Everywhere I read about how people are afraid to trip KNOX, will flashing this trip it.. YES what I understand is that FLASHING anything that is an Unofficial Recovery or Kernel is what will trip this security feature, TRIPPING KNOX will DISABLE SAMSUNG PAY
Samsung Pay relies on the security features of KNOX. Once KNOX is tripped you can't go back.
1st question is how can we make an Official Kernel with ROOT...???
2nd question is what makes it Official to begin with..???????,
no where have I seen any forum discuss how these companies make Official Firmware and kernels, Seems like every phone company can alter Official Firmware and kernels to suit the needs and its still an Official update and does not trip KNOX.
Just curious as to the inner workings on being Official. Would be nice to see a Official Rooted Kernel kind of like the leaked T-Mobile Engineering Kernel but even it was limited in ways.
Anyway about KNOX... trip it.
If you are just using your phone for personal and like custom roms tripping KNOX means nothing and its OKAY.
If your going to use Samsung Pay then step away from ROOT and don't look back. Tripping Knox is not for you.
As far as I can tell the only people who can't root are the people who work for big business and have work related files on their phones, KNOX is going to make a partition and keep all this stuff secret for them so if you rooted your phone and work for lets say the "Department of Defense" chances of you getting fired and your phone destroyed are like 100% so if your the sole owner of your phone and like to tinker with custom roms TRIP KNOX its okay, I just wish we had a way to make Official Firmware and Kernels but I can see problems for big business if we did.
Not to be mean, but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am only saying that so that anyone else reading this knows that.
"Official Kernel With Root" is not going to happen.
If you trip Knox, you will not be able to use Samsung features such as Samsung Pay. This is important to a number of people.
You really should do some research before posting.
Your not being mean at all but you did not answer either, why is it not going to happen? I would like to know what makes it official and why can't it be done?
I get Samsung pay users, but for those who Root usually are going to flash custom roms and don't care about that feature, if your using Samsung pay then you need KNOX to keep your data secure. I will edit the OP and state the facts for those who don't already know about this.
It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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It it was that easy to work around knox, i guess it wouldnt be that great of a security feature huh? Samsung didnt waste all that time for nothing, theyre protecting your data, and rooting your device makes it vulnerable. Im amazed there was ever a way around it before 5.1.1
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So true, but I been looking at this 2 ways, as what I read and heard from Samsung about KNOX is you have software which is what the security Suite of apps is all about, it handles all the security features, the KNOX (EFUSE) when rooted or phone is set to custom trips the KNOX Counter which Samsung told me in an email its not connected to the Software Suite for Security, its in place to tell them (Samsung) that the phone has been altered, which VOIDS the WARRANTY and Samsung can refuse to fix your phone. I am trying to get more answers from Samsung about why Samsung Pay stops working if this (Efuse) KNOX Counter is tripped, so far they say the Counter is not related to the software suite. I get no direct answer about it. They don't claim is stops Samsung Pay from working but they really don't tell me why it does stop it either.
UPDATE: " just got an email back from a tech at Samsung, tells me if phone is rooted or custom or if the knox counter is 0x1 you can not install samsung pay, told me the counter is part of the security being used in the Knox Suite." So I guess they are linked then.
Well i see what your getting at i think, but seems like no one has had an issue getting a replacement device with knox tripped. And samsung pay does not even open after tripping when it previously worked. So someone is lying.
Look at all the problems with apple pay. If you dont want your bank account tapped or credit cards maxxed dont break knox. On my opinion its not even that great of a feature, most banks dont support it, and many card terminals wont either until they get updated.
I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I was just thinking about this myself. I liked having a rooted phone before, but the advantages of having a sandbox on my phone for extra security is nice. You can even use it to have 2 of apps. Like ig or snapchat where u have more than 1 account. Besides some of the little things i miss like xposed, there is no real reason to root the phone, besides maybe tethering. You even can do themes if you want it to look different or a launcher. but can't totally reset your phone after that damn counter.
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I am still a newbie at this , I rooted my moto razor when I first got it, best damn phone at the time, then I got into Samsung because the camera was better, first Samsung was the S4, what an upgrade from moto... I rooted and tweaked it and never left Android 4.2.2, its still that way, but I wanted a better camera and thought everyone was all happy about lollipop so I got a S6, which it has KNOX, my old s4 has no knox not even in the bootloader, I used triangle away to reset the binary counter but with this S6 I am torn between root or no root, am I going to custom it out or stick around to see if Samsung Pay will actually work out. Rooting does have a purpose but if manufacturers would just let us get rid of bloat maybe the phones could be ours. I also wondered about if rooting would leave your phone open to security risks, I thought you had to grant root access to get into the sandbox.???
I disabled everything i dont use so almost feels like no bloat lol. If you open knox you can set it to be a launcher and have a different set of apps, background and so on. Its nice to keep work separate from regular life. But with root you can achieve a lot of cool things. But after years of rooting and custom roms i am happy with a vanilla phone........ for know haha
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I thought I had seen a thread about this but I can't find it anywhere (so it was probably on another device's forums somewhere)..
So the question is: What does tripping knox break other then voiding warranty?
I thought I read somewhere that it stopped the IR or HDMI stuff from working? (or was it just the WatchOn app?)
I have also read somewhere that it breaks the Samsung Hub and/or Play Movies? (but I believe that was solved?)
not that i'm too worried about these apps not working.. but it would be handy to have list of things no longer working with the bit set to 0x1
Is there any truth to these things? Or am I worried about nothing?
(I'm seriously thinking about a P600, if rooting/flashing (even stock FW) doesnt break "major" functionality)
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So the question is: What does tripping knox break other then voiding warranty?
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+1, I have the same question.
Together with the question that every other change can be revoke by flashing a stock ROM. I need answers to both before I start building a custom ROM
PS. Normally this should only break KNOX self and nothing else (see here for more infos). But who knows...
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+1, I have the same question.
Together with the question that every other change can be revoke by flashing a stock ROM. I need answers to both before I start building a custom ROM
PS. Normally this should only break KNOX self and nothing else (see here for more infos). But who knows...
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The question is a really fundamental great one as needs an answer so that users can make an inform choice to do some custom work on their tablet or just stay stock. Or maybe start developing work arounds for the problems. I have already tripped the KNOX on my note and now wondering have I really messed up. Although Samsung enjoys the profit benefits of selling phones and tablets that can be modified with no downside to them as it voids your warranty. Now I am suspicious if with the new Note 10.1 Samsung may have changed the game rules now that they are popular and selling products like gangbusters. I had the old Note 10.1 and rooted it without any problems, so I went ahead and rooted this one ASAP assuming the rules where the same, are they the same? Well having second thoughts despite I have a pretty heavy history of programming and electronic hardware experience. So I am all in for this thread!
Except your warranty, nothing.
My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
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Naturesretard said:
My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
id recommend you get the note three
Short answer. Yes. Best phone I've ever owned.
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ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
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ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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For me rooting is about debloating the phone. Either by removing bloat or (as i have done with the Note 3) just freeze them for now. This gets a very noticeable increase in battery life. Also some mods can be nice. I like a very clean ROM with optimizations to battery and UI. The Kernel can be optimized too but like a stock kernel usually.
I'm coming from the VZW S4 running CleanROM and Bonestock but right now on the Note 3 I'm Rooted on Stock, with Bloat frozen and getting 7-10% battery drain per hour of screen on time (at 35% brightness) depending on what I'm doing.
i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
Phones awesome. Get it. No downsides whatsoever on this phone, sexy build, power, speed, removeable battery and SD card, great stock battery. Big ass sexy 1080 screen, what more do you really want or need from a phone?
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My S4 was fine with the slightest of lag stock out of the box. I have the VZW variant from launch day (May 23rd) and i never took an OTA. With that said the 2 ROMs i used 100% wiped out any remaining lag. My S4 was pretty much perfect for me. The reason I am now on a Note 3 is i took advantage of Tmo paying off ETF. So why not upgrade to the Note 3 instead of making a lateral move?
That said, the Note 3 is AMAZING. It's much snappier and faster. I am Rooted with TWRP but stock ROM with just bloat frozen. It has better battery life and the spen functionality is really good. If you haven't you should really watch some YouTube vids to really see it in action. A 5 inch screen is most ideal but I have large hands so 5.7 is nicer for me as i do consume a lot of content (Youtube, SlingBox, Netflix). This wile still on the stock ROM too. I think anyone coming from the S4 or Note 2 will be very happy and would think of it as a worthy upgrade not a marginal one.
To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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There is talk that it can be reset by Samsung, but nothing specific, I rooted via de la Vega and stayed stock to get some basic access without any issues. Very happy with the phone like it is and have no urge to try other roms.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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I think Root De La Vega you're safe but not if you put a custom recovery on. just going to have to read through the post. and others can chime in if they did it that way. I put custom recovery on my phone right away so i just used CF-Auto root so i can't confirm from my experiences.
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i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
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Everything about the note 3 is superior to the note 2(except audio lol), screen is crisp and brighter, more storage for games and apps, apps2sd is back!!, snapdragon800 soc is friggin insane even tho i do give props to sammys exynos soc, better build quality, better battery life.
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Note 3
YES! I had my Sprint S3 stolen.... so glad I spent my hard earned money to switch to T-Mobile and to get the Note 3. Best choice I made in years!!!
Hi guys looking for abit of help on ROM and Kernels
Bought my tabpro 10.1 yesterday as it was very cheap.
Im coming from nexus devices so need stock as possible and fast etc. Any recommendations? Thanks
While ROM recommendations (comparisons, etc.) are technically allowed now, due to relatively recent rule changes, I'm still not a fan of them for good reason. Which is the best ROM (recommended ROM, fastest, etc) is completely subjective. And such discussions just devolve into a popularity contest.
ROM choices are very limited for the 10.1, anyway. Just pick one or a couple that look good, and flash away.
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While ROM recommendations (comparisons, etc.) are technically allowed now, due to relatively recent rule changes, I'm still not a fan of them for good reason. Which is the best ROM (recommended ROM, fastest, etc) is completely subjective. And such discussions just devolve into a popularity contest.
ROM choices are very limited for the 10.1, anyway. Just pick one or a couple that look good, and flash away.
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Does samsung still have the Knox counter which voids warranty the second i flash anything like the S3's ?
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Does samsung still have the Knox counter which voids warranty the second i flash anything like the S3's ?
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The KNOX flag will be tripped, but folks on here claim it doesn't have anything to do with warranty.
Personally, I've always considered the warranty on any of these devices to be somewhat of a possible sacrifice to be able to use the device how I want, flash ROMs, etc.
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The KNOX flag will be tripped, but folks on here claim it doesn't have anything to do with warranty.
Personally, I've always considered the warranty on any of these devices to be somewhat of a possible sacrifice to be able to use the device how I want, flash ROMs, etc.
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Well i voided both my nexus warranty's within 5 mins via flashing but i could set them back if i so wished to.
I may run it normally for a month to make sure of no hardware issue's and then mess with it
I picked it up for £200 so not too much anyhow with my nexus 7 being sold to fund it too
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I may run it normally for a month to make sure of no hardware issue's and then mess with it
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Its a good idea to do so. Although I don't always get anywhere close to a month. I unlocked the bootloader on my HTC M8 the day after I go it, since I couldn't stand the carrier bloatware!
But I actually lasted pretty long with my Samsung tablets before rooting (WiFi only, so no carrier bloat).
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Hi guys looking for abit of help on ROM and Kernels
Bought my tabpro 10.1 yesterday as it was very cheap.
Im coming from nexus devices so need stock as possible and fast etc. Any recommendations? Thanks
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I would recommend CM11. It works great on my 8.4" model, and looks supported on yours, too: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Picassowifi_Info
(Assuming you have the Wifi-only. I don't believe the cellular ones are supported)
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Investigate Towelroot. I put CM11 on my tab pro 8.4 a long time ago and have never looked back, but many Samsung devices can be rooted with Towelroot without tripping the Knox flag.
I do not know if TR supports your device.
Installing a ROM will trip it, but with rooted stock you retain your warranty and you can get rid of things you don't like about the stock OS more effectively than without, plus make backups of apps with Titanium.
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Investigate Towelroot. I put CM11 on my tab pro 8.4 a long time ago and have never looked back, but many Samsung devices can be rooted with Towelroot without tripping the Knox flag.
I do not know if TR supports your device.
Installing a ROM will trip it, but with rooted stock you retain your warranty and you can get rid of things you don't like about the stock OS more effectively than without, plus make backups of apps with Titanium.
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Towelroot only work with Qualcomm Snapdragon, and I also believe Framaroot is a dead end. The 10.2 and 12.2 wifi are both Exynos 5420, why your only root option, currently, is CF-Auto-Root. Yes, you will definitely trip Knox. However, there's a possibility that [root] Triangle Away can undo it, but it might only work with Snap and/or earlier Exynos as well.
Anyone tried Lollipop on these yet? I picked up an 8.4 yesterday and am curious to try the latest and greatest.
Are they even getting lollipop?
Think they are slated to get it. No reason it shouldn't work on them.
Please forgive the catchy title as well as my ignorance as while I have been around computing stuff for a long time, am kinda new to the Android stuff.
For me, I picked up a Samsung Strat II this summer, an have gotten a bit used to that, so just grabbed a 8.4 for Xmas as I have more uses for that, an would like to get that running as best as possible.
For the Strat II, I did root it with Towelroot an with no noticeable side effects, so understand the hows an why's of this.
But in reading the forums for the 8.4, have been seeing this thing about tripping the Knox from messing with the OS in anyways in regard to rooting.
From the little bit I have read, it seems to be some kind of root tripper, an would assume that voids any warranties too, but was wondering if some could explain it a bit more to me, an perhaps answer the following questions.
1: Does it in fact trip from a root an does this void the warranty?
2: This does not seem to be part of my Strat II OS, so is this something newer?
3: If indeed it is just a warranty thing, do I care once it's out of warranty? Which I think is one year?
4: Is it just a OS recording thing, or does it mess up the tab in anyway, software or hardware wise?
5: From what I have read, once tripped, its permanent an there is no way to reverse that even from a complete system reset, so is that true?
So those are just a few at the moment an again, please forgive my ignorance, but hey, if you don't ask, you don't learn.
Thanks for any help
if you used towelroot then you probably didn't trip knox, knox will trip if you use other root methods like cf-auto-root or flash custom firmwares like CM.
knox is a hardware fuse (at least on the snapdragon cpu) that once tripped cannot be undone as it actually modifies hardware kind-of like burning out a circuit and Samsung checks the flag to see if the device was tampered with and it will void warranty (though they may or may not make an exception depending on the issue like if something was hardware related they might still honor it).
TowelRoot uses a kernel exploit and doesn't mess with bootloaders ..etc , thus keeping knox happy
Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Towelroot only worked on ND1~ND3 Firmware on the tab pro 8.4 then the kernel was patched on newer firmwares--- so if your tab has a newer firmware it won't work anymore without some headaches.
Basically you need to flash the Kernel (not the full firmware) from ND3 root the tab with towelroot then swap the kernel back to the current firmware, and knox should stay at 0x0 .
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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It could be worse, the efuse(s) can be used for all kinds of things like completely locking the bootloader, luckily Samsung didn't go to that extreme
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
Basically I tried the unit I have for just a little bit as I wanted to setup the basics before Xmas an make sure it would work with my WiFi, but all in all the unit ran pretty nice with just the way it was.
So I really even wonder if I want to root it, an then with this Knox thing, its deterring me even more.
But then too, I know some apps just really require it.
So kinda torn.
But if it does something else negative to the device other then what we have already discussed, might just leave it alone for the time being.
Btw, thanks for all the help so far.
There are benefits to rooting like being able to use your sdcard properly , I rooted mine, never tripped knox,
As with all rooting It's a risk if you do trip it it will probably void warranty, it could also brick your device if something goes wrong.
Another common problem I have been seeing is random reboots for people who have a tripped knox flag (this is due to software on the tablet that checks knox and somehow causes reboots, you can disable the software but still troublesome and doesn't work for everyone).
If you really want to root I would go with towelroot method, its the safest and less risk for triggering any knox problems.
you basically update your firmware to the latest version first, extract the kernel from the tar file, download the ND3 firmware extract the kernel, tar the kernel's , flash the nd3 kernel with odin, boot-up , towelroot, install supersu , reboot - switch back to download mode and re-flash the latest kernel)
Read through this thread too, some people have prepared standalone kernels to use if you don't want to do it yourself. you probably need ND3 (or ND1 will work) and K1 if your tablet is the XAR model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
^ND1 kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...320xar1ank1-extracted-stock-firmware-t2954549
^K1 kernel
Thanks greatly otyg, will have to look into this more after the holidays, an thanks so much for the info
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One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
WBFAir said:
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
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For this device, once you trip Knox you can no longer update firmware through the traditional methods, you have to do it manually through something like Odin or a custom recovery, as far as I can tell. Samsung recognizes that you've "modified" your device and will not let you update through official channels.
gidal said:
Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised, unfortunately it does effect normal users like us who like to tweak the devices a little .
otyg said:
I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised
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This is pretty much true, in my understanding. KNOX is aimed at enterprise users (company provided devices) as a means of ensuring the devices are kept in an "approved" or "compliant" configuration. Once a device is rooted, root can be hidden (as well as any number of changes made to the system) so it makes sense for IT departments to want a non-reversible hardware fuse to detect the device has been tampered (mainly by the employees).
Android hasn't had the widest adoption for enterprise use, mainly due to the open nature of the OS. So such security measures are an attempt at changing that perception.
Folks on here have argued that KNOX counter does not void the warranty, and its only purpose if for use along with the KNOX security software. Whether that is 100% true or not, I can't personally say.
Knox allows a device to be setup as two completely separate devices in one. One secured for business use the other for personal use. I tripped Knox immediately on mine when I rooted it.
Can i towelroot and install cm without knockig trox?
Hi all,
Most of the (advanced) users are already familiar with KNOX on Samsung devices.
Since it is a feature making the device secure in terms of keeping the system unmodified, it is well know that rooting it will trigger the KNOX eFuse and security features using it will stop working for good.
Now my question to which I cannot find a strait answer to is...
What will stop working if KNOX is triggered besides Samsung pay and Secure folder?
Will the fingerprint, IRIS/face unlock... still work?
And are there any more downsides?
Thanks!
dedabrane said:
Hi all,
Most of the (advanced) users are already familiar with KNOX on Samsung devices.
Since it is a feature making the device secure in terms of keeping the system unmodified, it is well know that rooting it will trigger the KNOX eFuse and security features using it will stop working for good.
Now my question to which I cannot find a strait answer to is...
What will stop working if KNOX is triggered besides Samsung pay and Secure folder?
Will the fingerprint, IRIS/face unlock... still work?
And are there any more downsides?
Thanks!
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I think it breaks S health also if im not mistaken.
Iris, fingerprints etc not affected
sent from my Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
The Health App is pretty effective, so it's a shame to lose it. Mainly for the heart rate monitor, personally. (I have some BPM issues.)
Other than that, not sure.
Will this can be fixed with some patch?
Im coming from xperia, which there always a drm fix patch for newer device so we get the lost features back like x-reality, camera etc.
Also we can relock the BL with the backup so the device can be virgin again in case I want to sell it.
So what about the s9+? Can galaxy phone have the nox and all of its features back if we un-root it?
I have this device for 2 months now but still scared to root it since this is my first samsung device.
fizhsmile said:
Will this can be fixed with some patch?
Im coming from xperia, which there always a drm fix patch for newer device so we get the lost features back like x-reality, camera etc.
Also we can relock the BL with the backup so the device can be virgin again in case I want to sell it.
So what about the s9+? Can galaxy phone have the nox and all of its features back if we un-root it?
I have this device for 2 months now but still scared to root it since this is my first samsung device.
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No.
Once knox is tripped its permanent and all the things that breaks stay broken.
Theres is an abundance of info on this and its common knowledge for us sammy guys. Hit that search button and start reading up on all the samsung quirks so you dont have any surprises. Your very smart to wait as you have so you dont do something you cant undo!
Sent from my Note 9 exynos, S9 plus exynos, Pixel 2 XL or Note FE
There is a fix for S Health, I have it working on mine by following this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/guide-how-to-s-health-devices-knox-t3543306
There is ways around this Knox trip. Also read most ROMs and kernels remove any Knox
bahmonkeys said:
There is ways around this Knox trip. Also read most ROMs and kernels remove any Knox
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The KNOX that rooting trips and the KNOX that breaks Samsung apps is nothing to do with any ROM, it is a hardware e-fuse
There are workarounds to get some of the apps working again, but once you trip KNOX to 0x1, it's permanent