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Turns out the 16 Core GPU Is bad

Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack

The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791

It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.

tauio111 said:
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad

Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.

If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?

warea said:
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...

Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.

Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.

warea said:
Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that

Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not

Traace said:
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/

Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.

Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.

4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/

warea said:
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.

P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.

Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???

This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.

SD821 Underclocked in pixel devices

The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down

From what I have read the 821 is a 820. The 821 is just higher binned 820. When they make chips they are not all the same. Some just are a little more efficient than others do to very minor differences in the chips. So a high binned 820 can handle a higher clock speed while using less power are turned into 821.
So Google decided they wanted to go with the 821 because it is more power efficient than a 820. But it seems Google thinks the speed of the 820 is fast enough to provide a good snappy user experience. So they are doubling down on efficiency by clocking these high binned chips down to the same as the 820. So say the 821 is 5% more efficient at stock speed over the 820. The 821 might be 10% more efficient at the same clock speed at the 820 while delivering the same speed as the 820. So they are sort of doubling down on efficiency over performance.
From the hands on I have seen everyone has described the phone as very fast. This is likely due to Google optimizing Android to run on the pixels hardware. Much like Apple does with the iPhone. Also the Pixel has some hardware features that might not show up on a regular spec sheet. It has some improved touch screen latency and faster storage. Because of these factors Google decided they don't need the extra performance of the 821 but instead want to utilize it's efficiency.
TLDR Google is going all in on the Pixel proving a very fast user experience while being power efficient!

So in theory once kernel source has been released we can just OC it back to "stock" frequency and get even faster performance with a hit to battery life.

I have the OP3 and the phone is clocking to max. frequency very rarely anyway. So there is no reason to clock it down for better efficiency.

So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$

ramqashou said:
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.

ramqashou said:
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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In the current climate and with the 810 fiasco overshadowing can you really blame them for dialing it down? Perhaps the GPU is still clocked higher in the 821 and I'll take the efficiency as a perk. It's up to you what's worth $200 more but there are a few more bits less talked about included in the price.
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mixedguy said:
The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.

Hoodeddeathman said:
I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.

mixedguy said:
I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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As I understand it android has the capability and it's up to the devs to implement. The game can be rendered at whatever resolution and will then be upscaled. for example Warhammer Freeblade allows you to select which resolution to use and texture qualities just as you would in most PC games at the risk of losing frames however Need For Speed No Limits selects a pre-defined profile depending on device.

As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.

Gerrit507 said:
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
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When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.
As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.

http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php
This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820

It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.

firewave said:
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.

This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.

The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.
The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.
"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."
"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."

ramqashou said:
For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.

That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
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JasonJoel said:
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full click speeds without throttling...
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The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.
Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.

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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
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That's true i can't
Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS

Lenovo Vibe K5 Plus seemingly slow on most games?

Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.

When it comes to in-game performance, a processor isn't everything there is. If your friend has a 720p screen, that's what's causing most of the performance boosts. Rendering at 1080p is a taxing task, and will take a lot of processing power from both the set of processors and the GPU. Another factor to take into account is the amount of RAM available for a game's process.
In my opinion, if you're looking for performance, you shouldn't be using a MIUI ROM to begin with. Switch to AOSP-based or LineageOS-based ROMs, and try experimenting with custom kernels. There's always a possibility of your phone having a manufacturing defect or simply being fake, but that is extremely unlikely.

He has a bigger screen than me, I have 3GB ram and he only has 1.5
I have tried different roms but they still give the same result.
It's possible that My device might be rendering at 1080p while his is at 480p or 720p even though he has a bigger screen.
If so, then how can I change my screen to 720p?

I'm hesitating about changing to Nougat since benchmarks show that Marshmallow still performs better

Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?

TriMelonPie said:
Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?
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hey bro, Is it real that you got a cloudfone thrill plus 16GB phone? I actually rooted my just a few days ago, can you give me some links on where to find some good rom? and why is it that we are not having our own thread? we are actually sharing to lenovo sections here. thanks in advance.

TriMelonPie said:
Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.
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This is one more post that confirms that benchmark scores doesn't mean s**t in real life. Don't trust benchmarks, on all phones I had roms with lowest scores gave the best performance.

Snapdragon 855 vs Exynos 9820 Benchmarks

There is a lot of debate over the performance between these 2 versions. So put 'em up. Any test or source you feel is relevant to your stance. I'll supply my 855 scores for a few. Please keep it friendly.

My OP didn't post the screenshots correctly.

Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.

Ace42 said:
Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.
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Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.

Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.

I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.
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I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.

This mine with exynos View attachment 4723816
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CPU, Compute, GFX Bench (Exynos)
I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones too

Corv0 said:
CPU, Compute, GFX Bench
I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones
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@sireniankyle Run this in Chrome and show me what you get, I'm curious about 3D Web performance that doesn't rely on third party apps or their optimizations.

twelvematic said:
Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.
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I hope that's what you needed.

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I hope that's what you needed.
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/

twelvematic said:
Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Sorry. I wish everyone got the right variant for them the first time.

sireniankyle said:
Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.
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Yes, the 9820 is larger than the SD855 and 9810. When it comes to games it's hard to gauge the Adreno, since PUBG already runs at 60FPS on the 835, or with HDR on. That means it'll be a while before the 845 starts to choke.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14069/chiprebel-releases-exynos-9820-die-shot

twelvematic said:
Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Nah mate you're going too far in misunderstanding about this whole tech.
ISOCELL is also not a brand but a technology name for sensor produced by Samsung, Sony's counterpart is still using barely improved version of BSI, an older technology.
In theory, ISOCELL is superior to pretty much everything else, the only way for it to lose is to have inferior processing, the Pixel 3 makes good use of its IMX363 even if it technically has an older system.
Regarding ISOCELL vs BSI on the same device and same software processing will always come with better result through the ISOCELL. DXomark's review of the S10 used the International version with a 4.32mm ISOCELL, and it is the first in its class.
Also, the IMX sensor in @sireniankyle's screenshot is the selfie front facing camera, you can see the other rear facing camera being an ISOCELL (ultra-wide 1.80mm) as well.
I have attached my Exynos AIDA sensor screens and one of DXOmark's benchmarking sample with the sensor data recorded.

To keep it separated from my previous post:
@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.

sireniankyle said:
I hope that's what you needed.
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Not sony. Screenshot on exynos

GPU Performance
Corv0 said:
To keep it separated from my previous post:
@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.
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GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.

twelvematic said:
GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.
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Geekbench GPU comparison

twelvematic said:
Geekbench GPU comparison
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Renderscript is very unrelated to 3D performance, and it's also extremely dependant on kernel optimisation.
Why don't you run GFXbench on the Note? You will see what I'm talking about.
Samsung should improve their kernel optimisation game, the silicon is great, they're just lazy, at least my battery is insanely good and no Snapdragon is minimally getting close. That alone is worth more than any loss in benchmarks.

I had both S10+ Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855 for a night before selling the Exynos model. Here are some tests which you can access from my google drive folder.
Tests:
- Speedtest
- Antutu
- AiTutu (AI performance using NPU)
- Geekbench
- 3DMark
- Aida64 (specs)
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1givIr8Vvzp2TqTUjxVYbEeIKNX_WNv51

General [CLOSED] Warning! Don't buy the Rog Phone 6D Ultimate (dimensity 9000+)

Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.

Dont forget Media <Moderator Edit> being closed source and no one in this community will ever fix their bugfest.

nadejo said:
Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.
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Sometimes I wonder why people write so much <Moderator Edit> these days and post sources that literally go against what they say.
The snapdragon 8+ 1 clearly lost to the dimensity. Almost everything was equal except for 2 things which dimensity won, not by a little, but by quite a large margin.
1.) Camera performance was significanly better, the detail was much better on the dimensity and even the dynamic range was also notably better, this comes to no real surprise since the ISP on the mediatek is roughly 3x as fast as the one found in the qualcom variant.
2.) On Gaming performance the dimensity won by quite a large margin, as stated by your own source, there are some heavy drops on qualcomm based phones, which really isnt anything new, this doesnt exist on the dimensity, it delivers way more fluid and reliable gaming experience, this is also the reason why we see more and more devices starting to use the new mediatek chips.
The real reason why they want to switch to mediatek seems to me that they are sick and tired of their power IC's and SOC's from qualcom blowing up or causing other type of issues. Many who own the Rog2,Rog5, Rog5s and soon QC Rog6 users know exacly what I'm talking about.
@Einheit-101
Neither is qualcomm. While they do have some things that are open source, their most important and interesting things are closed source. The only reason the things we have from QC are open source is because QC has to adhere to certain laws since they are based in the US, which forces them to open source their GPL based stuff, anything that isnt, you aint gettin anything. As far as I'm concerned, both have the same <Moderator Edit> attitude, QC however does market it as "they choose to open source" their things, trying to market themselves at the "good guys", much like apple and microsoft do despite their clearly anti consumer stance.
Regardless if youre an QC <Moderator Edit> or a mediatek <Moderator Edit>, ordering a Rog6 is completely <Moderator Edit> to begin with. Nobody should preorder a Rog6, period, we all know the Rog6S will likely be pushed out in a couple of months with a far superior gen2 / whatever <Moderator Edit> mediatek will push out and you have spent big bucks on an already outdated phone.

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i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.

nadejo said:
i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.
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I prefer facts <Moderator Edit>.
You have yet to prove your <Moderator Edit> claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.

Danishblunt said:
I prefer facts over nonsense.
You have yet to prove your made up claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.
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The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.

nadejo said:
The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.
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I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
surprisingly, there is a few big fluctuations in 12S pro (qualcomm), it is higher peak but with few big drops but the performance of the xiaomi 12 pro dimensity is much more stable
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The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.

Danishblunt said:
I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.
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No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.

nadejo said:
No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.
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I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>

Danishblunt said:
I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>
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this screenshot shows all the facts. Now you can call this "not reliable" but that's all we can see right now. And this isn't just a benchmark screenshot, it's the reality. Same phone, different chips. There you see the truth.

What's that lift-up grey flap for on the 6D Ultimate (instead of "Dare to play" light)?
Some extra connectivity port/ a difference in hardware compared to ROG phone 6 Pro?

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@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask

Danishblunt said:
Why don't you just admit defeat? You clearly contradicted yourself, made baseless claims and cannot source any of your claims. You're making a giant fool out of yourself.
@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask
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The fact that Xiaomi is selling the same device with dimensity 9000+ 100$ cheaper and the fact that it scores 100k less on AnTuTu compared to the snapdragon version is enough source for evidence to me that the snapdragon rog phone 6 is the better choice. <Moderator Edit>

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i bet my but that antutu of the rog phone 6d is fake. I've seen that already. As long i don't see it on YouTube i won't believe any Screenshots

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I need my android apps without a notch or a punchhole, with the highest possible refreshrate, with a headphone jack, with a good translated os & the most compatible soc. Rog 6 pro comes with all of that. I even produce music on my android and just did 1200€ with a HipHop beat on Spotify. (fl mobile) I'm a different breed. computers won't cut it for me. I'm on the next lvl. I produce on oc too. but the workflow on Android is crazy fast. got already 100 beats running on all stores bro.

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