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[Q] Hello to all. looking to buy an m8

My previous phone was the galaxy s4 sgh-i337. Thanks to you guy's I was able to root, and install ss. I was under the impression that all ATT phones where boot locked, but I have seen some htc m8 say unlocked.
I am confused. I recently changed over to T-Mobile, due to data overages, and locked boot.
My question is can I buy any of the variants and be safe? or should I stick with a T-Mobile branded version.

All versions of the M8 are bootloader locked (with exception of Developer's Edition), but can be easily unlocked via official means through HTC's website HTCDev.com. Once bootloader unlocked you can flash custom recovery, root, flash custom ROMs, and lots of other things. Not nearly as locked down as recent Samsung devices on AT&T.
If you are on T-Mobile, you should probably get the T-Mobile branded version if you want a phone that is compatible with T-Mobile's bands, out of the box.
You can flash the T-Mob radio to an AT&t version, but S-off is required ($25 via sunshine). Not worth having to mod the phone to get it fully running on T-Mob, if you can just buy the T-Mob version. There really isn't any benefit to getting the AT&T variant.

Awesome thanks for the reply. I looked again at some phones, and noticed the nexus 6. It looks good too. I know its more expensive, but is there a reason to choose the htc over the nexus 6?

TireIron431 said:
I know its more expensive, but is there a reason to choose the htc over the nexus 6?
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N6 is a very nice looking phone, and Nexus OS updates is certainly a nice perk. And some reviews compare the front-facing speakers on the N6 as being comparable ("almost" as good) to the impressive BoomSound speakers on the M8.
On the other hand, the N6 is really big, so you might want to make sure you are okay with that before buying. And while still very nice, the N6's back is plastic, so you may want to compare it in hand to the gorgeous metal M8.
The camera on the N6 is described as "average"; although the M8's camera is pretty divisive, as well.
All in all, I don't think you can go wrong either way. Both are excellent phones. Aside from sheer size difference, it comes down to some pretty subtle, and rather preferential differences.

redpoint73 said:
N6 is a very nice looking phone, and Nexus OS updates is certainly a nice perk. And some reviews compare the front-facing speakers on the N6 as being comparable ("almost" as good) to the impressive BoomSound speakers on the M8.
On the other hand, the N6 is really big, so you might want to make sure you are okay with that before buying. And while still very nice, the N6's back is plastic, so you may want to compare it in hand to the gorgeous metal M8.
The camera on the N6 is described as "average"; although the M8's camera is pretty divisive, as well.
All in all, I don't think you can go wrong either way. Both are excellent phones. Aside from sheer size difference, it comes down to some pretty subtle, and rather preferential differences.
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Once again thank you. I will check them out in person. I may still go for the m8. Don't know if I really want to drop 6-700 on a phone.

Is there anything special about the Harmon kardon edition other than the headphones?

TireIron431 said:
Is there anything special about the Harmon kardon edition other than the headphones?
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Yes. The audio libs and ADSP are different than stock BoomSound. If you get S-Off you can convert to H/K and back to BoomSound again, so if you have nice headphones already, the standard model should do. But the H/K headphones are a pretty good deal for the small markup in price.

I'm finding some better deals on the HK edition, than I am the regular htc. I like the look and feel of the grey standard one. Is it possible to turn a regular one into the HK edition? I plan on custom installs and everything. I don't have a good pair of headphones. The ones that come with the hk edition are good from what I can tell. I am on T-Mobile, so I would have to flash it to T-Mobile. Is this a problem? I'm just trying to get all the answers before I buy.
Thanks again.

TireIron431 said:
I'm finding some better deals on the HK edition, than I am the regular htc. I like the look and feel of the grey standard one. Is it possible to turn a regular one into the HK edition? I plan on custom installs and everything. I don't have a good pair of headphones. The ones that come with the hk edition are good from what I can tell. I am on T-Mobile, so I would have to flash it to T-Mobile. Is this a problem? I'm just trying to get all the answers before I buy.
Thanks again.
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If you are rooting, then yes you can flash the H/K mod. You will need to be S-Off to do it, and that costs $25 from Sunshine (it's the only way now). It's totally worth it though to pay for. Besides getting the H/K sound, you will always be able to stay on top of the latest firmware. Otherwise to update it you have to flash a stock backup, a stock recovery, take the OTA (when it comes available), then go through the rooting process again. With S-Off, you just flash a firmware.zip and you are done.

TireIron431 said:
I'm finding some better deals on the HK edition, than I am the regular htc. I like the look and feel of the grey standard one. Is it possible to turn a regular one into the HK edition? I plan on custom installs and everything. I don't have a good pair of headphones. The ones that come with the hk edition are good from what I can tell. I am on T-Mobile, so I would have to flash it to T-Mobile. Is this a problem? I'm just trying to get all the answers before I buy.
Thanks again.
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I don't recommend getting a Sprint phone if you have T-mobile

So $25 from Sunshine is the only way to fully unlock an HTC now? It seems the more I find out about root, custom roms, and anything else we want to do with our phones is becoming more and more ridiculous to do.
I got off ATT because I was tired of knox, and have been researching that them and Verizon were the ones you didn't want because of the encrypted bootloaders. I got T-Mobile because from what I read they do not encrypt their bootloaders.
I was real excited to be able to customize my phone however I wanted. Im still new to all of this. The only phone I have ever modded was the sgh-i337.
Am I going to have spend 25 bucks every time I want to customize or reload something?
Sorry if i'm coming across as ungrateful or something. It's just that with the experience with the i337 I thought I was past that stuff.

You can root and unlock without s-off. You're just slightly limited to android version, for example. Once htc update to lollipop that particular problem will end. The cost is unfortunate but justified.

TireIron431 said:
So $25 from Sunshine is the only way to fully unlock an HTC now? It seems the more I find out about root, custom roms, and anything else we want to do with our phones is becoming more and more ridiculous to do.
I got off ATT because I was tired of knox, and have been researching that them and Verizon were the ones you didn't want because of the encrypted bootloaders. I got T-Mobile because from what I read they do not encrypt their bootloaders.
I was real excited to be able to customize my phone however I wanted. Im still new to all of this. The only phone I have ever modded was the sgh-i337.
Am I going to have spend 25 bucks every time I want to customize or reload something?
Sorry if i'm coming across as ungrateful or something. It's just that with the experience with the i337 I thought I was past that stuff.
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Samsung is the one with "locked bootloaders" All the recent HTC Phones have bootloader unlock Via HTCDEV.com you just have to create an account and go through a few steps to unlock. Unlocked Sim is totally different and has nothing to do with htc. All the carriers have some forum of Sim lock so their no advantage of one over the other. Whats important to note is the 2 different Radio technologies used by the different carriers. GSM = T-mobile / AT&T / International / Developer Edition / Rogers / Vodaphone and/or CDMA = Verizon / Sprint / Boost / Virgin Mobile
The Sim Unlocked GSM One is the most desirable. And if Wifi calling is important to you only the T-mobile model will support it out of the box.
As For the S-Off that all depends on how you use the phone. I don't recommend everyone get s-off. But at some point if you need to return the phone to Stock for warranty proposes S-Off will be necessary.
S-Off is only done to a Device One time, their is no need to ever turn it back to s-on
S-Off allows you to change your CID / MID and firmware that you can't normally use / Do
This allows you to say convert your AT&T phone into a GPe or a Developer Edition and receive OTA updates the same as they do. I hope this clears some things up for you.

I will probly s-off anyway. I just thought there was another way to do it.
@clsA thanks for the clarification. So to make sure I got this right...
I only need s-off if I plan on converting the phone to developer or such. without s-off I will still be able to root, install custom recovery such s philz, or twrp correct?
Aswell as any custom rom.

TireIron431 said:
I will probly s-off anyway. I just thought there was another way to do it.
@clsA thanks for the clarification. So to make sure I got this right...
I only need s-off if I plan on converting the phone to developer or such. without s-off I will still be able to root, install custom recovery such s philz, or twrp correct?
Aswell as any custom rom.
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Yes, you can still use Sunshine to unlock and s-off if that's what you choose. but not needed to just flash roms

TireIron431 said:
I will probly s-off anyway. I just thought there was another way to do it.
@clsA thanks for the clarification. So to make sure I got this right...
I only need s-off if I plan on converting the phone to developer or such. without s-off I will still be able to root, install custom recovery such s philz, or twrp correct?
Aswell as any custom rom.
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You will also be able to flash the newest versions of firmware way before your carrier updates, and therefore run the newest versions of ROMs without worrying a out not getting wifi and connection issues.

Awesome thanks for the assist guys.
another question. I was looking at the E8, and noticed they are very similar except the E8 has a way better camera. Would I be able to use it, or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Also I like the look and feel of the gun grey m8, could I buy an m8 body casing and just switch it out? or is it to much trouble and not worth my time?

I'd get the AT&T branded M8 as it has more bands and should support T-Mobile LTE in your area (atleast mine does).
The extra bands may be beneficial if you switch carriers down the road.

Will I be able to use wifi calling with the ATT version?

TireIron431 said:
Will I be able to use wifi calling with the ATT version?
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No its only on the t-mobile software

LG G4 (Question, Help, & Money)

This may be kinda long but please read, I really need some actual help. I can offer a little amount of cash (Paypal) for someone to really help me to get what I want and need.
A few days ago I upgraded from a dumb flip phone that I've used for years. So the logical choice would be the new LG G4, the best phone out there as of now. So I've had it for a few days and I've noticed a few things that are really annoying me, but I'd like to focus on my main issue.
The main issue I've had is, bloatware. Now I am a computer person that if I buy a new PC / laptop, etc. I don't even use it until I reinstall Windows. I HATE bloatware more than anything, and I knew that the phone would have some bloatware that I figured I could uninstall and such. I know nothing about phones so I've been reading up and I came across the Debloater program that disables apps, which is nice but not what I want. What I want is 100% no bloat, I want the OS and drivers for the phone on the main features such as Camera, Messener+, Keyboard, etc. I don't want any extra space or ram or even the battery being used by anything besides my
regular apps.
I've tried task managers and such but even having them auto kill apps it seems that it eats my battery just as much if not worse.
I found out about rooting and ROMs in my research and from what I can tell. I need to install a custom ROM, and I believe the one that will give me what I want is CyanogenMod? I'm told its the Android OS and NOTHING more. This is what I want, but I wanna be able to still install Android updates from my phone and not having to reinstall the new version of the ROM, so I'm not sure how updating works.
I'm not sure if my phone needs to be unlocked and / or rooted to install a custom ROM? If I need to be I need someone to help me through these also.
So is there anyway that someone could lead me step by step in installing CyanogenMod? I've saw some tutorials and such but since the G4 is new everything I find on it seems kinda sketchy or really confusing, so if anyone is willing to help me on FB Chat, Team Viewer, Steam, any other messenger, PLEASE PM me ASAP. I rather not try and follow a tutorial on something this pricy, I can't buy another phone. And they never work for me it seems. Plus live person to ask questions to is something I'll need.
NOTE: I have the VS98611a model of the G4, and I have Verison right now, but I'm going to switch to Cricket since Verison removed my features like FM Radio, Themes, etc. Not way to get those back?

To do what you're asking is to require a unlocked bootloader. You're on the verizon model, and it currently doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. You'd need the h815 or the T-Mobile (I believe) models as they have unlocked bootloaders right now.
I believe cyanogen is on their final 5.1 build. As in no more updates or nightly revisions for stability. Unless I'm mistaken.
I haven't heard of an aosp Rom direct from Google being offered on anything aside from the nexus line, but I could be mistaken.
Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk

megamanfre said:
To do what you're asking is to require a unlocked bootloader. You're on the verizon model, and it currently doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. You'd need the h815 or the T-Mobile (I believe) models as they have unlocked bootloaders right now.
I believe cyanogen is on their final 5.1 build. As in no more updates or nightly revisions for stability. Unless I'm mistaken.
I haven't heard of an aosp Rom direct from Google being offered on anything aside from the nexus line, but I could be mistaken.
Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk
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I'm ready to leave Verizon now so when I leave them it will be unlocked. So then that will take care of that, right? I really wanna get this done...
Either way there is a way to unlock them without having that model, yes? I've heard of people unlocking phones for years.
Anyway to check if mine is unlocked?

Your boot loader is locked. You can root the phone and remove most bloat. That is all you can do at this time.
There is no way to unlock the boot loader on your model.
Until a workaround is found, you have no other options. Enjoy the phone as is. It's a great phone

tdevaughn said:
Your boot loader is locked. You can root the phone and remove most bloat. That is all you can do at this time.
There is no way to unlock the boot loader on your model.
Until a workaround is found, you have no other options. Enjoy the phone as is. It's a great phone
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I'm sure Verizon will do it for me when I leave them or I can't use it for any other carrier. I could return it and buy the unlocked version. But is it really worth it?
Whats the difference between the models and which is better anyways? I think I'm going to buy the unlocked version from offline.

Broth3rz said:
I'm sure Verizon will do it for me when I leave them or I can't use it for any other carrier. I could return it and buy the unlocked version. But is it really worth it?
Whats the difference between the models and which is better anyways? I think I'm going to buy the unlocked version from offline.
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How do I check if its unlocked? Because I was just told that it IS INFACT unlocked. HOW DO I CHECK? Thanks.

Verizon will not care at all. They will not unlock the bootloader.
Carrier unlock is completely different.
The 815 Euro model only can be unlocked from LG. T mobile does not lock their bootloaders

tdevaughn said:
Verizon will not care at all. They will not unlock the bootloader.
Carrier unlock is completely different.
The 815 Euro model only can be unlocked from LG. T mobile does not lock their bootloaders
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How do I get my disabled features back? The FM Radio, Themes, etc. Guess Verizon got rid of them. If I leave Verison will I get them back? Or since it's a Verison phone... I don't get them?

Basically it's a Verizon phone. You don't get them.

What are all the G4 models and their carrier?
Which models are unlocked?
Which models come with ALL features?Clearly the VS986 Verizon doesn't.
The H815 is the International version?? I hear its a bloat free version and its unlocked? Does it work with carriers in the US? Cricket, Verizon, Sprint?
I don't know what to do, so many models, no one has any information.

Broth3rz said:
What are all the G4 models and their carrier?
Which models are unlocked?
Which models come with ALL features?Clearly the VS986 Verizon doesn't.
The H815 is the International version?? I hear its a bloat free version and its unlocked? Does it work with carriers in the US? Cricket, Verizon, Sprint?
I don't know what to do, so many models, no one has any information.
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The International H815 can be unlocked and will work on GSM carriers such as ATT or T-mobile only. Basically, if your carrier uses a SIM card, it should work.

tabp0le said:
The International H815 can be unlocked and will work on GSM carriers such as ATT or T-mobile only. Basically, if your carrier uses a SIM card, it should work.
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I want all my features, no bloat, unlocked, and works with Verizon and Cricket.
Which do I need to get for this?
You can change the Network mode on the Phone, from Global, to LTE/CDMA to LTE/GSM/UMTS, so as long as the H815 has those same options, you should be able to use it with ANY carrier, Cricket, Verizon, ATT, etc. Right? Just tell me what model I need to get what my first line asks.

H815 does not work at all with CDMA, (aka Verizon/Cricket/Sprint/Boost) You're best bet is going to be rooting your phone or waiting for a bootloader unlock. (bootloader unlock might or might not ever happen) Rooting your phone will allow you to remove most of the bloatware.

Honestly, you're freaking out over nothing.
Disable any apps you don't want to see, and they'll go away forever. At this point in time, bloat is only a concern for power users who want to fine tune their phones, as a first time smart phone user you should focus only on the great new features your phone will have.

chrisrozon said:
Honestly, you're freaking out over nothing.
Disable any apps you don't want to see, and they'll go away forever. At this point in time, bloat is only a concern for power users who want to fine tune their phones, as a first time smart phone user you should focus only on the great new features your phone will have.
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1. Verizon got rid of some of my features I'd like to use. I won't EVER be able to get this back since it's a Verizon phone.
2. I need to move to Cricket since Verizon did the above and cost more.
I'm told I can switch, but I won't know until I cancel and go to Cricket. So I wanna know what version to get and go straight to Cricket.
Just because it's my first phone doesn't mean anything. I fine tune my PC like crazy and it runs amazing. I've turned everything off on this phone and yet it's down 11% not being used while I slept. That's bad.
Seems like the G4 sucks a little because only 1 is unlocked?

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H815 does not work at all with CDMA, (aka Verizon/Sprint/Boost)
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Cricket is NOT CDMA anymore. Hasn't been for almost a year since AT&T bought them and converted to GSM.
OP, get the H815. It will work on cricket bands and the bootloader is unlocked. It's exactly what I will be doing soon since I'm officially sick of Samsung (Sammy fangirl here, or used to be) and them turning their phones into crapple. I have cricket service as well. Good luck.

pre4speed said:
Cricket is NOT CDMA anymore. Hasn't been for almost a year since AT&T bought them and converted to GSM.
OP, get the H815. It will work on cricket bands and the bootloader is unlocked. It's exactly what I will be doing soon since I'm officially sick of Samsung (Sammy fangirl here, or used to be) and them turning their phones into crapple. I have cricket service as well. Good luck.
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Thanks for the reply. I made a new thread since I"m focused solely on the H815. There are many versions of it though. I will be buying it Monday I hope.

Broth3rz said:
Thanks for the reply. I made a new thread since I"m focused solely on the H815. There are many versions of it though. I will be buying it Monday I hope.
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I'd be interested in what you wind up with. What do you mean many variants? If I pick one up, I want to make sure I get the correct one (sim unlocked as well as manufacturer unlockable bootloader) that is compatible with cricket. TIA.

Question about development for the Pixel

So I've been with Verizon forever so I'm familiar with locked down phones. I've had the Droid X, GS3, GS4, and the GS5. All of the devices had a huge development community. The S5 especially always had plenty of ROMs even before the bootloader was unlocked.
I'm curious what people think will come of Pixel development? I know the phone is somewhat new and there is issues with TWRP because of the partitions but I just figured there would be more happening with this phone already. Don't get me wrong I appreciate everything devs do and I know they often do it all for free I'm just debating if its worth keeping this phone or not. I've only activated it a few times and used it around my house but I am very disappointed with the battery level.
Also with the new update dePixel8 has been patched so that means there are very few people with Verizon pixels who have unlocked bootloaders. Guessing this is also going to have a huge impact on the dev community for this phone. Seeing as how expensive the phone is outright from Google (With the best buy deal I basically got the Pixel for $140. $240 total but I also got a $100 best buy gift card). I'm still on Verizon's unlimited plan but it's so tempting to go to another carrier for the simple fact that I can most likey easily unlock bootloaders and root my phones.

It takes time for Devs to get their Phones to start to develop Custom ROMs.
It will pick up soon I'm sure.
Patience is a virtue ?. (I know I want to get me some DU on here asap!)

aholeinthewor1d said:
So I've been with Verizon forever so I'm familiar with locked down phones. I've had the Droid X, GS3, GS4, and the GS5. All of the devices had a huge development community. The S5 especially always had plenty of ROMs even before the bootloader was unlocked.
I'm curious what people think will come of Pixel development? I know the phone is somewhat new and there is issues with TWRP because of the partitions but I just figured there would be more happening with this phone already. Don't get me wrong I appreciate everything devs do and I know they often do it all for free I'm just debating if its worth keeping this phone or not. I've only activated it a few times and used it around my house but I am very disappointed with the battery level.
Also with the new update dePixel8 has been patched so that means there are very few people with Verizon pixels who have unlocked bootloaders. Guessing this is also going to have a huge impact on the dev community for this phone. Seeing as how expensive the phone is outright from Google (With the best buy deal I basically got the Pixel for $140. $240 total but I also got a $100 best buy gift card). I'm still on Verizon's unlimited plan but it's so tempting to go to another carrier for the simple fact that I can most likey easily unlock bootloaders and root my phones.
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We're basically waiting on twrp to be stable. Once that occurs I bet you'll see more roms.

POLL: Which first, LG release North America G7 bootloader unlock code or Pie update?

Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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Its LG something will happen only if they decide it

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.

doubledragon5 said:
They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.
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I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
Currently supported devices which can be unlocked:
https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev

mr3p said:
I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
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https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev
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That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...

doubledragon5 said:
That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...
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Agree totally.

Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x

DeeBG said:
Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x
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I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...

doubledragon5 said:
I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...
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Yeah, the reviews make it look like my ideal phone; I hope Google keeps making a midtier phone like the 3a as they release new lines. 3a/3a XL even reintroduced a standard headphone jack

Question Smokin deal but...

So I can get the Pixel 6 Pro for $8 per MO for 3 years if I trade in my OP 8t+ with AT&T. What are the chances of being able to root? If not, is it really worth it? Tell it like it is please.

guessing you didnt read a single thread here. it had root and aosp rom day 1

Izy said:
guessing you didnt read a single thread here. it had root and aosp rom day 1
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Apparently not enuff. Lol. I saw Root on the non carrier version but assumed that Carrier skinned phones were impossible to unlock boot loader. I guess I've spent too many years on Samsung bloat to know any better.

bbiigg said:
Apparently not enuff. Lol. I saw Root on the non carrier version but assumed that Carrier skinned phones were impossible to unlock boot loader. I guess I've spent too many years on Samsung bloat to know any better.
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It depends on your carrier, whether he allows an unlocked bootloader.

Looks like OP is on AT&T. P6P has its own quirks but aren't you happy with OP8T?

Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, butt if memory serves me correctly, at least a couple with the AT&T variant were able to root by using the same "trick"as those with T-Mobile variants, which was to contact customer support, tell them you're going out of the country and wanted to be able to SIM-unlock so they could use the phone outside the US. Once those variants were SIM unlocked, they were able to enable OEM unlocking and unlock the bootloader (and root).
There are several threads in this section about the subject but I believe T-Mobile customers have been the most outspoken, so you might have to dig to find the folks who specially l specifically did it with AT&T variants, not to be confused with the folks who are using the factory unlocked variant on AT&T.