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(Apologies if this has been asked before or if it's mind-bogglingly retarded.)
What we have with the SGS2 is remarkable - it's as powerful as a netbook, with video-out and USB host functionality.
It seems to me that carrying such a super-phone alongside a netbook would be a waste of money and effort, when the processor in the SGS2 is more than up to scratch.
So what would be the obstacles in making a "shell" that provided a laptop-like keyboard, mouse and screen, with an SGS2 where the processor, RAM and so on would normally be housed? (The SGS2 would be removable, of course.)
These are the ones I can think of:
USB/Bluetooth keyboard support - may have to be Bluetooth keyboard.
Touch input? (May have to be Bluetooth mouse, but mouse input is possible in Android)
Connecting a monitor and USB device through the same USB port (not necessary if keyboard/mouse are Bluetooth)
Battery life - just make the shell house a fat battery!
So let's say we could piece all that together - a keyboard, mouse, battery and screen in one shell. It could come out considerably cheaper and lighter than a netbook, with all the SGS2's media playback abilities, internet without having to tether, and no need to change apps when going from netbook to phone.
There's probably something I haven't thought of, but I couldn't resist posting.
Thoughts?
I would love to see something like this happen. The SGS2 will be my first Android phone, coming from WinMo, so I've no idea what is available or is possible with the OS. One reason I bought this phone was because I wanted to connect a Bluetooth keyboard (and mouse?) to it and keep it mounted on a dock or stand right below my two monitors at work, serving as an internet/chat/email computer, instead of taking my phone AND laptop to work every day.
Now I may be mistaken, but MHL doesn't support simultaneous USB and HDMI out, so if you wanted to connect input devices AND have monitor out, I'd guess the keyboard and mouse would have to be Bluetooth, as you've mentioned. One thing that interests me is something the Wiki entry mentions:
"The HDTV remote will control the connected device with guaranteed mixed manufacturer interoperability."
So perhaps one day we might see some SGS2 "lapdock" like the Atrix?
Check out what the guy says at 8:50 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA
He says, basically, that he can connect the device to a tv through MHL, connect a BT keyboard and mouse, then sit back on his couch and use his device like a living room PC.
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I put it in the top lid of my logitech dinovo mini with some rubber bands.
Looks like sh*t, but works really well!
//Gunnar
You won't be able to do a full netbook, because the microUSB connector on the SGS2 can be used either as microUSB or MHL (HDMI video out + charger input); the two functions of the connector are mutually exclusive. So, if you're piping the SGS2's video out to the shell's display, you have no USB, and if you're using the USB, there's no external video.
You might be able to use some kind of remoting software to work around this & use the USB functionality of the SGS2; the shell would have something like a VNC client installed, then connect to server software on the SGS2 (over WiFi or BT networking).
Hm, are you 100% sure about them being mutually exclusive?
GunnarKarlsson said:
I put it in the top lid of my logitech dinovo mini with some rubber bands.
Looks like sh*t, but works really well!
//Gunnar
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Interesting, but I would still prefer a full size keyboard.
How is it connected? USB? BT?
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You might be able to use some kind of remoting software to work around this & use the USB functionality of the SGS2; the shell would have something like a VNC client installed, then connect to server software on the SGS2 (over WiFi or BT networking).
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No idea how this can be realized. Afaik, there is a VNC client installed, but no server.
Guess it is easier to try what is mentioned above :
Use NHL to get the monitor working and BT for the keyboard. Would be good to have some profile, which enables the BT keyboard when NHL is plugged, maybe through locale or so.
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I know this thread is kinda old now, but some recent tech news brought this idea back to memory for me. ICE Computer showed a docking tablet they call Trinity at Computex 2011, which apparently can be made to dock with nearly any phone or even a PC module. I didn't find too much info that wasn't regurgitated between sites, but it sounds like they won't be selling it themselves, rather they'll sell it to other companies who want one for their device.
My hope is they'll sell some kind of universal version that takes different phones and maybe just requires a different-shaped module for different phones. Here's a link to the Engadget post, but there are other pages that describe what it does and when it should be available.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/ice-computer-shows-off-trinity-modular-tablet-concept-aims-for/
Add a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, perhaps a stand, and voila!
Need a solution like this
1) MHL output to a tv/ monitor
2) Bluetooth keyboard and mouse work over HID profile
3) Remote Desktop software that allows use of external keyboard and mouse and which can output native resolution rather than just mirroring the screen.
Hi Everybody!
I've been looking on forum for a thread similar but i couln't find one, so i'll try to explain what i'm trying to do with my phone and let's see if someone already got it.
Well, since i got the SGS3 on my hands for the fist time, i could feel how much hardware it does have and thinking about how much it's portable and easy to take, so i start to thinking if is posible to make some kind of "DeskDock" with some accesories.
I have a Logitech Unifying keyboard and a mouse wich means that with only one dongle i can connect both devices to it. Last week i brought a OTG cable and i tryed to connect it on my phone and it worked almost perfectly (some issues with keyboard layout, but nothing else), i got impressed that all functions keys from my keyboard was working.
Ok, got this point i was thinking how could i connect my OTG cable and also a MHL cable, so i can have HDMI-OUT and my keyboard and mouse working.
If this work i can have a totally functional desktop with 24 inches screen. I know that maybe people wont see any sense making it, but in my case i don't have a Netbook (i don't even like) and if i could get this working, i was thinking about run linux on my phone and get a full desktop experience.
Is anybody there who tried it?
I was thinking about some kind of USB HUB, but i have no idea if my phone would support it...
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Hi Everybody!
I've been looking on forum for a thread similar but i couln't find one, so i'll try to explain what i'm trying to do with my phone and let's see if someone already got it.
Well, since i got the SGS3 on my hands for the fist time, i could feel how much hardware it does have and thinking about how much it's portable and easy to take, so i start to thinking if is posible to make some kind of "DeskDock" with some accesories.
I have a Logitech Unifying keyboard and a mouse wich means that with only one dongle i can connect both devices to it. Last week i brought a OTG cable and i tryed to connect it on my phone and it worked almost perfectly (some issues with keyboard layout, but nothing else), i got impressed that all functions keys from my keyboard was working.
Ok, got this point i was thinking how could i connect my OTG cable and also a MHL cable, so i can have HDMI-OUT and my keyboard and mouse working.
If this work i can have a totally functional desktop with 24 inches screen. I know that maybe people wont see any sense making it, but in my case i don't have a Netbook (i don't even like) and if i could get this working, i was thinking about run linux on my phone and get a full desktop experience.
Is anybody there who tried it?
I was thinking about some kind of USB HUB, but i have no idea if my phone would support it...
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there are many OTHER threads already with people working on this
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ATM not possible.. yet.
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there are many OTHER threads already with people working on this
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ATM not possible.. yet.
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Ok thanks (Y) BTW i didn't find any other thread related with accessories. I only saw a couple of people talking about run linux without using VNC :cyclops:
I'll keeping looking on internet to see if i can get something new :victory:
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Ok thanks (Y) BTW i didn't find any other thread related with accessories. I only saw a couple of people talking about run linux without using VNC :cyclops:
I'll keeping looking on internet to see if i can get something new :victory:
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just look on this subforum for MHL and OTG.
Why not just by an "android PC" or the android TV box. It is basically a powerful tablet computer in a 3 inch square box with HDMI, two or three usb ports, wireless wifi and and SD card port. Cost less than $75 or you can spend more and even get a dual core . I have one on both of my big screen tv's with a wireless mouse (but for pc application you just use a combo keyboard mouse. Much easier and much more simple.
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Why not just by an "android PC" or the android TV box. It is basically a powerful tablet computer in a 3 inch square box with HDMI, two or three usb ports, wireless wifi and and SD card port. Cost less than $75 or you can spend more and even get a dual core . I have one on both of my big screen tv's with a wireless mouse (but for pc application you just use a combo keyboard mouse. Much easier and much more simple.
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For most of us, it is the ability to take our "PC" with us, as a working tablet. For others, it is that when we get home, we want to just plug in our phone, and have larger everything.. but still use all the apps, and bookmarks etc that are the on the phone. For the rest.. it is about the cool factor.
I've been searching and I'm not finding any real answers which leads me to believe that it won't be possible without a digital converter box. I'm looking for some type of analog out adapter for my S3. I would like to hook it up to my car's in-dash head unit which does not support HDMI. Now a days a regular micro usb port on these phones seem to be used for every purpose. I do want video. Has anyone had any luck?
EDIT: This post started with 6 adapters and has dwindled down to just 3. I'm surprised to find the S3 VGA adapter but this is the digital to analog converter I need. The total cost is about $30. I pulled the trigger and will update you guys in a few weeks once it arrives.
Samsung Galaxy S3 S III i9300 MHL Micro USB 11p to VGA
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sam-sung-Ga...372122?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a7a349f1a
VGA to Composite
http://ebay.com/itm/PC-VGA-to-TV-S-...=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item337c25cbe6
3.5mm to Composite
http://ebay.com/itm/3-5MM-Male-Audi...=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item45faa58acf
Edit: Wow I feel dumb... You can't convert from VGA to Composite without a converter box. What a waste. I was focusing on the conversion from digital to analog and didn't consider the encoding is different... The VGA out does however work with my HDTV. It's not great though. The output is fixed at the 720p resolution which means it uses about 1/3th of my 1080p screen. The screen flickers occasionally too. Sometimes it won't even work without a minute of messing with the cables. The screen is just staticy until I get it right. It has however gotten better so maybe it needed to break in or something. Either way, I guess I'm going to buy an HDMI to Composite converter box instead.
Moved to first post.
Heck, a raspberry pi is cheaper than these converter boxes and it's a full computer.
Moved to first post.
I'd be I interested in one of these too. For the same reason
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Anyone ever used one of these? I'm curious if the micro usb port will both charge my phone and power the converter.
Use this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271014996085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Got good reviews on amazon, im planing to buy one soon
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Use this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271014996085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Got good reviews on amazon, im planing to buy one soon
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Seems nice! Waiting for feedback...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0080KN18K/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1
Here are the reviews on amazon
0mega007 said:
Use this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271014996085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Got good reviews on amazon, im planing to buy one soon
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That's the guy I was looking at first but you have to buy a 5 to 11 pin adapter, an MHL HDMI cable, and then the converter. That's around $50. The VGA adapter will only run you $30.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sam-sung-Ga...jectors-Adapter-/251158372122?#ht_5213wt_1163
Wow I feel dumb... You can't convert from VGA to Composite without a converter box. What a waste. I was focusing on the conversion from digital to analog and didn't consider the encoding is different... The VGA out does however work with my HDTV. It's not great though. The output is fixed at the 720p resolution which means it uses about 1/3th of my 1080p screen. The screen flickers occasionally too. Sometimes it won't even work without a minute of messing with the cables. The screen is just staticy until I get it right. It has however gotten better so maybe it needed to break in or something. Either way, I guess I'm going to buy an HDMI to Composite converter box instead.
Raspberry Pi
Hopefully people are still reading this... Someone had mentioned a Raspberry Pi... How would I go about using that to connect my phone to my car system to get video? any ideas anyone?
What car system do you have? What kind of input methods are available? What are you trying to achieve?
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What car system do you have? What kind of input methods are available? What are you trying to achieve?
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I have an Avic Z1 in my car. The video inputs are just RCA/Component cables... no high-def. I essentially just want to be able to play movies off my phone onto my screen/sound system in my car. I have a Raspberry Pi sitting around; I've never used it though, so no idea what to do with it. I'm hoping I can use that so I don't have to buy anything else. Any ideas?
Well, the Pi does have RCA output. So you could connect it to your Z1. The Pi is a little computer on its own. You could just use it instead of your phone and put your movies on a sd card or a thump drive. It is possible to use the Pi as a dlna device and your phone as a dlna server that transmits movies to the Pi which in turn outputs the video to your Z1. That however isn't the easiest of feats. It takes a lot more effort than a plug and play solution like a hdmi to RCA converter box would.
The Pi is linux based and I don't use Linux. So I don't know if Linux can work with the MPA or whatever that standard is named, that the S3 uses instead of the standard older phones are using which makes them appear on a computer like a harddrive when connected via USB. If Linux can work with the S3 you could just connect it and use it as a Harddrive, using the computer system of the Pi to navigate content on your phone. Would be a lot easier than streaming.
Anyway, there are a couple of ways you could use the Pi but none of them are easy out of the box solutions. The Pi is more of a developer device at least when you want to do more than what the Linux distributions that are available can offer. There are some that offer that DLNA feature I was talking about. Look for XBMC, there are Videos on Youtube. All those solutions aren't plug and play. If you like playing with computers and figuring out stuff, make it work, this should be fun for you. If not, you better think of something else to do with your time.
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Looked it up. It's called MHL, not MPA.
Plug and Play would be to use one of those:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanoxy-HDMI-Composite-S-Video-Converter/dp/B0047PDBP0
You'd also need a MHL Cable that turns your Micro USB out to a HDMI out, Plug it into the converter and said converter into your Z1. Once you've set that up with all the cables needed (quite a lot of cables going on there), it will be plug and play in the future.
Not cheap, so it depends on how often you are going to use it, if it's a worthwhile endeavor.
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Well, the Pi does have RCA output. So you could connect it to your Z1. The Pi is a little computer on its own. You could just use it instead of your phone and put your movies on a sd card or a thump drive. It is possible to use the Pi as a dlna device and your phone as a dlna server that transmits movies to the Pi which in turn outputs the video to your Z1. That however isn't the easiest of feats. It takes a lot more effort than a plug and play solution like a hdmi to RCA converter box would.
The Pi is linux based and I don't use Linux. So I don't know if Linux can work with the MPA or whatever that standard is named, that the S3 uses instead of the standard older phones are using which makes them appear on a computer like a harddrive when connected via USB. If Linux can work with the S3 you could just connect it and use it as a Harddrive, using the computer system of the Pi to navigate content on your phone. Would be a lot easier than streaming.
Anyway, there are a couple of ways you could use the Pi but none of them are easy out of the box solutions. The Pi is more of a developer device at least when you want to do more than what the Linux distributions that are available can offer. There are some that offer that DLNA feature I was talking about. Look for XBMC, there are Videos on Youtube. All those solutions aren't plug and play. If you like playing with computers and figuring out stuff, make it work, this should be fun for you. If not, you better think of something else to do with your time.
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Interesting... I'll have to look into all that.. My only concern is then I'd have to keep a mouse and keyboard in my car at all times, correct? I was hoping I could just play something on my phone and it would appear on my car screen. I'll youtube the stuff you mentioned and see what works. Thanks a lot!
I was hoping I could just play something on my phone and it would appear on my car screen.
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Well, the converter box would do that.
With the Pi being a real computer however, some kind of input device will be necessary. Using the Pi is kind of a long shot anyway. It's possible but it's not what the Pi is intended for. It usually is easier and more user-friendly using a dedicated system instead of something cobbled together.
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Well, the converter box would do that.
With the Pi being a real computer however, some kind of input device will be necessary. Using the Pi is kind of a long shot anyway. It's possible but it's not what the Pi is intended for. It usually is easier and more user-friendly using a dedicated system instead of something cobbled together.
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Haha.. that's what I figured. Thanks a lot!
I have the old tvout cable from s1....is it good?
But I can't find the tvout settings in the phone...
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No. The S3 has it's own cable and it's different than the ones from the S1 or S2. There is an adapter available but that one usually costs nearly as much as a new cable from ebay.
Also, depending on your ROM, TV-out may not work at all. There is no TV-out on Cyanogenmod ROMs for example.
G'day guys,
I've done a heap of google searching in an attempt to find out whether anyone has attempted what I'm trying to achieve. Ofcourse there appears to be zero information so I'm turning to XDA in hope of being pointed in the right direction. I drive a Ford Falcon so wanting to put a double din android head unit in is essentially out of the question without irreversibly modifying anything. Which I'm not going to do.
I've installed a Parrot Asteroid Tablet into my car. The whole system works quite well, it does exactly what the box describes. I have done the obligatory root and install the Playstore to get some real usability out of it. My problem is the tablet is woefully outdated in terms of internal storage, processing power and its running Android 2.3 (it's severely limited on available apps these days). Basically once i rooted and installed the Playstore plus a couple of other small apps, it has run out of internal storage and I've discovered its quite difficult to move any apps over to the SD card.
Now to my crazy and I think difficult plan.
Basically i would like to upgrade the tablet to something far more modern, either a small tablet or phablet. Why I think this plan may work, not that i think i will be easy. The Parrot tablet communicates with a box that sits under the dashboard in my car which contains all the bits that are plugged in to get all the functionality (bluetooth mic, usb hub, aux in etc.) The tablet communicates with the box via mini USB (this is where i think my plan may have some merit).
The first thing I have tried is getting a micro USB OTG cable and a mini USB cable and plugged my Galaxy Note Edge straight in to see if i could get any communication or atleast sound output from my phone. Of course that didn't work. The only thing that happened was the screen illuminated, no sound output, no charging, no recognition of the usb stick which was plugged into the box full of music.
I'm not really sure what the next step would be making this plan work, that's where I'm hopeful you guys can help.
Any help or guidance to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Stefan
Install a Nexus 7 2013 and go from there.
mikereidis said:
Install a Nexus 7 2013 and go from there.
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I did think about doing that, if i could get it to work with Parrots Ebox that sits under the dash. Unfortunately in Ford Australia's infinite wisdom, they thought it would be a great idea to design a car where it is extremely difficult and time consuming to do anything to the stereo (it was an absolute nightmare just to install an amplifier). Being a car that was sold only in Australia and New Zealand means there is also next to no aftermarket support for doing things like this.
Basically my one and only real option was to install the Parrot Asteroid Tablet because there is a plug and play loom for it which makes it communicate with the factory stereo. In reality I'm not really sure its feasible to install a Nexus 7 in the same way.
I recently obtained the HP lapdock for a fair price. This works via USB c connection just fine. I've been looking into how to get the wifi direct connection to work with no luck BUT I know its possible.
OXI rom has been able to successfully connect to the HP lapdock. See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAWbDg4hcYc
I have no idea how to try to even get this to work but my guess is it relies on something to do with the wifi direct api somewhere in the phone. Anyone want to take a look into this or know someone that could port this?
Thanks
OXI reached out after I contacted them. So if we could get Lineage support we could get OXI support. Anyone know how to build Lineage? Lol or know someone that could build it for us?
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OXI reached out after I contacted them. So if we could get Lineage support we could get OXI support. Anyone know how to build Lineage? Lol or know someone that could build it for us?
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I'm trying to build lineage for the razer, but i'm just learning and i'm a little lost building the device tree. I can't seem to find how to do it, i guess my google skills are a bit rusty
DarkestSpawn said:
I recently obtained the HP lapdock for a fair price. This works via USB c connection just fine. I've been looking into how to get the wifi direct connection to work with no luck BUT I know its possible.
OXI rom has been able to successfully connect to the HP lapdock. See this video:
I have no idea how to try to even get this to work but my guess is it relies on something to do with the wifi direct api somewhere in the phone. Anyone want to take a look into this or know someone that could port this?
Thanks
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Hi I'm trying to use the hp lapdock on my mate 10 just get a blank screen when connecting do I need a special cable using the USB C cable that came with the Dock
There is a Dell Dock that works with the Razer phone, Tested it with keyboard, mouse and Monitor (HDMI output from the Dock, DP ports wont work)
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Hi I'm trying to use the hp lapdock on my mate 10 just get a blank screen when connecting do I need a special cable using the USB C cable that came with the Dock
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Trying turning off the dock, plug in the cable, turn the dock on, when it gets to the cable or wireless screen plug in the phone. I use the item cord. Sometimes takes 15 tries =/
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Trying getting off the dock, plug in the cable, turn the dock on, when it gets to the cable or wireless screen plug in the phone. I use the item cord. Sometimes takes 15 tries =/
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Still no joy just the blank display although it's connected as when I press the keyboard it does stuff on my phone tried every combination on start up. So annoying but thanks anyway
So updated to 8.1 Oreo, enabled Miracast from build prop, it will attempt to connect as the screen goes black on the Dock the phone force reboots. No idea whats causing it. Attached is the logcat, if anyone can look at it and assist I would be grateful.
If you need more info from a logcat just tell me what I missed. I refuse to give up on this and will continue researching and tinkering.
Also gonna try some Treble GSI's see if they work. Starting with AOKP
I downgraded my Razer phone to the 7.1.1 Android version and I STILL can't get this thing to work with the HP lapdock. Tried using the usb-c cable it shipped with, tried using a thunderbolt 3 cable...only the keyboard will work. The screen and track-pad are a no-go. The Galaxy S9 works with little fuss, so I know it's no a problem on the lapdock's end.
Ugh. I just want this thing to work.
i have a mate 20 pro, blackscreen with cable an no connection with wirelles. did someone get it to work?
y1m47ea#abe
I've recently bought a refurbished Lap dock from an italian seller on Ebay to use with my Blackberry Key2 (Android Oreo) and I must say it is a brilliant solution. I come from the Sentio Superbook, witch is also a very interesting solution, but the Lap dock is definitely better: screen, keyboard, touchpad have no comparison... The Sentio desktop app, anyway, works very well and offers an (almost) true desktop environment.
I haven't had any particolar problem connecting the lapdock to my smartphone, even if sometimes the screen doesn't light up, using the standard cable. I think the best way is to insert the usb c cable ony after the screen is showing the two connection options, first in the lapdock and then in the smartphone. Key presses in the touchpad don't work, but gestures are just fine once you get used to them.
I've also tried the wireless connection using the Miracast app: recognizes the screen, but the touchpad doesn't work and the keyboard is double typing every character. So basically it is useless. Hope it can help someone...
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i have a mate 20 pro, blackscreen with cable an no connection with wirelles. did someone get it to work?
y1m47ea#abe
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Was wondering if you ever got this to work?
no sorry, never got it working. would have been great. Maybe with some other lapdock in the future.
So it works with the Razer 1 through the cable? I have the lapdock and I'm shopping for a new phone but I'm not interested in the Note 9 which is supposed to work great with the lapdock as well.
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So it works with the Razer 1 through the cable? I have the lapdock and I'm shopping for a new phone but I'm not interested in the Note 9 which is supposed to work great with the lapdock as well.
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It doesn't work wonderfully, YouTube can't run some of the time, and the audio doesn't work at all really. Just through head phones. Even with the new Dex updates. But it is fine in a pinch.