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Is the Nexus 5x worth it in my scenario? Project Fi

Hello all! I really appreciate you taking the time to read through all of this, I am really nervous about making a decision and XDA has always been a great community whenever I have to make a decision about technology. Please feel free to add any additional information you find helpful and please please ask any questions! I will answer them quickly
I had a few questions before I pull the trigger on the nexus 5x/ project Fi.
Right now I'm using stock Verizon Galaxy Note 4.
+I love the stylus and big screen for drawing. The battery life is decent too. I have never had a problem going a full day and then atleast til noon the next day.
+The note 4 AMOLED screen is bright enough when I need it to be outside and dim enough before I go to bed.
-I am getting tired of how large the phone is. I firmly believe in having a rugged case for all my devices so my note 4 has an otterbox Defender which makes it even bigger.
-Samsung touchwiz sucks, its been getting slimmer and slimmer every year and I know the Grace UX is going to slim down even more...but I just don't like samsung's design language.
-LAGGY. Snapdragon 805 w/ 3GB RAM running a 2K resolution 5.7" screen. I am very good at factory resetting my phone every 2-3 months and I never have too many resource intensive apps running, I think it's just Samsung's overbloated and resource intensive setup.
-Speakers are tinny and just bad quality.
-I love to root, and until recently that was not possible for this phone. I still hate all the extra steps and voiding my warranty that comes with samsung/verizon. Just not worth it after owning this phone for 2 years.
So I am looking to switch! I want to try Project Fi.
I currently am grandfathered into a $100/month for unlimited text, call and 20GB of data on verizon.
I only use about 3gb of data a month.
Even If I want to downgrade to verizon's 3GB or 5GB plan, I will stay pay around $75 or $95 a month because of Verizon's monthly line access fee of $30.
Also with verizon I don't have access to google nexus phones, I want to be first in line for the new android OS version.
Now to my questions!
>Does the battery life get you through a full day with at least 20% remaining? (this question is for people who don't game or game very lightly and mostly use texting, emailing with the occasional snapchat/instagram.)
>With Android N will the Nexus 5x see great or mediocre improvement in performance/battery life? (this might be more for the people who have been using all the developer previews)
>One handed use, how comfortable is the phone to hold while browsing apps?
>Is the screen legible enough when it is super bright out?
>Is project Fi stable in your opinion?
>Should I wait until the next nexus phones are released?
>What are any other options for a mostly pure android experience on other carriers?
>Best rugged case for nexus 5x
Thank you for reading up to this point, I am on the fence about this decision. Any information you can provide is greatly appreciated!

Here are my data points.
>Does the battery life get you through a full day with at least 20% remaining? (this question is for people who don't game or game very lightly and mostly use texting, emailing with the occasional snapchat/instagram.) I'm a relatively light user and I have 40 or 50% left at end of day. I am quite happy with battery life. I use Velis Auto Brightness so my screen is pretty dim most of the time and only goes bright when needed. Using the USB type C charger that comes with it charges really fast too. Doze mode at night pretty much flat-lines battery use for me. Maybe a couple % all nite during doze.
>With Android N will the Nexus 5x see great or mediocre improvement in performance/battery life? (this might be more for the people who have been using all the developer previews) Not sure. Sorry
>One handed use, how comfortable is the phone to hold while browsing apps? I came from a Galaxy S3 so the 5X is a bit bigger but I have little trouble one-hand using the phone. But I typically wear XL gloves so my hands may be larger than yours.
>Is the screen legible enough when it is super bright out? It could be brighter but I do find it easier than the S3 outside.
>Is project Fi stable in your opinion?In my area yes. I am on 4G most of the time with Tmob. I have also seen the VPN Wi-Fi come on from time to time as well. I'd like it to come on more often.
>Should I wait until the next nexus phones are released?I was trying to do that but $249 for the 32g was so cheap I went for it. Known quantity with a great camera. Even when the new ones come out I'd wait a couple months for the real reviews to come in.
>What are any other options for a mostly pure android experience on other carriers?You can run the 5X on pretty much anyone. Verizon could be a pain but folks have done it. But.... I for my data usage I really prefer the pay for EXACTLY what you use model that Fi uses. Price per gig with the big carriers needs to be calculated as what you actually use per what you pay not what you could use per what you pay. So if that 6G plan costs $60 and you only use 3 your real price is $20/G., not the $10/G they make you think.
>Best rugged case for nexus 5xI really like this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015XA94OY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. Not sure if it's rugged enough for you. I actually prefer a little thinner case but this one grows on me more and more. The button covers are a little stiff. I use this tempered glass https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C1TVYVQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I tried the Adopted case that Google sells and hated it. It left a silicone feeling residue on my fingers and if I rubbed my eyes it was a disaster. Returned it.
I'm actually staying bone stock after many, many years of root/rom. It's weird seeing adds and not having Viper4Android but the ease of monthly updates and the [even if misplaced] sense of lower vulnerability is kind of nice. I never would have used any payment systems on a rooted/romed phone but Android pay is pretty handy. We'll see how long that lasts Since it's a Nexus there's none of that Knox crap or locked BL so if I decide to root/rom then should be no issues.

Adobeman you're answers were super helpful! You are so awesome!
I feel like most people don't use a phone the way I do, so it is really hard to get a good idea what device will be best for my usage style. Before my note 4 I had the Galaxy S3 for 3 years and boy did I love that phone alot. I went through 5 of them and hundreds of ROMs were flashed haha. I still have mine in the closet. It's got the zerolemon 10,000mah battery strapped to it
You've brought up some really smart points adobeman. Thank you!

Would you recommend the HTC 10 in late 2017 ?

Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .

Are you getting an Exynos GS7 or a Snapdragon one? If I recall correctly, only the Exynos model has lots of development because the Snapdragon models are locked down. I assume you care since you're asking on XDA.
Other than that, what else is important to you? Would you prefer a more compact phone or a larger one? Is waterproofness necessary for you? I hate extreme curved screens but you might like it.
For me, the HTC 10 is still a great phone in 2017. We're definitely getting Oreo and the only real lacking point is waterproofness (which isn't even important to everyone). It's fast, has a good camera, the battery life is good and development has been good.

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Are you getting an Exynos GS7 or a Snapdragon one? If I recall correctly, only the Exynos model has lots of development because the Snapdragon models are locked down. I assume you care since you're asking on XDA.
Other than that, what else is important to you? Would you prefer a more compact phone or a larger one? Is waterproofness necessary for you? I hate extreme curved screens but you might like it.
For me, the HTC 10 is still a great phone in 2017. We're definitely getting Oreo and the only real lacking point is waterproofness (which isn't even important to everyone). It's fast, has a good camera, the battery life is good and development has been good.
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The Exynos model , waterproofness isn't a necessary for me , im looking for a better performance and battery life and yes i do like to tinker with my phones i've moded my nexus with root , kernel , thermal optimizations and so on . What kind of screen on time do you get ? My nexus gets me 3 hours of screen on time max with a total time off charger 7-8 hours im down to 10 % , i consider my use as a heavy one because i like to play games listen to music on spotify and chat .

If battery life is your most important factor (performance won't be that far apart overall) then the Edge will probably do better since it's a larger phone (and hence a larger battery).
The HTC 10 is competent for a 2016 flagship but nothing extraordinary. When I'm playing games, I get between 4-5 hours of SOT for example. You'll find that 4-5 hours SOT is what most people report for their SOTs under heavy use.

ChronoReverse said:
If battery life is your most important factor (performance won't be that far apart overall) then the Edge will probably do better since it's a larger phone (and hence a larger battery).
The HTC 10 is competent for a 2016 flagship but nothing extraordinary. When I'm playing games, I get between 4-5 hours of SOT for example. You'll find that 4-5 hours SOT is what most people report for their SOTs under heavy use.
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Okay thanks for your time you gave me valuable information and now its up to me setting my priorities in deciding which one to buy.

I don't know about others, but the HTC 10 has been a pretty amazing phone for me. The size is just perfect, the audio is amazing, and the software, even if a little stale, is fast and smooth.
My only problem with it is the battery. My battery life has been horrible ever since the Nougat Update, and after sending it to the service, I'm certain that this is a software issue. I hope that Oreo will fix this issue though.

If you rely on battery as heavy gamer/user don't look at this phone, drainage is very fast just with medium use, heavy kills it faster. S7 has more endurance

I recently bought a HTC 10. I was thinking of getting an S7 but I opted for the HTC 10 for things that I like, such as, 3.5mm jack at the top of the device, metal body, volume keys and power on the right hand side and type c usb 3.1 (more for the future).
A key reason for the HTC 10 are the custom roms that are currently available on the AOSP side. In terms of manufacturer stock android, HTC Sense isn't too bad. Although I do rock a custom rom (AICP to be precise) I do miss HTC's boomsound, HTC camera and power saving.

I have both the 10 and the Pixel 1 (5 inch). I've used both a lot - concentrating on the 10 for a good half a year until I just gave up. Although the 10's Android is nearly identical to AOSP, the fact that HTC doesn't care about decimal updates (no 7.1) - there are particular parts of the upgrade to 7.1 on the Pixel which would fix some of the annoyances I've found with 7.0 on the 10 - and that the software on the Pixel works so well that I prefer to just modify it with some root apps than run a custom ROM anymore, I would go for anything but the 10. Also, my wife and I had a horrible experience having her phone replaced under their non-warranty 1st year Uh Oh Prorection deal.
I also really don't like that with polarized sunglasses on, the 10's screen is unviewable in portrait mode. Most manufacturers choose landscape mode for that, and the Pixel screen is only black at odd angles (diagonally).
Now the only thing I use the 10 for is music, and to have a spare just in case.
Which network are you on?

I love my 10 except for whatever nougat has done to the battery life. It's decent but not as good as it was on the previous Android version.
Other than that...the size is good, sound is great, the screen is really good, no bloatware and the available themes give your phone a new feeling when you need it. HTC has also been very good with the security updates.
If you're looking for cases, I'd recommend checking Ali Express. They have a better selection than Amazon.
Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk

I love my 10 and all, and I think it was the most remarkable phone of 2016. It was the only real choice for a "robust" phone that you can rely on to not disintegrate if it falls, with all the flagship specs of 2016. The fingerprint sensor is better than the S7E, and the screen colors are better IMO. The camera is great for average use, which is what I can comment on.
That being said, I'd get a Nokia this year. Or better yet, wait for next year's refresh of the Nokia 5 and get it with Oreo and Project Treble. I think this should be any tinkerer's criteria for a phone purchase from here on: PROJECT TREBLE. Phone after phone, I find myself spending my money on a higher resolution screen (1080p is enough), and a faster SOC (any modern SOC will get the job done wonderfully), just so that I can buy into the update-receiving club of an OEM. With Project Treble, I can give up this "forced-upgrade" for the sake of updates, and rest assured that I'll always have the latest version of Android running, either with OEM support or with XDA support.
Cheers and good luck.

Ringanar said:
Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .
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Beware the hidden issue with these phones is that they have 4gb of ram and 3.6-3.8 usable. Heavier multi tasking between some apps for example, chrome, spotify, fb messenger, and your choice of texting apps does not go well. I used to have the one plus 3 and it handled that multi tasking like a champion. If you could I would recommend the one plus 3 it can get 6-8 hours sot with the right kernels and roms. You also dont have to deal with touch wiz. Also the one plus 3 has the same 3000 mah battery htc has I'm not sure what the s7 has. But I bet you couldnt get 8 hours sot on it lol

Just my two cents, but I like my 10 a lot. I do run a custom ROM on it, and bought the Sprint version, which can be unlocked to use on any network except for VZ. You can also unlock LTE bands with this phone, so it will work with literally every network that's not on VZ...worldwide.
The screen is probably the best non-(AM)OLED screen that I've used, but I do miss the (AM)OLED from my S5 and Droid Turbo.
The camera does very very well with the modified Google camera by BSG or Arnova8G2, at least in mid to higher lights. In low light you have to turn off ZSL or else it'll be very very dark.
The battery is mediocre. I get about 4 hours of SoT before I feel the need to recharge. That's with fairly heavy use/games.
Build quality is great. Gorilla Glass 3 is just as strong as 5 (just not as thin) but it will scratch on you. There aren't any good glass screen protectors for this phone, so you'll have to tough it out without one or go the flexible screen protector route. Zack from JerryRigEverything named this the most sturdy phone of 2016.
The modding community is great, and other than the OnePlus and a few Samsungs, it's more popular on XDA even than the Pixel. There's two 8.0 ROMs out there and both are very capable daily drivers.
What I want that would make this the perfect phone: OLED screen, bettery battery, better case selection (the imak cowboy case is pretty nice, same with the Nillkin Nature), no low-light photo issues with Google Camera. That's it. Literally, it has everything else I could want.

Ringanar said:
Hey guys im looking for a new phone which isn't heavy on the budget but still delivers (currently using Nexus 5x) and im deciding between the HTC 10 and GS S7 Edge , the 10 is brand new 270 pounds and the S7 Edge is refurbished 300 pounds . I would like to hear your opinions and is it worth buying in late 2017 .
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To the question in the title, I'd answer, "maybe" but the latest Chinese offerings look tempting but I don't know their quality.
To the question in the post (10 vs S7 Edge), that's a different one altogether, so not sure which one you're really asking. I upgraded to the 10 from the Nexus 5 (not the 5X) and found it to be an excellent upgrade in the post-Nexus world. (The Pixel cost too much for my taste and, frankly, it's ugly.)
Prior to the N5, I had the Samsung SIII and loved that phone. The hardware, anyway; I hate TouchWiz and removed it from my SIII and Note 10.1. Between greater bootloader unlock hassle and explosions (and the dishonest handling of those), I avoid Samsung entirely (to include computer hardware and household appliances).
That's my thinking that may give you some ideas to consider. My only issues with the htc 10 are the display quality issue (yellow tint at the bottom) and the temperamental fingerprint scanner. (poor customer service and slow updates but those are normative for all OEMs, sans Google on the latter) Otherwise, it's a solid phone with a superb aesthetic, especially the red one and, at the time, it was deeply discounted by htc.

thunder2132 said:
What I want that would make this the perfect phone: OLED screen, bettery battery, better case selection (the imak cowboy case is pretty nice, same with the Nillkin Nature), no low-light photo issues with Google Camera. That's it. Literally, it has everything else I could want.
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Add to that a removable battery door, so that the battery may be removed completely. I hate this "glue the phone together" style of manufacturing.

One year on, my battery is weak and the performance is choppy. I just put up with it rather than have to reset it all the time.
But I bought it mainly for the audio performances and it's fantastic in that regard. If you look at it as getting a nice mobile phone and superb DAP in one the price now is a bargain.

I've been with my HTC 10 since May 2016 so that has been 1.5 year and these are my experiences
- Camera is GREAT (snappy - lots of functions - great quality)
- Performance has been as snappy as Pure Android
- Updates aren't so often (official ROMs are still on 7.0 and most probably August Patch lol)
- Battery has been a little bit worsen since Nougat update but I gotten rid of the issue by installing custom kernels and great ROMs you could find here in XDA.
- Device quality is TOP-NOTCH
- Sound quality is STILL ON OF THE BEST TODAY (you could use any fancy or higher impedance headphones on this boy and it sounds LEGIT)

pbigband said:
I've been with my HTC 10 since May 2016 so that has been 1.5 year and these are my experiences
- Camera is GREAT (snappy - lots of functions - great quality)
- Performance has been as snappy as Pure Android
- Updates aren't so often (official ROMs are still on 7.0 and most probably August Patch lol)
- Battery has been a little bit worsen since Nougat update but I gotten rid of the issue by installing custom kernels and great ROMs you could find here in XDA.
- Device quality is TOP-NOTCH
- Sound quality is STILL ON OF THE BEST TODAY (you could use any fancy or higher impedance headphones on this boy and it sounds LEGIT)
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I had the revolutionary HTC one M7, I had the M9 and got the HTC 10 on launch day. I am on T-Mobile but I unlocked the SIM and wrote SuperCID and switched to the unlocked developer version. I am using Magisk systemless root with a bunch of modules and the phone just works... and the music quality is just top notch!

i still love mine--HTC 10

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Add to that a removable battery door, so that the battery may be removed completely. I hate this "glue the phone together" style of manufacturing.
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One thing in its defense of gluing, the last THREE Samsung phones I've had where the battery is removable has had battery connection issues. As in, I tap my phone wrong and it restarts.
I also think the HTC 10 has had battery issues where it reports incorrectly.

From one reluctant Note fan to more confident ones

I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
Edit: Forgot to mention, I live in Dallas. So I'd have access to Sprints 5G, as rudimentary as it is now. Hence the fence sitting

marky310 said:
I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
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Depends on how much you take selfies as well. The S-pen is good for snapping pictures like a remote that I enjoy. Also Dex to put the phone folders on the desktop is something that's cool. You're right though. Nothing beats the Samsung AMOLED screen. The screen is a little larger it looks like with the 6.8" than the One Plus at 6.67". Looks like the One Plus doesn't have wireless charging if you used that. Only other main differences is the battery on the Note 10+ is larger at 4300mAh vs the One Plus at 4000mAh. 91% screen to body ratio on the Note 10+ vs the 88.5% on the One Plus. I wouldn't worry too much regardless on which phone you get with 5G since 5G is very limited and very finicky right now. Sure, it might be better next year but they said it's a lot harder to maintain a 5G signal since it uses millimeter waves and much harder to penetrate through walls. I don't see 5G really getting steam until probably the end of next year going into 2021.

Water resistance. I own a pool that I use all the time and snap pictures of the family. The One+ it is t an option. Is this a few $100 to me... Yes.

marky310 said:
I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
Edit: Forgot to mention, I live in Dallas. So I'd have access to Sprints 5G, as rudimentary as it is now. Hence the fence sitting
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10+ 512GB 5G. When using 5G, it's like you are in a different planet. Truest me. And, as everyone else dumps their cell phone because it doesn't support 5G, you'll already be where you want to be.
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Note10+. I had the same battle basically, in my mind. Screen, DeX, s-pen, IP68, wireless charging, WAY better camera (that's what made up my mind), most premium feeling and looking phone around... Samsung just has an amazing thing going right now. This phone is the most incredible piece of technology I've ever owned. I'm coming from a Note9, which I previously thought was basically unbeatable (only upgraded due to the amazing deals). SO glad I chose this phone.

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Note10+. I had the same battle basically, in my mind. Screen, DeX, s-pen, IP68, wireless charging, WAY better camera (that's what made up my mind), most premium feeling and looking phone around... Samsung just has an amazing thing going right now. This phone is the most incredible piece of technology I've ever owned. I'm coming from a Note9, which I previously thought was basically unbeatable (only upgraded due to the amazing deals). SO glad I chose this phone.
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I appreciate all these answers. Its definitely reinforcing a lot of the feelings I have for the Note series. I really do feel like if I choose the 10+, I'd be just as happy as this. But I've always had an itch to try something new once the shine of a new note wears off. Part of me feels that may be due to the almost insignificant jump from the note 8 to 9 and I have a feeling going from 9 to 10+ would be a lot more impressive. I still have time to decide, but I really wanted to put feelers out whole I could. Thanks so much, dudes :laugh:

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I appreciate all these answers. Its definitely reinforcing a lot of the feelings I have for the Note series. I really do feel like if I choose the 10+, I'd be just as happy as this. But I've always had an itch to try something new once the shine of a new note wears off. Part of me feels that may be due to the almost insignificant jump from the note 8 to 9 and I have a feeling going from 9 to 10+ would be a lot more impressive. I still have time to decide, but I really wanted to put feelers out whole I could. Thanks so much, dudes :laugh:
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Thing is, you'll get the opposite answer from OnePlus 7 forums. They'll tell you to get the OP7 Pro because of the 90Hz screen, no hole punch camera, faster updates, faster overall UI (I sincerely doubt that any UI could be faster than this Note10+ on performance mode, Nova launcher, and 0.5 scale animations though... This is INSANE), and Oxygen OS instead of Samsung's bloated UI. That's what they'll say, whether true or not. So I hope you put out feelers on both sides or the battle wasn't fair! Either way, this phone is better for ME. Not sure what's better for you.

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Thing is, you'll get the opposite answer from OnePlus 7 forums. They'll tell you to get the OP7 Pro because of the 90Hz screen, no hole punch camera, faster updates, faster overall UI (I sincerely doubt that any UI could be faster than this Note10+ on performance mode, Nova launcher, and 0.5 scale animations though... This is INSANE), and Oxygen OS instead of Samsung's bloated UI. That's what they'll say, whether true or not. So I hope you put out feelers on both sides or the battle wasn't fair! Either way, this phone is better for ME. Not sure what's better for you.
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That's exactly what I did, lol. Made basically the same thread on the OP7 forum to gauge both sides. I think I'll come down to me trying both out in store and getting a feel for both.

I might be able to offer another opinion for you, but with the same results.
I was a pretty loyal iPhone fan for the longest time since the 3GS. I had a couple of forays into the Android world, with the OnePlus One and LG V20, because like you, I wondered what it was like on the other side. I really liked the OnePlus One, but a bad customer service experience turned me off to them until the 6T came out and I decided to try them again. I had the phone for less than 48 hrs before I brought the phone back for another iPhone.
Fast forward to August 2019 and I fell in love with the Note 10+ instantly. I had always wanted one but the Note 7(?) fiasco turned me away. I went in to Best Buy one day and got some hands on time with it, and I was hooked. It's the first time I've ever pre-ordered a phone, it was very exciting. Now that I've been using the phone for awhile, I can honestly say it's been a great experience. Camera, screen and the Samsung ecosystem are all top notch. And, no buyers' regret!

Anything but the Note 10 or 10+ It's not all rosy as it seems, the camera quality is sub par and you'll be constantly disappointed when you open the camera to take a pic. Call quality is not great because of the weird placement of the speakers. 60Hz display seems retarded compared to 90Hz, huge difference. Now I don't know One plus 7 camera quality but Pixel 4XL will definitely have much better camera. So coming from another Note 10+ owner don't buy this iteration, it's basically crap. I owned a note 8 and 5 prior to this. My next phone will definitely be a Pixel or One Plus.

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Anything but the Note 10 or 10+ It's not all rosy as it seems, the camera quality is sub par and you'll be constantly disappointed when you open the camera to take a pic. Call quality is not great because of the weird placement of the speakers. 60Hz display seems retarded compared to 90Hz, huge difference. Now I don't know One plus 7 camera quality but Pixel 4XL will definitely have much better camera. So coming from another Note 10+ owner don't buy this iteration, it's basically crap. I owned a note 8 and 5 prior to this. My next phone will definitely be a Pixel or One Plus.
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The camera is not sub par. It may not be the best, but it is definitely in the top 3 or 4. Also I have never, ever had a problem with call quality although I think that front facing speakers do sound better, but call quality and sound as it pertains to music or video are two different things. Fact is, it is only loudmess is only slightly less strong compared to the S10 (+), which has front facing speakers. This iteration isn't crap, but is different. If you are yearning for the productivity of yesteryear, wait for next years Note (or maybe the year after that). The S line and the Note line will probably be merged and the Fold will more than likely inherit the S-pen and become the new productivity device. Remember, even though the Pixel and OnePlus are great phones, the screens and the technology everyone is raving about, comes from Samsung. They also made the screens for the 3 and 3a. As for the 60Hz v. 90Hz debate, yes it is a noticable difference, but does that mean the Note experience sucks. No it doesn't suck and the fast charging is comparable to the OP7 Pro and it also offers fast wireless charging, as well as reverse wireles charging. While not necessary, wireless charging is extremely convenient. You can find wireless chargers in coffee shops resteraunts, airports and even in a lot of newer cars. Its great to be able to just throw your phone on the dash while driving across town and still have all of its fuctionality while its charging. In my opinion the Note 10+ is a great phone; overpriced, but a great phone none the less. BTW, I do own both Pixel and One Plus devices, as well as Xiaomi, Vivo and Huawei. So I do have several phones that I can compare against.

Question Switching from s21 ultra

Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks

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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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hi, i have switched from s21u(exy) and battery on p6 pro is amazing comparing to samsung(9h+ p6 pro / 6h s21u - same usage)(p6pro 42h/one charge / s21u/28h) . not only battery, i like the mini rounded corners of p6 pro, software is good enough(its new), will be better after fex fixes.

Thanks so would you say it's a good choice over the s21 ultra

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Thanks so would you say it's a good choice over the s21 ultra
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yeah, right now best choice, i am selling my s21u

Thanks might get it ordered today and pass down the s21 ultra to the lad

After the Pixel 1 stopped getting updates two years ago, my wife and I finally upgraded to the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ 512 GB model, because for the first couple of years after the Pixel 1, I was waiting to buy another Pixel until they came out with a 256 GB model, and then by the time they did, I needed a 512 GB model so I still waited.
The Note 10+ hardware is great. I hate the software. I use my personal phone for my work too, my work uses Google for everything, and apparently, it's common with Samsung devices that they have sporadic syncing of GMail and Chat/Hangouts. When I told my brother about the problem I was having (and I did try deep-diving settings about not optimizing for battery usage, and not killing in the background, and even factory reset), my brother, who had only just bought his family their first smartphones maybe 4 years ago and go the Galaxy S9+, said that he assumed that's just the way Android is. It's not. I never encountered such bad GMail and chat syncing and notification behavior on any other phone.
For chat-type notifications, it was hit and miss whether I would receive timely ones. I could never narrow down what made the difference. For GMail, sometimes I wouldn't get a notification of an email until 45 minutes to even 2 hours later. Multi-tasking on the work computer, sometimes I wouldn't look at my GMail browser tab for long periods of time, and my boss likes to use chat quite often too. Half the time, I did happen to see the email in the browser tab, read it, and even deleted it (for non-critical things), and then later on my Samsung would let me know I have that "new" email. I already saw it and deleted it! Crazy.
There were other things Samsung gimped compared to other phones (Do Not Disturb...), and it also managed to duplicate all my contacts in a way that they're not recognized as duplicates so they can't be automatically de-duped.
Thankfully, back on the P6P 512 GB bandwagon, I no longer have those issues, and we quickly sold our Note 10+'s. So my answer is I'd trade any Samsung for a Pixel. Loved the Samsung hardware, but the software just doesn't cut it for me. The only thing I miss from the Note is the stylus from time to time, which would be handy for Pixel's magic eraser when you have to really fine-tune some erasing.
Oh yeah - I haven't had any issues with my battery life in the month I've had the phone. For the last five years, I never quick charge any phone, I only charge once the phone gets down to 25%, and I take the phone off the charger at 75%. I never charge overnight. The Pixel 6/Pro have Adaptive Charge to help battery life, but my 25-75% battery range lasts me 24 hours normally anyway. I don't own any quick chargers except my original Pixel 1 charger, and I don't use it.

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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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If multiple days of battery life is a bad thing, or the camera is too good for you.... you might want to stick with the samdung.

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Hi all I'm thinking of switching from my s21 ultra (exynos variant) but been hearing some bad reviews etc of bad battery life and not so good cameras etc on the pixel does any one who ownes a pixel 6 pro know if most of these have been fixed? And would people consider the pixel 6 pro over the s21 ultra or am I best waiting till the s22 thanks
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I did the same thing, and battery is good after about a week or two. You have to give the adaptive battery time to learn your habits. Not sure where you heard the camera is bad. That's the best part of the phone.

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The only thing I miss from the Note is the stylus from time to time, which would be handy for Pixel's magic eraser when you have to really fine-tune some erasing.
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There are 10 billion options for capacitive screen pokey things on Amazon. I can't tell you which ones I have, because I can't read the font they used to identify themselves, but works pretty good.

Owning currently both devices here I can maybe share a few thoughts, subjective of course as many of those base on what I like/dislike:
Pro S21 Ultra:
+ build quality
+ display quality
+ overall maturity of the software
+ better standby drain
Pro Pixel 6 Pro:
+ genuine, clean Android with less bloat
+ snappier UI
+ active battery life
+ Camera: much lower noise and much better dynamic range in low light
+ Camera: less heavy-handed noise-reduction/resharpening
+ (slightly) less weight
+ much more development friendly (no hassle bootloader unlock without lost warranty, no Knox.....)
All in all I like both phones, what makes me moving back to the S21 Ultra (or maybe again Mi 11U) is memory - sadly Google only sells the P6P with max 256GB in Germany which I find a bit too small for my purpose.....
And a few more words on the camera: Samsung has its own way in image processing and in many cases this leads to loss of details in grass/leaves/.... which I dislike. The Pixel 6 Pro gives much better results here, as with many indoor shots specifically of pets/kids.... So overall I much prefer the Pixel camera, this doesn't mean the Samsung camera is bad, though - it isn't !

The only thing I like about my s21 ultra is the display screen. Other than that, 6 pro tops it off. (The 6 pro is on par with the iPhone 13 max's camera btw) With the exception of the video quality of course. The iPhone is still the king for shooting high quality videos.

I have both. These are the most notable differences that I have noticed in using both extensively over a few weeks.
Everything else not-mentioned seems the same/equivalent between the two devices.
Battery; The Samsung has better battery life out of the box, hands down. I regularly saw 7hour screen time and easily made it 24 hours or more on a single charge. The P6P gets about 4-5hours screen time and only about 20-22hours on a charge.
Can only hope the P6P gets better with updates. I returned my first P6P because I thought something was wrong with it. Unfortunately, the second one is the same. It's bad (for some people, but apparently not everyone).
Temperature; You have to try really hard to make the Samsung work up a sweat. The P6P seems to get warm at random times without much going on (browsing forums, for example). Then other times when you would expect it to get warm (watching videos), it runs perfectly cool. Very strange.
Camera; There's nothing better or easier than the P6P when trying to produce consistent great quality pictures. Despite superior hardware in the Samsung S21 Ultra, overall picture results are handicapped due to inferior software/processing, especially in portrait mode. It has gotten better with updates, but still gets beat handily by P6P.
Size and Weight; The P6P is more hand/pocket friendly. It is noticeably thinner and lighter than the S21 Ultra, making it more comfortable in the pockets that I carry it in (back pocket or front shirt pocket). The S21 Ultra feels like a small cinder block in the pocket compare to the P6P.
Charging; Despite better technical sheet specs for the P6P, it charges inconsistently and slower than the S21 Ultra. It's not by a small margin either, P6P takes about 2x longer.
It also tends to get warm to the point of thorttling during charging. The S21 Ultra is consistent, and charges very fast and doesnt get very warm (certainly never throttles).
Software; I suppose this could be preference. If you like the Samsung software look and feel, then it's perfectly fine. It really runs almost flawlessly compared to older TouchWiz crap from Samsung. I prefer the look and feel of pure android from Google.

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I have both. These are the most notable differences that I have noticed in using both extensively over a few weeks.
Everything else not-mentioned seems the same/equivalent between the two devices.
Battery; The Samsung has better battery life out of the box, hands down. I regularly saw 7hour screen time and easily made it 24 hours or more on a single charge. The P6P gets about 4-5hours screen time and only about 20-22hours on a charge.
Can only hope the P6P gets better with updates. I returned my first P6P because I thought something was wrong with it. Unfortunately, the second one is the same. It's bad (for some people, but apparently not everyone).
Temperature; You have to try really hard to make the Samsung work up a sweat. The P6P seems to get warm at random times without much going on (browsing forums, for example). Then other times when you would expect it to get warm (watching videos), it runs perfectly cool. Very strange.
Camera; There's nothing better or easier than the P6P when trying to produce consistent great quality pictures. Despite superior hardware in the Samsung S21 Ultra, overall picture results are handicapped due to inferior software/processing, especially in portrait mode. It has gotten better with updates, but still gets beat handily by P6P.
Size and Weight; The P6P is more hand/pocket friendly. It is noticeably thinner and lighter than the S21 Ultra, making it more comfortable in the pockets that I carry it in (back pocket or front shirt pocket). The S21 Ultra feels like a small cinder block in the pocket compare to the P6P.
Charging; Despite better technical sheet specs for the P6P, it charges inconsistently and slower than the S21 Ultra. It's not by a small margin either, P6P takes about 2x longer.
It also tends to get warm to the point of thorttling during charging. The S21 Ultra is consistent, and charges very fast and doesnt get very warm (certainly never throttles).
Software; I suppose this could be preference. If you like the Samsung software look and feel, then it's perfectly fine. It really runs almost flawlessly compared to older TouchWiz crap from Samsung. I prefer the look and feel of pure android from Google.
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I think a lot of what you're putting down as negatives against P6P comes down to gservices and broken "pixel features". I'm running pure (google free) AOSP on mine. I pulled it off the charger this morning at 5:30 (7.5 hours ago). Currently have 1.5 hr screen on time and the battery is at 92%, and so far the battery gauge appears to be pretty linear. I've also NOT noticed ANY substantial heating up. It runs pretty cool consistently -- note that heat comes from the battery, so it makes sense.
Also, there is no magic battery BS in AOSP.

I upgraded from a Note 20 Ultra 512Gb and the battery on my P6P is phenomenal compared to the Note 20. There have been issues for some on the P6P but I've been using my 512Gb unlocked variant with no issue at all. Just make sure you set your P6P from scratch and don't transfer data from your S21 Ultra. Also the standby drain is the best I've ever had, took it off the charger at 9PM at 100% and at 8:30 the next morning was at 99%. Not everyone is having the same results that I have.

I had both for a while. S21 ultra for the last 9 months. Tested them side by side . I don't think the pixel is better than the s21 in any single way, they are actually so similar. I prefer the maturer Samsung email and calendar software but that's subjective. The biggest difference, which matters for me was that the pixel has more global 5g and LTE bands than the s21. I used Nova and mimicked the s21 completely. Really couldn't tell the difference except screen better on s21 IMHO.
if I didn't already own the s21 I would have bought the pixel but because they are so similar and it isn't an upgrade but more a move to the side, the change didn't make sense.

Display, build quality, signal quality and probably smoothness are all better on the s21U. However I prefer the camera on the P6P and also Pixel Android to OneUI. The S21U is a solid, well built device and I don't think the P6P is an upgrade, if anything it's a slight downgrade.

Thanks for all the replys I'm still on the fence at the minute lol,can I root the pixel 6 pro and have no problems like knox,drm keys etc like other devices have? And if ibdecude to want to unroot can it be returned back to totally factory as if it was never rooted? I haven't rooted for years and miss been able to uninstall apps etc and is viper4android still going strong or is there another app in its place thanks

Stick with the S21 Ultra. I went from a Note 20 Ultra to the Pixel 6 Pro. I love the camera, the better speakers, cleaner software experience, but overall it doesn't feel like an upgrade. The 5G reception is slightly worse, Android 12 has lots of quirks, charging speeds are much slower, and customization is currently very limited. It's possible that it will improve with updates and custom ROMs but its current state is underwhelming. To be honest, I'm already looking forward to the S22 Ultra.

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Thanks for all the replys I'm still on the fence at the minute lol,can I root the pixel 6 pro and have no problems like knox,drm keys etc like other devices have? And if ibdecude to want to unroot can it be returned back to totally factory as if it was never rooted? I haven't rooted for years and miss been able to uninstall apps etc and is viper4android still going strong or is there another app in its place thanks
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Yep, no bad sides to rooting or later unrooting at all, just jump through some well established hoops as far as banking apps are concerned. It didn't bother me and it was the first time I ever did what I needed for safety net and banking apps to not know I'm rooted. No one can tell you ever had it rooted if you re-lock the bootloader after restoring to 100% stock and then factory reset, which will re-disable the OEM unlock option on Developer Options.
You just never can automatically update to each months OTA, have to follow the proper manual procedure to update and stay rooted. I did it every month for over three years that I had the Pixel 1.

If you value the camera, root and stock Android then get the Pixel. If you don't value those then stick with the S21U. I came from the S21U so I can honestly tell you that the S21U is definitely a better all around device but the fact that I can root really made my decision easier to go with the Pixel. No, the Pixel isn't any smoother than the S21U as I've had both; they are pretty much the same in the smoothness department. Anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves.

Question Help me decide between the S22 and S22+

So my main driver today is an S8+. Before this, I used an S8. I used to prefer smaller phones but I can see that going with a bigger phone has its fair share of advantages (and disadvantages, of course) so I'm really confused which one to get between the S22 and S22+. I saw both phones physically yesterday and compared them side by side. I think I'm ok with the size of the S22+ because I tend to use my phone with browsing forums and watching Youtube videos. I do not do gaming. Here are some of my main concerns:
1. Battery life -> I know the S22+ wins in this category but is 4500mAH vs 3700mAH really significant? I rarely upgrade my phone (evident by the fact that I'm still using S8+) so I want to know if going with a bigger battery (and size) is the wiser choice.
2. I also use my phone in bed before sleeping. With m S8+, my pinky finger serves servers as like a stand for the phone while I'm lying down and looking at the screen (I think most people do this) so I'm worried that getting a bigger 6.6" phone (S22+) will make my pinky finger hurt even more. Would getting a case with a strap at the back (like the official silicon case for the S22/S22+) solve this issue?
3. Is the difference in brightness level between the phones that significant?
4. Does the S22 have wifi 6 only or is it like the S22+ that has wifi 6E? I'm getting mixed information regarding this because some sites say that both have 6E while others say that only the S22+ and S22 Ultra have 6E.
Thanks in advance for the help!

The difference in size and weight between the S22+ and S8+ is negligible. Go for the S22+. Get the 256GB model. You'll like the extra storage space since the S22 series does not have a microSD slot.
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S22 battery life is absolutely ridiculous even with average use and no gaming. If I would start over again, I would go with +.

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The difference in size and weight between the S22+ and S8+ is negligible. Go for the S22+. Get the 256GB model. You'll like the extra storage space since the S22 series does not have a microSD slot.
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I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
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S22 battery life is absolutely ridiculous even with average use and no gaming. If I would start over again, I would go with +.
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How ridiculous is it? I'm sure it's still better than my S8+ But yeah, I'm leaning more towards the S22+, for sure.

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I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
How ridiculous is it? I'm sure it's still better than my S8+ But yeah, I'm leaning more towards the S22+, for sure.
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Well overnight battery drain of 12%. 85% to 20% from 6 Am to 2 pm with average use like whatsapp, data and wifi with a bit of maps. With even less use, it last about 7 pm.

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Don't even think about s22 it's very worst in terms of battery life also lagging like hell. Go with s22+ or better switch to iPhone. I am now regretting my decision of switching from iphone to s22.

kevindd992002 said:
I just checked the website you linked to and I swear that when I compared the S8+ and S22+ in person, the difference in height was a bit significant and it isn't like the one in the website. Not sure why.
Yeah, the difference in price between the 128GB and 256GB variants isn't that significant so I'll definitely go with a 256GB variant. However, I never used a microSD slot on my S8+ anyway. I just transfer my photos to my NAS whenever the phone complained about low storage capacity and this is not something that I do often.
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Take the last two posts with a grain of salt. To be fair. The 128GB Exynos models (S22, S22+ and S22 Ultra) are having issues, but you can't get the Exynos here in the US.
My wife has the S22+ (256GB) and daughter has the S22 (256GB). Both get decent battery life and there is no lag or stuttering. They are much heavier users than I am with my S22 Ultra. They constantly are streaming videos and music. Both are the Snap Dragon models.
Are you sure were looking at the S22+ and not the S22 Ultra. There is a significant difference between the Ultra and the Plus.
The difference between the S22+ and the S8+ is really small. The S8+ is actually 0.08in longer than the S22+. The S22+ is 0.09in wider though. The weight difference is because the S22+ has a larger display and a bigger battery. The perceived difference is probably from the fact that the S22+ has smaller bezels which allows for a larger display. The screen to body ratio for the S22+ is 89.71%. Whereas the S8+ is 83.32%. That is a 6.39% increase which accounts for the 0.4in increase in display size.
Yeah. I do the same thing, offload my photos to my NAS. I don't wait until I am short on space though. I do it about every two to three weeks.

Ha ha... All the very best then.

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Don't get the S22 unless you're sadistic you like hurting yourself.
I left a few comments in other threads advising people to stay away from from this piece of crap because it's a complete fail due to the small battery inside paired with a very inefficient CPU.
So get the S22+ without even thinking of the small variant.
If I were you though, I'd skip this lineup completely. Qualcomm went with Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 and it was a complete fail. Samsung wasn't able to produce a good quality product. They moved back to TSMC though and the 8+ Gen 1, which is supposed to be a refresh with very small gains according to history so to speak, and the gains, especially in the efficiency department are pretty friggin extreme. 30% better efficiency for practically the same chip... Insane. You usually see that in a next generation chipset.
Back to the skipping the lineup completely, I'd wait a little longer and get a device with the new 8 Plus Gen 1 inside just because TSMC is simply superior at creating CPUs. Also it needs to be big, or at least bigger than the S22, otherwise you'll be in a world of pain. In the Android world, you gotta go big for decent battery life.
Here's the post in which I did some math: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/s22-or-s21.4439081/post-87020447
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Oh ok. So I just stay with my slow S8+ for now? How long does Samsung usually take to release their next flagship model? Are there any leaks about the 8+ Gen1 being on any phone soon? I'm pretty convince in going with a bigger phone than what I have now.
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Don't even think about s22 it's very worst in terms of battery life also lagging like hell. Go with s22+ or better switch to iPhone. I am now regretting my decision of switching from iphone to s22.
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Yeah, I'm not an Apple guy. I'd stick with Android for now. I just really need to have this sluggish and old phone upgraded. But dragos' post above got me thinking if I should wait more.
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Take the last two posts with a grain of salt. To be fair. The 128GB Exynos models (S22, S22+ and S22 Ultra) are having issues, but you can't get the Exynos here in the US.
My wife has the S22+ (256GB) and daughter has the S22 (256GB). Both get decent battery life and there is no lag or stuttering. They are much heavier users than I am with my S22 Ultra. They constantly are streaming videos and music. Both are the Snap Dragon models.
Are you sure were looking at the S22+ and not the S22 Ultra. There is a significant difference between the Ultra and the Plus.
The difference between the S22+ and the S8+ is really small. The S8+ is actually 0.08in longer than the S22+. The S22+ is 0.09in wider though. The weight difference is because the S22+ has a larger display and a bigger battery. The perceived difference is probably from the fact that the S22+ has smaller bezels which allows for a larger display. The screen to body ratio for the S22+ is 89.71%. Whereas the S8+ is 83.32%. That is a 6.39% increase which accounts for the 0.4in increase in display size.
Yeah. I do the same thing, offload my photos to my NAS. I don't wait until I am short on space though. I do it about every two to three weeks.
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Yeah, I'm from the Philippines and we also get the Snapdragon here, so no worries about Exynos.
Yeah, I'm sure I was looking at the S22+ and not the Ultra. I knew right away which one was the Ultra so I didn't even bother checking it out. But yeah, it might be just me getting excited to see them for the first time. I checked the dimensions on that website again and they are pretty spot on.
I'm now reading about the Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 and it looks like it is indeed better than the 8 Gen 1. At this point, I'm not sure if I should wait for the next S series from Samsung (next year) or go with the upcoming Flip which will have the 8+ Gen 1 chip. I just don't like how long the Flip is but waiting for another half a year for probably the S23 will be very hard for me too

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I wasn't referring to getting a Samsung phone. The next Samsung flagship lineup will have the next gen chipsets. I was talking about a different device from a different company. If I were to really need an upgrade right now, I'd get a Pixel 6 Pro or a OnePlus 10 Pro. The 10 Pro has better hardware on paper so if that's your thing, I'd go for that. The battery inside is big and the phone apparently doesn't have any heating up issues or at least not the same as Samsung devices have. If you really want to stay with Samsung, the previous generation is better with unnoticeable performance differences but better battery life. Not to mention that you'd be able to get an S21 Plus for much cheaper.
Devices with the 8 Gen 1 Plus will be coming out in the next months. The 8 Gen 2 is apparently supposed to be made available in November so you can imagine that the Gen 1 Plus is really close to being put to use.
The idea is that the usage I get from my S22 is with normal usage. 3h SOT to me is terrible but my math is close to perfect and I've had constant numbers based on that. A person said to take the above comments with a grain of salt. I'm afraid it's not possible with the regular S22. The phone is a complete fail no matter how you look at it. If someone's is claiming they get good battery but the rest of the users are complaining that they don't, that means the phone has terrible battery life. An again, the math I did proves that there's too few milliamps for you to get good battery life. Also, the charging speed is pathetic. It would've made sense for the damn thing to charge faster if the battery life is terrible. That way you'd have had at least the option to plug it in for a few minutes ang get an extra 2 hours SOT just like that. A OP 10 Pro charges to 100% in 30 minutes. If I got 4h SOT on that, I honestly wouldn't even care about SOT anymore because I can leave it plugged in for 5 minutes and get a pretty fat chunk of battery back. Samsung basically ripped people off this year with a terrible phone.
My 2 cents though. You go on and do whatever you think is best, of course. But you asked for advice so my advice is to not get an S22. Get either an S22+ or a OP 10 Pro which is superior.
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It's statements like these that make me leery. It makes me wonder if the person making these statements are getting paid to.

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For the OP:
I agree with everything @dragos281993 said!
You can eventually get used to everything this phone does.. stutters, heating etc. But the biggest let down is the battery.
There is a lengthy discussion on battery here. Do check it out https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...agon-battery-life-and-heating-issues.4445195/
I'd honestly advice to stay away from S22. But if you really want it then at least get the S22+
But real advice, go for a different brand, maybe pixel or One plus. Or if you can live with ios, then get an iphone.
There are other phones coming soon. maybe the Nothing phone (will need to wait for the reviews). or if you can then wait for the year end, then im sure better phones will be out.

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I could say the same about you. Claiming that someone you know gets decent battery life or no lags and stutters is pretty crazy considering that the vast majority of users is experiencing the opposite. The phone overheats and it throttles down most of the time, especially if it's hot outside. Therefore the battery performs worse and you end up with framedrops everywhere, which not everyone cares about or notices. Lag is a different thing though and I wasn't talking about that in my other posts. Stutters/framedrops are very present.
I wish though that someone paid me to write comments on the internet. I can't imagine how that'd work though.
Anyway, I'm currently stuck with an S22 so I'm trying to help others understand why they should stay away from it, and warn them of the pain they're about to go through. The phone is trash and even Samsung knows it. The chip inside is too much for it to handle and the battery simply too small. I went quite in-depth in other threads on this matter, and I speak in milliamps and precise measurements because I experienced it myself. I even rooted it to try some power tweaks but nope, same results. I hate this thing so much I even rock it without any protection right now. If I drop it and it shatters into 1000 pieces, I won't be mad.
The frame is very easily scratched and the same goes for the screen. Mine both look like I dragged my phone on concrete. It's that bad in terms of durability too.
But you know what? I wish the guy who asked for help actually buys the S22. You can learn from others' mistakes and easily avoid disaster, or ignore that and experience it yourself, firsthand. My bet is he'll return it.
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Yeah... But I'm not using terms like "sadistic" and "hurting yourself."
I'm pretty sure getting a phone isn't sadistic nor will it hurt someone.

Thanks for the comments. I don't know why but I have a certain bias (or more appropriately, a "preference") towards Samsung. At this point though, I don't want to get the S22+ if it's a half-baked phone with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. I'm glad that I posted here before pushing through with the purchase. I don't know if I'll be able to wait until early next year for the S23 but it's not too far away.

kevindd992002 said:
Thanks for the comments. I don't know why but I have a certain bias (or more appropriately, a "preference") towards Samsung. At this point though, I don't want to get the S22+ if it's a half-baked phone with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. I'm glad that I posted here before pushing through with the purchase. I don't know if I'll be able to wait until early next year for the S23 but it's not too far away.
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It's not a half baked phone. There are a few trolls on here that only speak for themselves. They make it seem like most people who bought one hate it. That's not even close to being true.
If you're going to wait for the S23 series, keep in mind that Samsung is cutting production numbers for next year because of the ongoing chip shortages.

gernerttl said:
It's not a half baked phone. There are a few trolls on here that only speak for themselves. They make it seem like most people who bought one hate it. That's not even close to being true.
If you're going to wait for the S23 series, keep in mind that Samsung is cutting production numbers for next year because of the ongoing chip shortages.
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Well, looks like you own a S22 and its working well for you. I'm glad that it is. The OP asked for reviews/feedback so we as a community provided. You can provide your positive reviews and for the people who have had a bad experience will provide theirs.. Do remember that just because your S22 is good does not mean everyone has the same experience.. Lets just provide the feedback and let the OP take a call instead of pointing fingers at each other.

The s22 plus is better then the s22.
But it is also priced higher.
So for more money it has better specs.

It depends on what you like using.
Here is my example:
I had the Redmi K20 Pro and loved it for its size. It got damaged so I bought myself a Poco F3 with a fairly bigger screen (I felt like giving bigger phones a try). It's a great phone that I still use as a backup but I got the base S22 because I realized that I need something that fits easily in the pocket, even with a case on. And with the F3, I was always terrified of it flying out of my pocket while on the move.
To conclude, the S22 is a good choice if you want a small-ish flagship. The S22+ is a good choice if you want a bigger device and are willing to spend more money. It all depends on your own preference, so I'd suggest going to some store that has both the S22 and S22+ on display and see which one you prefer.