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1. I have the 5.0 Juggernaut ROM, what's the difference between kernel and ROM? How do you choose your kernel?
2. What's the best battery saving ROM and kernel that has all features of the T898?
MarsHD2 said:
1. I have the 5.0 Juggernaut ROM, what's the difference between kernel and ROM? How do you choose your kernel?
2. What's the best battery saving ROM and kernel that has all features of the T898?
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1. ROM is like the looks and all the little extra stuff of a car. Some devs may decide to put some aftermarket parts on it to make it look cooler, and function differently.
(overall looks and the stuff you use everyday)
KERNEL is like the ENGINE and ECU component of the car, it controls how the car functions.. the smoothness, the strength, the clockspeed. There are plenty of v6 engines in the world, but do they all work the same? nope. Some are tweaked to work best for certain CARS/ROMS.
(OMGAH ROM SO SMOOF SUBER BADDERY LIFE... KERNEL)
well thats the basic breakdown of it.
2. Each device works is different... some kernels/ROMs combo works differently on each phone...
But I have to say.. the devs we have here are all top-notched devs.. you can't go wrong following any of them. USUALLY the devs will leave all the features that are widely used by people and add other perks to the ROMs... sooo Just go flash crazy..
remember kernels and battery life needs a couple days to calibrate with one another.
BTW I find it useful to just stick with one or two devs you can devote your phone to, and just use their stuff.
Hi , I wanna keep on with custom rom but I wanna change my kernel , what's the best battery and performance kernel , what do u think?
Yay, awesome thread
Therollingstone said:
u know what , ive been using android for two years ( htc , samsung , lg ) and dont judge me as using this phone efficient , I have knowladge about computer and smartphone almost your age
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s2d4 said:
Yay, awesome thread
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Was your post *REALLY* necessary?
So, to answer your question:
I don't believe most of the kernels are for the stock ROM, with the exception of faux123's. I have followed faux over from multiple devices, and his kernels have always gotten the best battery life! It also doesn't hurt that you can get over 30 hours with over 3 hours screen on time with his kernel!
[Kernel][GSM][Hybrid-3.0.21]ICS4.0.2/3/4/UV,OC,TUN,CIFS,FIOPS,OTG(v013) [Feb-18]
Also, if its battery life your after as opposed to performance, you should go with the mainline version of the kernel.
KiNG OMaR said:
Was your post *REALLY* necessary?
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nope, just like the thread. his years of "knowladge" didnt help him.
I'm running on Franco 17.2 kernel (too lazy to update to 18.6) with the "stock" 4.0.4 rom and I'm seeing a pretty good battery life improvement over stock kernel.
I collected some metrics last night...
11h 6m on battery with 2h 48m display on time (auto brightness). Wifi was on almost the entire time.
I know people have gotten better with non-stock roms (4 hour display time over 16 hours), but with the stock rom, I'd say it's an improvement (used to only get 8-10 hours with negligible screen time).
I have been using franco 18.6 with the leaked stock 4.0.4 with good results so far, but have seen crashes on 4g/3g border areas. I can't really say if it's the best, because my sample size is a single custom kernel.
Used the app off the android market for OTA kernel updates; and am reluctant to try other kernels until more apps are available like that.
There really is not definitive answer on what the best kernel is for everyone.
Each person uses their phone differently and differing configurations will alter results as well.
Your best bet is to experiment yourself. Flash a kernel and let it run a couple days, trying to take note of how your on screen performance is, what you have run, also how the phone sleeps.
Then you move on and try the next, that is part of the fun!
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nope, just like the thread. his years of "knowladge" didnt help him.
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The point you don't understand is I'm still enough humble to ask people decisions , The experience of users is the most reliable information for me , I havent been a big head and I wont , I still ask people that what's the best kernel with the stock rom
KiNG OMaR said:
Was your post *REALLY* necessary?
So, to answer your question:
I don't believe most of the kernels are for the stock ROM, with the exception of faux123's. I have followed faux over from multiple devices, and his kernels have always gotten the best battery life! It also doesn't hurt that you can get over 30 hours with over 3 hours screen on time with his kernel!
[Kernel][GSM][Hybrid-3.0.21]ICS4.0.2/3/4/UV,OC,TUN,CIFS,FIOPS,OTG(v013) [Feb-18]
Also, if its battery life your after as opposed to performance, you should go with the mainline version of the kernel.
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Thank you very much , I'm really happy with your post.
Therollingstone said:
The point you don't understand is I'm still enough humble to ask people decisions , The experience of users is the most reliable information for me , I havent been a big head and I wont , I still ask people that what's the best kernel with the stock rom
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Well, you obviously failed to realise the point, this kind of thread pops up everyday. So you failed search.
Its like a pair of shoes, you need to try and find what is best for you. Best kernel threads will always be retarded to ask because it is a preference, like an anus, everybody has one.
Hi,
I'm basic user, i do know how to Flash Rom's/kernels and all that basic stuff, but i want to learn about these things:
# Radio
# Guvunor?
# OC and UC
# Baseband
I remeber i saw a thread telling all these things, but i can't find it anymore. I would be thankfull if you could tell me these things, or link me to a guide or something like that.
I have a question, sometimes i see ROM's that's overclocked, do i reduce the phones life when i Overclock?
Thanks guys.
baseband is the radio. Dont flash a radio if you are a beginner
Governor controls the CPUs ramp up/down times and how the speed behaves
Overclock increases the max speed
undervolt lower the voltage used at different speed stages to get better battery life
Your best bet is to install any 4.0.3 or 4.0.4 custom ROM to try out, then flash a custom kernel. For a beginner you might want to try either Faux's tuna kernel or the minimalistic kernel. They have the least "hardcore" experimental stuff and tweaking
If you want to get into the extensive tweaking and tuning, the Glados kernel is easily the best.
EniGmA1987 said:
baseband is the radio. Dont flash a radio if you are a beginner
Governor controls the CPUs ramp up/down times and how the speed behaves
Overclock increases the max speed
undervolt lower the voltage used at different speed stages to get better battery life
Your best bet is to install any 4.0.3 or 4.0.4 custom ROM to try out, then flash a custom kernel. For a beginner you might want to try either Faux's tuna kernel or the minimalistic kernel. They have the least "hardcore" experimental stuff and tweaking
If you want to get into the extensive tweaking and tuning, the Glados kernel is easily the best.
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Why not flash a radio if you're a beginner? It's the same method as flashing a ROM / Kernel unless you plan on fastbooting the radio.
Beginner kernel? not really... all the kernels for the most part work out of the box without any extra tweaking. I recommend Franco kernel.
If you're not going to encourage someone on flashing something then they will never learn how to do it. The best way to do it is to experience it, and it's honestly not that hard to do.
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If you're not going to encourage someone on flashing something then they will never learn how to do it. The best way to do it is to experience it, and it's honestly not that hard to do.
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But flashing a radio and something going wrong can actually hard brick the phone. Same with any type of firmware you flash. So telling someone who is asking all these sorts of questions to do something with dire consequences is not something I can do in good conscience
zephiK said:
Why not flash a radio if you're a beginner? It's the same method as flashing a ROM / Kernel unless you plan on fastbooting the radio.
Beginner kernel? not really... all the kernels for the most part work out of the box without any extra tweaking. I recommend Franco kernel.
If you're not going to encourage someone on flashing something then they will never learn how to do it. The best way to do it is to experience it, and it's honestly not that hard to do.
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Yep. Bad flash with a radio is a good way to **** your pants if you're a noob. Best to get a few soft bricks or I dunno wat happen under your belt before flashing a radio. For real.
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EniGmA1987 said:
But flashing a radio and something going wrong can actually hard brick the phone. Same with any type of firmware you flash. So telling someone who is asking all these sorts of questions to do something with dire consequences is not something I can do in good conscience
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So in your saying, this is saying that if a person accepts a OTA coming from Google they should be paranoid whether or not they should apply the OTA update?
Because upon flashing the OTA update this will update their
1. ROM
2. Radio
3. Bootloader
Is that what you're implying? didn't think so. If one lives in a world filled with fears and paranoia, then they will never fully be comfortable with what they're doing.
1. Flashing radios, like said before, can seriously mess up your phone if something goes wrong; but also as already said, it's as easy as flashing a zip in recovery. Some newer ROMs even bundle with the newest radios.
2. Governors are in laymen terms different personality's for your CPU. In performance it caps the frequency whenever it can, as fast as it can (obviously for performance). In Conservative it will gradually increase and decrease in an attempt for greater battery life. There's a few others but as long as you're not in performance mode I haven't really seem a huge difference between them. Though if you're running a custom kernel they usually have a guide for what governors are used for what (since they usually customize them).
3. Unless you're creating your own kernel, you really won't gain much but Overclocking or Undervolting past whatever kernel you're using (save stock of course). I'd recommend sticking with a kernel (such as franco or leankernel) and just choosing a max/min frequency & gov that fits you. In the same vein, in response to your specific overclocking question, keep mind just because the kernel is overclocked doesn't mean you have to choose the highest frequency they give you. I'm running CM9 and leankernel and the kernel has a max freq of 1350, though using SetCPU I set the max frequency to 950 instead (also keep in mind that most ROMs have CPU settings built in, so SetCPU is mostly optional but it does have a nice widget)
Hi all,
New to Android so apologies if this is a stupid question, but what kernel control app do you use?. I'm looking for a universal one to use with all kernels I may flash.
I love flashing and trying new kernels, but each one has their own paid app. I can't really justify paying for each one unless I know I will be using that same kernel for a long period of time.
Running AOKP, I can already change some of the settings but I'm wondering if the other settings that you get in kernel control apps (like Franco's updater) really make a material difference?
Cheers
In my opinion GLaDOS takes care of most of the kernel functions. I've been using it with GLaDOS, CMPlus, air kernel and Trinity.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."
Control everything of the kernel, or just OC/UV?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus running AOKP+Franco
Oh interesting. Here I thought those kernel specific apps would only work for the particular kernel. I don't really have a problem buying a kernel control app from the cool people who have been making these kernels, but I despise the idea of having to buy an app per kernel lol
marshalllaw said:
Oh interesting. Here I thought those kernel specific apps would only work for the particular kernel. I don't really have a problem buying a kernel control app from the cool people who have been making these kernels, but I despise the idea of having to buy an app per kernel lol
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If you want to buy only one app as something like supporting the dev., I would recommend GLaDos' app.
Literally EVERY kernels around import thing from his work.
He is not a nice guy to chat with, but he indeed make some great works... And personally, I think Franco release a easy-to-use app is the main reason why his kernel is so popular... nothing really impressive in his kernel in fact , it's never easy asking everyone can play with some shell command and init.d script.
Now Glados app is great and full of feature too, including bootloader lock toggle tweak..
NSTools is a general kernel control app that's free.
superstargoddess said:
NSTools is a general kernel control app that's free.
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Ya but it doesn't have many of the options that we now have on the gnex.
It doesn't have colour settings.
All it has is overclock, undervolt and scheduler change.
The official kernel apps have a lot more to offer.
And anyway 2-3 euro is piss all, it's less than a beer!
Franco,glados an trinity app I have all 3.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
randommmm said:
nothing really impressive in his kernel in fact
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Would you care to expand on this statement??
Would sir like the kernel to have a toaster and coffee maker also?
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slayr76 said:
Fraco,glados an trinity app I have all 3.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Me too, I think I can spare <10 euro to pay the devs back for their hard work and whose kernels I have used on nexus s also. Its only fair I think.
nodstuff said:
Ya but it doesn't have many of the options that we now have on the gnex.
It doesn't have colour settings.
All it has is overclock, undervolt and scheduler change.
The official kernel apps have a lot more to offer.
And anyway 2-3 euro is piss all, it's less than a beer!
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Tweaks feature is nice too. The OP said they are new to Android so I thought it would be a good starter app. Could cause some damage with some of the major apps I'd say with so many options!
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Tweaks feature is nice too. The OP said they are new to Android so I thought it would be a good starter app. Could cause some damage with some of the major apps I'd say with so many options!
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Good point, less options = less things to break!
Well for free.99 nstools is a bargain!
I've currently got the Franco App. It is pretty awesome, I was just scared to use it with other kernels. I may actually give the Glados Kernel and app a try later this week
I've bought all three. They're not expensive and I like it better than "donating" since I've had poor luck with devs and donating. Hell, lost a device that way....
GLaDOS works with all three that I use, but to be honest the anal retentive part of me installs the matching app when I switch kernels.
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Would you care to expand on this statement??
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no, I can't honestly, because as I said, NOTHING really original and meaningful thing by him I know of, maybe you can fill me in.
Color tweak, ezekeel
crc and so on, ezekeel
custom voltage, ezekeel
BLX, ezekeel
tun,cfs, slub, ntfs, overclock, you won't think that is original, right? every kernel has them.
And, in fact, something "special" of his kernel:
1. generic hotplug.....
overblown trash, and himself realize it, it's removed now
2. custom sdcard binary
a lot of compatible issue, a lot.
3. custom ramdisk
I don't know how much performance it brings in, but his 2&3 leave some potential issue to other kernel. And nobody was warning before or after they flash the kernel
And FYI, many people think Nexus need color tweak, and Franco's OP color tweak has a misspell, about 18000+ reply before I tell him, nobody found it because most of them just using the Franco Updater, for it give them a much easy way to tweak the screen color, and that is why he kernel became popular.
I know it's cruel, but all of them are fact.
randommmm said:
no, I can't honestly, because as I said, NOTHING really original and meaningful thing by him I know of, maybe you can fill me in.
Color tweak, ezekeel
crc and so on, ezekeel
custom voltage, ezekeel
BLX, ezekeel
tun,cfs, slub, ntfs, overclock, you won't think that is original, right? every kernel has them.
And, in fact, something "special" of his kernel:
1. generic hotplug.....
overblown trash, and himself realize it, it's removed now
2. custom sdcard binary
a lot of compatible issue, a lot.
3. custom ramdisk
I don't know how much performance it brings in, but his 2&3 leave some potential issue to other kernel. And nobody was warning before or after they flash the kernel
And FYI, many people think Nexus need color tweak, and Franco's OP color tweak has a misspell, about 18000+ reply before I tell him, nobody found it because most of them just using the Franco Updater, for it give them a much easy way to tweak the screen color, and that is why he kernel became popular.
I know it's cruel, but all of them are fact.
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His kernel became so popular because it was the first extremely useable and functional kernel we had. And he's a nice guy.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."
randommmm said:
no, I can't honestly, because as I said, NOTHING really original and meaningful thing by him I know of, maybe you can fill me in.
Color tweak, ezekeel
crc and so on, ezekeel
custom voltage, ezekeel
BLX, ezekeel
tun,cfs, slub, ntfs, overclock, you won't think that is original, right? every kernel has them.
And, in fact, something "special" of his kernel:
1. generic hotplug.....
overblown trash, and himself realize it, it's removed now
2. custom sdcard binary
a lot of compatible issue, a lot.
3. custom ramdisk
I don't know how much performance it brings in, but his 2&3 leave some potential issue to other kernel. And nobody was warning before or after they flash the kernel
And FYI, many people think Nexus need color tweak, and Franco's OP color tweak has a misspell, about 18000+ reply before I tell him, nobody found it because most of them just using the Franco Updater, for it give them a much easy way to tweak the screen color, and that is why he kernel became popular.
I know it's cruel, but all of them are fact.
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When I said expand I meant in a non butthurt way. Jeeez.....
joshnichols189 said:
His kernel became so popular because it was the first extremely useable and functional kernel we had. And he's a nice guy.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."
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so maybe you can tell how come this extremely useable & functional kernel's function all come from others?
If you mean he bring in the first easy-to-use app to tweak kernel, can't agree more, but that was what I've said.
randommmm said:
so maybe you can tell how come this extremely useable & functional kernel's function all come from others?
If you mean he bring in the first easy-to-use app to tweak kernel, can't agree more, but that was what I've said.
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Every kernel uses ezekeels tweaks. You do know that right??
I mean even in nexus s everyone was using ezekeels tweaks....
Even cm, they took ezekeels colour implementation and used it.
Sorry but I think you don't know what you are talking about.
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so maybe you can tell how come this extremely useable & functional kernel's function all come from others?
If you mean he bring in the first easy-to-use app to tweak kernel, can't agree more, but that was what I've said.
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I'm not sure why you're so butthurt about people using ezekeel's tweaks that he freely lets people use.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."
joshnichols189 said:
I'm not sure why you're so butthurt about people using ezekeel's tweaks that he freely lets people use.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light."
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Just state the fact that why Franco became popular, and tell the OP if he want to donate to anyone for kernel development, Franco may be not on the top list, regardless the "population" here
Hi,the source has been released few time ago....but there isn't custom rom,why?
This mobile is crap. The biggest bluf from Xiaomi
A lot of people are really, really dissapointed.I own the device less than month, ans think to sell it, and buy some phone with stock clear android.Any advice witch phone to look?
galev_90 said:
A lot of people are really, really dissapointed.I own the device less than month, ans think to sell it, and buy some phone with stock clear android.Any advice witch phone to look?
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What exactly are you disappointed with?
I'm actually enjoying it a lot.
MrColdbird said:
What exactly are you disappointed with?
I'm actually enjoying it a lot.
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i'm on eu and the rom is ok but i want to try another rom...that's it
finally is available the miui 10 global!
IvanGE90 said:
i'm on eu and the rom is ok but i want to try another rom...that's it
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If you really want to run a stock ROM you could always invest some time into patching up the whyred device and vendor trees.
The two devices are mostly identical and essentially just need a blob swap.
MrColdbird said:
What exactly are you disappointed with?
I'm actually enjoying it a lot.
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Brought mm3, ans problem with signal.Can not make calls.2 days reading and flashing different roms, now i am with xiaomi.eu stable. Sometimes the phone restart, from few days, have some battery drain.This is not good for almost new phone of 3 4 weeks.Sorry.
galev_90 said:
Brought mm3, ans problem with signal.Can not make calls.2 days reading and flashing different roms, now i am with xiaomi.eu stable. Sometimes the phone restart, from few days, have some battery drain.This is not good for almost new phone of 3 4 weeks.Sorry.
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Works fine for me. Whatever the issue is, it must be something you did wrong, or something the seller messed up with your device before shipping it to you.
galev_90 said:
Brought mm3, ans problem with signal.Can not make calls.2 days reading and flashing different roms, now i am with xiaomi.eu stable. Sometimes the phone restart, from few days, have some battery drain.This is not good for almost new phone of 3 4 weeks.Sorry.
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You should have followed my guide and tried 8.8.9 eu first before using stable.
opasha said:
You should have followed my guide and tried 8.8.9 eu first before using stable.
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I used and 8.8.9 and wasn't good for me.
galev_90 said:
I used and 8.8.9 and wasn't good for me.
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Can you explain what wasn't good? Did you try resurrected kernel with it? That eliminated lag.
No custom rom yet probably because pocophone just came out. Development has already started for that first than mm3 even though it's released later and I don't think many people like big phones the same as us
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Can you explain what wasn't good? Did you try resurrected kernel with it? That eliminated lag.
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Does resurrected kernel work okay and stable with EU ROM? What are the pros and cons?
the_rebel said:
Does resurrected kernel work okay and stable with EU ROM? What are the pros and cons?
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If you go to the thread - use my settings for best battery or tweak the max frequencies to your liking for performance. You can also choose between Performance, Balanced, and Battery for governor tuner in L Speed cpu tuner section.
Well biggest difference, 117-119K antutu to 130-132K - big enough reason. Aside from no lag and better battery. Plus, more tweaks are coming with better governors.
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no lag and better battery
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Sold! haha
i have got 13h of sot on eu
@opasha stop lying. Battery is worse, up to 10h sot and your settings do not work. Ondemand governon works so bad with this Kernel. Interactive + noop + OC gives up to 10h sot. Stock Kernel 13h-15h.
But performance is visibly better.
Mikromama said:
@opasha stop lying. Battery is worse, up to 10h sot and your settings do not work. Ondemand governon works so bad with this Kernel. Interactive + noop + OC gives up to 10h sot. Stock Kernel 13h-15h.
But performance is visibly better.
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Go take a chill pill and come back after you've collected yourself. No need to call me a liar for no reason. I never said to use ondemand with noop on the latest kernel. Go check the resurrected kernel thread. My recent settings are there. What works well for me and others on 8.8.9 eu rom may not be the same for you since you're not even on the same rom. The newer eu roms have more battery drain - it's noted even in their forums from members. Everyone's SOT is also different. You stated the most useless information. Grow up, man. If you've got nothing productive to say, move along.