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miHah said:
there are two types of HTC One X out there
1) TRADE ones - usualy they are cheaper with more problems (screen, yellow spots, bad tegra chip, hot as hell) and are usualy sold WW mostly via internet. Usualy they are some sort of "not so good at quality control but we (htc) need money so lets sell them for a lesser amount of money".
2) SELLING ones - they are more expensive and sold by official HTC distibuters and carriers. They have outstanding performance and build quality due to good quality control. But remember, some of SELLING ones can end up with TRADE batch so some might be lucky (I am sorry but AMAZON, EBAY, EXPANSYS have the TRADE ones so you will most likely have some problems with the phone.)
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Just to let you guys know
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Just to let you guys know
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Source of this info please
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Since the serial number sequencing is identical for all devices and there's no differentiation in markings between devices either on the device itself or the box, how pray tell do you suggest HTC's able to know the difference between "good" ones vs. "bad" ones and then direct either to a reseller based on their status?
Hilarious!
I've got to ask, on what grounds can you say this. What evidence is there?
Nah.... That would be an logistical nightmare to have diffrent "types" of phones. I call this conspiracy theory!
Both me and my wife would according to you're statement have "bought" "seller" phones. We both had to exchange them several times for diffrent faults. If the "seller" phones were that bad, I wonder how bad the "trade phones" are!!
Bull**** of the day. Now we can focus on truedat
*smacks head with hand* DOOOOOOONG!!!!
Facepalm xD
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This simply isn't true and scares many ill-informed HOX users.
What IS accurate, and true of most manufacturers is this:
1) Production of a device can change over time - sometimes early units are poorer quality, and sometimes that are BETTER quality.
2) Over time, the manufacturer might discover minor production issues and improve the quality of build to correct certain issues, but also, they can start to source cheaper components in an attempt to cut costs, making later version slightly worse, or just slightly different. We're talking very minor internal changes here, or components (like camera) sourced from another manufacturer - but using same drivers / capabilities etc)
What can also happen is that devices can sometimes be manufactured in more than one factory, and quality might differ very slightly.
The serial numbers of units CAN be sequential, but still allow the manufacturer to know which are 'good' and which are 'bad' units, but selling 'bad' units knowingly at a lower cost (without telling the customer) would be suicide for HTC. They COULD sell them as 'B' grade though.
Nonsense.
Btw i bought my one x on ebay, cheapest i could find, which was 340 quid for a new unlocked unit, and its FLAWLESS. No bugs or defects whatsoever.(sh27)
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What a bunch of crap.
Also, Half Life 3 is going to be released tomorrow. Just to let you guys know
godot_ said:
Also, Half Life 3 is going to be released tomorrow. Just to let you guys know
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Wrong, portal 3 and max payne 4 release tomorrow.
Agree with all above, also WTF is with the size of your Sig?!
Waste of a thread. Can a mod get rid of this please.
Nonsense, the initial batches were a bit problematic but not all devices suffered the issues.
A lot of companies are selling refurbished units for a lower price but hard to state what's actually been refurbished and whether any of the known bugs were resolved.
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Sounds like a load of crap to me
OP, do you have any evidence to backup your claims?
Baloney !
Bought two on Ebay in July, no problem.
International version from well regarded seller in Hong Kong.
ATT version from well regarded US vendor.
Those buying early and/or from shadier vendors are more likely to have problems.
for those who said "this is a myth" "Lies" it actually applies to every cell phone device. I call the defective ones "Flowing water products" (Not sure how they come up with those terms but it is pretty common in china). Those are the devices sold by third rate resellers. That is why they are cheaper to begin with.
For more information refer to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import
I was just reading this article:
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...he-midrange-samsung-galaxy-victory-oet-review
And think it's a complete waste of money and resources developing mid and lower range handsets. If I was the CEO of HTC, Moto, or Samsung, I would focus on only 1 (flagship) device in each size category.
It just makes sense on so many levels, economically and marketing wise especially.
For example, the current hottest phone for Samsung is the Galaxy S III, which commands the premium price of being the latest and greatest at $200. They can sell the SGSII for $100 and offer the SGS for free (all on contract of course).
Imagine all the engineers and financial resources they can allocate to flagship devices if they followed this model.
Samsung, Motorola, HTC, please dump all your existing mid and lower range lines of handsets.
Do yourselves and Android lovers a great service!
And lastly, please use the same name for each device for all the carriers. None of this one unique name for each carrier for the same device bullcrap!
It would make sense only if they didn't make a profit on these phones that they push out but obviously they do so they will continue pushing out as many as possible. Luckily it seems Samsung is the only company left doing this.
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Apple actually has a patent on that business model.
Some people can't afford to pay flagship model prices.
More handsets with different ranges will appeal to more customers.
There is also those who don't need everything a top of the line phone has.
No way I am going to pay for the top of the line phone for my 12 year old son.
He doesn't need all the features, plus the fact that since he's a kid there is a greater chance of the phone meeting some kind of accident.
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Apple actually has a patent on that business model.
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Apple has a low end, mid range, and high end iPhone in the market (4 - free, 4S - $100, 5 - $200+). Even they couldn't ignore the low end of the market anymore.
This post demonstrates no business knowledge whatsoever. Like previously mentioned not everyone wants a flagship or even a smart phone. You need to cater to a wide range of users.
It's not about focusing all your resources on flagship models for a smaller group. They make a large profit on lower and mid range phones too.
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This post demonstrates no business knowledge whatsoever. Like previously mentioned not everyone wants a flagship or even a smart phone. You need to cater to a wide range of users.
It's not about focusing all your resources on flagship models for a smaller group. They make a large profit on lower and mid range phones too.
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agreed, some buy the top end phones and figure there is no need for lower. It is kind of like when you hear "buy a BMW because there is no point to buying a lower quality car" Well what if they put even MORE R&D into it and now the phone was leagues better but cost $900 with a contract renewal? Its about making profit and producing what the market wants. one person once made a ton of money on a pet rock.
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This post demonstrates no business knowledge whatsoever. Like previously mentioned not everyone wants a flagship or even a smart phone. You need to cater to a wide range of users.
It's not about focusing all your resources on flagship models for a smaller group. They make a large profit on lower and mid range phones too.
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Well, the point is this.
HTC, Moto, and Samsung can all take huge advantage of economies of scale when they only make flagship model phones. How many components can Samsung share between the Galaxy S I, II, III and soon to be out IV?
Apple is making PLENTY of profit ONLY selling to people who want smart phones.
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Some people can't afford to pay flagship model prices.
More handsets with different ranges will appeal to more customers.
There is also those who don't need everything a top of the line phone has.
No way I am going to pay for the top of the line phone for my 12 year old son.
He doesn't need all the features, plus the fact that since he's a kid there is a greater chance of the phone meeting some kind of accident.
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The idea behind this is that everyone gets a flagship phone. You might not have the latest generation of the flagship phone, but it's still a flagship phone from its time.
The Galaxy S I was a flag ship phone and Samsung can now offer it for $0 with contract.
The Galaxy S II was a flag ship phone and Samsung can now offer it for $99 with contract.
The Galaxy S III is the CURRENT flag ship phone and Samsung offers it for $199 with contract.
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When the Galaxy S IV comes out, just phase out the Galaxy S I and offer this:
The Galaxy S II was a flag ship phone and Samsung can now offer it for $0 with contract.
The Galaxy S III was a flag ship phone and Samsung can now offer it for $99 with contract.
The Galaxy S IV is the CURRENT flag ship phone and Samsung offers it for $199 with contract.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I think it's the best business model out there! You can save more costs due to sharing some components across generations and everyone gets a flagship device. That alone does a lot for the perception of your brand. Apple doesn't make a crappy mid or low range phone, so their brand is never associated with cheapness. But, you can get an iphone 4 for cheap now, it's $0 with contract. It's also 3 generations behind...but that also means the parts inside it are cheaper to buy, because they too, are 3 generations behind.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to patent this business model!
Yup this I think, is what needs to happen. Way to may phones coming out every year. It would also help with updates. Cheap phones is what gives android a bad name. After someone buys a cheap crap phone then tries an iphone they always end up switching.
Well, your logic in saying they would save money by mass producing more of just one or fewer models is only partly true. Surely there's some benefit, but as large portions of the guts of these budget phones are just last year's processors and chips...what you're saying is already partly happening. I agree it is quite annoying and confusing to bother rereleasing slightly modified versions of previous models as budget phones, but I'm not sure that they truly would save much in terms of production from simplifying their lineups. There may be a certain logic to the rebranding as many average people don't realize they're buying old tech if it's just released, and look, cheaper!
The real benefits of condensing the amount of models is probably just to gain more notoriety for making one good phone, which I guess really is copying the Apple model. Only one laptop, one phone, yadda...which is kinda boring to me. Thus my preference would be to keep some variety out there, but if they are going to release more devices, add more actual variety, not just useless rebranded old models.
EDIT: Additional complaint...I really hate it when people worry about the extra 100 dollars up front for a phone that costs such a ginormous amount of money on contract
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Well, your logic in saying they would save money by mass producing more of just one or fewer models is only partly true. Surely there's some benefit, but as large portions of the guts of these budget phones are just last year's processors and chips...what you're saying is already partly happening. I agree it is quite annoying and confusing to bother rereleasing slightly modified versions of previous models as budget phones, but I'm not sure that they truly would save much in terms of production from simplifying their lineups. There may be a certain logic to the rebranding as many average people don't realize they're buying old tech if it's just released, and look, cheaper!
The real benefits of condensing the amount of models is probably just to gain more notoriety for making one good phone, which I guess really is copying the Apple model. Only one laptop, one phone, yadda...which is kinda boring to me. Thus my preference would be to keep some variety out there, but if they are going to release more devices, add more actual variety, not just useless rebranded old models.
EDIT: Additional complaint...I really hate it when people worry about the extra 100 dollars up front for a phone that costs such a ginormous amount of money on contract
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If you read my OP, I said they should release one flagship phone for each size segment. But for smaller players, like LG, just make one phone. Bigger players, like HTC, Samsung, Motorola....they can make a 4" phone, 5" phone and 4" phone with keyboard.
They all aren't going to make the exact same size 4" or 5" phones. Just look at all the models in the 4.x" range. You still will have the diversity of Android.
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Yup this I think, is what needs to happen. Way to may phones coming out every year. It would also help with updates. Cheap phones is what gives android a bad name. After someone buys a cheap crap phone then tries an iphone they always end up switching.
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You are 100% correct!!!
We should post on Moto, HTC and Samsung's Facebook pages and let them know what we want!
Apple will not have a chance in hell if each company only focused on one kickass, flagship device. Imagine the HUGE benefit to consumer as well!!!
The only problem I see is when your making only one phone or just a few phones and Apple gets them banned your SOL on all sales until its sorted.
In theory, this is a good idea. However, android technology evolves way too fast for this to work. It's possible to get a GS2 for free on contract and a GS3 for like $50 if you look hard enough. If you're really good, you can get really any phone (besides an iPhone) free on contract
People want different things though, i for one think 4.8 inches it's too large, and personally, if they fit some nice specs in a keyboard phone with unlockable bootloader AND removable battery, I'd be all over it. I like the options, and I'm sure many others enjoy having a choice as well.
And keyboard phones don't sell like they use to so they're no longer flagship phones, even the Droid series is dissolving.
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Only if they happened to have designed the perfect budget phone 2 years ago, no changes necessary (or, in the case of apple, if your consumers don't care and would just buy anyway). Reading your example, this new phone was designed precisely because they were able to add newer, better components while still keeping it a budget phone.
Now, your strategy might make sense for some (say, if your company can't afford to spend the money, HTC style) but I doubt you'd convince someone like samsung, whose business model is based on one-upping their opponents in all areas, to do so. As Ashton suggested, Android (unlike the iPhone) is driven too hard by competition, so that the vendors are forced to evolve even their budget lines.
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Only if they happened to have designed the perfect budget phone 2 years ago, no changes necessary (or, in the case of apple, if your consumers don't care and would just buy anyway). Reading your example, this new phone was designed precisely because they were able to add newer, better components while still keeping it a budget phone.
Now, your strategy might make sense for some (say, if your company can't afford to spend the money, HTC style) but I doubt you'd convince someone like samsung, whose business model is based on one-upping their opponents in all areas, to do so. As Ashton suggested, Android (unlike the iPhone) is driven too hard by competition, so that the vendors are forced to evolve even their budget lines.
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So, none of the antagonizing arguments make sense.
If Android vendors are under more competition, then it makes MORE sense to adopt this business model.
It's no wonder Jelly Bean web penetration is only at 1.2% a full two months after its release. Look at the staggering amount of handsets that have to be upgraded. Even the SGS3, a flagship phone, isn't getting JB until October. But, the Nexus S has it already...because Google only makes one model. Say Samsung cut down to only producing the GS and Note series phones and just used the previous gen models to sell as "budget" phones. It would be so much easier to do software upgrades for their customers (which is what everyone wants...check their FB page, number one question is...when is my phone going to get the next update?).
Also, the whole argument about diversity has already addressed. HTC, Moto and Samsung all aren't going to make the same size phones. That's not to mention the smaller players like Sony, LG, etc. They'll all stake a claim somewhere in the 4"-5" range. HTC and Samsung will also stake claims in the 5"+ territory.
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In theory, this is a good idea. However, android technology evolves way too fast for this to work. It's possible to get a GS2 for free on contract and a GS3 for like $50 if you look hard enough. If you're really good, you can get really any phone (besides an iPhone) free on contract
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That sounds counter intuitive. If Android tech evolves really fast, then that's actually all the more reason to adopt this model. The budget phone segment will get a new "update" every 9mos or whatever the cycle is at now that new flagship versions are being released. Samsung and others can allocate more engineers to work on just two models and get software updates out faster.
Engaget is reporting a world wide recall of the Note 7 because of exploding batteries.
Hopefully they will also deal with the Gorilla Glass 5 problem too.
Shofar1
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It seems a full recall of all phones sold. Hopefully they also replace the Samsung screen protector I bought with the phone
An official statement by Samsung.
"Statement on Galaxy Note 7
Samsung is committed to producing the highest quality products and we take every incident report from our valued customers very seriously. In response to recently reported cases of the new Galaxy Note 7, we conducted a thorough investigation and found a battery cell issue.
To date (as of September 1) there have been 35 cases that have been reported globally and we are currently conducting a thorough inspection with our suppliers to identify possible affected batteries in the market. However, because our customers' safety is an absolute priority at Samsung, we have stopped sales of the Galaxy Note 7.
For customers who already have Galaxy Note 7 devices, we will voluntarily replace their current device with a new one over the coming weeks.
We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause in the market but this is to ensure that Samsung continues to deliver the highest quality products to our customers. We are working closely with our partners to ensure the replacement experience is as convenient and efficient as possible."
Lets see what happens.
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Thank goodness I haven't gotten my unit yet!!! Long business trips do have their benefits.
One interesting takeaway from the CNN story's the quote from the President of Sammy's Mobile Communications about how much the recall's going to cost: "it is a big amount that is heartbreaking." Looks like they're going to have huge write-offs.
Maybe they'll have to bin all the batches they're recalling and the suspect ones in inventory. Then there's the issue of lost sales and some people not wanting to buy even later batches because -- well, because you never know. I mean -- Google Pixel Phone Plus (or whatever it's called) -- here I come!!!
The problem with these metal and glass devices is they can't just open these things, replace the batteries and re-ship them. Those glass backs will inevitably break during the process. The colored foil behind the glass is also going to have to be replaced. Then there's the waterproofing...
I wonder if it's simply a battery flaw or a design flaw that causes the device to overheat under certain circumstances. Global recalls like this don't just happen unless there's a very serious issue, regardless of what Sammy's lawyers wrote in their official release. I've been buying smartphones since the early days and this is the only time I can remember a recall of this scale happening.
While it's nice that Sammy was so quick to address it, it's a damn shame because the Note 7 was their best device yet.
The irony is that if Sammy had insisted on keeping their plastic designs -- the same designs we crucified them for -- or maintained removable batteries in metal-framed phones (hello Note 4!) -- this could've been addressed with in-store battery exchanges. Again, that's assuming it's not a design flaw.
And I have such a good device too. None of this user created lag or battery drain.... Sigh.
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Interestingly me and a friend of mine have not had any of the issues mentioned here "yet" battery life is amazing and no boot loop. And we were also part of the pre-order batch.
I demand compensation for my Temperglass screen!!... everything else i could backup and transfer easily... i still have to fine tune a few other setting that dont let me "backup setting"
After this Samsung's recall statement will be known worldwide, IMHO the Note 7 reputation, confidence and appeal for the customers will be heavily affected....
Therefore I personally expect the announcement of the release of a new revised model, for example a Note "7s" with a Snapdragon 821 and 6 GB of RAM, very soon, just before Christmas time, to compete with new Apple's and Google's smartphones.
what if mine is ok ?
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You think we will have the option to change color of phone in recall?
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what if mine is ok
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
This is scaring me at the moment... I was one of the first to get this device in the world during it's release in Dubai.
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
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That's actually a great point. I love my phone, it's performing perfectly, but you don't just do a worldwide recall because a couple people used a bad charger. They were able to recreate it.
It is sad, this is undoubtedly the best phone Samsung has ever made and it's going to be a financial and PR disaster. On the other hand, those of us who stick with it will probably get a 2nd promotional item haha.
Really sucks but yeah hopefully they will give us something free for the inconvenience or some money for the screen protectors everyone has already purchased and put on the phone...
Feel bad for them though and all of the bad pr. This is an amazing phone and I love it. I guess they will be taking quality control much more seriously in the future (they should have originally since it is the most expensive phone ever).
The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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Today was the official date, but Carphone Warehouse gave me my N7 on Tuesday!
It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
DITTO on the Screen Protector issue!
It was so dang hard to find my genuine samsung screen protectors, not to mention the cost. It came with two but used them both already since both my wife and I have the same phones. Right after I finalized my purchase from ebay (the only US seller I've found period), the guy jacked the price from $16.99 to $99 and then to a clown-shoes $299. The samsung SP is actually curved and, IMO, feels great. Hopefully I can get them to pony up a replacement set.
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It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
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I bet Apple (and Samsung) have failure lights around the building that flash when theres a fail...
Apple will send everyone home early today!
What do you think?
I have read it will cost in the US 650$, how much will it be in the European in €?
What do you say about a waterproof Pixel and will it have a hard button home key?
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What do you think?
I have read it will cost in the US 650$, how much will it be in the European in â?¬?
What do you say about a waterproof Pixel and will it have a hard button home key?
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Not waterproof
www.androidpolice.com/2016/09/21/googles-pixel-phones-will-be-ip53-rated-meaning-no-dunking-your-pixel-or-hosing-it-down
Can't see there being a home button either.
Google doesn't do physical or capacitive buttons on the front.
A home button isn't entirely impossible. Case leaks include one on the front, oddly, and the actual photo leaks I've seen have the same area blurred. It wouldn't make sense, but there is evidence to support it. As for waterproofing, it would make sense for them to, but if we haven't seen any info on it yet, it's probably not going to happen
I imagine maybe there is a fingerprint sensor or something along those lines in the front below the screen embedded in the glass
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I imagine maybe there is a fingerprint sensor or something along those lines in the front below the screen embedded in the glass
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The fingerprint sensor is actually on the back of the phone. Since the speakers are bottom firing, maybe they will take up more space than standard speakers?
Man, I REALLY hope they put a MicroSD.
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Man, I REALLY hope they put a MicroSD.
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It's funny because this year it looks like expandable storage is the least thing everybody seem to worry about.
Regarding the price: If the US price is really $650 then I'd expect a similar € price here in Europe. They'd have a hard time convincing us to pay a higher price than most flagship smartphones (e.g. Galaxy S7) without offering some of the features they offer (waterproof, expandable storage)
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What do you think?
I have read it will cost in the US 650$, how much will it be in the European in €?
What do you say about a waterproof Pixel and will it have a hard button home key?
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Probably the same amount (649) but in Euro`s. If all the rumors are correct this will be a expensive device, the XL will cost even more off course maybe even up to 700-750 euro`s, its not waterproof, non expandable storage and rooting Nougat will be harder and harder as Google is gradualy locking down android to obtain root.
I will not pay this amount for a Google phone considering i bought the blue Honor 8 for 399 euro`s wich overall is a great device with a killer camera and fingerprint scanner.
The rumor is that the smaller Pixel will start at $650. No one seems to know what the extra storage will cost, but since Google is trying to replicate Apple's pricing, I would expect an Apple-like matrix. That would put the fatter sailfish at $750. The Pixel XL would then come in at $770 and $870. That also puts them roughly in parity with the Samsung Galaxy S7, but with a larger screen. Of course, the difference is that you can add a comparatively cheap (read, less than $100) SD card to a S7. It is less than the $900 asking price for a Note 7, but it also lacks the stylus and has a smaller display.
I'm hoping this is off, but at this point it's looking pretty likely.
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It's funny because this year it looks like expandable storage is the least thing everybody seem to worry about.
Regarding the price: If the US price is really $650 then I'd expect a similar € price here in Europe. They'd have a hard time convincing us to pay a higher price than most flagship smartphones (e.g. Galaxy S7) without offering some of the features they offer (waterproof, expandable storage)
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Now that Samsung gave me 4 256gb SD cards Ill be stuck with MicroSD card phones for a bit
If this thing is over 600 bucks nobody better buy it. Once we do the line will be drawn and they will never turn back.
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If this thing is over 600 bucks nobody better buy it. Once we do the line will be drawn and they will never turn back.
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Considering that the Nexus 6 was $699, I'd say that that line has already been surpassed.
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Considering that the Nexus 6 was $699, I'd say that that line has already been surpassed.
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The Nexus 6 didn't exactly fly off the shelves either. Part of that may be the lack of demand for such an enormous device, but I suspect a big part of that was the price tag and Google's typical mucking up of marketing campaigns.
The only Android OEM to maintain those kinds of flagship prices successfully has been Samsung. Everyone else has either had to back off (LG) or suffered poor sales performance (hTC).
Now, in their defense, Google always intended the Nexus devices to be "developer phones", so they probably didn't care too much that the 6 wasn't exactly the hottest ticket going.
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The Nexus 6 didn't exactly fly off the shelves either. Part of that may be the lack of demand for such an enormous device, but I suspect a big part of that was the price tag and Google's typical mucking up of marketing campaigns.
The only Android OEM to maintain those kinds of flagship prices successfully has been Samsung. Everyone else has either had to back off (LG) or suffered poor sales performance (hTC).
Now, in their defense, Google always intended the Nexus devices to be "developer phones", so they probably didn't care too much that the 6 wasn't exactly the hottest ticket going.
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What do you base that on?
The reality is quite the contrary, Nexus 6 sales *exceeded* expectations quite dramatically. They were persistently short on meeting demands until well into 2015 -- first sell date was in November 2014. That doesn't happen when you are having a hard time selling them.
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What do you base that on?
The reality is quite the contrary, Nexus 6 sales *exceeded* expectations quite dramatically. They were persistently short on meeting demands until well into 2015 -- first sell date was in November 2014. That doesn't happen when you are having a hard time selling them.
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Google themselves admitted that the Nexus 6 (and the 9) didn't meet their sales expectations, to the point where they impacted revenue statements in 2015. They sold reasonably well, but they weren't barn burners. Now, part of that is the fact that they couldn't keep sufficient stock, which I chalk up to Google's "typical mucking up" of consumer launches, and part of that was the fact that the 6 wasn't sold through carriers.
I suspect the latter is probably the bigger factor. It's a lot easier to charge $800+ for a flagship when the customer can finance it through their phone bill than it is to extend that as a separate loan. As such, it's possible the Pixel phones may be able to pull off the higher pricing now that the carriers are on board with selling them.
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Google themselves admitted that the Nexus 6 (and the 9) didn't meet their sales expectations, to the point where they impacted revenue statements in 2015. They sold reasonably well, but they weren't barn burners. Now, part of that is the fact that they couldn't keep sufficient stock, which I chalk up to Google's "typical mucking up" of consumer launches, and part of that was the fact that the 6 wasn't sold through carriers.
I suspect the latter is probably the bigger factor. It's a lot easier to charge $800+ for a flagship when the customer can finance it through their phone bill than it is to extend that as a separate loan. As such, it's possible the Pixel phones may be able to pull off the higher pricing now that the carriers are on board with selling them.
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When did "google themselves" say that? Especially since everybody and his brother and his uncle and his cousin and his ..... has a nexus 9.....
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When did "google themselves" say that? Especially since everybody and his brother and his uncle and his cousin and his ..... has a nexus 9.....
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Look, I'm not anti-Google, and I actually liked the Nexus line, so I have no particular axe to grind. However, you will find that in 2015, Google CFO Patrick Pichette stated as much in the Q1 guidance to investors. Additionally, Motorola has independently discussed the fact that the Nexus 6 didn't perform as well in the market as they would have liked, so it's not like this is some new piece of information. Now, anecdotally, I have only seen a handful of Nexus 6 devices roaming wild, and I work in a very tech-oriented town. Instead, I see what you might expect - mostly iPhones, Galaxy S6/7s and Notes, with a smattering of older Nexus devices - particularly the 5. I saw a guy with a 6P the other day in the parking lot, but I only remember that because it's the first one I've seen so far.
I have yet to see a single Nexus 9 in my town. When I do see a tablet in the wild here, it is almost invariably an iPad or iPad pro, though I have seen a few Galaxy tabs and Nexus 7's.
Now, no one is calling these devices failures, or bad. However, they didn't sell to Google or Motorola's expectations for a variety of reasons, and it is likely why the Nexus 6 was the last actual 6" Nexus device made.
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Look, I'm not anti-Google, and I actually liked the Nexus line, so I have no particular axe to grind. However, you will find that in 2015, Google CFO Patrick Pichette stated as much in the Q1 guidance to investors. Additionally, Motorola has independently discussed the fact that the Nexus 6 didn't perform as well in the market as they would have liked, so it's not like this is some new piece of information. Now, anecdotally, I have only seen a handful of Nexus 6 devices roaming wild, and I work in a very tech-oriented town. Instead, I see what you might expect - mostly iPhones, Galaxy S6/7s and Notes, with a smattering of older Nexus devices - particularly the 5. I saw a guy with a 6P the other day in the parking lot, but I only remember that because it's the first one I've seen so far.
I have yet to see a single Nexus 9 in my town. When I do see a tablet in the wild here, it is almost invariably an iPad or iPad pro, though I have seen a few Galaxy tabs and Nexus 7's.
Now, no one is calling these devices failures, or bad. However, they didn't sell to Google or Motorola's expectations for a variety of reasons, and it is likely why the Nexus 6 was the last actual 6" Nexus device made.
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So you're taking BUSINESS EXCUSES as fact? That's silly.
Anyone hear anything about a notification light?
I really miss this from my Nexus 5 and enabling it on my Nexus 6 was a pain. The 5X and 6P have it. I would rather have a notification light than the ambient display.
I will consistently miss the "pulsing" ambient display notification, or when I pick up the phone to put it in my pocket etc, the motion will turn on the screen and I'll accidentally activate some app on the phone or change a setting accidentally.
I'd rather not have the screen on unless I turn it on.
-J
Doesn't it seem a bit sketchy to anyone that OnePlus is so close to all tech reviewer, none of the reviews mentioned display issue(might be clean units)! People count on tech reviewers before buying a cellphone in terms of pros and cons and having them by your side with some smart trick (which even reviewers might unaware of) is good business case I believe
I don't trust OP any more. Remember they did a display mate test done which shows highest brightness and perfect display etc.
Soon after the release they lower maximum and minimum brightness of op8 pro which is a form of cheating.
Wait for few days and get actual hands reviews and then buy phones especially OnePlus
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Doesn't it seem a bit sketchy to anyone that OnePlus is so close to all tech reviewer, none of the reviews mentioned display issue(might be clean units)! People count on tech reviewers before buying a cellphone in terms of pros and cons and having them by your side with some smart trick (which even reviewers might unaware of) is good business case I believe
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Not sketchy at all, it's a common practice in promotion of new gadgets. All the reviewers I've seen (big and small) receive phones from many different brands. Are the reviewers close to all the brand's, most reviews of the Samsung S20 didn't mention the different chipsets are they all in bed with Samsung??
Not to mention took money for a 4 camera setup.. and then disabled one of them.. liars and cheaters
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Not sketchy at all, it's a common practice in promotion of new gadgets. All the reviewers I've seen (big and small) receive phones from many different brands. Are the reviewers close to all the brand's, most reviews of the Samsung S20 didn't mention the different chipsets are they all in bed with Samsung??
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Havent seen MrWhoseTheBoss for snapdragon vs Exynos?
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Havent seen MrWhoseTheBoss for snapdragon vs Exynos?
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Didn't you read "most"
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Not sketchy at all, it's a common practice in promotion of new gadgets. All the reviewers I've seen (big and small) receive phones from many different brands. Are the reviewers close to all the brand's, most reviews of the Samsung S20 didn't mention the different chipsets are they all in bed with Samsung??
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Also it doesn't necessarily point out to reviewers being in bed with brands, I was indicating about review models and retail models might be differently built, just a possibility..
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Doesn't it seem a bit sketchy to anyone that OnePlus is so close to all tech reviewer, none of the reviews mentioned display issue(might be clean units)! People count on tech reviewers before buying a cellphone in terms of pros and cons and having them by your side with some smart trick (which even reviewers might unaware of) is good business case I believe
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I don't trust OP any more. Remember they did a display mate test done which shows highest brightness and perfect display etc.
Soon after the release they lower maximum and minimum brightness of op8 pro which is a form of cheating.
Wait for few days and get actual hands reviews and then buy phones especially OnePlus
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I agree they are very close to youtubers, but on the contrary, that's how I discovered the Oneplus One. Today's videos were first impressions only videos, I believe MKBHD said that. They arnt allowed to post full reviews, positive or otherwise for a while.
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I agree they are very close to youtubers, but on the contrary, that's how I discovered the Oneplus One. Today's videos were first impressions only videos, I believe MKBHD said that. They arnt allowed to post full reviews, positive or otherwise for a while.
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Yes saw mkbhd, but atleast after couple of weeks they should have discovered and made a video about it.. it seems they all hid it saying their unit didn't have an issue (which is highly unlikely) or else as I pointed out earlier, they were given better version than retail unit..
People trust the tech reviewers, they encourage or discourage the purchase decisions so taking proper care of them by any means seem to be a viable option than mainstream marketing..
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Yes saw mkbhd, but atleast after couple of weeks they should have discovered and made a video about it.. it seems they all hid it saying their unit didn't have an issue (which is highly unlikely) or else as I pointed out earlier, they were given better version than retail unit..
People trust the tech reviewers, they encourage or discourage the purchase decisions so taking proper care of them by any means seem to be a viable option than mainstream marketing..
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I work on IT, so I don't "trust" anyone specifically, I always do more research, but I would be lying if some of the tech you tubers hadn't influenced my decision. Unbox therapy did a speaker video, and after some research I picked one up. Been running for over 5 years now, no issues. My OP8 Pro has no issues, that I can see, but I have a friend with one that's had constant issues. Only difference. Is, I ordered through my carrier, my friend did direct from OnePlus
The full reviews will be out soon, I'm sure those that arnt just in for the money will share issues, linus tech tips is one I know. Will do that.
The display-issue that I've seen so many rant about; is that on the Exynos version?
I have the Snapdragon-version (EU, IN2023), and I have no issues with display-tint of any kind.
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The display-issue that I've seen so many rant about; is that on the Snapdragon version?
I have the Exynos (EU), and I have no issues with display-tint of any kind.
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The OnePlus 8 Pro is only made with Snapdragon. Samsung devices have either Exynos or Snapdragon.
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Yes saw mkbhd, but atleast after couple of weeks they should have discovered and made a video about it.. it seems they all hid it saying their unit didn't have an issue (which is highly unlikely) or else as I pointed out earlier, they were given better version than retail unit..
People trust the tech reviewers, they encourage or discourage the purchase decisions so taking proper care of them by any means seem to be a viable option than mainstream marketing..
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Why is it highly unlikely? Plenty of people have no issues. My screen is perfect, as are many others here.
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The OnePlus 8 Pro is only Snapdragon.
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My bad.
I have an S10e for work that I've messed around with this past few days as well,
and that's the device that has Snapdragon in the EU and Exynos in US.
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Why is it highly unlikely? Plenty of people have no issues. My screen is perfect, as are many others here.
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Glad to hear that your screen is perfect,out of curiousity just follow these steps and let us know the result at dark environment :
1. Turn on night mode
2. Turn on power saving mode
3. Install darker app from store and set the brightness to 50%
After doing this try accessing this xda app or else see the windowless grey screen on chrome..
Many people dont realize whether they have issue or not since they use the device at optimal setting in which case lowest brightness is bumped up so OnePlus tried well to cover up a hardware issue by doing so.
By the way, I noticed these issue on first day itself still kept the device, rest features are overwhelming as opposed to this issue..
The only area of concern is that whether it will get worse as the device age
My main concern is image retention, my device has it , have replace 3 units (indian) but I still have image retention, I am tierd of replacing and decided to keep it ,
I am afraid I will have burn in in a month
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Glad to hear that your screen is perfect,out of curiousity just follow these steps and let us know the result at dark environment :
1. Turn on night mode
2. Turn on power saving mode
3. Install darker app from store and set the brightness to 50%
After doing this try accessing this xda app or else see the windowless grey screen on chrome..
Many people dont realize whether they have issue or not since they use the device at optimal setting in which case lowest brightness is bumped up so OnePlus tried well to cover up a hardware issue by doing so.
By the way, I noticed these issue on first day itself still kept the device, rest features are overwhelming as opposed to this issue..
The only area of concern is that whether it will get worse as the device age
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Done this a few times in the last few months with no issues. My blacks are good, no retention, etc. Others have as well. If you check some of the other screen threads you'll come across them
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Done this a few times in the last few months with no issues. My blacks are good, no retention, etc. Others have as well. If you check some of the other screen threads you'll come across them
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Are you using black theme all time to save battery ?
sandeshdj said:
Doesn't it seem a bit sketchy to anyone that OnePlus is so close to all tech reviewer, none of the reviews mentioned display issue(might be clean units)! People count on tech reviewers before buying a cellphone in terms of pros and cons and having them by your side with some smart trick (which even reviewers might unaware of) is good business case I believe
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Because it isn't as widespread as people are making out.
There's always issues on all phones, vast majority of people don't have them.
I've not had a single one of the reported issues anyone's complained about.
Not to say that they don't exist but they affect such a small number.
If a reviewer received a study unit do you not think they'd mention it? Theitr hits would go through the roof which at the end of the day is all they care about.
More to that point. If you were OnePlus aware of potential screen issues, don't you think you'd check the unit before sending it? I dunno.
I know several of the main reviewers use the 8pro as their daily phone and nothing has been said about screen issues or anything else anyone has complained about here.
Personally I think it's simply due to the fact that it affects a very small number of phones and on average of you order a phone, chances are you will not have the aforementioned issues.
This has been a thing for a long time where OnePlus receives universal praise from reviewers. Downplay the shortcomings and cost cutting, and justify the elements that ARE in the phone. Making excuses for the lack off water resistance rating, among other things.
I think Marques does a great job on his channel and I watch all of this videos. But the fact that he had Pete Lau on to talk about the inner workings of the company, and then had a glowing "impressions" video soon after, doesn't look good, EVEN IF it was his honest assessment. They need to maintain the good graces of OnePlus by either staying neutral on their review or being positive about it to continue to get access.
Linus is another who does this. He went on that factory tour of the assembly of the...6t? 6 maybe? And then soon after came out with a great review of that unit. Bad look overall, regardless of whether it was truthful. He has a greater propensity to tell you the nitpicky things about the phone though at least.
We all like OnePlus phones or we wouldn't be on here, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't get impartial reviews from people we have grown to trust. It's a slippery slope, and some YouTubers have been slipping real bad lately.