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Moving to the SGS II

Well just got upgraded to the SGS II.
Curious if there is anything i should know about the device. I know its beautiful.. and i herd about screen issues but i was holding one and could see anything wrong with the screen...
So Pros, Cons, Quirks, anything you wish you knew off hand?

Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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freakyliciousfishy said:
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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not entirely true about voice talk actions. the Samsung one may have been taking out since it sucks anyways. stock android voice commands work better IMO.

I recently switched from the sensation to the Galaxy S2 and im 1000% glad i did, samsung did a amazing job on this device. And TouchWiz is pretty cool and not laggy and slow as sense.
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.

Thanks for the replies. I am excited about this phone. Sucks that it is on back order and will be another week or more till it even ships .

immunityx said:
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.

brian_v3ntura said:
also the actual processor and gpu sucks. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2

tigerz0202 said:
theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3

brian_v3ntura said:
also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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The processor doesn't suck. It has better browser performance according to anandtech. The problem is that samsung has hardware acceleration for the stock rom on their other variants and not this one. The miui phone apparently blows most phones out of the water with its processor which is the same as this phone. Tons of optimization. All the same games run on both processors without hiccups. Also 42mbs is not the speed it can theoretically go up to that speed.
Realistic speeds are more along the lines 20 down and whatever uplpoad. I seen some people even get 26 down which is basically advertised lte speeds from Verizon. Also when you put both phones on gingerbread lets say cyanogen mod since its optimized you won't see a difference. You only see it on a stock touchwiz rom i doubt you'll see a difference when your on ice cream sandwich as well.

brian_v3ntura said:
nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine

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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.

Killbynature said:
I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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i dont get it either, and as far as benchmarks even though they really dont matter my scores on the phone stock not rooted out of the box were 200 points better than any review on any website had the other variants at with the exynos.Gotta watch which article you read because it hard to find them that are un-biased .Naturally if they are reviewing a phone for a carrier its gonna be biased towards it. Only way of really reviewing a phone is hands on so you can do it yourself. Some people just care wayyy too much about stuff that dont matter.....i love this phone

tigerz0202 said:
well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
Killbynature said:
I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
In return for this boost in possible data rates, some things are lost with the change over to Snapdragon. Perhaps the most important difference between the Exynos and Snapdragon is the graphics performance. As is the case with all SoCs, these chips have dedicated GPUs. The Qualcomm chip in the T-Mobile Galaxy S runs an Adreno 220, which is a fine component. Exynos, on the other hand, far surpasses it in graphical prowess.
The Exynos is the first mainstream SoC to license and use the ARM Mali-400 GPU. This is a quad-core graphics processor that bests all the other chips in GPU performance. So by going with a Snapdragon, even one clocked up to 1.5GHz, T-Mobile is sacrificing a significant amount of performance.
Straight processing power is also greater on the Exynos chip, but the gap is smaller than for the GPU. Qualcomm still uses its Scorpion core — a core developed to match the Cortex-A8, but Exynos is Cortex-A9. Snapdragon isn’t completely left in the dust because it’s still a solid custom architecture, but a 1.2GHz Exynos will still crunch more bits than a 1.5GHz Snapdragon.
The Snapdragon will offer users one additional benefit in the form of better battery life. The Qualcomm-designed Scorpion to be capable of asynchronous operation, making it possible for an unneeded core to be clocked down independently. This is much better for standby time and low-impact tasks.
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http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/96267-how-samsungs-chip-change-up-affects-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s2
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.

brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got

brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.

by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that

brian_v3ntura said:
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".

tigerz0202 said:
well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
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there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
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by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
Bimboy said:
You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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sucks in the sense of old hardware.

All in all. It's your opinion and your view of what fits your needs right? It's not being constructive to give criticism when it only is one sided. I can tell you value the best and fastest in technology. there are ways to express it than to bring everyone down. I could care less about gpu or the type of processor because I have an actual laptop for that. I am happy with the speed and response of this phone. So to downplay things you think are wrong with this phone with cliffnotes and technical theories then you really aren't being constructive.
brian_v3ntura said:
i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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brian_v3ntura said:
i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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I played dungeon defenders I'm rooted it doesn't slow down or anything. I don't see your point. BladeSlinger is for all android devices.... Not to mention ShadowGun looks exactly like it in quality and i can play that on my device as well smoothly. Bladeslinger also pauses in the middle of gameplay to do a special move. Shadowgun enemies are always shooting at you.
Chainfire prove before that all you need is simple plugins to run the tega2 only games or qualcomm only games on any device. What makes you think it will be so different in the future. No one will be using the same exynos next year majority of ppl will sell of the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s3. It will be the same with the Qualcomm processor for the new krait or the new tegra3 processor. I can play dungeon defenders on mytouch 4g with its single core processor on miui. So what?

[Q] Is exynos worth buying?

The snapdragon version isn't available in my country, so I will have to buy the exynos (Pretty cheap right now $500 equivalent). The thing is reviews say the snapdragon doesn't lag a bit while exynos is made for a large device.
Is the performance really this bad? I'm not into eons right now by the way.

No its not worth buying the snapdragon version. My s4 is faster than my note...
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...

Do you have any benchmarks to prove your claim of a speed bump of 50 %?
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There are a lot of threads about Exynos vs snapdragon, long story short
Exynos , tad better cpu
Snapdragon tad better gpu
I've had both, ended with exynos , because I didn't need 4g, but needed 32 GB ( in scandinavia 4 G seems to be 16 gb only)
Lag was more or less the same
I felt the battery time on the exynos was a tad better
They felt equally as snappy when they needed to
BUT!!!
App support was a tad better on Snapdragon, ie more apps in the plastore worked with the snapdragon version, a few more games etc... no big deal for me, but still get me ticked of when I noticed a few apps I bought weren't compatible ( yet?!) with the new exynos chip ( but worked with my sammy S3 also exynos chip, older )

Exynos is fine. I've played with both and from a UI and app use perspective you can't tell the difference. Adreno's a bit faster than Mali but no so much as to drastically alter performance. Some games are better optimized for Adreno so depending on your choice of games it could make a difference. As for app compatibility it's more likely the 2,560x1,600 display that's causing the issue not the specific SoC. If there were huge differences between Exynos and S-800 or drastic app performance differences and app compatibility issues it would be all over the N3 forum and it's not.

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HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").

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Look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note
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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4 at 441 PPI and N3 at 386 PPI.
http://www.nairaland.com/1597298/samsung-budget-galaxy-note-neo
S-800 vs. Exynos on the N3...

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Not really. It also has a 267 PPI display which is benefitting its graphics scores in AnTuTu compared to the SGS4
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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)

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I was more properly referring to CPU scores which are the only ones benefitted from HMP.
I ran a quick AnTuTu (cpu) test to my Exynos 5420 equipped note and here are the results: http://i.imgur.com/zD32DZQ.png
Notice how remarkably similar they are to note neo's cpu score:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/01/sgn3n-leak/gsmarena_006.jpg&idNews=7538
Note that note neo has only two large cores which are clocked lower by 10% compared to exynos 5420 and it still posts almost the same score merely by employing the help of the small cores. Now add two large cores more and you'd get 50% more performance, it's simple math really...
Now I'm not saying that it would be a performance that we would actually see in most occasions , it would either be throttled or -even- not supported by most apps but still it's potentially there (which was my point by saying "up to").
What will *definitely* be there if HMP is to be enabled is better battery -though- as it would make more efficient use of the small cores. Since exynos 5422 is also on 28nm yet has HMP enabled leads me to believe that we lack HMP for strategic reasons (so that samsung will sell more exynos 5422 / qualcomm equipped machines)
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You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
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BarryH_GEG said:
You can't divorce the impact of display area size and PPI from CPU performance. The GPU doesn't absolve the CPU's role in graphics output. An i3 PC with a killer graphics card will perform worse graphically than an i7 PC with a lesser card because most computational (not rendering, texture mapping, vectoring, and decoding) work is still done on the CPU. So I have no idea what AnTuTu's testing to come up with a CPU rating in isolation but if it's a real-time performance test the CPU's role in graphics output is impacting it. So comparing the Neo with a 5.5" display and 267 PPI against the N10.1-14 with a 10.1" display and 299 PPI isn't going to get you a relevant CPU comparison. That's why I used the N3 and SGS4 as comparisons because only the PPI is off. And the Neo would be well behind the SGS4 in the cumulative AnTuTu test if it had the same PPI because the lower workload of the lower PPI is artificially enhancing its score. At the end of the day an isolated CPU number is pretty meaningless. It's like bench horsepower in a car vs. horsepower to the wheels. A higher bench rating means nothing because none of us drive an engine, we drive a car. The total AnTuTu number (AKA: drive train loss) is more relevant even though it doesn't support the point you're trying to make about HMP.
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Maybe so, but the benchmark in question runs off screen. So while in real life resolution matter in Antutu Cpu score, or super pi , or, or, it doesn't. HMP will make the Cpu 50% faster in multi threaded operations, I never claimed it makes the total machine faster by the same amount. For example an HMP equipped note 2014 will score around 40000 in Antutu , NOT 49500. I don't see where we disagree, I merely think you misunderstood my initial claim

If you live for real world use, the Exynos Note is a wonderful tablet. If you live in the world of needing the highest quadrant and antutu scores you should pass.
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With HMP enabled there is no comparison between the two, exynos is up to 50% faster and potentially more efficient. With HMP disabled (as things currently are) then qualcomm is the slightly better chip, but I'm not convinced that the difference is enough to prefer one soc over the other...
In short Exynos 5420 is artificially neutered to seem worse than qualcomm, yet -even so- going either way won't make much of a difference...
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How did you enable HMP? My note 3 snap dragon is so much faster than my note.
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Stevethegreat said:
HMP for 8 cores have not yet released but look at Note 3 Neo, it uses 2 less large cores and it posts the same antutu score as our note, so by adding two more large cores you can expect the score to be about 50% more. As I said that is only true were all 8 cores would be used at the same time and they are not throttled (that is why I said "up to").
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It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.

dt33 said:
It will never be released for Exynos 5420 either, unless Samsung want alot of complains about fried Exynos 5420 chipsets. Also they already said it wont release HMP for Exynos 5420 cause of the heat.
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Once again, that's not the reason that they won't release it, if anything the chip would be cooler because more use of A7 cores would be possible and if all 8 cores are needed Samsung could choose to throttle the thing. The reason that they don't release it is the Exynos 5422 which is the same chip but with all 8 cores enabled (also 28nm)...
So no fried socs, lesser profits more like

Why octa-core?

The galaxy tab s products that are available to me have an octa-core processor, with the high speed cores being 1.9ghz. I can't really understand why Samsung chose to use that instead of a 2.3ghz quad-core like in the tab pro.

See Wikipedia for an explanation of the concept: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_...multi-processing_.28global_task_scheduling.29

Because the Exynos 5 Octa-core is the one processor that Samsung has to be able to compete with Snapdragon 800, and is cheaper to implement since it's their own processor. I don't buy the Octa-core hype, I'd be happier with the Snapdragon 800 honestly like on the Tab PRO 8.4.

The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800

ssuper2k said:
The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800
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And yet I am getting 35,300 on Antutu using Shaheers t800 rom which is higher than any other current tablet or phone. (Shaheer's rom should go out of beta today - don't flash until final has been posted).
The Tab Pro 8.4 Antutu is 32,806.

I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY

I can see the argument that you don't always need full power, thus the four slow cores, but since all cores can't run at once, it seems a cheat to have 1.9ghz as the top speed for the faster four cores. Since, or at least I assume, cores step up and down as needed, it seems to me a snapdragon 800 or higher at 2.3ghz or higher would have been just fine. I mean, if you are going to put in 3gb of RAM, then you should put in a great cpu also and not pretend less (1.9ghz) is a better contribution to what is supposed to be a premium tablet.

And yet I don't think samsung is doing enough to utilizing this hardware capability. In theory it should run at least 4x faster and 6x more effecient then the snap dragon and apple current A8 chip. It has failed to outshine the competitors because samsung software department sucks. Samsung hardware is still great though.

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I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY
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Blame the developer for not making it compatible. Tegra powered Htc one x is incompatible too so not sure that is exynos issue..

i wish my t805 had Full HD screen resolution :cyclops:

Funny. Was just browsing the web a bit on my i5 ultrabook and it occurred to me that the browser on my Tab S is actually faster. If gaming is your primary thing, I'd buy the Nvidia Shield, not the Tab S. This tablet is designed for eye candy media consumption (internet and video) not for gaming enthusiasts. Try running your PC video card at 2560 x 1600 on ultra and see what you get.

i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time

You cannot compare the clock speeds from two different processors. For instance, you can't compare the 1.9GHz quad-core of the Exynos to the 2.3GHz quad-core of the Snapdragon 800. This doesn't mean anything. If you compare the clock speed of two Snapdragon chips, that's ok, or if you compare the clock speed of two Exynos chips, then that's ok too. Comparing the clock speed of an Intel chip against the clock speed of an AMD chip, is the same as comparing the clock speed of an Exynos chip to the clock speed of a Snapdragon chip.
The Exynos chip in this tablet has been shown to compete very well/close with the Snapdragon on every level except GPU. The Mali GPU in this chip just doesn't match the Adreno GPU from the Snapdragon. However, the RAM is faster in the Exynos than the Snapdragon.
That said, I am a fan of the Snapdragon chip, of course. I was holding off to see if the LTE variant of this tablet would have the Snapdragon 800, but instead they shipped with an Intel LTE modem. Besides apps/games not being optimized for Exynos, I am fairly satisfied with my purchase. I'm just anxious to get CyanogenMod(or any other AOSP ROM installed on it).

fletch33 said:
i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time
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Could also mean increased battery consumption,don't know. Overall I am satisfied with this Tab including battery life.

There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html

pibach said:
There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html
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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?

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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?
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It's impossible.

AndreiLux said:
It's impossible.
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What and why?

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What and why?
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http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ta-can-use-eight-cores-simultaneously-267316/
I've found a few articles saying it should support it, then a couple Deva saying they had to goto the 5422 for a working implementation of HMP.
Here is a post from odroid
http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=5651

That's weird. The (newer) 5422 supports HMP but not 3gb RAM.

Exynos Variant to be tuned down?

Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results

iamnotkurtcobain said:
Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results
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After reading your post and the page you linked... I have absolutely no words. I already bought (pre-order) the S9+ SM-G965FD just because of the Exynos 9810. (Specially after looking at the CPU benchmarks that you are referring to) Every single year, the Exynos outperforms the Snapdragon... not by much... but it is ALWAYS better... Better performance, better battery live, runs cooler... etc. But... this particular year (with the S9/S9+), after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, online reports and benchmarks, it seemed like the Exynos was going to totally kill the Snapdragon variant. I really hate the Qualcomm Snapdragon with their locked bootloader, locked everything, mediocre CPU performance. I hate it as much as I hate Apple. So... I really really really hope that information does not apply to a real consumer S9/S9+ unit. As soon as I get my S9+, the very 1st thing I am going to do is run Antutu 7 and Geekbench 4.
So... as OP mentioned... we need some Samsung Exynos 9810 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 benchmarks... (real retail S9/S9+ unit)

@TEKHD
Absolutely.
The first thing I do when I get my S9 is running a Geekbench.
If single core is not ~3700 and multi core ~ 9000 I send it right back.
I know some say benchmarks are useless but this clearly shows if the new Exynos is a big step up or not. S7 and S8 almost had the same CPU/GPU power.
DON'T tune it down Samsung. Please..

I read the same thing, its going to deter people from getting the exynos and piss off people who buy it and find out later.
Samsung get more and more stupid as the years pass honestly

Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.

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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Not for my usage. As soon as we get root, BL unlock and some sources (obviously this will come first for Exynos than SD), there will be custom kernel and overclock/overvolt to help us enjoy the full performance of Exynos variant.
So going for SD845 is not a better choice, it just depends on your usage (do you plan to unlock BL ? root ? magisk ? custom kernel ?)

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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.

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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.
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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.

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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.
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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
The BL will never get unlocked however and as long as you dont mind an 80% limit on charging your device yes there is root.

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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.

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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.
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Got to have gaming performance! Least being on the go having something on the go is always nice, even better when it really rocks with fantastic performance.
Find it interesting so far we've seen geekbench scores of both, and we have decent details on the SD GPU but not much on the exynos one.

RaduNastase said:
Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.

Vordx said:
Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.
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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.

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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.
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Exynos isn't easy to develop. Doesn't mean the exynos isn't capable of it.

I this point performance doesn't matter too much. Only thing that takes advantage of performance is when you're processing video/images, in which case it's a couple seconds usually, Or gaming, Most mobile games are light, and the heavy ones would have a marginal difference in quality.
I'm new to rooting and stuff, but pretty sure people can undownclock it right?
Also quick question does nerfing exynos performance result in better battery life? And does exynos have same battery life as snapdragon when it isn't nerfed? In the anandtech article it was something about task scheduler and not down-clocking, so it may have the same battery life, in which case I guess you could bring it back to peak performance and then down-clock for better battery.
With locked boot-loaders I read something a while ago that it isn't qualcomms fault (Other phones with same thing are easier). I think Samsung does it but that doesn't make sense as they are the ones that make exynos. I personally am going to get the Exynos note 9.
Take everything I said with a grain of salt, I'm a noob at rooting (I haven't rooted a phone yet, was going to do my OP5 before it got stolen)

I find it odd that while the Exynos performs good at single task benchmark, the SD kills it in Photo editing and other benchmarks.
I doubt it's tuned down but just a few select benchmarks out there right now aren't showing the full picture between these two devices right now. Time will tell so it's a wait and see.
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I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed

ajaffarali said:
I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!

ajaffarali said:
I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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M.Noury said:
Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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It's true Project Treble is enabled on this phone
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RaduNastase said:
Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!
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Sorry- don't know anything about emulators. I've downloaded Retroach and Mame 2014 but how/where do I get the game you mentioned from?

Question Performance: Dimensity 9000 vs Snapdragon 8 Gen 1

Hey,
I am very interested if some of you could share their experience with the performance of either the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 or Dimensity 9000 version.
Especially I'm interested in regards of Camera Performance (I heared that Snapdragon Version has a slightly better one), Gaming/Power Usage and overheating/thermal throtting.
Unfortunately I could not find any usefull comparison so far, which makes me curious how your experience is.

kenajanek said:
Hey,
I am very interested if some of you could share their experience with the performance of either the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 or Dimensity 9000 version.
Especially I'm interested in regards of Camera Performance (I heared that Snapdragon Version has a slightly better one), Gaming/Power Usage and overheating/thermal throtting.
Unfortunately I could not find any usefull comparison so far, which makes me curious how your experience is.
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I just got mine here in Dubai and it has the Snapdragon ToS. which variants come with the dimensity ?

Not sure but -> Maybe the Dimensity variant does not have the large 20mm x 30mm² fingerprint sensor which would be too bad if true.

xchatter said:
Not sure but -> Maybe the Dimensity variant does not have the large 20mm x 30mm² fingerprint sensor which would be too bad if true.
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where is that information?

lemonade747 said:
where is that information?
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I am only guessing because Qualcomm has this technology "3D Sonic Max". There is no information that Mediatek has similar solution. At least I can't find such. If this is the case, then for me the Snapdragon version wins easily. This is my favourite feature in this phone.

xchatter said:
I am only guessing because Qualcomm has this technology "3D Sonic Max". There is no information that Mediatek has similar solution. At least I can't find such. If this is the case, then for me the Snapdragon version wins easily. This is my favourite feature in this phone.
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Sure, if that is the case then I guess most people will choose the SD version. No one wants to pay the same price for less features.

Full YT video available with a full comparison. Seem like Snapdragon takes a the lead in every department plus benchmarks are higher. Dimensity couldn't even complete stress test without shutting down if that's anything to go by

Totally false. My dimensity completes any stress test. Runs cooler than SD. Battery life is awesome (look at the power consumption difference between them, published online)

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Totally false. My dimensity completes any stress test. Runs cooler than SD. Battery life is awesome (look at the power consumption difference between them, published online)
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Thanks man. I watched a YT from this and his slated it.

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Totally false. My dimensity completes any stress test. Runs cooler than SD. Battery life is awesome (look at the power consumption difference between them, published online)
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DO you have the x80 Pro with dimensity? Does it have the lasge and fast fingerprint? The cameras get the same results as the Snapdragon?

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Thanks man. I watched a YT from this and his slated it.
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That's the snapdragon 8+ Gen 1, not the normal without the "+" so it's possible the results are slightly different on the X80 Pro (with the SD without "+")