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Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack
The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
tauio111 said:
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad
Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...
Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.
Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/
Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.
Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.
P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.
Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???
This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.
For all owners of the Zenfone 2 model with the 1.8ghz + 2GB ram combo, how is the performance? Any lag around the u.i or when switching apps?
How is gaming performance? I don't play high end graphic games but how well does the phone handle gaming and how is the thermal throttling.
Performance is fine, very similar to a Snapdragon 800. The few games I have loaded seem smooth too. Overall the 2GB variant is good for the price compared to other budget phones like the Idol 3.
"I'd Totally Hug You, If That Was Something I Did"
The 2Gb variant is very good! The performance is impeccable! Switching between recent apps back and forth with out lag. You can really test the performance by play emulators on this bad boy. Playing the psp emulator and my games run 50 to 60 fps. I recommend anybody to get this device.
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Anyone else? Please share your experiences.
I must confess that on some games i have noticed some lags.
But i think it is more an optimization issue of Lollipop than the chipset and the hardware itself. 3Dmark score is 18300 which is enormous.
Someone else on this forum has notified some stutters and frame drop even sometimes in some very low graphics game.
For example, in Nova 3, your have one or two scenes which are really slow (about 30 FPS) or it is maybe me which are used to play at 60 FPS. Since lollipop is only taking 15% maximum of all worldwide Android phones, it doesn't surprise me that most of the applications are not optimized for the Art architecture...
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I must confess that on some games i have noticed some lags.
But i think it is more an optimization issue of Lollipop than the chipset and the hardware itself. 3Dmark score is 18300 which is enormous.
Someone else on this forum has notified some stutters and frame drop even sometimes in some very low graphics game.
For example, in Nova 3, your have one or two scenes which are really slow (about 30 FPS) or it is maybe me which are used to play at 60 FPS. Since lollipop is only taking 15% maximum of all worldwide Android phones, it doesn't surprise me that most of the applications are not optimized for the Art architecture...
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I have the 1.8GHz/4GB model and it can get laggy after a while. I assume it's to do with the underlying version of Lollipop and the memory leak issue. I noticed that free RAM would drop to as low as ~500MB even with only a handful of apps open, and some of those, like Snapchat/Whatsapp, were consuming ~400MB each. Even in simple games where you'd expect it to be super smooth, it can choke from time to time. I've heard people mention that it might also be due to the Intel chipset rather than the more common Snapdragon family. Hopefully they update to 5.1.x soon.
You should also report your stutter and frames drop to ASUS
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I must confess that on some games i have noticed some lags.
But i think it is more an optimization issue of Lollipop than the chipset and the hardware itself. 3Dmark score is 18300 which is enormous.
Someone else on this forum has notified some stutters and frame drop even sometimes in some very low graphics game.
For example, in Nova 3, your have one or two scenes which are really slow (about 30 FPS) or it is maybe me which are used to play at 60 FPS. Since lollipop is only taking 15% maximum of all worldwide Android phones, it doesn't surprise me that most of the applications are not optimized for the Art architecture...
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Any lag or dropped frames throughout the ui ?
Does the phone feel snappy or you can tell it is a midrange device.
It's surprisingly snappy, the 2GB variant is definitely livable day-to-day. The 2GB one shows the symptoms of 5.0's memory failure to release properly bugs quicker, though. Just reboot it once a day or two and you'll be fine. Here's my benchmark comparisons from my review:
Asus ZenFone 2 (16gb)
Antutu - 40207
SunSpider - 956
Geekbench 3 - 741 Single-core, 2230 Multi-core
Octane - 6255
3dmark - 18020
PCmark - 4709
Basemark OS II
Overall: 1065
System: 1562
Memory: 832
Graphics: 1360
Web: 729
Asus ZenFone 2 (64gb)
Antutu - 41690
SunSpider - 720
Geekbench 3 - 916 Single-core, 2794 Multi-core
Octane - 7763
3dmark - 15668
PCmark - 5474
Basemark OS II
Overall: 1267
System: 1964
Memory: 1089
Graphics: 1416
Web: 851
CPU and storage aren't an issue. 2GB really doesn't cut it with the stock ROM. With the xposed colorfade patch, I still frequently see 100-300MB of reported free ram (with the system taking anywhere from 1.2 to 1.4gb). Bad enough and it essentially locks up, requiring a hard reboot. Waiting for sources to be released...
Do note that the device (at least the 2GB variant) makes use of 400mb of ram as zram, with swappiness 100.
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CPU and storage aren't an issue. 2GB really doesn't cut it with the stock ROM. With the xposed colorfade patch, I still frequently see 100-300MB of reported free ram (with the system taking anywhere from 1.2 to 1.4gb). Bad enough and it essentially locks up, requiring a hard reboot. Waiting for sources to be released...
Do note that the device (at least the 2GB variant) makes use of 400mb of ram as zram, with swappiness 100.
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Interesting..
Would you say the memory leak on the 2GB variant is enough of an inconvenience to return the phone and opt for the 4Gb version?
I ordered the 2Gb variant from amazon and it will be arriving today and want to make sure before i open the box that i made the right decision.
Hello,
I would like to ask about overclocking my device - Zenfone 2 ZE550ML 720p (1,8GHz/2GB RAM). Im playing games on my phone a lot when Im on the trips and later the newest games are started lagging like.. Order and Chaos 2, Dungeon Hunter 5 or Eternity Warriors 4 arent running flawlessly either.
I wanted to ask if I can overclock my CPU and GPU to higher values to get better performance since CPU model is Z3560 (1,8GHz) is almost the same as Z3580 with 2,3GHz and Z3570 got highest GPU frequency with 640Mhz - we got 544MHz or so?)
Samsung Note 5 or Iphone 6 can run these games without any issue why our device cant? :|
Also dungeon hunter 5 looks really awful like on my old Mali 450 device and my friend with S6 got a lot better graphics .. (resolution looks like 480p on mine - textures are really bad)..
Is there any way how to overclock CPU/GPU or its locked by Intel? Should I try custom ROM to get better performance in games or it would make it even worse?
Zenfone 2 got highest GFX Bench values for GPU its over S6/Note5/Iphone6/OneplusOne.. but games are running better on these devices..
Thank you for your help.. my device isnt roother either flashed to another rom Im running on stock but I have no problem rooting my device as long as I can play games without lag.
Intel needs optimisation i think...
Anyone please answer ?
Thanks
The iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 have better GPUs. The ZenFone 2 uses the same GPU as the iPhone 5S, and it's slightly better than the Adreno 330 used in the Galaxy S5 and the LG G3.
For GFXBench, makes sure you're comparing the "Offscreen" scores.
Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.
Its not overclockable until today. Kernel can set higher clockspeed but the SOC (GPU&CPU) will not run faster than spec clock.
Laggy games
what there is experience if we play the game, then zenfone 2 will feel the heat and the games that we play becomes laggy? does anyone have a solution?
Thank you.
Check Project T. They have an under/overclocked kernel. It goes up to 2ghz. It's not much, but makes a difference. Only read about it, so I don't know if they overclocked the gpu as well.
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Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.
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You were comparing to the Note 5 and iPhone 6, both phones have much more powerful GPUs.
And the offscreen scores just give you a uniform comparison for different GPUs.
But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.
As i said, this is a intel chip and the Houdini conversion must probably still have some improvement.
For me, this is a software issue....
Rageweawer said:
But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.
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wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..
cangcan said:
wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..
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Btw these are becoz, games are not well optimised for power vr gpu and x86 sadly... Gameloft optimize much for mali gpu, as they teamed up, while many games optimized for adreno
And graphics benchmarks using cpu and gpu not just gpu.. So the scores they scored are including cpu, gpu.. .
Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks
Rageweawer said:
Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks
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Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.
I have never noticed these game stutters and problems other people seem to have. I don't game on my phone much these days, but my 550 and my memo pad 7 me572 (same ram and same atom 3560 as the 550 but 1200p display) have had no trouble with games when ever I have.
If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
Performance will improve and no change in battery
livewire168 said:
Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.
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Well I would never buy iPhone 6 or S6.. because S6 here in Czech republic (Europe) cost over 1000 USD while Meizu 5 Pro will cost around 500-550 USD and performs better than S6 with the same hardware.. I got my ZE550ML almost the first day that it was released for 260 USD. I was doing a big research especially about the gaming performance and I found that Zenfone 2 is out performing every mobile phone even One Plus One - the flag ship killer. Because its 720p display ZE550ML had the most FPS in every syntetic 3D benchmark. There simply wasnt stronger phone at the time I bough this phone for 3D performance.
Thats why I also dont get it why games laggs on this phone while FPS is so high... S6 got 2k display and got lower onscreen FPS values than Zenfone 2 onscreen. Why is game lagging then. I had no problem to pay 500USD for a phone that could run every game flawlessly for around 1,5 year.. and I though Zenfone with these FPS values was enough so why would I buy 1000 USD or 500 USD phone when Zenfone for 260 USD had the most FPS ? If zenfone 2 had 20 FPS average and 500 USD phone had 60 FPS I would definetly buy 500 USD phone.. but when ZF2 had 35 FPS in TRex and 500 USD phone had 30 FPS.
Thats why I didnt get any MT6752/3 phone with Mali T760 / 720 (MP2?) because they are getting like 7 FPS and cost 150-200USD (almost same as ZF2 - they got even higher antutu because of the CPU but GPU is just trash in MTK SoC).
I will get new Letv/Meizu/Xiaomi for 450 USD that should be released in about 2 months I hope so.. but now Im finding if there is a way that ZF 2 can be capable of playing these games without lags.
- Overclock
- ROM change
- Factory reset ? (I guess it wouldnt help)
- ??
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If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
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There is zero performance incerase even if I play games in ultra power safe mode they are just running the same as in performance mode.. looks like placeholder for "newbie" people.
Hmm... in this case, something is wrong with your phone. On mine, its a clear difference.
The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down
From what I have read the 821 is a 820. The 821 is just higher binned 820. When they make chips they are not all the same. Some just are a little more efficient than others do to very minor differences in the chips. So a high binned 820 can handle a higher clock speed while using less power are turned into 821.
So Google decided they wanted to go with the 821 because it is more power efficient than a 820. But it seems Google thinks the speed of the 820 is fast enough to provide a good snappy user experience. So they are doubling down on efficiency by clocking these high binned chips down to the same as the 820. So say the 821 is 5% more efficient at stock speed over the 820. The 821 might be 10% more efficient at the same clock speed at the 820 while delivering the same speed as the 820. So they are sort of doubling down on efficiency over performance.
From the hands on I have seen everyone has described the phone as very fast. This is likely due to Google optimizing Android to run on the pixels hardware. Much like Apple does with the iPhone. Also the Pixel has some hardware features that might not show up on a regular spec sheet. It has some improved touch screen latency and faster storage. Because of these factors Google decided they don't need the extra performance of the 821 but instead want to utilize it's efficiency.
TLDR Google is going all in on the Pixel proving a very fast user experience while being power efficient!
So in theory once kernel source has been released we can just OC it back to "stock" frequency and get even faster performance with a hit to battery life.
I have the OP3 and the phone is clocking to max. frequency very rarely anyway. So there is no reason to clock it down for better efficiency.
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
ramqashou said:
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
ramqashou said:
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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In the current climate and with the 810 fiasco overshadowing can you really blame them for dialing it down? Perhaps the GPU is still clocked higher in the 821 and I'll take the efficiency as a perk. It's up to you what's worth $200 more but there are a few more bits less talked about included in the price.
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mixedguy said:
The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
Hoodeddeathman said:
I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
mixedguy said:
I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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As I understand it android has the capability and it's up to the devs to implement. The game can be rendered at whatever resolution and will then be upscaled. for example Warhammer Freeblade allows you to select which resolution to use and texture qualities just as you would in most PC games at the risk of losing frames however Need For Speed No Limits selects a pre-defined profile depending on device.
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.
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As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
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When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.
As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.
http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php
This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.
The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.
The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.
"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."
"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
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That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full click speeds without throttling...
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The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.
Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
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That's true i can't
Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS
Recently I had speed test with my friend's Redmi note 4 and unexpectedly I lost against him in single pubg opening time by a margin of 10 seconds.
I was on pie sGSI ( I know that it lags but I thought that sd820 is enough powerful to beat sd 625 on any crappy software.)
This blown my mind and raised many questions.
1.how much does a software optimization is important in Android smartphones ??
2.software vs hardware which is more important ??
3.stock rom vs custom rom. Is it really beneficial to use custom ROMs ??
4.latest Android or stable 2 yrs old Android which is preferable ??
5.which is your favourite combination of rom for your zuk in performance ( here performance means without compromising heating and excessive battery drain) ??
6.how is stock Chinese zui ??
Please Reply With detailed experience.
Thanks.
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
praveensm899 said:
Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
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Another one. lol
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Qualcomm's ****ty 4 kryo cores are enough to beat 8 a53 cores.
Because of sd 820 all I can see is HD or High graphics options in games and you can't play it because of heating and battery consumption.
So sd 820 is a mid ranger now:laugh:
If you can balance out the cpu thermal throttling issue, then the sd820 beats out the sd625 in GPU demanding games like PUBGM, Asphalt 9. The sd625 will never come close to being able to run those 2 games on high settings. The sd625 on the other hand, have very consistent performance and basically never throttle
I personally would have chosen a sd625 device, but the prices of sd820 devices now is almost same as sd625 devices, so their performance being close is nothing special. sd820 is just a less crappy sd810, and I still remember saying sd820 is bad on this forum and have ppl told me Im crazy
LMAO
Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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And I agree with everything you said.
The performance you get on emulators on 625 is laughable compared to what you get on 820. I don't ever these guys are on about; 625 doesn't stand a chance against 820
as someone who had sd820 and sd625, my conclusion is sd625 is battery optimized with balanced performance, suitable for long term use. while sd820 excel in performance, it depends on the termal & kernel setting, cause sd820 heat a lot when used heavily (gaming or video processing), if by any chance zuk z2 had a better cooling system (like the new liquid cooling system) i think it could easily beat sd625. what make sd820 nor fully optimized was it heat, then the thermal config tried to cool it, which disturb the hardware performance.
simply said, sd820 can reach the top of the wall, but can't hang on too long. while sd625 can only reach half of the wall, but it can hang in to it as long as it want. in a battle of endurance, i would pick sd625
There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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You do realize that you're on the z2+ forum, where most ppl is using it right?
The phone & SoC has flaws, no one can deny that. It just happen to suit your use case, doesn't mean it does so for everyone
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I suggest you to read the z2 forum carefully. Solution for all your peoblems is there.
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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LOL
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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http://s.aliexpress.com/nMFzaUri?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
It says glass panel but see the description, material used is metal.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Maybe its badluck for you! i have played pubg on highest setting with 30-40 fps and tempreture under 45C. hardware does matter. and so does software optimization. both go hand in hand
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol for u bro
I guess ur one crazy redmi note 4 fanboi or maybe not
But anyways
My z2 every time wins against my friends redmi note 4 in terms of pubg that to I play on 1080p med settings, his on low settings
As ppl earlier said pubg is not well optimised
U say u have tried all ROMs
Having big appload or not letting the ROM to settle or frequently changing roms and some impatience leads to these kinds of moronic conclusions
I guess u haven't tried ROMs like OOS miui cardinal nitrogen
Not to exclude jaguar bootleggers
Even on zui it better than redmi note 4
Except rros old builds coz their speeds aren't that good
As far as sd820 is concerned
My god bro u haven't heard of op3t phone I guess
I played on 1080p high settings no lag whatsoever
It even crushes zuk z2