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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
i think you need to charge it for 12 hours first.
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Thanks,you were right! An overnight charge of around 12 hours did it.This is the first phone battery I had to do that with to get them to just work at all.Seems to work just fine now Again,thank you!
Let us know how long the battery is lasting once you get a few cycles please!
Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
Will do,just need a few days to do it,its lasting a looooong time!
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Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
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NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
I am having a similar issue with a battery that I ordered off of ebay. It's 3500mah.
When I plug it in it will turn off and get stuck in a boot loop on the vibrant screen, but if it is off then it won't turn on at all when plugged in. It has been plugged in for 9 hours so far and it doesn't even show the charging animation or anything.
Normal? Or is the battery defective?
Thanks.
Ok. After charging it overnight and still nothing, I'm going to assume its broken. Thanks.
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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
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Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
it fits good...
lincoln131 said:
Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
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...and it does get a bit bulky,weight goes up to about double the amount,but it is so worth it,and then some!!I went from 6 hours on the stock battery to over 18 with the Mugen,and thats with heavy use(full brightness/live wallpaper,etc.).If you dont have access to a charger outside your home,this is a great buy,and you know the quality is there,unlike the uncertainty of the cheep chinese ones.Highly recommended!
The OS needs to learn your new battery. Just takes time and usage.
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just bought 3000 mah
just bought one from accessory geeks, it came 70% charged, and am updating battery stats after a full charge, during stat recalibration, power is iffy. will update, and am considering mugen. any suggestions?
I am not so sure about your information
Mannymal said:
NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
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I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
roby5167 said:
I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
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No controversies at all. Your info from the link is outright wrong.
Mannymal is correct on this one.
I also have this battery. By the time I got it, Team Whiskeys roms had gotten good enough to where I didn't need an extended battery for day to day use (stock battery usually has 30-40% when i go to bed), but I do use it when I travel, so I don't have to worry about using it like crazy. The battery lasts a long time, probably like 2 or 3 days if I actually tried to drain it, at least. And it's definitely adds bulk, but it's reasonably well made and feels sturdy.
My only complaint is that I sometimes cover the speaker with my finger when I want to silence it real quick, and it doesn't work with this because the cover's so far from the speaker. But that's just my weird thing.
Also, yeah, don't kill your battery. No es bueno.
What is this? How do I read?
What is this? How do I read?
I use a seido innocell battery and it works great after a few over night charges. I get about 8 hours average of talk time. The battery is pretty small compared to the one accessory greeks sell. Even though the ah battery ia twenty five dollars, that is like the entry level name brand battery, it will lady you a while longer than the cheap ones on ebay, but I don't knower about the ones on ebay although I do know about the one ag sells skies down charging after about 45 percent charging. The seido is charging pretty fast for me and is half the price of a mugen, the next battery I'm going to buy will be the nugent, not because I need it, just
Cause I want to enjoy it.
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All batteries are so used it. . . .
All batteries are so used it. . . .
I'm not up-to-date on battery etiquette, so thought I would check with you chaps. I should be picking my One X up from Carphone Warehouse tomorrow or Wed, but wanted to know whether it was considered better to charge immediately, or to use the battery until the phone dies, then charge fully, or some other third option. Want to make sure I get the best out of the battery, obviously.
Thanks!
wilkomints said:
I'm not up-to-date on battery etiquette, so thought I would check with you chaps. I should be picking my One X up from Carphone Warehouse tomorrow or Wed, but wanted to know whether it was considered better to charge immediately, or to use the battery until the phone dies, then charge fully, or some other third option. Want to make sure I get the best out of the battery, obviously.
Thanks!
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What you really want to do is condition your battery. You don't need to do it immediately but in the first week or so of having the phone. By conditioning, I mean... Charging it until it's full, then using it until its fully discharged, then charging it again. Repeat this cycle ("fully discharged when charging") for 3 to 4 times... after that, you'll notice that your battery lasts longer than usual. It's what I've done with all my phones, seemed to work pretty good.
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What you really want to do is condition your battery. You don't need to do it immediately but in the first week or so of having the phone. By conditioning, I mean... Charging it until it's full, then using it until its fully discharged, then charging it again. Repeat this cycle ("fully discharged when charging") for 3 to 4 times... after that, you'll notice that your battery lasts longer than usual. It's what I've done with all my phones, seemed to work pretty good.
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But were you using Lithium-Ion batteries? From what I have heard, completely depleting the power of the battery actually damages its health.
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But were you using Lithium-Ion batteries? From what I have heard, completely depleting the power of the battery actually damages its health.
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I think you are right.
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A lot of the time android will shut down just before your battery is 100% empty, you will find if you try to turn your phone on after its shut down it will still boot and run for 15 - 30 mins, depending on battery age and condition ofcorse. And if you keep on turning on the phone when its battery is very low/empty you will then start to damage it.
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Some one posted this website before:
http://batteryuniversity.com/
It also has a nice table about how to look after your battery:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table
How to Prime Batteries
...Rechargeable batteries may not deliver their full rated capacity when new and will require formatting. While this applies to most battery systems, manufacturers of lithium-ion batteries disagree. They say that Li-ion is ready at birth and does not need priming. Although this may be true, users have reported some capacity gains by cycling these batteries after long storage....
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Source: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prime_batteries
Charging the battery
Before you turn on and start using HTC One X, it is recommended that you charge the battery.
Only the power adapter and USB Cable provided in the box must be used to charge the battery.
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Source: HTC One X Manual as pasted here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1572581
However there seems to be a common agreement that over the first week / two weeks of usage the battery will improve...
Last quote from MaDaCo review comments from Paul when asked how does he condition his battery:
I don't really condition it tbh, I just find it takes a few charges to get 'up to speed'.
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Conditioning the battery was needed with old style batteries.. new Li-xxx batteries don't need one.. and what does an extra 30mins actually mean to you ...
now you can buy original replacement batteries for 20-30$, so if it loses it's capacity after some time you can easily buy new one...
LorD ClockaN said:
Conditioning the battery was needed with old style batteries.. new Li-xxx batteries don't need one.. and what does an extra 30mins actually mean to you ...
now you can buy original replacement batteries for 20-30$, so if it loses it's capacity after some time you can easily buy new one...
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and how do we fit it ???????????????
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wilkomints said:
I'm not up-to-date on battery etiquette, so thought I would check with you chaps. I should be picking my One X up from Carphone Warehouse tomorrow or Wed, but wanted to know whether it was considered better to charge immediately, or to use the battery until the phone dies, then charge fully, or some other third option. Want to make sure I get the best out of the battery, obviously.
Thanks!
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I'd use the battery as soon as you get it until completely drained.
Then perform a full battery charge without use, its best to do this to ensure a full 0%-100% charge.
Im looking for a Battery Case for my HOX.
I can see all of them, or most of them, got an on/off button. Why?
As an extended battery, I would assume both the case and the phones battery, got a connection that would make them like one battery...
When I buy a case, will I be able to have the case on at all times? And if I then charge via the phones USB port, will be case charge aswell? And the other way?
Thanks!
12lane12 said:
Im looking for a Battery Case for my HOX.
I can see all of them, or most of them, got an on/off button. Why?
As an extended battery, I would assume both the case and the phones battery, got a connection that would make them like one battery...
When I buy a case, will I be able to have the case on at all times? And if I then charge via the phones USB port, will be case charge aswell? And the other way?
Thanks!
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No I don't think the batteries combine together to create one large battery. A battery case is basically a power source, where your phone recharges from, and the amount of mA is just an indicator of it's capacity. The on/off button is used when you want to recharge, or want to stop recharging. Cases are rechargable.
much signau
Then I will be able to always have the case on, and just charge the case. My phone will then, hopefully, most of the time, have full battery.
It will be like always having my phone in the charger. Will that hurt my battery?
On the battery pack cases (ibison, etc) Is there a way to access the battery of the case
first before accessing the HTC battery?
For example if you put in a fully charged HTC one and then turn on the battery pack will it draw
from the battery pack or will it draw directly from the HTC one and then the battery
pack recharges the phone?
I am hoping that you can run directly from the battery pack case.
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They're simply a power source. Instead of a wall to plug into the phone is plugged into the case/pack. I see a lot of them have a switch you press to close the circuit and start charging the phone. To do what you are suggesting I would assume a kernel edit or hard mod would be required. I may be wrong though.
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They're simply a power source. Instead of a wall to plug into the phone is plugged into the case/pack. I see a lot of them have a switch you press to close the circuit and start charging the phone. To do what you are suggesting I would assume a kernel edit or hard mod would be required. I may be wrong though.
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It would take some kernel mod to draw from external only. It's doable in the Linux roots, I just have never seen anyone do such a thing on any of the devices I've owned. I'd also be a little leery about whether or not an external case could reliably provide enough voltage to run the phone, but if it works, it would be pretty neat.
You'd also face the problem of the kernel being unable to detect the external battery's capacity and switch over to internal power + charging, so you'd best have a watchful eye!
great
Rirere said:
It would take some kernel mod to draw from external only. It's doable in the Linux roots, I just have never seen anyone do such a thing on any of the devices I've owned. I'd also be a little leery about whether or not an external case could reliably provide enough voltage to run the phone, but if it works, it would be pretty neat.
You'd also face the problem of the kernel being unable to detect the external battery's capacity and switch over to internal power + charging, so you'd best have a watchful eye!
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If this can be done the internal battery will virtually remain brand new. That would be a great accomplishment.
The question is, is it doable..................
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cc999 said:
If this can be done the internal battery will virtually remain brand new. That would be a great accomplishment.
The question is, is it doable..................
CC
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No, not really. Unless you could fully d/c the battery, you'd still get at least some wear, and leaving a battery idle doesn't preserve it in the slightest. If you want to preserve a battery, drop the charge to 40% and leave it in a cool, dry refrigerator. Your battery is still going to suffer all of the temperature-related wear and tear which is what helps send most batteries to the grave.
This will be my first phone with a battery I cant replace. Batteries lose a lot of capacity and will be down to something like 75% after 12-14 months. Has anyone got a battery replaced on previous models? How much did it cost? What is the battery capacity loss like in general on HTC phones? Thanks
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gsw5700 said:
This will be my first phone with a battery I cant replace. Batteries lose a lot of capacity and will be down to something like 75% after 12-14 months. Has anyone got a battery replaced on previous models? How much did it cost? What is the battery capacity loss like in general on HTC phones? Thanks
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The battery on my m9 has kept itself together well considering it's a year old. I have flashed the sense 8 launcher and now the battery is as good as when I first got it. I wouldn't be worried bout that mate
I haven't had a removable battery since the a Nexus 5. My Nexus 5 turned into a media player and it holds a charge for about 3 days easy. 5 days when I rarely touch it. It's almost going on 3 years old. I don't miss a removable battery all that much as I thought I would.
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You also have QC 3.0 and the HTC charger has some cooling tech, so the battery should have a better lifespan than previous iterations anyway.
the point of having replacing battery is to carry one with you at all times to replace it, right?
I think, if you're gonna carry something i would rather have a power bank, less dangerous to have around and takes way more battery and you don't have to remove the battery to use, yes it has to be connect to the phone, but hey, everything has pros and cons.
I prefer the power bank and i also never had to change a battery because it lost quality, but that's me
No, I replace my battery every 6 months as batteries lose capacity, after replacing it, I always get a big increase in battery life, after 1-2 years, it may only holding 60-70% of original charge
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have you tried calibrating your battery before replacing it with a new one?
gsw5700 said:
No, I replace my battery every 6 months as batteries lose capacity, after replacing it, I always get a big increase in battery life, after 1-2 years, it may only holding 60-70% of original charge
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You must be doing a lot of charge and discharge cycles a day to wear it out that quick...
So I've had my M7 since I pre-ordered it April of 2013. Still the original battery. If I unplug the phone at 8am and use it normally throughout the day (occasionally browsing reddit/YouTube, texts/messenger/emails during downtime), it probably lasts 8 ish hours without charging it at all.
Not sure if that helps. Can definitely tell it's degraded a bit since I first got it.
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codeglitch said:
the point of having replacing battery is to carry one with you at all times to replace it, right?
I think, if you're gonna carry something i would rather have a power bank, less dangerous to have around and takes way more battery and you don't have to remove the battery to use, yes it has to be connect to the phone, but hey, everything has pros and cons.
I prefer the power bank and i also never had to change a battery because it lost quality, but that's me
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Your phone doesn't get to 100% in 5 seconds with a power bank, a replaceable battery does. A replaceable battery is a lot lighter and smaller than a power bank. And who wants to use a phone with something tethered to it?
av911 said:
Your phone doesn't get to 100% in 5 seconds with a power bank, a replaceable battery does. A replaceable battery is a lot lighter and smaller than a power bank. And who wants to use a phone with something tethered to it?
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i said....
you don't have to remove the battery to use, yes it has to be connect to the phone, but hey, everything has pros and cons.
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if you're using the phone you're most likely not moving a lot either, which means you can easy stay still and connected to the power bank, there are small power banks and some even give you quick charge option, but like i said or meant to say, use whatever you want and think it's better for you
My M8 was purchased on day one and after two years of use it's still going very strong. I don't notice any significant differences from my initial impressions.
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codeglitch said:
have you tried calibrating your battery before replacing it with a new one?
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How do you calibrate battery?
M7 three years old. Always get 4 hours plus sot. Even got seven when reading heavy. I wouldn't worry, just don't charge all night, buy a timer.
Attached the wrong one, even though it was good too.
Batteries are odd things, especially Li-polymer batteries.
Like above, my M7 is 3 years old.
I get 14-20 hours average out of my phone with a LOT of web/email and poor coverage (mentioned because it sucks more juice in thinner coverage). Currently I'm on 13+ hours and have 17% left.
The real damage to these batteries is # of charging cycles and heat. Heat prematurely wears out the chemicals and each time you plug into charge you're killing one of a limited amount of charge cycles.
You should not see a true decrease in capacity as these don't have memory effect.
I'm a horrible user in that I often plug into charge when in the car and tend to run my battery way down before recharging, both of which are hard on a battery.
TLR - you'll be fine
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How do you calibrate battery?
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Here are some directions: (YMMV)
http://android-revolution-hd.blogspot.com/2015/10/how-to-recalibrate-battery-life-on-htc.html
shankly1985 said:
How do you calibrate battery?
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When you get a new phone there is not need to worry about this at the beginning, but after 2-3 months you should think about doing a full discharge, from 100% until it turns off, even after it turns off i don't plug it right in, i try to boot it 2 or 3 times and let it turn off by it self again, then just charge it 100% again, this should help is some cases (do this procedure only once a month maybe, there is no need to do it all the time because it will put strain in the battery and if you do it a lot you will also lose battery life).
Another thing to keep in mind is that tests have shown that if you can, you should charge your phone at +-50% (instead of 20% or less) until 90-98%~, of course not everyone has the time for this but it's something that helps maintain battery life.
Battery's also need exercise and keeping the battery plugged in a lot won't help, if you can avoiding stressing the battery with high temperatures as this also reduces the battery life.
There might be a few more tips for battery's but this is all I remember/know for now, hope it helps :good: