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Anyone know if it's possible to use MHL in conjunction with a microUSB to USB host adaptor to output to HDMI and access an external USB drive at the same time? That'd make the SGS2 an amazing portable media unit.
No, it is not posible. Its an either/or connection to the micro USB port.
Shame, because as you say that would really be a great thing. MHL consortium are considering a number of improvements to the 2.0 MHL spec, so in future devices this may be a possibility.
So MHL can't be used when I'll plug a USB-Hub?
No, sadly not.
It's a shame - for now I'd prefer micro USB & separate HDMI port so USB can be utilised as well as an external display.
As would I, and a lot of others I suspect.
But you've got 16 GB memory and can copy your stuff to the memory and watch it later via MHL on your Flat? So this is not a big problem, I think
s60mike said:
But you've got 16 GB memory and can copy your stuff to the memory and watch it later via MHL on your Flat? So this is not a big problem, I think
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Yes, but 16Gb of FAT32 and you can't copy a file > 4Gb
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
chizzwhizz said:
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
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Yes, it helps only if your laptop can't play smoothly a HD video
Has anyone got a generic MHL cable to work with the galaxy s 2 yet?
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lufcmattylad said:
Has anyone got a generic MHL cable to work with the galaxy s 2 yet?
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Not that I'm aware of...
I bought one from Ebay and can't really do anything good with it. Display shows briefly for 3-4 seconds on TV then disappears again. Don't know why.....I hope it's not the device itself because I tested 2 phones, they were bought at the same time, but none of them would work correctly....
If by generic you mean a not samsung one or one not dedicated to the SGS2 then i actually use a one, from ebay or someting like that, everything works perfect you just cant forget to plug power to it, and about the not working one, it seems mine gets jammed by gsm signal (i.e. when receiving a call), so from time to time the image disappears in a blink of noise, maybe that is your problem too, try it in airplane mode.
Oh, I think I misread that question - I have actually used a generic one with my SGSII (a prototype from the MHL consortium) and it worked fine!
chizzwhizz said:
I would use allshare to stream the movie or whatever to your phone from a laptop and connect the phone to TV via the MHL HDMI adapter...that way you have access to ur laptop's data without being hardwired to it
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No, you can't, when the MHL is connected, the WiFi stops working, I regret not having bought the Optimus 2x
erebocln said:
No, you can't, when the MHL is connected, the WiFi stops working, I regret not having bought the Optimus 2x
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Uhm no. I've been streaming with WIFI through MHL no problem for MONTHS. Using the Original Samsung MHL connector of course.
I have to put mine in offline mode to be able to use the MHL adapter.....
As for USB-OTG no luck yet.....
On Amazon, Ebay, DealExtrem ... you will find adapters that can do 3 things at a time:
- output HDMI
- let phone work as usb host, so that you can plug kbd, mouse, and external HDD (second wifi card, wired ethernet ...); once you have the usb A plug, just pub a hub
- recharge the phone (what is not possible with the legacy short OTG cable).
+ read memory cards
Such devices are sold as MHL devices. Some MHL devices don't to all that.
Take care. MHLv2 is more complex than MHLv1.
doublehp said:
On Amazon, Ebay, DealExtrem ... you will find adapters that can do 3 things at a time:
- output HDMI
- let phone work as usb host, so that you can plug kbd, mouse, and external HDD (second wifi card, wired ethernet ...); once you have the usb A plug, just pub a hub
- recharge the phone (what is not possible with the legacy short OTG cable).
+ read memory cards
Such devices are sold as MHL devices. Some MHL devices don't to all that.
Take care. MHLv2 is more complex than MHLv1.
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Could you post a link as an example for such a device, that works properly (if you've tested, or you know it works) ?
Thank you
I can post links, but ... I have not tested any of those. And don't know any one personally who tested it.
Cable:
http://www.amazon.com/Juiced-Systems-MHL-Adapter-MicroSDHC/dp/B008CQKM2U
http://www.dx.com/p/5-in-1-micro-us...n-micro-usb-adapter-black-257780#.U8HYDNePul0
Monobloc:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Micro-USB-Ho..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item258600844e
I don't like the monobloc version; I fear it's too heavy, and may help breaking the phone plug.
There are all sorts of OTG and MHL cables. I have seen OTG dongles as short as 4cm (monobloc), with small cable (8cm: 4-8€), with long cable (1.5m .... should be 7 feet), pure HDMI (passive cable, no card reader, 8-12€), VGA (including very cheap HDMI to VGA converter, 20-30€ ... including sound output). In some case, you need to buy accessories (extra power supply, extra uUSB cable, extra HDMI cable). Also seen a very cute hybrid card reader: http://dx.com/p/285865 (I love this product design, and I love this URL syntax )
Don't forget that there can be mistakes in item description.
Here I have described how to build an external battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54036759&postcount=17
On previous phone, I just soldered additional battery to internal one; on my new phone, I will do something more complex, and more flexible.
Loosing power via OTG/MHL is not a fatality. Most phone have an other hidden power input:
généric, that uses the USB plug:
http://www.dx.com/p/reverse-qi-wire...arger-receiver-for-micro-usb-cellphone-312805
TRIPLE CHECK POLARITY; I took the wrong one; have to fold the cable.
So ... even if your OTG/MHL module takes power from your USB, and can not recharge your phone, the specific shell can charge your phone the other way So, you need to build an internal specific module:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK7PRJ4SiK0
S2 specific back shell, so called receiver:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-newest-wireless-charger-for-samsung-galaxy-s2/1266101036.html
http://www.exportprive.com/en/batte...reless-charger-set-for-samsung-galaxy-s2.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/QI-Wireless-Charger-for-Samsung-Galaxy_821969998.html?s=p
The SGS2 is not designed to accept wireless chargers, so, you have two options:
- solder and take the pins out (cf youtube) (do not solder coild to battery, or you could overcharge the batt, and burn your phone ... I mean, physically set fire)
- find an item that includes back shell + specific battery (exportprive)
Many recent phones have the internal connectors, so you just need to change the back-cover. In this case, the software will be able to know the charger is wireless (as opposed to AC, and USB; advanced battery tools will show those 3 possibilities). I believe the motherboard for my HTC One M8 is designed to have those pins, but I can't find the specific cover yet (maybe in a few months); only found it for M7.
I've already ordered the Mine Keyboard and the Adapter to later know that atrix uses a micro USB...
this is the adapter:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-conversor-usb-a-fmea-para-mini-usb-macho-_JM
Sure it doesnt fit in atrix. but.. if i buy this?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-para-micro-usb-motorola-moto-q11-cpmt018-_JM
and then convert micro to mini then mini to usb normal? would i be able to plug a keyboard? Thanks
or even buy this new one?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-195555339-conversor-usb-femea-para-micro-usb-_JM
Lordareon said:
I've already ordered the Mine Keyboard and the Adapter to later know that atrix uses a micro USB...
this is the adapter:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-conversor-usb-a-fmea-para-mini-usb-macho-_JM
Sure it doesnt fit in atrix. but.. if i buy this?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-para-micro-usb-motorola-moto-q11-cpmt018-_JM
and then convert micro to mini then mini to usb normal? would i be able to plug a keyboard? Thanks
or even buy this new one?
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-195555339-conversor-usb-femea-para-micro-usb-_JM
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you will not be able to plug in a USB peripheral (mouse, keyboard) directly into the phone. it will not work.
you can, however, purchase a +5V powered USB hub (that plugs into the wall), and use that to plug into the phone and plug your KB/mouse into the hub, and it should work. you can find such hubs at www.dealextreme.com
to further answer your question, USB-___USB converters will work as long as the converters have all four lines hooked up. many converters are 'power-only' where only the power/ground lines are connected and the other two lines (data) are not.
So if i buy an ordinary pc hub that connects to power and the plug usb-to-microusb, it will work?
Well let it alone, ill buy a Bluetooth keyboard, will spare time and cables and converters ahahha
The Micro USB plug must be OTG (USB ON THE GO) or your phone won't recognize the peripheral. Also the advice given was correct, the phone USB port can't provide power to a peripheral device and so you must use a powered hub in between the phone and the peripheral device.
A USB OTG has pin 5 and pin 4 tied together in the Micro USB connector end to tell the phone to invoke OTG mode.
Lordareon: yea... if you'd go the wired route, you'd need a powered USB hub, since the Atrix's micro-USB port doesn't work as a host port. It doesn't provide power to external devices.
elementaldragon said:
Lordareon: yea... if you'd go the wired route, you'd need a powered USB hub, since the Atrix's micro-USB port doesn't work as a host port. It doesn't provide power to external devices.
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already been stated twice.
Hi i wonder where i can buy a microusb splitter for my phone so that i can use, both usb keyboard and hdmi cable together. I just tried keyboard+mouse using a usb hub, and it worked fine...
does it even exist?
Sorry, but this can't work. When the phone is putting out HDMI, the USB can't be used as it takes the same connector pins. You can do what you want with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but sorry, not with wired.
try to find the smallest hub there is, that's the closest you will get to a usb splitter that works. Just splitting will never work, the signals have to be divided with some intelligence.
/edit... never mind didn't read the MHL/HDMI part... don't think that will work
I am also intrested in this topic. I want to plug in the HDMI cable and s remote controler. I want to use my phone as a media center.
tomig64 said:
I am also intrested in this topic. I want to plug in the HDMI cable and s remote controler. I want to use my phone as a media center.
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You flat out can't; it is a limitation of the more common MHL implementation, and the Galaxy Nexus uses this MHL implementation.
Samsung had to use a new kind of MHL connection for the Galaxy S 3 to make this exact scenario possible.
*edit* You can plug in an HDMI cable and use a bluetooth remote, though, if that might work for your needs.
Has anyone found a MHL cable that also includes a USB OTG port? Samsung reportedly changed from a 5-pin configuration to an 11-pin configuration to allow MHL with USB Host mode simultaneously. Perhaps for a future Desktop Mode?
Has anyone been able to find one of these cables?
Just wanted to update, I believe I found the type of connector that I was looking for, but it is missing HDMI and it is sold out. This essentially could give you PC type connectivity on the S3.
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
I think we still have a bit of a wait. What you found is essentially a USB OTG hub with some card readers built in. I seriously doubt this will pass through the pins for HDMI to work out of the usb port. We'll see something when this phone finally launches everywhere. It's not even out in the US officially yet
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
kynolin said:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
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I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
I'm looking for a dock with USB OTG, charging and MHL. Maybe some day.
I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
kthung said:
I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
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for me at least i already have several keyboards and mice ... none are bluetooth.
I'm looking for the cheapest option available.
I'm just hoping someone releases a cable with 4 plugs:
Male MHL - To Phone Obviously
Female MicroUSB: To plug in charger
Female HDMI - To Display
Female USB - To USB Device
That's all I want... should cost less than $2 to make, just sell it for $20 and I'd be happy.
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I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
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hi v8bait, are you able to get data thru the micro usb port at the side of the 11-pin mhl adapter? i was thinking of using the motorola lapdock with my s3 thru the mhl adaptor (other then a micro hdmi male connector, the lapdock also has a micro usb male connector that apparently send out power as well as push keyboard/trackpad data upstream) - if it works, we can have an inexpensive "clambook"
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
romulusram said:
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
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I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
macdroid01 said:
I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
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We're in the same boat; i want to use the s3 like a mini computer too. I think it'd be great for business travel, when i dont really need a laptop during the day but want something when i'm back in hotel room. I'd much rather use hotel TV instead of a laptop because that's what i am used to at home... pc hooked to TV.
I've been planning to use the allshare cast dongle too, but they dont seem to be available yet. I was thinking HDMI out with the allshare.. charging with the wireless charging kit and then keyboard and mouse with USB OTG. My logitech unifying receiver for keyboard/mouse works perfectly i just need the wireless charging and allshare dongle to be released.
For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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Wait so your saying you tried a (a) powered USB hub with a OTG cable connected to the phone or you tried a (b) powered USB hub connected with a OTG cable to the MHL adapter and then to the phone?
If it was (a) then there are some vids out there of ppl using powered USB hubs.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
I'm puzzled that there aren't any more postings about this kind of stuff. I was expecting the GS3 to be easy to use as a "PC" replacement but it seems no one besides us few wanted to do that ? A simple cable should have done it but I'd even be willing to shell out 40-50$ for a decent dock that would do just that
romulusram said:
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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Me too.
But it is possible to get that this way working:
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S3 -> Mobile Fun Connection Kit -> microusb -> HDTV Adapter TIP (5 to 11 Pin Converter) -> MHL HDMI adapter
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-> USB -> keyboard etc.
Links
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EPL-FU10BEGSTA
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
romulusram said:
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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I have the official MHL adapter and there is no female USB port on it for OTG
badbeat33 said:
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
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You are not reading it right.
they want to use the MHL adapter, too.
As far as i can tell, the MHL adapter needs to be in the phone, not a hub. it is all dictated (the output being OTG, or MHL) by the impedance of what is plugged in. It is an either or situation.
Perhaps with a firmware update they MIGHT be able to run both signals and split it.. but i doubt it.
USB-C to USB-A OTG Cable -
Not able to power a simple external USB MSata Drive or External USB HDD - I plug these drives into a LG V10 or a Galaxy S8 and work perfectly fine. What gives? I have only able to get a flash drive to work.
Any known work a rounds? Anyone else try this?
Thanks,
No answers for this?
XE-Cherokee said:
No answers for this?
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I tried this just now and am shocked it doesn't work either.
I wonder if OTG power support was removed due to the decrease in battery size? Has anyone tried OTG "audio output", say through a device like the audioquest dragonfly, to see if that works??
Amd4life said:
I wonder if OTG power support was removed due to the decrease in battery size?
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I don't think so, since the notification that pops up when I connect 32 GB ADATA USB 3.0 flash drive -> USB 2.0 A female to micro-B male OTG cable -> micro-B female to USB-C male adapter -> Z2F says the Z2F is providing power to the connected device. The problem is you can't do anything else BUT that.
Amd4life said:
Has anyone tried OTG "audio output", say through a device like the audioquest dragonfly, to see if that works??
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I'm wondering this myself. The fact that the Z2F outputs analog audio over USB-C leads to me to believe that it isn't fully USB-compliant.* Both the HTC U11 and Google Pixel 2 output digital audio, which, based on Google's crowing about USB-PD and the existence of devices like the dragonfly, appears to be the right way to do things (albeit with the tradeoff of more expensive audio peripherals, which much now have their own onboard decoding hardware.)
*Can anyone with knowledge of the USB spec comment on this?
BTW, I started a support thread about this at the official forum, where it's received several replies and suggestions from a mod. Kindly chime in there too so Lenovo can see this is a real issue they need to address.
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Amd4life said:
Has anyone tried OTG "audio output", say through a device like the audioquest dragonfly, to see if that works??
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So based on this Motorola mod post and the OP's statement that USB-C flash drives work, the Z2F and Z have the same (lack of? LOL) OTG functionality. The Moto Z subreddit has a pretty extensive thread about Moto Z DAC functionality; it appears the Dragonfly is supported, among others.
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Interesting development: another Motorola Forms mod now says powered USB hubs are rumored to work. We're making progress, folks.
Okay fellas,
I so far have been able to get certain drives to work and others not! I have tried 2 different USB-C to USB-A cables and get the same results, 1st ones an HP cable and 2nds an Anker USB-C to USB 3.1 Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01COOQIKU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have been able to get a 256gb M2Sata Drive, 500gb WD Mypassport, and a 2TB Mypassport to read.
I also have a 256gb MSata Drive that will not power up or read without using a powered usb hub. However the Msata Drive will read without an added powered HUB. On the Samsung and LG Devices.
Only thing I can think of is that certain drives have higher amperage that the Moto Z2 simply cannot push through its USB-C Port.
Good to know it isn't just me experiencing broken USB OTG support.
I've got a PS3, PS4, and Xbox one controller I hook up with USB OTG. Normally it's as simple as plug n play and I'm good to go. However, that doesn't seem to be the case here. I can still pair the PS3/4 controllers in sixaxis just fine and get power to the PS3/4 and Xbox one controllers. And yes, that bit about supply power to device rather than transfer and you can't pick something else, happens to me too. Sometimes I can plug my thumb drive in and I can explore through the storage file explorer, but I usually have better luck with an app called X-Plore.
This one time I even had said thumb drive take out my entire OS to the point where I had to use that June ROM to reset me back to start. Spoiler alert: I kept getting "Android.process.acore keeps crashing" over and over; various other apps kept crashing as well.
On a side note if I can at least get PS3/4 controllers to work for a long time within say, sixaxis (or similar) I'd appreciate any tips. Otherwise I either gotta wait for this to be solved in a future upgrade, future sixaxis, or when we start getting custom ROMs..
XE-Cherokee said:
Okay fellas,
I so far have been able to get certain drives to work and others not! I have tried 2 different USB-C to USB-A cables and get the same results, 1st ones an HP cable and 2nds an Anker USB-C to USB 3.1 Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01COOQIKU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have been able to get a 256gb M2Sata Drive, 500gb WD Mypassport, and a 2TB Mypassport to read.
I also have a 256gb MSata Drive that will not power up or read without using a powered usb hub. However the Msata Drive will read without an added powered HUB. On the Samsung and LG Devices.
Only thing I can think of is that certain drives have higher amperage that the Moto Z2 simply cannot push through its USB-C Port.
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This is excellent information, thanks a lot man.
So FYI I tried the Anker adapter @XE-Cherokee linked to and it worked perfectly. That seems to be the solution for now.
XE-Cherokee said:
Okay fellas,
I so far have been able to get certain drives to work and others not! I have tried 2 different USB-C to USB-A cables and get the same results, 1st ones an HP cable and 2nds an Anker USB-C to USB 3.1 Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01COOQIKU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have been able to get a 256gb M2Sata Drive, 500gb WD Mypassport, and a 2TB Mypassport to read.
I also have a 256gb MSata Drive that will not power up or read without using a powered usb hub. However the Msata Drive will read without an added powered HUB. On the Samsung and LG Devices.
Only thing I can think of is that certain drives have higher amperage that the Moto Z2 simply cannot push through its USB-C Port.
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Appreciate the heads up, to confirm this adapter works perfect with my external drives, and as an added plus, also my external DAP/amps for audio playback.
Amd4life said:
Appreciate the heads up, to confirm this adapter works perfect with my external drives, and as an added plus, also my external DAP/amps for audio playback.
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This is huge, thanks!
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This is huge, thanks!
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The latest Neutron and USB Audio Player Pro will output bitperfect (non upsampled) audio perfectly to both my portable DAC/amp units.
USB Audio Player pro, has the benefit that you can stream tidal native, bitperfect if you have an acct. Which is awesome imo. Tidal still buffers SUPER slow on this device though. So I'd recommended only offline use (which you CANT do with USB audio player pro due to licensing)
I would also add that I get some scratchiness out of the stock USB C to 3.5mm dongle that came with the phone. I thought it was the port being "dirty",. but I have NO NOISE out of the USB audio output using the Anker otg cable. Maybe Anker makes a USB c to 3.5mm adapter.
One tip for getting USB powered OTG drives to work is to use as short a USB cable as possible. Like get a good quality 1ft USB cable. I used to have a similar problem with using an external drive on a Wii and found that a 1ft cable would allow me to use 2 different drives that otherwise would not work with a 6ft cable.
It worked!
I used a USB 2.0/type C adapter that cames with s8 and instead the original USB 3.0 cable, put another adapter, and transferred files with Total Commander.
On this subject but kinda off topic. How are you all getting your drives mounted? I cannot mount NTFS or fat32 drives. Only ext3/4 drives.
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I used a USB 2.0/type C adapter that cames with s8 and instead the original USB 3.0 cable, put another adapter, and transferred files with Total Commander.
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Yep, basically you created a 2 inch cable. LOL.
In essence, many USB powered hard drives approach the power limit of what the USB port can output. Power drops over the length of a USB cable, so longer cables may not provide sufficient power for the drive to function correctly. Better quality cables usually have less power drop, though it is not a guarantee.
Unfortunately most USB powered drives do not list their power requirements. The only way to really tell is to open the case for the USB drive and look at the hard drive inside it to find how many amps it draws. For the best compatibility you want the lowest amps.
I don't think that's otg power issue. I think it is locked by Moto becuase they want you to use their add-on devices. I have a wifi camera it doesn't work either, But it works in my all other phones
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I don't think that's otg power issue. I think it is locked by Moto becuase they want you to use their add-on devices. I have a wifi camera it doesn't work either, But it works in my all other phones
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Just because an add-on device works for one USB OTG implementation doesn't mean that it works on all USB OTG implementations. There is an enumeration of what devices and types are accepted. I have tested USB OTG audio microphones, USB OTG audio speakers, USB OTG Headphones, USB OTG Ethernet, USB OTG Keyboards, USB OTG Flash drives and those device types work. If there is no device driver for the device attached then it would need to be supplied by an app. OTG power drain is definitely an issue and is mentioned in the OTG specifications.
That's what I tried to say. It is locked by Moto. They want you to use their add-on mod. I have tried extrenal usb c endoscope camera, wifi endoscope camera, lg wireleas projector, Samsung projector. None of them work with Moto. However, the same apps work in all other phones. It is clear to see, it is not all otg related all the time or driver which provided by app. It could be just locked by Moto, becuase they want use to use their mod add-on. People who rooted the phone was able to turn on those supports.
I use a Belkin OTG adapter, it worked but it was extremely picky. The Built in files app only picked up my HDD if it was either Fat32 or exfat. But the ES File Explorer app only picked up NTFS.