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Will the XL have just good or great battery life ?

I will say this, I'll bet the Pixel XL, actually will have pretty good battery life.
I briefly had the LG G5 and HTC 10, which use the SD820 + 4GB RAM, and both were rooted and ROM'd, and shockingly they both gave me some very impressive battery life for those sized phones.
And with the Pixel having similar hardware, and underclocked SD821 ( being a good thing ). And running Android 7.1 with the better Doze than what those above MM phones had, and the larger 3,450mAh battery, I'm betting the Pixel XL does great for battery life.
My Nexus 6P is no better than my old Note 5 battery wise. Even though the N5 had a smaller battery my 6P just matches it, doesn't best it. I get ok battery life on my 6P. With kernel tweaks and everything maximized, I get like 5.5h ScreenOn time. And that's with the phone heavily modified to give best battery life, and it's good, but not amazing or great.
Here's hoping the Pixel XL offers some great battery life.

I think a lot of 2015 phones batteries were really bad because the SD808 and SD810 chips. Didn't they have some serious issue with destroying battery life? I owned the 6p for about 5 months, but finally got rid of it because I couldn't take the battery life anymore. It was just horrendous for the battery size. Turned me off of Google and Android for a bit. There's no reason why it should have been that bad, unless of course the 810 chips were just bad. I'm in the same boat as you. The Pixel XL is really my last hope in Google and Android.
I'm very particular about battery life, and I'm hoping the battery life on the Pixel XL is not just good, but great. I see no reason why it shouldn't be. I mean come on, you're running the latest software, on a device made specifically for it, which they keep barking about everything being "built in". They're using an under clocked 821. The only reason I can see it for eating battery is if they keep data collection services running 24/7, which I imagine they might want to do, since it's their first real Google phone, and they'll want to collect as much information as possible. Or perhaps the assistant will eat away at the battery for some reason. To be honest, I'm sceptical about the Pixel XL battery life ever since I got burned by the 6p.
It frustrates me that I have to install a custom rom to get a battery life the phone is capable of. My latest phone is the S7 Edge, which was getting me about 4 hours of SOT. I threw a custom rom on there that not only improves function and performance, but also provides me with 8.5 hours of SOT with the same usage patterns. Why? It's just not right. Why can't the multibillion dollar companies, employing the best engineers and software developers in the world provide a better OS and battery out of the box than 90% of the roms posted on this site?
Now we wait on benchmarks and reviews.

I, too, am concerned about the battery life. I'm coming from a Nexus 6 which I've always gotten decent battery with -- around 4.5 hours SOT. I'm really hoping the Pixel can push that to 5.5 or even 6.
I was recently gifted an LG v10 and the battery life on that thing was horrid. About 2 hours SOT. Here's hoping Google works some magic!

Had Nexus 6, Note 7, the Pixel will have phenomenal battery life.
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neyenlives said:
Had Nexus 6, Note 7, the Pixel will have phenomenal battery life.
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Sources? Or are you just speculating?

As Frankiefaithful said the 821 is clocked no higher than the 820 and I'd like to think that is in the name of improving battery efficiency by lowering the voltage and thermal throttle. I hope there are many other software optimisations since they've spent most of their time and effort on software, I understand that Google worked closely with Qualcomm on the pixel so there may very well be many improvements in the OS to run the processor efficiently. Furthermore given that the battery is the same size as the 6P, the screen slightly smaller and all the above specualtions I would hope the battery is going to be Incredible.
The guy on reddit who had all his posts deleted said he was at 5hrs SOT with 53% left after a heap of benchmarks. I take this with a pinch of salt but it could be a good sign.

Pretty good article chronicalling what has been found so far.
https://verdictforu.com/2016/10/17/google-pixel-battery-life-seems-as-good-as-expected/

[whops, wrong thread, sry]

Buddyfunlove said:
Pretty good article chronicalling what has been found so far.
https://verdictforu.com/2016/10/17/google-pixel-battery-life-seems-as-good-as-expected/
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Good find. Thanks.
It does look promising. All I know is, right now I'm averaging 8 hours of SOT on the S7 Edge (with my usage). That's 8 hours of just browsing on chrome using LTE, nothing else except a bit ( about 1 hour a day) of music playback using Google Play Music on LTE with the screen off. Also location is set on high and Bluetooth is on, and screen brightness between a quarter and half through out the day.
The Pixel XL should be able to accomplish at least that. I don't see why it shouldn't. The Pixel XL has 150mah less battery than the S7 Edge, so maybe a tiny bit less battery life would make sense. Another difference is the Snapdragon vs the Exynos. Either way, you're talking about Google's first phone, I hope they impress.
I'll have my hands on one this week, and I'll start posting all kinds of stuff regarding battery life. It what I'm most passionate about when it comes to smartphones. You'll get the real deal benchmarks and real usage tests when I'm through with it.

jal3223 said:
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I owned them all?
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the XL has a pretty meaty battery unless something is off it should have good battery life. I was getting a day of normal use and ending on about 50% on my note 7 (dropped to about 45% if I forgot to put it on charge overnight) Note was 3500 and Pixel XL is 3450 so if google has made it properly it should have a strong battery life. (altho my Note was an Exynos chip and they generally use less power than SD)

It will have after EX puts out a kernel.

Still a good idea buy a Pixel 2XL?

Hello Guys,
I'm going to USA in september, unfortunately I'll back to Brazil before the Pixel 3 launch.
Import from things in Brazil it's expensive, then I'll buy a cellphone in my travel, but I don't know if I buy a Pixel 2 XL or a Galaxy S9.
I'm would like to know if still worth it a Pixel 2XL.
Thanks.

Arbigaus said:
Hello Guys,
I'm going to USA in september, unfortunately I'll back to Brazil before the Pixel 3 launch.
Import from things in Brazil it's expensive, then I'll buy a cellphone in my travel, but I don't know if I buy a Pixel 2 XL or a Galaxy S9.
I'm would like to know if still worth it a Pixel 2XL.
Thanks.
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Pixel 2XL all the way.

Here's the latest similar XDA thread with info here

That's a good reference galaxys pointed you to. I sold my P2XL and bought an S9+. I won't say it was a HUGE mistake but if we weren't a few months from the P3 I'd sell the Samsung & get another Pixel. I liked it a lot, looking forward to the next one.

Pixel all the way. Had before S8 plus, and this one is spaceship for battery, smoothness and camera wow!

Robi959 said:
Pixel all the way. Had before S8 plus, and this one is spaceship for battery, smoothness and camera wow!
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How does the two companies in battery life

dieselhazza said:
How does the two companies in battery life
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My Mrs has the S8+ which is definitely a very nice device. Beautiful screen and hardware. However, when it comes to battery life compared to my P2XL, it's not even close. On average, she'll get about 4-5 hours of SOT a day, and be at about 20-30% of battery left in the tank after about 16 hours of up time, so she charges it up every night. My P2XL will average 8-12 hours of SOT over close to 48 hours of up time. Having said all that, we use our devices differently. I don't do any social media at all, she uses instafacegraham:silly: from time to time, and talks a fair amount to family. There are times as well where she gets random battery drain for no apparent reason, and the Sammy bloatware apps always seem to be doing something in the background. Granted, the 8+ isn't rooted like my P2XL, so she can't use TiBu or My Android Tools or magisk modules to turn things off. She also likes the fancy AOD clocks and themes that show up on the lock screen, which I think definitely sucks more juice, but they do look nice. So I reckon it all comes down to what you like and how you use your device, I will also say that with the more aggressive edge display of Sammy, that the cases that are available don't protect very well if you drop it on the screen. She's been lucky so far with most all of her drops being on carpet, whereas I've dropped mine a dozen or so times on concrete, but the Caseology vault series case I use has done a stellar job of keeping my device and screen in tact. So there is my opinion of the 2 devices. In the end, I prefer function over flash. So...the P2XL all the way :good:

I'd had both. I sold my p2xl for a s9+. Went back to the pixel 2xl. Here's what I can tell you...The sammy had a better screen, messages and dialer were million times better (they actually tell you who is texting you or calling you), internet browser is better, and theme engine (which I used the Android P beta one on it and loved it). The pixel...updates and better camera. Battery life was similiar between the two. The samsung had much better bluetooth ability in my truck (my pixel skips and **** in the truck). No need for a dongle for a headset. BUT...my unlocked Sammsy was on Feb update (which they JUST updated now). So, it's really a personal pick. I miss my sammy, but I like knowing I'm on the latest security patch too. And the unlock button is still miles better than the sammy.

Badger50 said:
My Mrs has the S8+ which is definitely a very nice device. Beautiful screen and hardware. However, when it comes to battery life compared to my P2XL, it's not even close. On average, she'll get about 4-5 hours of SOT a day, and be at about 20-30% of battery left in the tank after about 16 hours of up time, so she charges it up every night. My P2XL will average 8-12 hours of SOT over close to 48 hours of up time. Having said all that, we use our devices differently. I don't do any social media at all, she uses instafacegraham:silly: from time to time, and talks a fair amount to family. There are times as well where she gets random battery drain for no apparent reason, and the Sammy bloatware apps always seem to be doing something in the background. Granted, the 8+ isn't rooted like my P2XL, so she can't use TiBu or My Android Tools or magisk modules to turn things off. She also likes the fancy AOD clocks and themes that show up on the lock screen, which I think definitely sucks more juice, but they do look nice. So I reckon it all comes down to what you like and how you use your device, I will also say that with the more aggressive edge display of Sammy, that the cases that are available don't protect very well if you drop it on the screen. She's been lucky so far with most all of her drops being on carpet, whereas I've dropped mine a dozen or so times on concrete, but the Caseology vault series case I use has done a stellar job of keeping my device and screen in tact. So there is my opinion of the 2 devices. In the end, I prefer function over flash. So...the P2XL all the way :good:
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Whattt 8 to 12 hours of SOT. What do you do to get that kind of battery life?
Also how do you think the P20 Pro compares to the Pixel 2 XL in battery life and usability etc?

dieselhazza said:
Whattt 8 to 12 hours of SOT. What do you do to get that kind of battery life?
Also how do you think the P20 Pro compares to the Pixel 2 XL in battery life and usability etc?
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I'm mostly just a browser and contributor on XDA. I don't use social media, or watch a lot of YouTube, and the phone gets to sleep quite a bit since I'm retired and it's not always moving on my person. As far as the P20 goes, I have no idea since I've never used it

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I'm mostly just a browser and contributor on XDA. I don't use social media, or watch a lot of YouTube, and the phone gets to sleep quite a bit since I'm retired and it's not always moving on my person. As far as the P20 goes, I have no idea since I've never used it
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Regardless how phone is used 12 hours of SOT is insane.
You must have rooted and modified it because I don't see how else this is possible.

dieselhazza said:
Regardless how phone is used 12 hours of SOT is insane.
You must have rooted and modified it because I don't see how else this is possible.
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Oh I'm definitely rooted! There's a magisk module I use to knock down some of the 4,674 background services that google play services uses(sarcasm:silly)and I use another app called My Android Tools to stop a few others. But honestly, it's mostly all about usage patterns, signal, wifi, brightness, and lack of movement that gives me those numbers. I'm the rarity, not the norm

If I wasn't on Verizon now, I would be with OnePlus still, or even considered moving to something like the Xiomi Mix 2S, which supports VZW, that was just released.
OnePlus Deb support and path they are taking is really nice. Loved my 5T.
My only real complaint with the Pixel 2 XL is the fat and thick edges and feel compared to Samsing and OnePlus, and a few other phones today. It feels dated right after release IMO compared to competitors and chunky in hand.
Otherwise, Pixel 2 still a great choice.

Keep current used 2XL or go to a 3a/XL?

Last week I bought a 2XL 64gb for £90. The screen is heavily scratched, which bothers me a bit and the battery seems a bit shot. I also have issues with the cell reception as it seems to get 3G or sometimes nothing in most of the places my Moto Z Play gets 4G. It is a nice quick phone, but it is not perfect for me... Plus I am missing the headphone jack a lot.
My question is, would it make much sense to sell the 2XL on again as I can sell it for what I paid for it, or more. Then go out and get a 3a XL or just a regular 3a?
Will I lose out on anything from the 2XL? I like the super smooth performance and good camera. The battery life sometimes seems good, but then it'll sometimes drain extremely fast. I just want stable and reliable really.
Any suggestions?

Honestly at this point, I'd wait it out until the 4a is announced/available (if available in your area). If nothing else, it should at least drive down the pricing for the 3a/XL even more. (Announcement/Release should be May 12th)

Ah okay, good to know. I would've thought it'd be available in the UK.
Only a few months to go I suppose!

gman88667733 said:
Ah okay, good to know. I would've thought it'd be available in the UK.
Only a few months to go I suppose!
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Also UK based. For what it's worth I just went from a Pixel 2 to 3A XL, mainly for the battery life. I've not really noticed what is I think a weaker processor (I don't play games), and really like the phone. I got it when Google were doing a Black Friday deal on them. If we don't get a 4a XL, I'm not sure what it will do to the current 3a XL price when the 4a (non-XL) comes out. At the end of the day, I'm thinking the 3a XL will do me until its 'only' 4GB RAM becomes a problem. If you get a good deal on the 3a XL now, you have to ask how much it will likely change when the 4a appears and whether the difference is worth a few more months enjoyment of the 3a XL right now...

Interesting....
After a little longer with it, my 2 XL is growing on me. It's so smooth and fast, the battery has improved I think, I'm not struggling to get through the day. Most days I can be on track to get 6 hours SOT when on mostly 4G.
Reception is the biggest issue really, it is very good at my work, which is the main thing, but a couple of places I know id usually have a good reception, it struggles.
If a 3a XL comes up for £200ish, id give it a go. But given I only paid £90 for this 2XL, I can't see how I'd be getting 300% of the value, if you see what I mean?
I don't play games, I just use YouTube and a few other light apps. Mostly media consumption really. So the phone is rarely taxed.
Edit - currently at 60% with 2.5 hours SOT. That's with average usage, YouTube, iPlayer, scrolling on Chrome for a bit.

Question Pixel 6 Pro 5005 mAh vs. iPhone 13 Pro Max 4352 mAh

I'm trying to decide between these two and and battery life (SOT) will be the deciding factor for me. I've never owned an iPhone or a Pixel before so I'm not sure what to expect with the Pro's battery life while the Max has been getting universal accolades for its SOT. I've always been an android guy (galaxy notes mostly) and don't like apple (variety of reasons) but the new 13 pro max has set the standard when it comes to hardware with the best camera & video capabilities and now battery life so I'm reluctantly considering it.
I understand in some ways it's not fair to compare these two flagships considering their price difference so I don't expect the 6 pro to match the Max toe to toe with and that's ok. Since they both utilize an LTPO display though I guess it all comes down to software utilization when it comes to their SOT. On paper and looking at the battery specs- the 6 pro should wipe the floor with the Pro Max but since I've never owned a google phone I'm not sure how that'll translate in real life.
Past Pixel and future 6 Pro owners- what are your expectations when it comes to battery life/ SOT once you get your 6 Pros? Do you expect to come close to a full 2 days battery life before having to charge it? If anyone has owned/ will own both please feel free to share your your SOT experience and which one you feel is better.
In short will the Pixel 6 Pro match or even exceed the 13 Pro Max's battery life?
Thanks!

Android over IOS for me any day,daughter has iPhone 13 pro ,be carefully some features only available if you buy the larger storage options

Wait till the reviews on monday

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Android over IOS for me any day,daughter has iPhone 13 pro ,be carefully some features only available if you buy the larger storage options
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you mean for the iphone 13 pro has limited features due to large storage?

dj24 said:
I'm trying to decide between these two and and battery life (SOT) will be the deciding factor for me. I've never owned an iPhone or a Pixel before so I'm not sure what to expect with the Pro's battery life while the Max has been getting universal accolades for its SOT. I've always been an android guy (galaxy notes mostly) and don't like apple (variety of reasons) but the new 13 pro max has set the standard when it comes to hardware with the best camera & video capabilities and now battery life so I'm reluctantly considering it.
I understand in some ways it's not fair to compare these two flagships considering their price difference so I don't expect the 6 pro to match the Max toe to toe with and that's ok. Since they both utilize an LTPO display though I guess it all comes down to software utilization when it comes to their SOT. On paper and looking at the battery specs- the 6 pro should wipe the floor with the Pro Max but since I've never owned a google phone I'm not sure how that'll translate in real life.
Past Pixel and future 6 Pro owners- what are your expectations when it comes to battery life/ SOT once you get your 6 Pros? Do you expect to come close to a full 2 days battery life before having to charge it? If anyone has owned/ will own both please feel free to share your your SOT experience and which one you feel is better.
In short will the Pixel 6 Pro match or even exceed the 13 Pro Max's battery life?
Thanks!
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Gapps, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to battery life. With a little bit of effort and root, you can tame them to a significant degree. With some determination, you can replace them entirely with something that is more supportive of your freedom (I've *completely* replaced all goog with a self-hosted instance of Nextcloud and I don't install gapps -- not even microG).
But here is the thing about battery life. Its not even reasonable to measure it in ways its usually presented, because what it really comes down to is (a) usage, and (b) network connection. Screen on, but doing nothing, will use a lot less battery than screen on, and running video gamez.
As far as camera and video capabilities go... apple people will praise apple. Look for INDEPENDENT and CRITICAL reviews to get something more honest. I really doubt that they have anything on the P6's. Google's been ahead in photography for years now, and its really burning the fruit company since in the before-time, its the ONLY thing they actually had. Now they don't even have that.

lucky_strike33 said:
you mean for the iphone 13 pro has limited features due to large storage?
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Yes if you get the standard storage the cinematic mode doesn't record in 4k ,there's a couple of other little things like that

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Yes if you get the standard storage the cinematic mode doesn't record in 4k ,there's a couple of other little things like that
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Without really giving a crap, I'm going to guess that they are going to claim that its because the flash chips are in RAID-0 so won't be fast enough without the bigger (more chips) option.

96carboard said:
Gapps, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to battery life. With a little bit of effort and root, you can tame them to a significant degree. With some determination, you can replace them entirely with something that is more supportive of your freedom (I've *completely* replaced all goog with a self-hosted instance of Nextcloud and I don't install gapps -- not even microG).
But here is the thing about battery life. Its not even reasonable to measure it in ways its usually presented, because what it really comes down to is (a) usage, and (b) network connection. Screen on, but doing nothing, will use a lot less battery than screen on, and running video gamez.
As far as camera and video capabilities go... apple people will praise apple. Look for INDEPENDENT and CRITICAL reviews to get something more honest. I really doubt that they have anything on the P6's. Google's been ahead in photography for years now, and its really burning the fruit company since in the before-time, its the ONLY thing they actually had. Now they don't even have that.
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I agree with most of what you said. Pixels have undoubtedly been the camera champs maybe equaled by more recent Huawei flagships. However there's no question that iPhones have had the best video quality of any one out there for a while now. This is all here and there and I don't really care that much anymore because the gap isn't that big unless you're an enthusiast or someone zooming or pixel peeping (which I'm not... for the most part }
I also agree with you about apps in general but you can nowadays put them in deep sleep so they barely use any in the background for the most part. I don't use a lot of apps but it's interesting since you bring up a good point as to whether ios does a better job than android when it comes to battery optimization. I'll have to do more research on that.
I think different companies like Motorolla, Realme and others have great battery optimization while the mainstream ones less so. Now Apple seems to have made a leap in this regard too. Gsmarena has a great tool to measure overall battery life and just look at this list where android phones (mostly not found stateside) dominate.

Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.

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Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.
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That's why they call it Iphonie!

Why bother so much about the battery if both phones have a fast charger!!

DinarQ8 said:
Why bother so much about the battery if both phones have a fast charger!!
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Because youre not always near a plug socket

hello00 said:
Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.
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You're right but talking strictly flagship they've been incrementally improving since the 11 Pro Max. The 13 Pro Max has taken a drastic step forward even more so where I feel mainstream android in general (like Samsung) have to respond or they're going to lose potentially more people like me.
Anyways I see so far no one is predicting how the 6 pro's battery life will compare to the 13 max Pro.
I'll take a leap and say I think the tensor chip coupled with the LTPO display with google's clean android overlay will match the iphone 13 max's battery life

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In this COVID day and age where everyone is staying home mostly- not so much. But once you start going outside more you'll need it. Especially if you're an outdoors person like me.
I'm still nostalgic for the days where i use to carry 1 or 2 extra batteries in my wallet and pop off the back to switch them out which literally took 5 seconds. There was a time during a camping trip back in the day when out in the middle of nowhere, everyone's phone died after the first day. Everyone used mine for the next few days. I got lucky when a certain gorgeous gal walked in my tent in the middle of the night to use it and decided to stay after.... aah those were the days
Sorry... friday afternoon and I just popped open my 4th beer

The iPhone 12 lineup has problems with its quick battery drain as compared to other models. The 13 has improved quite a bit, but still not on pair with the s21u

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The iPhone 12 lineup has problems with its quick battery drain as compared to other models. The 13 has improved quite a bit, but still not on pair with the s21u
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Wait, you can't be serious? The S21 ultra can't hold a candle to the 13 Pro Max and it's not even close. It might compared to the lesser iPhone 13 models but that's not a fair comparison by any sense of the imagination.

I almost went Iphone 13 pro max this gen. Almost. You know why I didn't? No fingerprint sensor. I'm not about to go back to entering my pin every time I want to open my device and masks make face recognition worthless.

Well, the pixel has a lot to live up to. I think it'll beat the iphone in pics. But battery life? I'm getting 2 hours screen on time every 10 percent battery used. Ridiculously good. I hope the pixel can get near that. Doubt it though

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Well, the pixel has a lot to live up to. I think it'll beat the iphone in pics. But battery life? I'm getting 2 hours screen on time every 10 percent battery used. Ridiculously good. I hope the pixel can get near that. Doubt it though.
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I'm still nostalgic for the days where i use to carry 1 or 2 extra batteries in my wallet and pop off the back to switch them out which literally took 5 seconds.
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We all missd these days
For me, there will be no difference in battery life if there is an hour or hour and a half increase
I won't be outside for 24 hours and when I go out I don't use the phone for more than 6 hours

Question Google Pixel 6 (Pro) an "flagship" phone...

So, I have some Nexus and Pixels phones in the past, and went to OnePlus, 3, 5, 6 and 7 (Pro).
I still have the 7 Pro with 12GB RAM and 256 GB memory, I bought this due the pop up camera (privacy) and stock ROM experience.
Fine, now I'm consedering buying the 6 or 6 Pro, but what I find weird is, why is this nice Tensor chipped phone named a "Flagship"?
Like, some competitors have 65W, 100W, 125W battery charge possibilities and this phone is still stuck on 30W, what even isn't maybe 100 true.
Still try to find a reason, because all the rest is nice...

YourTheBest said:
So, I have some Nexus and Pixels phones in the past, and went to OnePlus, 3, 5, 6 and 7 (Pro).
I still have the 7 Pro with 12GB RAM and 256 GB memory, I bought this due the pop up camera (privacy) and stock ROM experience.
Fine, now I'm consedering buying the 6 or 6 Pro, but what I find weird is, why is this nice Tensor chipped phone named a "Flagship"?
Like, some competitors have 65W, 100W, 125W battery charge possibilities and this phone is still stuck on 30W, what even isn't maybe 100 true.
Still try to find a reason, because all the rest is nice...
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Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra has 25 W "fast" charging. Yeah, the charging may not be the fastest (it takes about hour and half to two hours) to fully charge the phone. Or you can get used to charging overnight with Adaptive Charging feature.
It's called Flagship, because it has flagship cameras, performace can be called flaghsip-y still, it has flagship 4K 120 Hz OLED (Pro version), flagship sounding stereo speakers, flagship haptcis and so on. The software support is the best, but be careful and test everything out - you may get a lemon in terms of display or connectivity (December update should fix it). Mine P6P is flawless.