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The galaxy tab s products that are available to me have an octa-core processor, with the high speed cores being 1.9ghz. I can't really understand why Samsung chose to use that instead of a 2.3ghz quad-core like in the tab pro.
See Wikipedia for an explanation of the concept: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_...multi-processing_.28global_task_scheduling.29
Because the Exynos 5 Octa-core is the one processor that Samsung has to be able to compete with Snapdragon 800, and is cheaper to implement since it's their own processor. I don't buy the Octa-core hype, I'd be happier with the Snapdragon 800 honestly like on the Tab PRO 8.4.
The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800
ssuper2k said:
The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800
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And yet I am getting 35,300 on Antutu using Shaheers t800 rom which is higher than any other current tablet or phone. (Shaheer's rom should go out of beta today - don't flash until final has been posted).
The Tab Pro 8.4 Antutu is 32,806.
I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY
I can see the argument that you don't always need full power, thus the four slow cores, but since all cores can't run at once, it seems a cheat to have 1.9ghz as the top speed for the faster four cores. Since, or at least I assume, cores step up and down as needed, it seems to me a snapdragon 800 or higher at 2.3ghz or higher would have been just fine. I mean, if you are going to put in 3gb of RAM, then you should put in a great cpu also and not pretend less (1.9ghz) is a better contribution to what is supposed to be a premium tablet.
And yet I don't think samsung is doing enough to utilizing this hardware capability. In theory it should run at least 4x faster and 6x more effecient then the snap dragon and apple current A8 chip. It has failed to outshine the competitors because samsung software department sucks. Samsung hardware is still great though.
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I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY
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Blame the developer for not making it compatible. Tegra powered Htc one x is incompatible too so not sure that is exynos issue..
i wish my t805 had Full HD screen resolution :cyclops:
Funny. Was just browsing the web a bit on my i5 ultrabook and it occurred to me that the browser on my Tab S is actually faster. If gaming is your primary thing, I'd buy the Nvidia Shield, not the Tab S. This tablet is designed for eye candy media consumption (internet and video) not for gaming enthusiasts. Try running your PC video card at 2560 x 1600 on ultra and see what you get.
i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time
You cannot compare the clock speeds from two different processors. For instance, you can't compare the 1.9GHz quad-core of the Exynos to the 2.3GHz quad-core of the Snapdragon 800. This doesn't mean anything. If you compare the clock speed of two Snapdragon chips, that's ok, or if you compare the clock speed of two Exynos chips, then that's ok too. Comparing the clock speed of an Intel chip against the clock speed of an AMD chip, is the same as comparing the clock speed of an Exynos chip to the clock speed of a Snapdragon chip.
The Exynos chip in this tablet has been shown to compete very well/close with the Snapdragon on every level except GPU. The Mali GPU in this chip just doesn't match the Adreno GPU from the Snapdragon. However, the RAM is faster in the Exynos than the Snapdragon.
That said, I am a fan of the Snapdragon chip, of course. I was holding off to see if the LTE variant of this tablet would have the Snapdragon 800, but instead they shipped with an Intel LTE modem. Besides apps/games not being optimized for Exynos, I am fairly satisfied with my purchase. I'm just anxious to get CyanogenMod(or any other AOSP ROM installed on it).
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i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time
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Could also mean increased battery consumption,don't know. Overall I am satisfied with this Tab including battery life.
There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html
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There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html
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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?
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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?
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It's impossible.
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It's impossible.
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What and why?
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What and why?
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http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ta-can-use-eight-cores-simultaneously-267316/
I've found a few articles saying it should support it, then a couple Deva saying they had to goto the 5422 for a working implementation of HMP.
Here is a post from odroid
http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=5651
That's weird. The (newer) 5422 supports HMP but not 3gb RAM.
Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results
iamnotkurtcobain said:
Many of you saw the Geekbench Scores of the S9 Exynos.
Scores are ~3700 in single core and ~9000 in multi core.
Now I saw this article and the line where it says the Exynos will be tuned down to match the (much slower) Snapdragon model got my attention...
Can someone who has a retail unit (store worker,..) confirm the high Geekbench scores?
Article:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12478/exynos-9810-handson-awkward-first-results
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After reading your post and the page you linked... I have absolutely no words. I already bought (pre-order) the S9+ SM-G965FD just because of the Exynos 9810. (Specially after looking at the CPU benchmarks that you are referring to) Every single year, the Exynos outperforms the Snapdragon... not by much... but it is ALWAYS better... Better performance, better battery live, runs cooler... etc. But... this particular year (with the S9/S9+), after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, online reports and benchmarks, it seemed like the Exynos was going to totally kill the Snapdragon variant. I really hate the Qualcomm Snapdragon with their locked bootloader, locked everything, mediocre CPU performance. I hate it as much as I hate Apple. So... I really really really hope that information does not apply to a real consumer S9/S9+ unit. As soon as I get my S9+, the very 1st thing I am going to do is run Antutu 7 and Geekbench 4.
So... as OP mentioned... we need some Samsung Exynos 9810 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 benchmarks... (real retail S9/S9+ unit)
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Absolutely.
The first thing I do when I get my S9 is running a Geekbench.
If single core is not ~3700 and multi core ~ 9000 I send it right back.
I know some say benchmarks are useless but this clearly shows if the new Exynos is a big step up or not. S7 and S8 almost had the same CPU/GPU power.
DON'T tune it down Samsung. Please..
I read the same thing, its going to deter people from getting the exynos and piss off people who buy it and find out later.
Samsung get more and more stupid as the years pass honestly
Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Not for my usage. As soon as we get root, BL unlock and some sources (obviously this will come first for Exynos than SD), there will be custom kernel and overclock/overvolt to help us enjoy the full performance of Exynos variant.
So going for SD845 is not a better choice, it just depends on your usage (do you plan to unlock BL ? root ? magisk ? custom kernel ?)
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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.
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The crapdragon will have a locked BL which automatically means it cannot be a better choice.
Theres only 2 reasons why anyone on xda would bother with it.
Your on verizon in which case exynos wont work or you really need carrier features like wifi calling or Volte. Other than that I have no idea why anyone here on xda would waste money on BL locked device when you have another option.
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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.
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Based on past experience (there are many youtubers demonstrating this) Snapdragon runs better in games. And not just a "little" better, "much" better as in twice as fast in many cases.
BL will hopefuly be unlocked in the near future. Root will come regardless.
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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
The BL will never get unlocked however and as long as you dont mind an 80% limit on charging your device yes there is root.
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Thats always been true, games are better on the snapdragon yes. So then thats reason number 3 but if your that into gaming likely you have a killer PC to play on anyway
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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.
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I certainly don't spend a 1000 $ on a device to use it just for calls and emails. I mean, c'mon
While I have a PS4, lately my gaming machine has been mainly my phone, on the go, as i'm always on the move and not @ home so much.
Hope both versions are great for gaming this time. That exynos geekbench score is simply amazing.
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Got to have gaming performance! Least being on the go having something on the go is always nice, even better when it really rocks with fantastic performance.
Find it interesting so far we've seen geekbench scores of both, and we have decent details on the SD GPU but not much on the exynos one.
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Why don't we wait and see some real life results. Let's not ignore the fact that while it scores lower in some benchmarks, Snapdragon is so much better in games and emulators than Exynos. Just look at the tests comparing S8 variants. If it's again the same story, Snapdragon is the better choice.
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Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.
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Dude , some of the emulators were slower on exynos because they weren't optimized for exynos. Not because of the GPU.
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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.
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Actually, the devs of the Dolphin emulator (Game Cube and Wii) confirmed that Exynos lacks some vital (for their development) instructions that Snapdragon has. There are already vids appearing online (youtuber Techutopia for example) that prove how Exynos in S9 is still sub par (to even Snapdragon 835) in games. Of course, there are factors involved, but the picture slowly becomes clear. And it's the same as last year.
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Exynos isn't easy to develop. Doesn't mean the exynos isn't capable of it.
I this point performance doesn't matter too much. Only thing that takes advantage of performance is when you're processing video/images, in which case it's a couple seconds usually, Or gaming, Most mobile games are light, and the heavy ones would have a marginal difference in quality.
I'm new to rooting and stuff, but pretty sure people can undownclock it right?
Also quick question does nerfing exynos performance result in better battery life? And does exynos have same battery life as snapdragon when it isn't nerfed? In the anandtech article it was something about task scheduler and not down-clocking, so it may have the same battery life, in which case I guess you could bring it back to peak performance and then down-clock for better battery.
With locked boot-loaders I read something a while ago that it isn't qualcomms fault (Other phones with same thing are easier). I think Samsung does it but that doesn't make sense as they are the ones that make exynos. I personally am going to get the Exynos note 9.
Take everything I said with a grain of salt, I'm a noob at rooting (I haven't rooted a phone yet, was going to do my OP5 before it got stolen)
I find it odd that while the Exynos performs good at single task benchmark, the SD kills it in Photo editing and other benchmarks.
I doubt it's tuned down but just a few select benchmarks out there right now aren't showing the full picture between these two devices right now. Time will tell so it's a wait and see.
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I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!
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I have the S9+ Exynos and let's just say that you won't be disappointed
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Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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M.Noury said:
Kindly can you run the below command on any Terminal app
Getprop ro.treble.enabled
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It's true Project Treble is enabled on this phone
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Hey bro. Are you familiar with emulators on android? If yes, could be please test the game Mushihime-Sama (mushisam in MAME) in the Retroarch emu (from PlayStore) with the Mame 2014 core? I know i am being very specific, but it's been a sort of quest of mine for a few years: finding an android smartphone able to play this game at constant 60 fps. Thanks and congrats on you purchase!
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Sorry- don't know anything about emulators. I've downloaded Retroach and Mame 2014 but how/where do I get the game you mentioned from?
There is a lot of debate over the performance between these 2 versions. So put 'em up. Any test or source you feel is relevant to your stance. I'll supply my 855 scores for a few. Please keep it friendly.
My OP didn't post the screenshots correctly.
Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.
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Xda just takes a while to actually show attached images. Your first post was fine.
In synthetic tests the Exy should be faster, and rightfully so. It occupies more space than the SD855, so I suspect Samsung scaled perf back to match the 855. Now, the SD will probably run better than Exy in emus and native games.
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Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.
Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.
I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.
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I have used Antutu and Geekbench for the scores. Did not do anything else basically. Didn't know if I should have messed with some setting or had to restart for a better score. If I have to do the tests again, please let me know.
This mine with exynos View attachment 4723816
Gesendet von meinem SM-G975F mit Tapatalk
CPU, Compute, GFX Bench (Exynos)
I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones too
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CPU, Compute, GFX Bench
I think I'm beating Snapdragon on a few of 3D ones
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@sireniankyle Run this in Chrome and show me what you get, I'm curious about 3D Web performance that doesn't rely on third party apps or their optimizations.
twelvematic said:
Can you check what camera sensors you have?
I downloaded AIDA64 and it says I have ISOCELL in my S10+ Exynos version.
I want to know if Samsung is placing Sony IMX sensors on the Snapdragon variant.
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I hope that's what you needed.
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I hope that's what you needed.
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Sorry. I wish everyone got the right variant for them the first time.
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Unless Exynos broke the mold this year, gaming is smoother on SD. If an Exynos user could start posting their results, that'd be awesome for the benchmark debate.
Are you saying that the 9820 is physically larger? If so, Qualcomm did implement a 7nm process to combat the difference.
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Yes, the 9820 is larger than the SD855 and 9810. When it comes to games it's hard to gauge the Adreno, since PUBG already runs at 60FPS on the 835, or with HDR on. That means it'll be a while before the 845 starts to choke.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14069/chiprebel-releases-exynos-9820-die-shot
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Yes, thank you! Now I know why I'm getting worse pictures and videos than my Note 9...
Definitely US variant has the best hardware. Snapdragon is better than Exynos and Sony IMX camera sensors are better than ISOCELL.
I'm angry. I'll try to sell my G975F and get a G975U1 :/
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Nah mate you're going too far in misunderstanding about this whole tech.
ISOCELL is also not a brand but a technology name for sensor produced by Samsung, Sony's counterpart is still using barely improved version of BSI, an older technology.
In theory, ISOCELL is superior to pretty much everything else, the only way for it to lose is to have inferior processing, the Pixel 3 makes good use of its IMX363 even if it technically has an older system.
Regarding ISOCELL vs BSI on the same device and same software processing will always come with better result through the ISOCELL. DXomark's review of the S10 used the International version with a 4.32mm ISOCELL, and it is the first in its class.
Also, the IMX sensor in @sireniankyle's screenshot is the selfie front facing camera, you can see the other rear facing camera being an ISOCELL (ultra-wide 1.80mm) as well.
I have attached my Exynos AIDA sensor screens and one of DXOmark's benchmarking sample with the sensor data recorded.
To keep it separated from my previous post:
@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.
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Not sony. Screenshot on exynos
GPU Performance
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To keep it separated from my previous post:
@twelvematic You shouldn't sell your G975F, we have:
-30%+ more single core performance
-equal or in some cases superior GPU performance (check my other post on the thread)
-unlockable bootloader at any time
-updated proprietary sensors that Samsung has full control on
-proprietary SoC that Samsung has full control on, most OEMS have no control over whether or not Qualcomm will continue supporting their platform with libs after 2 years, that's why most Qualcomm devices started having dead or crippled AOSP support in the last years, it turned from being community friendly into becoming just another American toxic corporation, it deserves to die like one, their patenting game is also dishonest and illegal in many cases.
-potentially superior battery life, Snapdragon users aren't even getting close to my 13.5h SoT record, their battery life drama percentage seems to be higher than ours (battery optimisation guide is coming soon btw)
If anything isn't performing in a satisfying way I am fully assured it can be solved with software updates. This affects all new technologies, and Qualcomm is not the new boy here.
Samsung has the means, they have the experience and media has already applied pressure on this Exynos vs Snapdragon issue for quite some time.
I was very negative about Exynos being potentially lame while waiting for my European pre-order, I do not worry anymore.
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GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.
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GPU equal or superior? Lol. It's not even better than the Adreno on my Note 9. Not only in the benchmarks... It is clearly noticeable in PUBG Mobile. Mali GPU lags.
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Geekbench GPU comparison
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Geekbench GPU comparison
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Renderscript is very unrelated to 3D performance, and it's also extremely dependant on kernel optimisation.
Why don't you run GFXbench on the Note? You will see what I'm talking about.
Samsung should improve their kernel optimisation game, the silicon is great, they're just lazy, at least my battery is insanely good and no Snapdragon is minimally getting close. That alone is worth more than any loss in benchmarks.
I had both S10+ Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855 for a night before selling the Exynos model. Here are some tests which you can access from my google drive folder.
Tests:
- Speedtest
- Antutu
- AiTutu (AI performance using NPU)
- Geekbench
- 3DMark
- Aida64 (specs)
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1givIr8Vvzp2TqTUjxVYbEeIKNX_WNv51
Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.
Dont forget Media <Moderator Edit> being closed source and no one in this community will ever fix their bugfest.
nadejo said:
Ok guys this is serious.
Don't order the Rog Phone 6D which will release 09.19.22!!!!
It doesn't make any sense.
Any other brand will include the dimensity 9000+ only in the vanilla edition
See this comparison of:
Xiaomi 12S Pro (sd8+ gen1) VS 12 Pro (d9000+)
for instance !!!!!
The sd8 + gen1 clearly wins in this comparison!! the only benefit of the d9000 seems to be less heat.
They will try to sell the dimensity edition for the price of the pro while having less costs producing the phone.
This time around dimensity only overclocked the soc while Qualcomm went from 5 to 4 nm aswell. I know reviews like those of "golden reviewer" too where the dimensity chips were more efficient. But this time they actually loose in the bechmarks by a big margin.
there is a reason why Xiaomi used the 9000+ in the vanilla edition (starts at 570$) and the 8+ gen1 in the S pro edition.(starts at 670$)
We ain't fools Asus...
Now you could say: "well that's a Xiaomi device, you can't compare that".
DO YOU RATHER BELIEVE SOME BENCHMARK SCREENSHOTS OF THE ROG 6D?
OR RATHER BELIEVE THE FACT THAT THEY PUT A BETTER SOC BECAUSE OF 3% HIGHER PEAK PERFORMANCE??!!
If the Rog 6D really was better than the rog 6/6 pro.
They would have waited for global shipping of the rog6 pro to start before teasing the rog 6 D
(rog6 pro global shipping starts 01.09)
There is a reason why Dimensity SOCs are a China exclusive most of the time! So they can run the lobby in europ. But we ain't fools.
Why they do this?
They want you to cancel the peorder of the rog 6 pro because the sd8+ gen1 is more expensive. (Once the ROG 6 D is released rog 6 & Pro will run out of stock soon).
This way they want to hold you longer on the wait list by making it look like an opportunity for an even better device. But it's a trap. Once everybody knows it is the vanilla edition, not only are you gonna wait longer for the worse device. It will also be a disappointment. Your performance will be worse for the same money like an exynos user. Also the rog 6/6pro will be no longer available & they will have gifted less cooling fans too as many customers will try to get the previous models later, after seeing comparisonsof the d model. You will turn into a mediatek fanboy hoping for updates and slowly fade away in disappointment.
I've pre-ordered the ROG 6 pro btw. not gonna cancel it.
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Sometimes I wonder why people write so much <Moderator Edit> these days and post sources that literally go against what they say.
The snapdragon 8+ 1 clearly lost to the dimensity. Almost everything was equal except for 2 things which dimensity won, not by a little, but by quite a large margin.
1.) Camera performance was significanly better, the detail was much better on the dimensity and even the dynamic range was also notably better, this comes to no real surprise since the ISP on the mediatek is roughly 3x as fast as the one found in the qualcom variant.
2.) On Gaming performance the dimensity won by quite a large margin, as stated by your own source, there are some heavy drops on qualcomm based phones, which really isnt anything new, this doesnt exist on the dimensity, it delivers way more fluid and reliable gaming experience, this is also the reason why we see more and more devices starting to use the new mediatek chips.
The real reason why they want to switch to mediatek seems to me that they are sick and tired of their power IC's and SOC's from qualcom blowing up or causing other type of issues. Many who own the Rog2,Rog5, Rog5s and soon QC Rog6 users know exacly what I'm talking about.
@Einheit-101
Neither is qualcomm. While they do have some things that are open source, their most important and interesting things are closed source. The only reason the things we have from QC are open source is because QC has to adhere to certain laws since they are based in the US, which forces them to open source their GPL based stuff, anything that isnt, you aint gettin anything. As far as I'm concerned, both have the same <Moderator Edit> attitude, QC however does market it as "they choose to open source" their things, trying to market themselves at the "good guys", much like apple and microsoft do despite their clearly anti consumer stance.
Regardless if youre an QC <Moderator Edit> or a mediatek <Moderator Edit>, ordering a Rog6 is completely <Moderator Edit> to begin with. Nobody should preorder a Rog6, period, we all know the Rog6S will likely be pushed out in a couple of months with a far superior gen2 / whatever <Moderator Edit> mediatek will push out and you have spent big bucks on an already outdated phone.
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i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.
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i prefer higher texture quality over high fps and battery life. That's just me.
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I prefer facts <Moderator Edit>.
You have yet to prove your <Moderator Edit> claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.
Danishblunt said:
I prefer facts over nonsense.
You have yet to prove your made up claim that mediatek chips render lower texture resolutions in games.
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The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.
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The Dimensity 9000 wins in CPU performance, while the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 leads in GPU. It's a different ballgame when power consumption is considered, though, as the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 looks to be more efficient across the board.
Source
(this is a gaming phone, so you tell me what's the priority here)
also the new d9000+ has only overclocked the cpu while the snapdragon 8+ gen 1 uses 4nm instead of 5nn now.
And we didn't even mention that most games are optimized for snapdragon gpus anyways.
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I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
surprisingly, there is a few big fluctuations in 12S pro (qualcomm), it is higher peak but with few big drops but the performance of the xiaomi 12 pro dimensity is much more stable
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The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.
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I cant help but facepalm.
Then why does dimensity run far better in games? Did you watch your own source?
14:48
The dimensity IS the better gaming chip, <Moderator Edit> the dimensity is better.
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No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.
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No it isn't. It uses lower resolutions watch the reviews of golden reviewer on YouTube. It's not bad but the snapdragon is slightly better in terms of gpu performance. I agree the dimensity is more efficient. But the gap is much smaller now since snapdragon uses 4nm. The optimizations for snapdragon across Playstore apps/games are way more important to me. I won't trade that against slightly more cpu power and slightly more efficiency. it's about 3% m8 that's not much.
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I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>
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I'd like you to source your claim, instead of mentioning a random youtuber name expecting us to search for it. Also the dimensity is more optimized which the reviewer you sourced showcased. It's even the Gen8+ vs 9000+ <Moderator Edit>
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this screenshot shows all the facts. Now you can call this "not reliable" but that's all we can see right now. And this isn't just a benchmark screenshot, it's the reality. Same phone, different chips. There you see the truth.
What's that lift-up grey flap for on the 6D Ultimate (instead of "Dare to play" light)?
Some extra connectivity port/ a difference in hardware compared to ROG phone 6 Pro?
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@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask
Danishblunt said:
Why don't you just admit defeat? You clearly contradicted yourself, made baseless claims and cannot source any of your claims. You're making a giant fool out of yourself.
@elmor0 Good question, I'll ask
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The fact that Xiaomi is selling the same device with dimensity 9000+ 100$ cheaper and the fact that it scores 100k less on AnTuTu compared to the snapdragon version is enough source for evidence to me that the snapdragon rog phone 6 is the better choice. <Moderator Edit>
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i bet my but that antutu of the rog phone 6d is fake. I've seen that already. As long i don't see it on YouTube i won't believe any Screenshots
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I need my android apps without a notch or a punchhole, with the highest possible refreshrate, with a headphone jack, with a good translated os & the most compatible soc. Rog 6 pro comes with all of that. I even produce music on my android and just did 1200€ with a HipHop beat on Spotify. (fl mobile) I'm a different breed. computers won't cut it for me. I'm on the next lvl. I produce on oc too. but the workflow on Android is crazy fast. got already 100 beats running on all stores bro.
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Is there any way of making the night shots on p6p faster like on my p7? It's got to be down to software only, as they use the same camera, it's defo not down to CPU or GPU because my p6p out performs my p7 in everyway specially GPU , CPU is a little fast on p7, but p6p is way snappier and stays so much cooler than p7,
Is there any mods I can install like gcam to make night shots faster?
Can't change anything on pixel camera so you would have to use a modded gcam
Why do you say that? Isn't the Pixel7 series faster than the Pixel6 series at night? Through Tensor G2
Juuuuune said:
Why do you say that? Isn't the Pixel7 series faster than the Pixel6 series at night? Through Tensor G2
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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It may actually be a SOC strategy problem. Tensorg2 has two A78 cores, which is much better than the two A76 cores equipped by Tensorg1, isn't it? I limited the Pixel6Pro's work frequency. (Both x1 cores up to 2.2G) But it can still get a 2800 multi-core score in the GeekBench5 test ... The highest multi-core score in Tensorg1 in many evaluations is 2950, but according to my test, this is simply not possible. So it is very likely that it is a SOC strategy problem.
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Yeah only the camera because it's only software making it do that, Google could implement this to the the p6p but do not, to make the p7 look more premium than it actually is, p6p way out performs in gaming and battery, p7 scores 4000+ on vulkan and p6p scores 7000+, you can feel 9t 8n the gaming, it's so weird, only things p7 is slightly better at is the CPU because it's clocked higher, that's all, p7 and pro is all software bumps that's it
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Mali-G78 MP20 doesn't outperform Mali-G710 MP7 in games. lmao
Stop relying on ONE benchmark. Try actually comparing games to games on both of those devices and you'll see. lol