect my rims to see if they were indeed no longer able to hold a seal with the tire (which would warrant replacement if not able to be repaired), and the guy "wasn't able to find any evidence pointing to this". A little air pressure and a splash of water and you could hear air leaking out from 20 feet away.

elementaldragon said:
Yea.... i'm pretty sure there'd be a flaw to that way of thinking.
A) You are aware of the data package you purchased, that you have unlimited data but are not permitted to tether on that plan, and they still send out a letter/text notifying you as such
B) You might NOT be aware of your inability to tether on the unlimited plan, and since this is not a part of the plan you've selected under contract, a letter and text message is sent out notifying you of this, and warning you that further use would result in your plan being changed to a plan that supports tethering.
C) They switch your plan after your continued tethering use, after providing fair warning about the changes to be made.
Them breaching your contract by changing something around without your knowing beforehand (can't even really think of an example... sorry), i could see the idea of claiming a breach of the terms of your contract being valid and allowing you to terminate the contract fee-free. However, i'm fairly certain the advanced notification of such action being a result of something you are doing would be less breach of contract by the carrier and more misuse of contracted services by the user.... so you'd probably be SoL from a legal standpoint.
And the BBB? HA! They don't do jack sh*t. I tried that to get a company to follow through on the contract that i signed for a wheel & tire warranty, and they kept circling through the same few excuses that they used when i was simply e-mailing them to try to get them to comply. I had documented proof basically disproving every reason they gave for denying my claim, they were denying my claim based on stuff they said was in the contract that i signed that WASN'T in the contract i signed, and the BBB can't do a damn thing either way. So i'm f*cked out of two rims costing like $625 a piece. They even hired an independent appraiser to inspect my rims to see if they were indeed no longer able to hold a seal with the tire (which would warrant replacement if not able to be repaired), and the guy "wasn't able to find any evidence pointing to this". A little air pressure and a splash of water and you could hear air leaking out from 20 feet away.
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Yeah, but the burden of proof is on them... How can they prove you are tethering? Simply stating that you are in the top 5% or whatever is not sufficient IMO.
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I got that notice from AT&T.... I tethered for months, my laptop, my tablet, my ipod, ****, i think i even tethered my roku to it once. Took them a few months for them to noticed, then i got the email, the text, and the letter in the mail.
So I called, and they told me what was going on, so i made up abull**** story about how my nephew plays with my phone and maybe he was enabling the internet. I asked her to if she could put a block on tethering on my account and she said sure, because i didn't want it to occur again, she assured me that my phone will not be able to tether with the block and i said thats awesome, i also asked her to make note on my account of what she was assuring me and she did.
i kept on tethering and i still do to this day. no problems so far.

Swiftks said:
Yeah, but the burden of proof is on them... How can they prove you are tethering? Simply stating that you are in the top 5% or whatever is not sufficient IMO.
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As many have said in other threads relating to tethering and getting caught, it can probably quite easily be tracked in the packet data transmitted through the network. There's more than likely something different about the way the data is handled that basically throws up a red flag that the data is not intended for the network device.

Voicebox said:
Considering you can never get that plan back if they switch it, you should decide how much that's worth to you. If you'll never go over with just the phone, then it won't be that big a loss. If it were me, I'd stop tethering, and keep the unlimited data since the data costs keep bumping up in $5 or $10 increments.
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I think I'm just going to go with this one. This kind of sucks though.
I don't even think the word tethering was in the original contract. Oh well, thanks for all the input.

elementaldragon said:
As many have said in other threads relating to tethering and getting caught, it can probably quite easily be tracked in the packet data transmitted through the network. There's more than likely something different about the way the data is handled that basically throws up a red flag that the data is not intended for the network device.
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Every packet is sent with something like a TTL (I don't think this is exactly right, I'm having a brain fart and google searches are fruitless for me right now). Basically they have a number of acceptable hops. On a cell phone, this number is typically pretty low, on a desktop it's often extremely high. This is why people tethering other mobile devices likely don't get noticed. You can also set that value on a desktop/laptop to one higher than the default on your mobile device and the traffic will appear to have originated from your device.

I'm just wondering, how much data did you use in the month(s) before they sent the message?

I am on AT&T and rarely tether but I was wondering if there are apps or a hack to mask this and make the data packets look as if a smartphone device is actually using the data. I have heard of this but I am not sure of what and which carriers it works with. Does anyone know?

annulation said:
I'm just wondering, how much data did you use in the month(s) before they sent the message?
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Apparently between 2-4 GB. But this whole month, I've been under 1GB - which is funny since this is the month they "caught" me.

This is the key, only tether when you have to. That's the only time I do. When I'm away from my home network and no other possible connection around. The people getting caught are ones who are tethering constantly. Of course they going to see a huge spike in data usage. Spread it out. Especially now with 4g tethering speeds, they will be keeping a close eye. I've found out that I can successfully tether my 4g speeds to my note 10.1 tablet using Foxfi. Neither my SG3 or note 10.1 is rooted or anything. No mods needed to get it to work. I ran speedtests on tethered tablet to sg3 and saw I was getting 4g speeds. Will definitely come in handy when I need it. My data usage normally high anyways with my phone since I have unlimited. So a spike every now and then is nothing..I constantly surf web and sync stuff on my mobile phone. So my data usage is up there on a regular basis.
I think now with faster 4g speeds, more people will get caught because alot more data is flowing. Only tether when you have to. If you tethering on a daily basis as your only means of internet connection(use to be me before I got high speed wireless), they will eventually notice

I got the notice last week - and I haven't tethered since I first got the phone in the beginning of July. It wasn't anything serious, just about 10 minutes of tethering to check emails.
There was about a 2 week period where I didn't have Internet at home since the last tropical storm blew through, so I used my unlimited data to stream Netflix all day and night(on the phone) . I've been under 5gb every month so far, except in July where I used 11gb.
Just know that if they touch my unlimited data I'm taking all 5 of my lines elsewhere...

They look at browser headers (User Agent) to determine if you are tethering (probably among other things). I was NOT tethering and not using over 2gb, but I had my Dolphin browser User Agent set to make my browser look like Windows Firefox to force websites to give me desktop, not mobile versions.
I got nasty threats from ATT to stop tethering. I suspected it was the browser and I made several phone calls to explain. I got nowhere. I stopped using Dolphin and haven't been accused since.

I am always at 5gbs a month then they slow me down once in a while I tether for surf with chrome but its rare , I am supposedly top 5% my ass , before I was on 3rd party employee line using 7-10gbs month.
PS. Solved slow down problem once u hit 5gbs but its pain in the ass to do
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