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TowelRoot on Tab S?

Hey,
Does towelroot work with the Tab S?
Thanks

whoisjlk said:
Hey,
Does towelroot work with the Tab S?
Thanks
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Nope, just restarts the device.

Nope..Its just restarts the device

dang - do you think we'll get a root?

People JUST WAIT!
Just relax and wait for a reliable dev to announce root. Stop chasing these rainbows unless you want to own a shiny new $500 paperweight. And yeah, the wrong root WILL brick your rig.
Just wait.

mitchellvii said:
Just relax and wait for a reliable dev to announce root. Stop chasing these rainbows unless you want to own a shiny new $500 paperweight. And yeah, the wrong root WILL brick your rig.
Just wait.
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Towelroot should absolutely work with the Tab S. We just need to find the correct modstring that will work. When I receive mine on Wednesday, I'll start working on root.
And it will not completely brick. If it doesn't work with towelroot the tab will just restart. EVEN if it soft bricks you can reset with Odin.

Excited

wix256 said:
Towelroot should absolutely work with the Tab S. We just need to find the correct modstring that will work. When I receive mine on Wednesday, I'll start working on root.
And it will not completely brick. If it doesn't work with towelroot the tab will just restart. EVEN if it soft bricks you can reset with Odin.
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Famous last words. As for me I'll wait for a certified xda dev to post root and anyone who is smart should do the same.

wix256 said:
Towelroot should absolutely work with the Tab S. We just need to find the correct modstring that will work. When I receive mine on Wednesday, I'll start working on root.
And it will not completely brick. If it doesn't work with towelroot the tab will just restart. EVEN if it soft bricks you can reset with Odin.
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Tried TowelRoot today on Tab S at BestBuy it just restarted. Then I bought one

If you're brave enough with tripping KNOX, you may request ChainFire to make one.

Funny thing, I dreamt last night I tried a towelroot modstring and it worked! Lol. I want root though, Knox or no knox, it's usually 5th first thing I do with my devices and I feel so limited now without it. No titanium backup, no Tasker etc. I don't need custom roms, I just need root to customize my tablet!

Had there been any progress on this? I know we have root but this doesn't trip Knox (supposedly)

nothing yet and although i dont care about knox i do like updates and until i see some more devs active for my 10.5 i am hesitant to go the other route. i really just want root to have Xposed and a few apps that i havent missed enough yet to make the move.

fletch33 said:
nothing yet and although i dont care about knox i do like updates and until i see some more devs active for my 10.5 i am hesitant to go the other route. i really just want root to have Xposed and a few apps that i havent missed enough yet to make the move.
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Same here. I'm hoping we get some themes going too!

Have an iPad Air, bought Tab S 8.4 as a trial run for two weeks. Besides not being able to root (without tripping knox), this tablet is amazing. The screen destroys the Air IMO. I was worried about them going with their in house processor, but after using it next to the iPad Air, I can say with confidence this tablet has power. I am shocked though, coming from ios to Android to see google locking things down so much. I hope someone roots this fine device without tripping knox, because I will gladly keep it and sell my ipad. Love the XDA Devs!!
ps: either way, I have to return this unit, as it is suffering slightly from the heat warp flaw.

Any devs actively working on this?

Y.G. said:
Any devs actively working on this?
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i dont believe so. i think the only way it would happen is if someone got geohot a device to work on in person.

I just rooted my SM-T705. Tripped knox. Dont Care. Im happy.

fletch33 said:
i dont believe so. i think the only way it would happen is if someone got geohot a device to work on in person.
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Any news?

Joker87 said:
Any news?
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x2

is the att version locked down like the note 3?

The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.

powdered_donuts said:
The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Probably...Maybe...Absolutely and most Definitely LOCKED.

powdered_donuts said:
The note 3 is a great piece of hardware but it was a nightmare for devs I hope they backtrack on that with this one. Not getting my hopes up though.
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Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot

chrispyutec said:
Of course it will be locked down!!! Us consumers never really OWN our phone that WE purchase!!! So tired of AT&T and others. I sure hope Geohot can bring us some towelroot
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Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with

powdered_donuts said:
Root took a long time for the note 3 but in the end the real fight was and still is the bootloaders. No custom kernels means even with root all you get is basically a bunch of differently themed semi customized stock Roms to play with
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That's right. I gave up my AT&T note 3 for T-Mobile S5 just for the unlocked bootloader. Although I really would like to see the bootloader unlocked, I can kinda live without unlocked bootloader if I have at least root. I will no longer buy a phone if I can't at least get root. I always wait until root has been achieved before making any purchase. Gotta love HTC for not locking down, but I just don't like their phones that much.

99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.

I have the same very question.
Being on ATT, will the Note 4 be able to be Rooted, and even more important, allow Custom Recovery for ROM's ? If not, NO WAY I can get the Note 4. And Safestrap is not an option, that's a handicapped and gimped wannabe recovery.
Nice thing with HTC, they openly and officially allow their One M8 to have the bootloader unlocked directly through HTC's own website. I did just that with my ATT carrier One M8, and converted it to a GPE. Would like to see Samsung allow that too.

Without a doubt it will be locked.

Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..

powdered_donuts said:
Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
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Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.

mircury said:
Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
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Yeah I know I'm not falling for the next plan and all that crap not interested in adding more to my monthly bill. I thought about getting the T-Mobile version but I'm starting to just lean towards getting a nexus from google when the new one comes out. Hate to leave Samsung behind but I'm feeling like the time has come to move on

mircury said:
99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.
My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.
1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?
2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.
If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
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Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.

chong67 said:
Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
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Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope that an exploit will be found, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.

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Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.
I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.
My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
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better advice! But you can certainly blindly guarantee that at&t is locked down.

Am I wanting Root for wrong reasons?
I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.

ewingr said:
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Don't forget adaway, my number 1 use for root, and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.

mircury said:
..., and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
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I'll probably look into that. I typically take advantage of subsidy, but may be worth going with TMO. If the Note 4 had 4GB mem, that would make it easier to make the extra spend. I was hoping for a phone that I may be happy with for longer than 2 years. (Of course the root issue may be the driving factor for purchasing the TMO version, irrespective of other considerations).

ewingr said:
I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.
I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.
But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.
Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.
Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?
Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
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Totally agree with you on all points. Except not sure we "have to root". The Note 4 will be able to handle all "Bloatware" and still fly. Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data. No Nandroid, but if you are not rooting and running the risk of soft bricking and needing to restore a Nandroid, they won't be needed. The cloud for Google will always be there to restore those accounts. The rest you can backup to your sdcard and pc. Not sure I need theming like Xposed offers. As, I am liking the stock look of the S5 which I am running on my S4.
That all being said I would probably get a TMO one on ATT if LTE runs fine and root/flash roms since it is in the blood at this point--

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..Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data...
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Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.

ewingr said:
Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.
One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.
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Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.
I'll go and read the Wiki.
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A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:
If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.
In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed
...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA
You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.
Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
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You can try MyBackUp Pro from Play Store--Have used it for years. Assuming it updates for Note 4--sure it will. You can email them--

[Q] Root imediately or wait?

Can anyone give me their opinions rooting right away vs waiting? I'm coming from a 2 generation ago HTC with root and unlocked bootloader, s-off. I'd hate to delay rooting but I'm wondering how things have gone lately in the Samsung world.
-If I wait, will there likely be another method of rooting that would somehow be better than Chainfire's current method? (Won't trip knox or void warranty or something along those lines)?
-Would I be better off taking any OTA's that are available upon getting the phone before rooting or could those OTA's prevent root if I take them?
Any other reason why someone might delay rooting?

I personally probably will root it if a method is available (haven't verified yet.)
Primary reason being is to make transferring from my previous phone a lot less painless with titanium backup.
Or maybe I won't, because it won't be long before I'd want to flash a custom debloated rom.
Decisions decisions...

the only reason to wait is you want to maintain your warranty. If you pretty good with figuring out issues, it may not be an issue.
Me, 99% I'm not waiting. If I have time, it''ll be one of the first things I do. If not, I'll do it following day.

I enjoy Samsung devices but they usually leave me no choice but to root to remove some of the bloat that I don't really want. So for me it will happen once a cf auto root occurs!

There is no root for sprint yet. Big freaking bummer.

I wouldn't worry about that at all. Chainfire has already released CF Root for like seven different models of the Note 4 - Exynos and Snapdragon models. I would give it a day or a few after official release of our Note 4 until we have root.
And anyways back to the OP - I will be rooting as soon as I get my phone and charge it to full haha. I'm going to need to erase like a million apk's from /system to get rid of plenty of the carrier and Samsung bloat.
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Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important

as much as im gonna hate moving to a new device not having root i think i am going to hold off on root till a method that does not trip knox is introduced. Or a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. I don't care about warranty but the limit to use accessories is a game stopper for me. I mean with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working. to many unknowns right now.

shabbypenguin said:
Bah to root, im going to be busy working on recovery, to me thats far more important
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Does that mean we can expect some custom ROMs from you?
Not too shabby

filebug said:
... a way to use the samsung dongle with knox tripped is introduced. ... but the limit to use accessories is a ... with knox flag stop the VR glasses from working ...
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It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.

I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.

shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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anyone else?

lovekeiiy said:
It that really true. If the knox is trigger using accessories such as the VR or Galaxy Gear watches won't work? What the heck? I thought knox was introduced by corporate people to have a more secure phone. Although the rooted use is a small portion of people, just seen short sighted to me.
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It is for corporate security, not sure where he got all that "additional" info from.

Systom said:
anyone else?
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I second this. I used T Mobile's root From Chainfire with no problems. All root apps work great. Everything works as it should.

Systom said:
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Confirmed. The root located below seems to work on our Sprint phones.
http://download.chainfire.eu/571/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root-trltetmo-trltetmo-smn910t.zip
I'm hoping I can download the full ROM before I start whacking up my system.

So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?

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So I imagine this root method will trip knox right?
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Yes

you dont say ???
shanda5303 said:
I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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And which model is your note ??

Successfully rooted on the sprint note 4 using the tmobile auto root!

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I just rooted everything works good so far, used t-mobile's root with no issues.
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Yep, works fine. TB is restoring my apps as I type this. Just choose "Normal" for SuperSU to update the binary. Don't forget to install the FixSD app to allow the correct writing permissions that they talk about in the T-Mobile forum.

Official Recoveries and Kernels that trips you up called KNOX.

Everywhere I read about how people are afraid to trip KNOX, will flashing this trip it.. YES what I understand is that FLASHING anything that is an Unofficial Recovery or Kernel is what will trip this security feature, TRIPPING KNOX will DISABLE SAMSUNG PAY
Samsung Pay relies on the security features of KNOX. Once KNOX is tripped you can't go back.
1st question is how can we make an Official Kernel with ROOT...???
2nd question is what makes it Official to begin with..???????,
no where have I seen any forum discuss how these companies make Official Firmware and kernels, Seems like every phone company can alter Official Firmware and kernels to suit the needs and its still an Official update and does not trip KNOX.
Just curious as to the inner workings on being Official. Would be nice to see a Official Rooted Kernel kind of like the leaked T-Mobile Engineering Kernel but even it was limited in ways.
Anyway about KNOX... trip it.
If you are just using your phone for personal and like custom roms tripping KNOX means nothing and its OKAY.
If your going to use Samsung Pay then step away from ROOT and don't look back. Tripping Knox is not for you.
As far as I can tell the only people who can't root are the people who work for big business and have work related files on their phones, KNOX is going to make a partition and keep all this stuff secret for them so if you rooted your phone and work for lets say the "Department of Defense" chances of you getting fired and your phone destroyed are like 100% so if your the sole owner of your phone and like to tinker with custom roms TRIP KNOX its okay, I just wish we had a way to make Official Firmware and Kernels but I can see problems for big business if we did.

Not to be mean, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am only saying that so that anyone else reading this knows that.
"Official Kernel With Root" is not going to happen.
If you trip Knox, you will not be able to use Samsung features such as Samsung Pay. This is important to a number of people.
You really should do some research before posting.

Your not being mean at all but you did not answer either, why is it not going to happen? I would like to know what makes it official and why can't it be done?
I get Samsung pay users, but for those who Root usually are going to flash custom roms and don't care about that feature, if your using Samsung pay then you need KNOX to keep your data secure. I will edit the OP and state the facts for those who don't already know about this.

It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1

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It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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So true, but I been looking at this 2 ways, as what I read and heard from Samsung about KNOX is you have software which is what the security Suite of apps is all about, it handles all the security features, the KNOX (EFUSE) when rooted or phone is set to custom trips the KNOX Counter which Samsung told me in an email its not connected to the Software Suite for Security, its in place to tell them (Samsung) that the phone has been altered, which VOIDS the WARRANTY and Samsung can refuse to fix your phone. I am trying to get more answers from Samsung about why Samsung Pay stops working if this (Efuse) KNOX Counter is tripped, so far they say the Counter is not related to the software suite. I get no direct answer about it. They don't claim is stops Samsung Pay from working but they really don't tell me why it does stop it either.
UPDATE: " just got an email back from a tech at Samsung, tells me if phone is rooted or custom or if the knox counter is 0x1 you can not install samsung pay, told me the counter is part of the security being used in the Knox Suite." So I guess they are linked then.

Well i see what your getting at i think, but seems like no one has had an issue getting a replacement device with knox tripped. And samsung pay does not even open after tripping when it previously worked. So someone is lying.
Look at all the problems with apple pay. If you dont want your bank account tapped or credit cards maxxed dont break knox. On my opinion its not even that great of a feature, most banks dont support it, and many card terminals wont either until they get updated.

I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.

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I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I am still a newbie at this , I rooted my moto razor when I first got it, best damn phone at the time, then I got into Samsung because the camera was better, first Samsung was the S4, what an upgrade from moto... I rooted and tweaked it and never left Android 4.2.2, its still that way, but I wanted a better camera and thought everyone was all happy about lollipop so I got a S6, which it has KNOX, my old s4 has no knox not even in the bootloader, I used triangle away to reset the binary counter but with this S6 I am torn between root or no root, am I going to custom it out or stick around to see if Samsung Pay will actually work out. Rooting does have a purpose but if manufacturers would just let us get rid of bloat maybe the phones could be ours. I also wondered about if rooting would leave your phone open to security risks, I thought you had to grant root access to get into the sandbox.???

I disabled everything i dont use so almost feels like no bloat lol. If you open knox you can set it to be a launcher and have a different set of apps, background and so on. Its nice to keep work separate from regular life. But with root you can achieve a lot of cool things. But after years of rooting and custom roms i am happy with a vanilla phone........ for know haha

Is there an actual need to root?

I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?

No. I wouldn't... for you though the cat's already out of the bag.
If running on Pie I definitely wouldn't update to 10 or worse 11.

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I've recently rooted my phone and now I am questioning why I did it. The first phone I rooted was my Nexus One and I've been a member of this site since the release of the Galaxy S2 so I am no novice. It used to be a necessity to root for the increased control it gave, but now all I seem to be doing is finding solutions to get back functionality that I've lost through tripping Knox. Please, can anyone give me a reason or list the advantages of rooting the current generation of phones because I'm struggling to justify keeping the bootloader unlocked and not going back to stock?
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Like you, I've been rooting since my HTC-Hero way back in the early days of Android. It was necessary for better kernels, better battery life, better RAM and CPU management, better file systems (Early days of ARM and EXT4) and of course those cool themes and apps that only work with Root (Titanium Backup, Gosh I miss you!!). Not to mention what was my favorite, MIUI!
The last phone I rooted was the Nexus 6. It was a powerhouse! I still have it in a drawer full of old devices in my desk and miss it! Someone once told me when checking out my N6, "Your phone is like a muscle car!"
I miss rooting and I hate that carriers have locked the Bootloaders down. Android was founded on and was expanded by the Amateur Development community. Look up Cyanogen for details!.
I just bought my daughter this device outright - first, one I've ever bought that wasn't through my carrier and I'll be doing the same with the Pixel 6 for myself later this year which means I can finally go back to rooting and hopefully back to what earned me the RC title, but I also wonder, do I really NEED to root these??
My daughter isn't a power user. She's probably happy with whatever native settings and Samsung themes she can find on her own. My Pixel 4 XL has been great as is. so I applaud your question because I also wonder if rooting is still necessary or is it just a way to feel rebellious and outside the fray?

I also own a Pixel 4, bought to scratch an itch when I wanted to try out GrapheneOS.
I think I will go back to stock, which is sad as I enjoyed the process of modifying the phones software. If there was a net gain or increased functionality to keep the phone rooted, I would but unfortunately there isn't a compelling reason to keep the bootloader unlocked.
Am I wrong? Is the scene, at least for Samsung phones, dead and this forum obsolete?

Root is a must for me. Just being able to debloat. Either way I bought a unlock token

I understand the debloat of carriers useless apps, but since I found that ADB can basicly remove the programs I don't need root for that. But I still like root for change hosts files and such.