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Bloat, How much?

I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?

serialtoon said:
I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?
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Around 3 T-Mobile apps and preloaded apps like lookout (most irritating), box and few others. Overall not that much.

serialtoon said:
I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?
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Yup, also have an AT&T version (which is going back today) had to disable over 20 bloatware apps out of the box, no joke! I got the T-Mobile version tonight, and as the other guy above said, only 3-4 bloat apps to disable!
Also, my T-Mobile version is noticeably much less laggy than the AT&T version... not sure if it's because of all the crap they put on there or if it was some hardware issues on that particular phone.

Bloat is minimal. You'll be annoyed at first until you go through and disable all the intrusive notifications mostly lookout as previously mentioned and the T-Mobile accounts and network health stuff.
So our T-Mobile g3 bootloaders come unlocked?

Its very minimal, surprisingly.

Punchatron said:
Bloat is minimal. You'll be annoyed at first until you go through and disable all the intrusive notifications mostly lookout as previously mentioned and the T-Mobile accounts and network health stuff.
So our T-Mobile g3 bootloaders come unlocked?
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yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.

wavrunrx said:
yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.
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THAT's RIGHT!!!
I am just waiting for it all to happen then I will start the rooting conquest. Got the phone soon as it came out. Loving it thus far, runs very smooth and fast, great pics, great sounds so far its living up to the hype even better. Haven't tried live recording yet

can you guys give a list of what you uninstalled?
I did box, but not sure about the textlink, thinkfree and voice mate. what is textlink?
Is voicemate the voice command?
I want to get rid of the t-mobile apps, like my account, tv and name id. Can't wait for root to get rid of those.

aimfire72 said:
Yup, also have an AT&T version (which is going back today) had to disable over 20 bloatware apps out of the box, no joke! I got the T-Mobile version tonight, and as the other guy above said, only 3-4 bloat apps to disable!
Also, my T-Mobile version is noticeably much less laggy than the AT&T version... not sure if it's because of all the crap they put on there or if it was some hardware issues on that particular phone.
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20 apps?!? It's so irritating to see that this is still happening.
This is an obvious indication that carriers continue to simply look at the phones they offer to customers as just another way to pull even more revenue from the pockets of those who already pay way too much for the services to begin with. I'm glad to see at least one carrier (T-Mobile) has calmed down on this bull****.

wavrunrx said:
yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.
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The sharpening is on every G3 model. It's a software "feature," not hardware.

[Q] New to LG question

Hello,
I am potentially new to the LG brand having spent most of the last several years with HTC devices and wondered if the longtime LG folks could help with a couple of questions:
Does LG only release carrier branded devices or do they release GSM unlocked versions as well in the US? I'll be changing to T-Mobile but I am vehemently opposed to carrier branded/locked devices and prefer to purchase direct w/o carrier specific junk.
While I know folks probably don't know about the G4 just yet but how has unlocking the bootloader worked in the past with LG. Can it be unlocked, can you buy unlocked versions, etc?
With many devices (coming from HTC) hotspot is able to be modified so that it can be used fairly easily without carrier interference. Not trying to start a debate on the value of this or if it is stealing from the carrier, etc. For me I've looked at it as I am paying for a specific amount of data, how I choose to use it should be up to me. Has it been accomplished in the past with LG devices to fairly easily use hotspot without carrier headaches?
Again thanks, just trying to nail down some details for my own knowledge to decide if this will be the best device for me. I watched the launch this morning and I am very positive coming out of that but wanted to get some feedback on some specific items that are important to me.
Thanks,

ThePhoneGeek said:
Hello,
I am potentially new to the LG brand having spent most of the last several years with HTC devices and wondered if the longtime LG folks could help with a couple of questions:
Does LG only release carrier branded devices or do they release GSM unlocked versions as well in the US? I'll be changing to T-Mobile but I am vehemently opposed to carrier branded/locked devices and prefer to purchase direct w/o carrier specific junk.
While I know folks probably don't know about the G4 just yet but how has unlocking the bootloader worked in the past with LG. Can it be unlocked, can you buy unlocked versions, etc?
With many devices (coming from HTC) hotspot is able to be modified so that it can be used fairly easily without carrier interference. Not trying to start a debate on the value of this or if it is stealing from the carrier, etc. For me I've looked at it as I am paying for a specific amount of data, how I choose to use it should be up to me. Has it been accomplished in the past with LG devices to fairly easily use hotspot without carrier headaches?
Again thanks, just trying to nail down some details for my own knowledge to decide if this will be the best device for me. I watched the launch this morning and I am very positive coming out of that but wanted to get some feedback on some specific items that are important to me.
Thanks,
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1. They have versions for specific US carriers, and an International version of the G3 that works internationally (Obviously) but yes, you can get unlocked international versions of the G3, or versions specific to your US carrier. You can also get version specific for countries.
2. Bootloader hasn't been unlocked for the G3. LG is ridiculously strict about this, so because the bootloader is locked, with the G3 we've had to "Bump" the custom ROMs (Sign them with legit tags) so that the bootloader will actually boot the phone with a custom ROM.
3. As for the hotspot, I've never used it on my phone so I couldn't tell you about that.

The G2 and G3 have had modded hotspot for those of us with unlimited data plans. Some models you can simply modify a file while others require a flashable ZIP. I'm hoping we get custom recovery and root for this, we've gotten it for the G2 and G3 so far.

It sounds like LG isn't as developer friendly as HTC but IMO is making a superior device. Nice thing about HTC is they sell unlocked and developer edition devices that work with either AT&T or T-Mobile and are sim unlocked and the dev ed comes with bootloader unlocked as well.
I am sure the dev community can make it functional root, etc. Hope so because I really don't want to buy an M9 and the G4 checks off so many boxes on my list of needs...
Thanks all for the info!

ThePhoneGeek said:
It sounds like LG isn't as developer friendly as HTC but IMO is making a superior device. Nice thing about HTC is they sell unlocked and developer edition devices that work with either AT&T or T-Mobile and are sim unlocked and the dev ed comes with bootloader unlocked as well.
I am sure the dev community can make it functional root, etc. Hope so because I really don't want to buy an M9 and the G4 checks off so many boxes on my list of needs...
Thanks all for the info!
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yeah I've been waiting for the perfect replacement for my ATT S3. so, rootable, removable back/battery, solid dev community, etc. this one looks just about perfect, only the root status for the ATT model is the unknown. so, let the real waiting begin. i guess the M9 is an ok option, but there's just a few things i can't love about the M9 like the camera.

VR32 said:
yeah I've been waiting for the perfect replacement for my ATT S3. so, rootable, removable back/battery, solid dev community, etc. this one looks just about perfect, only the root status for the ATT model is the unknown. so, let the real waiting begin. i guess the M9 is an ok option, but there's just a few things i can't love about the M9 like the camera.
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yeah I have the M8 and the camera is horrid. The design was great in March of 2014 but HTC really lost me with the fact that this years design offers almost nothing new and the so called camera improvements are still not good.
I am really hoping this works out well for LG because there is so much I like about the device.

ThePhoneGeek said:
yeah I have the M8 and the camera is horrid. The design was great in March of 2014 but HTC really lost me with the fact that this years design offers almost nothing new and the so called camera improvements are still not good.
I am really hoping this works out well for LG because there is so much I like about the device.
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Question about development for the Pixel

So I've been with Verizon forever so I'm familiar with locked down phones. I've had the Droid X, GS3, GS4, and the GS5. All of the devices had a huge development community. The S5 especially always had plenty of ROMs even before the bootloader was unlocked.
I'm curious what people think will come of Pixel development? I know the phone is somewhat new and there is issues with TWRP because of the partitions but I just figured there would be more happening with this phone already. Don't get me wrong I appreciate everything devs do and I know they often do it all for free I'm just debating if its worth keeping this phone or not. I've only activated it a few times and used it around my house but I am very disappointed with the battery level.
Also with the new update dePixel8 has been patched so that means there are very few people with Verizon pixels who have unlocked bootloaders. Guessing this is also going to have a huge impact on the dev community for this phone. Seeing as how expensive the phone is outright from Google (With the best buy deal I basically got the Pixel for $140. $240 total but I also got a $100 best buy gift card). I'm still on Verizon's unlimited plan but it's so tempting to go to another carrier for the simple fact that I can most likey easily unlock bootloaders and root my phones.

It takes time for Devs to get their Phones to start to develop Custom ROMs.
It will pick up soon I'm sure.
Patience is a virtue ?. (I know I want to get me some DU on here asap!)

aholeinthewor1d said:
So I've been with Verizon forever so I'm familiar with locked down phones. I've had the Droid X, GS3, GS4, and the GS5. All of the devices had a huge development community. The S5 especially always had plenty of ROMs even before the bootloader was unlocked.
I'm curious what people think will come of Pixel development? I know the phone is somewhat new and there is issues with TWRP because of the partitions but I just figured there would be more happening with this phone already. Don't get me wrong I appreciate everything devs do and I know they often do it all for free I'm just debating if its worth keeping this phone or not. I've only activated it a few times and used it around my house but I am very disappointed with the battery level.
Also with the new update dePixel8 has been patched so that means there are very few people with Verizon pixels who have unlocked bootloaders. Guessing this is also going to have a huge impact on the dev community for this phone. Seeing as how expensive the phone is outright from Google (With the best buy deal I basically got the Pixel for $140. $240 total but I also got a $100 best buy gift card). I'm still on Verizon's unlimited plan but it's so tempting to go to another carrier for the simple fact that I can most likey easily unlock bootloaders and root my phones.
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We're basically waiting on twrp to be stable. Once that occurs I bet you'll see more roms.

B+H Unlocked V30 $150 off

http://www.androidpolice.com/2018/0...lg-v30-674-99-150-off-bh-no-tax-except-ny-nj/

Wow.
But ignore the misinformation in the article about it not being unlocked. The writer says you need the LG V30+ to be "unlocked". Yet, their screenshot even shows the wording that the B&H Photo LG V30 is carrier unlocked. And LG bootloader unlock is coming soon, for both the V30 and V30+. But then a lot of these tech writers are totally ignorant.

Hopefully b and h photo will also offer that 150 off on the v30+ once they realize they sold like 3 of them

stu5797 said:
Hopefully b and h photo will also offer that 150 off on the v30+ once they realize they sold like 3 of them
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I bought one of their V30+. It was my 2nd LG device purchase, to get the $400 rebate card. So, my average price was $665 for the two phones.
But now that the time limit has almost passed to fulfill that promotion (45 days from December 2), yeah a discount would be nice.

ChazzMatt said:
Wow.
But ignore the misinformation in the article about it not being unlocked. The writer says you need the LG V30+ to be "unlocked". Yet, their screenshot even shows the wording that the B&H Photo LG V30 is carrier unlocked. And LG bootloader unlock is coming soon, for both the V30 and V30+. But then a lot of these tech writers are totally ignorant.
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Doesn't say it's not unlocked, says you need to buy v30+ for an unlocked unit in black

LRiley said:
Doesn't say it's not unlocked, says you need to buy v30+ for an unlocked unit in black
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YES, it did. My comments made them correct it. Here's the direct quote from the original article:
"you'll need to buy the not-discounted $929.99 V30+ to get unlocked".
They've since edited the article, so you now see what the writer Richard Gao says he meant to say -- not what he actually wrote originally. I pointed out their error in the comments at the bottom of the article, with that direct quote.
In fact below my comments, the writer Richard Gao says he's now changed it --- due to my comments:
That was poor wording on my part. I meant to say that you'd have to buy the V30+ to get an unlocked model in black
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The V30+ on Amazon is down to $903, despite still being out of stock. Not a significant change but hope it will drop more soon.
http://a.co/hxi1h39

yeah I pulled the trigger and bought the V30 from B&H, should be here tomorrow, my essential phone is going back to Best buy tomorrow.

You will like this phone. Good move. I'm waiting for the v30 plus to ha e a realistic price

I've been waiting on this phone to go down in price. I killed my Moto x pure trying to change the battery. Twelve hours before it was discounted I bought a V30 off eBay and paid more than I should've. I wasn't even thinking about the warranty. Just my luck.

The V30+ just dropped down to $775 on B&H.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1379518-REG/lg_lgus998u_a1usbk_v30_unlocked_phone_black.html

Nice find! Still having a hard time pulling the trigger. Even though I believe this is the best phone out, I doubt it will have any developer support... I can't believe lg won't even allow the boot loader to be unlocked yet. Come on!

stu5797 said:
Nice find! Still having a hard time pulling the trigger. Even though I believe this is the best phone out, I doubt it will have any developer support... I can't believe lg won't even allow the boot loader to be unlocked yet. Come on!
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That is frustrating. It shouldn't take that long.
Yes, I know LG waited six weeks for the US997 G6 (mid May, to very end of June), but that was ridiculous. Still, after that was dev support.
By the way, January 15 will be six weeks mark for our open market US998 V30. Let's hope the V30+ release at end of December didn't reset the timer?
Yet, Europe H930 was only three weeks after release.
LG doesn't seem to understand their phones would be more popular if they preemptively put them on their Bootloader Unlock list. So you would know for sure when the phone have out, you could immediately root it.
Sent from my official carrier unlocked LG V30+ US998

stu5797 said:
Nice find! Still having a hard time pulling the trigger. Even though I believe this is the best phone out, I doubt it will have any developer support... I can't believe lg won't even allow the boot loader to be unlocked yet. Come on!
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I'm beginning to feel the same way. Looking like oneplus will own the dev community from here on out. Even at the discounted price, it's hard to say that the v30 is $200+ more of a phone than the 5t is especially if you are into roms and such. If you want the latest hardware with unlockable bootloaders out of the gate, I'm not sure where else to look. For me personally, Id like external sd, a solid camera, AOSP roms and ip67/68. Difficult to find nowadays. Anyone?

bacon612 said:
I'm beginning to feel the same way. Looking like oneplus will own the dev community from here on out. Even at the discounted price, it's hard to say that the v30 is $200+ more of a phone than the 5t is especially if you are into roms and such.
If you want the latest hardware with unlockable bootloaders out of the gate, I'm not sure where else to look. For me personally, Id like external sd, a solid camera, AOSP roms and ip67/68. Difficult to find nowadays. Anyone?
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ROMs can't add QHD, Qi wireless charging, and IP68 rating. Until OnePlus releases a true premium phone, I can't stand them. Even the Nexus phones were the first or some of the first to have 1080p and then 1440p QHD as well as Qi wireless charging. The people who say the Nexus phones didn't have the best specs aren't talking about hardware specs or features. Yeah, Google skimped on battery and their cameras weren't FANTASTIC, but the hardware specs and features were always cutting edge. So, NO OnePlus is not a "Nexus" replacement. To me, they are hype masters and pretenders.
The only other option is the Exynos Samsung variants which have OEM bootloader unlock out of the gate OR the Hong Kong Snapdragon Samsung variants which have OEM bootloader unlock. Hong Kong and mainland China Galaxy Snapdragon 835 S8/S8+ have had TWRP and root since last July, because they have simple OEM bootloader unlock. And they have all the U.S. carrier bands. Great to import via eBay. But I'm not a huge Samsung fan.
Now whether there are any custom ROMs for the Snapdragon 835 bootloader unlocked Hong Kong/mainland China variants, I do not know. I do know there are lots for the Exynos bootloader unlocked variants.
As soon as LG gets off their butt and puts the US998 on the bootloader unlock list you will see dev interest, just like the LG G6 starting in last July.

ChazzMatt said:
ROMs can't add QHD, Qi wireless charging, and IP68 rating. Until OnePlus releases a true premium phone, I can't stand them. Even the Nexus phones were the first or some of the first to have 1080p and then 1440p QHD as well as Qi wireless charging. The people who say the Nexus phones didn't have the best specs aren't talking about hardware specs or features. Yeah, Google skimped on battery and their cameras weren't FANTASTIC, but the hardware specs and features were always cutting edge. So, NO OnePlus is not a "Nexus" replacement. To me, they are hype masters and pretenders.
The only other option is the Exynos Samsung variants which have OEM bootloader unlock out of the gate OR the Hong Kong Snapdragon Samsung variants which have OEM bootloader unlock. Hong Kong and mainland China Galaxy Snapdragon 835 S8/S8+ have had TWRP and root since last July, because they have simple OEM bootloader unlock. And they have all the U.S. carrier bands. Great to import via eBay. But I'm not a huge Samsung fan.
Now whether there are any custom ROMs for the Snapdragon 835 bootloader unlocked Hong Kong/mainland China variants, I do not know. I do know there are lots for the Exynos bootloader unlocked variants.
As soon as LG gets off their butt and puts the US998 on the bootloader unlock list you will see dev interest, just like the LG G6 starting in last July.
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I hope you are right and I'll be on board. I'm never going to buy a device until I see the proof in the pudding, though. Even if you look at the most popular device threads on xda, I think my statement above about oneplus has merit. We don't have to agree with what the masses want, but ultimately popularity will dictate the direction things will go for the development community.

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I hope you are right and I'll be on board. I'm never going to buy a device until I see the proof in the pudding, though. Even if you look at the most popular device threads on xda, I think my statement above about oneplus has merit. We don't have to agree with what the masses want, but ultimately popularity will dictate the direction things will go for the development community.
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I normally wait until I can root from the first day I own the phone, but this time I had to go ahead and buy... but knowing LG would/should soon place the open market LG US998 on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
My rants against OnePlus are the same as against last year's Essential. They both pretend to be premium phones, but really are not. They're just missing too much stuff. There's also a whole cadre of Chinese 1080p slabs that fit that category too.
The only real competition LG V30 has is the Samsung Note 8. Maybe the Pixel 2 XL if you lower your standards a little. Yes, for dev work, the Pixel 2 XL has an advantage... But just no Qi wireless charging (one of my requirements) nor headset jack.
(I bet Google adds Qi wireless charging back for the 2018 Pixels, now that Apple has added it.)
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ChazzMatt said:
I normally wait until I can root from the first day I own the phone, but this time I had to go ahead and buy... but knowing LG would/should soon place the open market LG US998 on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
My rants against OnePlus are the same as against last year's Essential. They both pretend to be premium phones but really are not. They're just missing too much stuff. There's also a whole cadre of Chinese 1080p slabs that fit that category too.
The only real competition V30 has is the Samsung Note 8. Maybe the Pixel 2 XL if you lower your standards a little. For dev work, the Pixel 2 XL has an advantage... But just no Qi wireless charging (one of my requirements) nor headset jack.
(I bet Google adds Qi wireless charging back for the 2018 Pixels, now that Apple has added it.)
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It's the 'would/should' thing I'm worried about. Plus I'm willing to wait for the prices to fall even farther (unless we get unlocked bootloaders soon) as we get into Snapdragon 845 device territory. After all SD 835 is soooooo last year . I get the suspicion that the v30 isn't selling well at all as evidenced by the b+h sales as well as carrier BOGO offers. We usually only see BOGO on devices that sell crazy volume or inventory they are trying to clear. The v30 is likely the latter.
Either way, I spend way too much time refreshing these xda v30 threads and wait impatiently for good news sooner than later.

This of course is completely anecdotal but after I talked up the V30 at work, three iPhone users switched over to the V30 (they purchased from their respective carriers) and they all love it. It could be true it isn't selling that well but LG isn't and hasn't ever really been a market leader, they always seem to discount phones quickly, have promos, etc. In any case, I'm confident in ChazzMatt's prediction of the phone being on the bootloader unlock list pretty soon and I don't think there is a better phone out there for my needs. It's not perfect but it's enough for me.

I am an idiot... I just pulled the trigger on the v30+.
In my dream it will be rooted with Resurrection remix installed. Don't know why I did this cause the chance of that are so slim...
This phone is amazing though!

POLL: Which first, LG release North America G7 bootloader unlock code or Pie update?

Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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Its LG something will happen only if they decide it

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.

doubledragon5 said:
They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.
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I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
Currently supported devices which can be unlocked:
https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev

mr3p said:
I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
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https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev
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That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...

doubledragon5 said:
That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...
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Agree totally.

Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x

DeeBG said:
Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x
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I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...

doubledragon5 said:
I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...
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Yeah, the reviews make it look like my ideal phone; I hope Google keeps making a midtier phone like the 3a as they release new lines. 3a/3a XL even reintroduced a standard headphone jack