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Can we have a *****slap icon/label voted by users and applied by moderators???

I ask this totally un-PC question because as I read more and more about UK vendors coming out officially and saying that you can indeed get the Nexus on the 17th, I feel like going back to all those threads where people started *****ing about Google being this and Samsung being that, without exercising any real thought applied with patience. Evidently the launch (everyelse but the Americas I'm guessing) hasn't been botched as (I'm paraphrasing) many have said. The Americas... well, I think we've come to understand that Verizon is playing hardball.
Even though I can't be bothered to go through the threads, the are plenty of others where people start flaming companies, others forum users, self-flaming for erotic pleasure, whatever.
This *****slap icon/logo is not a ban or a warning for bad language. It's more just, "please, stop being a petulant baby."
The *****slap. Voted by members, applied by moderators.

I would love to have a *****slap icon.

I agree, I like it so much I would even post just to *****slap myself.

******slaps Cleargrey*

Surely OP should get one first

LOL. I agree a *****slap icon would be fun.
However, on the topic of the launch, i would say the *****slap icon should be used only after the 17th if its proven there is wide general availability of the GNexus. I still think there are e-tailers advertising misleading dates. Just today Clove confirmed to a user (posted somewhere on the gnexus thread) that they didnt know when stock would actually arrive and they may not be able to ship till w/c 21st even though their web site still says 17th.

bigf00t said:
******slaps Cleargrey*
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md2 said:
Surely OP should get one first
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This is why, my friends, it is to be applied by moderators!!!

This thread would definitely qualify.

Cleargrey said:
I ask this totally un-PC question because as I read more and more about UK vendors coming out officially and saying that you can indeed get the Nexus on the 17th, I feel like going back to all those threads where people started *****ing about Google being this and Samsung being that, without exercising any real thought applied with patience. Evidently the launch (everyelse but the Americas I'm guessing) hasn't been botched as (I'm paraphrasing) many have said. The Americas... well, I think we've come to understand that Verizon is playing hardball.
Even though I can't be bothered to go through the threads, the are plenty of others where people start flaming companies, others forum users, self-flaming for erotic pleasure, whatever.
This *****slap icon/logo is not a ban or a warning for bad language. It's more just, "please, stop being a petulant baby."
The *****slap. Voted by members, applied by moderators.
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\deleted, re-read the post and joke doesn't apply now...

So when can we start B-slappin' folks 'cuz I've seen a few I'd like to throw some baby powder on for. I would also love to see this implemented elsewhere on the web. especially the ones that seem unbiased mobile sites when they are clearly *phone users who have no idea what they are talking about.
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or maybe an epic fail/facepalm icon would be nice!

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I agree, we need this, because there are a lot of stupid posts on xda-dev.
I need a slap now and then so please, this would be nice.
I do not know how this applies to this device but...

Ok who wants the first one
http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac222/mskipxda/*****Slap1.jpg
Mark.

Better alternative to postcount limit in development forums

Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative.
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OK. You need a 'user points' system. I'm more familiar with Drupal than vb (you should probably upgrade sometime), so I'm not sure what's available for vb, if anything. You want something similar to this: http://drupal.org/project/userpoints
Users then earn points for performing certain actions on your site (not just posting), you can assign different amounts of points for different actions. Points can be removed too.
Then have a minimum userpoint limit for posting in certain forums.
Then you'd have better control over what activities you were encouraging users to do, rather than just encouraging short spam posts.

Chalenge accepted.
wbaw said:
12aon said:
]Why are you judging members by their post count?
For lack of a better alternative. I challenge anyone to come up with a better alternative, and share it with us.
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OK. You need a 'user points' system.
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First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@wbaw: I like your Idea of a 'user points' system. To make sure that there are only posts that are above a certain level of standard, you need to create some kind of 'filter'. But I think that, such a system as you have suggested could be exploited as well. As long as there are technical rules to be fulfilled one can just do so and get his status right.
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
Let me explain why I came up and what I mean by this.
I have to confess that I'm a heavy user of youtube. And here you have a good example what I mean. You do not only have the ability to press a "like", "+1" or "thump up" -button but also the possibility to press "thumps down". What I figured out is, that the rating of the videos are surprisingly close to my own opinion. That implies that everyone is sensitive to the quality of a video (or post?!?) and furthermore that the average opinion about the quality is in average the opinion of the single reader itself (myself).
In the XDA-Forum you have the "Thanks" button. What I suggest is a ... hmmm ... "ingratitude" button (or just do "thumps up and down", "plus and minus", "happy and sad" or whatever you like). Each user has a single voice for each post.
With this mechanism in place, a post that is below a certain threshold could be automatically minimized. I don't mean that they should be deleted, because there might be answers that refer to this particular post. But by minimizing it, bad quality posts get out of the focus of the reader. If wanted, one can still expand and read it (by pressing some kind of an "open button").
That is the first step. In the second step there is a user rating that is based on the post rating of all his posts. So if one does not mind his behavior or is asking stupid questions over and over again. His Account is restricted to post only in the non developer parts of the forum.
The first advantage by applying this functionality is, that silly posts get quite fast out of the focus of the reader.
The second advantage is that silly poster (no offense here ^^) are removed from development forums in the long run.
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
In my opinion this functionality is a little bit better than restricting everyone (even the high quality poster) to non development forums just because they are not active enough to reach 10 posts.
The problem is, to define the threshold. I've some ideas in my mind, but that would leave the scope of this post which is to invite a new (I know its old, but new to this forum) idea.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Sorry 4 my bad English. Its not my native language.

wbaw said:
OK. You need a 'user points' system. I'm more familiar with Drupal than vb (you should probably upgrade sometime), so I'm not sure what's available for vb, if anything. You want something similar to this: http://drupal.org/project/userpoints
Users then earn points for performing certain actions on your site (not just posting), you can assign different amounts of points for different actions. Points can be removed too.
Then have a minimum userpoint limit for posting in certain forums.
Then you'd have better control over what activities you were encouraging users to do, rather than just encouraging short spam posts.
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I appreciate your ideas on this topic, although I have to admit I am really mystified by this: "....rather than just encouraging short spam posts".
Why do you believe that encouraging users to post in the proper sections with helpful answers to other users is "encouraging short spam posts"? I seriously don't get this idea. It is not really any more difficult to try a little to post even marginally helpful answers to other people in the General and Q&A forums as opposed to "short spam posts".
It is not like getting 10 not-spam posts is that difficult. Probably hundreds do it any given week here. Is it too much to ask that people read a little first, gain some knowledge, try to be a little helpful to others in the General, Q&A, Themes and Apps, and Accessories device forums, or in the general discussion forums, in order to be able to post into any dev thread on this site?
I am not sure if there is a way to add this type of functionality to VBulletin, but I think it just becomes a meaningless stat over time just like the thanks counter, and users will figure out a way to scam it as well.
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First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
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This is already in the works from what I hear, there will be rating buttons on each post, enough positive votes raises it up, enough negative votes hides it (not delete).

mf2112 said:
Ponsel said:
First of all I'd like to say "challenge accepted"
@12aon: In my opinion we need a rating system for the quality of posts and based on this a hiding mechanism for posts.
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This is already in the works from what I hear, there will be rating buttons on each post, enough positive votes raises it up, enough negative votes hides it (not delete).
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That sounds great. I'd love to increase the visibility of my favorite ROM and further more rate away bad posts.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D

Ponsel said:
That sounds great. I'd love to increase the visibility of my favorite ROM and further more rate away bad posts.
Cheers
Ponsel
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D
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I would advise not writing posts to simply increase your post count. That can get the wrong kind of attention. Instead, simply try to write good posts that help people less experienced than you in your devices General or Q&A forum and it won't ever be a problem to worry about.

@wbaw - While the user points system would be a massive change to how things are run at the moment, I can't help feeling that mf2112 is completely right when he says that it'll become just like the thanks button.
In an ideal world, it would be a great idea and would work perfectly well. But in amongst the realms of the internet, a lot of people will simply do all they can just so they can post something wherever they'd like to.
@Ponsel - Even though this rating system can be a great idea and will probably be put into action at some point, I can't help feeling that this system will be exploited aswell.
I say this because quite a few times, in my short time here, I've seen moments when there's been a casual discussion going on with 6/7 people and everything's going great. Then all of a sudden, one states their opinion and none of the others agree with it or like it, so they all gang up on the individual.
In this instance, the 'gang' could quite easily vote all the individuals comments down, thus resulting in him/her being penalized.
Obviously the situation would be able to be rectified in the end, but until a mod has been able to view the whole situation, the individual would still have to be without certain posting rights, which wouldn't be fair.
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
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^^^I really love this bit because as you mention, people will have to take care of what they post, even if they have thousands of posts. Also, I really do think it would improve the forum quality aswell. Only time will tell as to whether it with get implemented or not and whether it would even be effective, but I do like the idea so far.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

mf2112 said:
Ponsel said:
p.S. Just writing to increase my "noob counter" ;-D
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would advise not writing posts to simply increase your post count.
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I just could not resist to show how easy it is to exploit the "noob counter" system. You just need to start a discussion and keep trolling.
But here's the non trolling reply:
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@Ponsel - Even though this rating system can be a great idea and will probably be put into action at some point, I can't help feeling that this system will be exploited aswell.
I say this because quite a few times, in my short time here, I've seen moments when there's been a casual discussion going on with 6/7 people and everything's going great. Then all of a sudden, one states their opinion and none of the others agree with it or like it, so they all gang up on the individual.
In this instance, the 'gang' could quite easily vote all the individuals comments down, thus resulting in him/her being penalized.
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I know, that my idea is not without any fault. But I think that this problem can be solved by a good threshold. I think its to early to go into details, but to support my idea and to encourage everyone to participate in this discussion (I can't fight the feeling that I'm just trolling again ^^) I'll now suggest one possible solution how to solve this problem.
I think the threshold should work in two steps:
Step 1. As long as there are no more than 5 ratings the post is visible.
Step 2. As long as there are 10% or more positive votes the post should still be visible.
These numbers have materialized out of thin air in front of my inner eye and I'd be glad if some "number cruncher" could calculate better ones. But first let me explain why I've chosen this particular ones.
First of all I'd like to state that I'd rather let a bad post stay visible then losing a good idea. So I would be very careful when filtering them out. By the method that I've suggested, a post would be as visible as long as not at least 6 persons have rated against it. And even then a single positive vote can keep the post above the threshold until there are 10 negative votes against it.
Normal posts will get voted very seldom (just because they don't polarize as much).
Posts that polarize will get some positive and some negative votes and stay above the threshold.
I figure that bad posts are so obvious bad that barely anyone will ever vote them positive (well ... the poster should not be allowed to rate his own post ^^).
The rating system for the account itself must work somehow different. I've no Idea how it should work, but I think that the lowest 5-15% of the "most unpopular" accounts should be restricted on non development forums (these numbers are out of thin air as well ^^).
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Ponsel said:
The third advantage is, that one have to take care of all his posts even in the long run (writing 10 posts does not necessarily means that one have learned its lesson). So the over all quality of the forum itself is increasing.
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^^^I really love this bit because as you mention, people will have to take care of what they post, even if they have thousands of posts. Also, I really do think it would improve the forum quality aswell. Only time will tell as to whether it with get implemented or not and whether it would even be effective, but I do like the idea so far.
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Well in this point I'm not sooo optimistic because normal posts rarely get a rating at all. Giving those assumption someone with a lot of posts might stay above the threshold. It might be advisable to take only the posts with a rating into account, but I'm not sure.
I hope my remarks support my Idea of a rating system for posts ^^
Cheers
Ponsel

only issue i have is i am very experience in flashing roms just new to this site and i have a couple very specific questions about ombg nand and i could not ask. which is my main reason for signing up. there is a ton of great info here but i was having a specific issue with the rom on my rhod400 and i hope to get a answer in general since i couldnt ask directly in that thread.

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only issue i have is i am very experience in flashing roms just new to this site and i have a couple very specific questions about ombg nand and i could not ask. which is my main reason for signing up. there is a ton of great info here but i was having a specific issue with the rom on my rhod400 and i hope to get a answer in general since i couldnt ask directly in that thread.
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As others have stated, you should make some helpful posts around the forums. If you say you're sharp at flashing, I'm sure there's a ton of questions you can answer around the forums.
The TP2 is a strange device, in that it runs both Android and WinMo. We really need an "Android General" section for the TP2, which I have tried many times to get...
So unfortunately there's not a whole lot you can do. Just don't go spamming forums with worthless drivel... that will certainly get you unwanted attention.

This is the kind of thing we think about a lot. We actually do have a "points" system in beta on some forums but there are a lot of issues that come into play when you start showing/hiding threads based on points. What if a group gets together and starts voting competing projects down in collective voting blocks?
Right now we simply ask that in order to post in certain sections, that you help others out first. It may not be the ideal solution but it is working for the community at the moment.
Anyway, rest assured we continually evaluate the best way to balance user interaction vs limiting the cruft.

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This is the kind of thing we think about a lot. We actually do have a "points" system in beta on some forums but there are a lot of issues that come into play when you start showing/hiding threads based on points. What if a group gets together and starts voting competing projects down in collective voting blocks?
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I'm not quite sure how to answer this. I'll try it anyway
My suggestion is for single posts, not for threads. Probably its a good idea to disable the the voting for the initial post of a thread.
It's all about visibility. I don't want to delete the post, just minimize it within the thread.
I'd like to mention the REALLY low threshold. 10% means that every 10 negative votes can be countered by one single positive vote.
If there is a project that figures that there is a competitor the competitor itself must have accumulated enough interest to be recognized as such one. That means that there is a fan base to keep it above the threshold mentioned in point 3.
Last but not least. It might sound harsh, but if a Project can not build up as many fans as needed to defend itself, then probably this project might be not worth working on it (just a thought).
Cheers
Ponsel

We can mention who all have voted up/down on every post (through some expandable option, ofcourse)..
This way, group behaviour can be identified, and accordingly dealt with, by the mods...

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[*]Last but not least. It might sound harsh, but if a Project can not build up as many fans as needed to defend itself, then probably this project might be not worth working on it (just a thought).
Cheers
Ponsel
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Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

conantroutman said:
Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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You,sir,are amazing... LOL... Anyway,i also agree that the post count limit should be increased rather than decreased..

conantroutman said:
Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.
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See point 4 on my list. A project as small as you seems to have in mind, would never collect enough attention to be recognized as a competitor. it's just to small.
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Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.
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Neither is a "noob counter".
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This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.
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Following your argumentation that even small projects might contribute to the developer community, I'd like to express the thought, that even the first post of a completely new account could include the spark of genius that is needed to solve a problem for which even recognized developers could provide a solution since years. One should not use different standards to similar problems. :angel::laugh:
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Quality of a post is not only based on its contents, but on the manners of the poster as well. The phrase quoted would have made me hesitating to give a positive vote (neither would I rate it down, because your arguments help to figure out the pro and cons of my suggestion and we urgently need to discuss the boundaries of a new idea before doing a field test).
Cheers
Ponsel

Ponsel said:
See point 4 on my list. A project as small as you seems to have in mind, would never collect enough attention to be recognized as a competitor. it's just to small.
The examples given aren't really important, its the principle, just because something is popular does not make it any more relevant or valid. I'm also unsure where the idea of competition comes from. XDA is about collaboration not competition.
Neither is a "noob counter".
It's not a counter, it's a period of introduction to the forums and a chance to contribute to the community befor gaining access to the development forums. It's unfortunate that such measures are necessary but due to the majority of new member simply wishing to ask inane questions or make demands of the developers, they are necessary.
Following your argumentation that even small projects might contribute to the developer community, I'd like to express the thought, that even the first post of a completely new account could include the spark of genius that is needed to solve a problem for which even recognized developers could provide a solution since years. One should not use different standards to similar problems. :angel::laugh:
Very true and one of the major drawbacks to this rule. However, anyone with such knowledge will no doubt either make ten useful posts or alert the relevant party via PM. Anyone who has the attitude of "I know the answer but I'm not sharing it because of the ten post rule" is probably not suited to XDA.
Quality of a post is not only based on its contents, but on the manners of the poster as well. The phrase quoted would have made me hesitating to give a positive vote (neither would I rate it down, because your arguments help to figure out the pro and cons of my suggestion and we urgently need to discuss the boundaries of a new idea before doing a field test).
lol, the phrase you quoted here is my mobile signature and not directed at you or your post here
Cheers
Ponsel
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Responded to your points in red.

Here is my take on the 10-post "issue". I signed up for the forum a few days ago to hopefully get an answer regarding the win mobile phones and Ive searched for an answer and could not find one. I'm not a windows phone user so I dont have a lot of knowledge about the devices so Im not the best person to help (hence lowering my post count). So I have to reply with posts like this to be able to post a real question in the category I really want to post it in. I've asked the question in the Q&A section but because its flooded with everyone's questions I dont think people actually go there to help assist anyone (my short observation).

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Here is my take on the 10-post "issue". I signed up for the forum a few days ago to hopefully get an answer regarding the win mobile phones and Ive searched for an answer and could not find one. I'm not a windows phone user so I dont have a lot of knowledge about the devices so Im not the best person to help (hence lowering my post count). So I have to reply with posts like this to be able to post a real question in the category I really want to post it in. I've asked the question in the Q&A section but because its flooded with everyone's questions I dont think people actually go there to help assist anyone (my short observation).
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The development section is not the place for questions. I can assure that posting a question there will get you a response, however it won't be the one you want.

So here is my partial proposed solution to the issue. Upon signup, perhaps the users need to go through a rotating question system (10 questions?) and another captcha? This may take the user longer to sign up and be able to post but maybe there wont be so many abandoned user accounts, not sure if you have current viability on this or not.

Abandoned accounts is not the problem...
The problem is that people think that the dev area is for newb questions...it isn't...
Hence, the initial limitation posed to all, so that they atleast try and understand what this site is about...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"

Hangouts VOIP Audio is Broken -- Can We Figure Out Why, and Fix It?

[Okay... I'm posting this because or seems like there's a lot of chatter about this issue but for some reason it doesn't seen like a damned thing had been done about it, and that's not cool in my book. And yes, I'm cross-posting this between Android Development and Original Android Development, because it effects both groups.]
Okay... Having determined that this is something that I can't fix, I submit this logcat to the group:
http://pastebin.com/Av4P7H8Q
That is the result of me opening Hangouts and placing a VOIP call to a contract. The result is the ring-to call sound continues to play after the called party picks up, and they cannot hear any sound I make. Further, hanging up results (eventually) in Hangouts crashing (but the call not actually ending until then).
As you may (or may not know) using Hangouts VOIP calls is BORKED, and it has been for several days. This seems to affect all downstream CM12 ROMs, at least for the LG G3 D851.
Take a look at that logcat... It Is a MESS. Why are cameras being called ajillionty times for making a VOIP call? Why is there no path to the necessary VOIP_MIC component? When you realize that all 8000+ lines of this comprise *only a few seconds* just how...odd...things really are.
It is my understanding that this began after a pile of CM12 commits several days ago, but I'm not certain exactly when. I seem to remember someone is $droyd$'s Illusion ROM thread had the exact date(s).
Surely amongst all the developer brainpower we have amassed here we can figure this out...
So: any ideas?

Allow me to be that guy here.. You posted this in your AOSPA ROM thread stating people should basically know how to follow XDA policy.
CrusherJoe said:
Those of you that have read my AOSPAL 5.0 thread will already know this -- so new folks, this is for you: look at my profile and you'll see I've been a member of XDA for several years, and yet I have a shockingly low post count. In fact, the vast majority of my posts here have been in relation to the AOSPAL build. My search-fu and my Google-fu are strong. I search, read, search some more then read some more until I've learned enough to figure it out. I expect everyone that loads this ROM to have strong search and reading skills, and an IQ in the triple digits. I know that somehow, though, someone is going to post questions in this thread that have been asked and answered somewhere else. Not only will I not answer it, I'll waste valuable development time smacking my forehead and staring at my laptop display in stunned disbelief. Also, it makes the baby Cthulu cry.
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You then proceed to ask a question which is clearly not posted in the right section, whether you believe it's development related or not. I am not doubting whatever development skills you claim to have, and I mean no offense, but regardless of these made up internet titles your post would still be in the wrong area. Furthermore, there is a "Developer Only" area that would be more appropriate. You don't have to be a developer to post in there as long as you have something useful to bring to the table. This post should likely be moved there instead.

@NexusWarrior -- indeed, your logic is flawless. According to the rules, the "development" forums are only for posting release threads, and not for questions related to development. Therefore this post needs to be moved to the appropriate forum.
Would some kindly mod please combine the two threads and move them to the appropriate place? I would appreciate it!
Having said that, I'm going to keep it professional in regards to what appears to be trolling me for some reason I cannot fathom. I have never -- not once -- claimed an "internet title" nor have I sought preferential treatment due to the fact that I have compiled a couple of ROMs. I have never made any statements towards my skills -- or lack thereof -- as a developer. Whatever I have done to draw your ire, @NexusWarrior, I hope that publicly "shaming" me by calling me out on posting in the wrong forum has brought you some satisfaction.

NexusWarrior said:
Allow me to be that guy here.. You posted this in your AOSPA ROM thread stating people should basically know how to follow XDA policy.
You then proceed to ask a question which is clearly not posted in the right section, whether you believe it's development related or not. I am not doubting whatever development skills you claim to have, and I mean no offense, but regardless of these made up internet titles your post would still be in the wrong area. Furthermore, there is a "Developer Only" area that would be more appropriate. You don't have to be a developer to post in there as long as you have something useful to bring to the table. This post should likely be moved there instead.
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This guy is trying to solve an issue that is affecting lots people in this section and you want to give him a hard time. Mind your business and do something to contribute,if not mind your business. Sorry if this also didn't contribute. But Crusherjoe, your work is appreciated. Keep up the great work. Feel free to delete mods if need be

NexusWarrior said:
Allow me to be that guy here.. You posted this in your AOSPA ROM thread stating people should basically know how to follow XDA policy.
You then proceed to ask a question which is clearly not posted in the right section, whether you believe it's development related or not. I am not doubting whatever development skills you claim to have, and I mean no offense, but regardless of these made up internet titles your post would still be in the wrong area. Furthermore, there is a "Developer Only" area that would be more appropriate. You don't have to be a developer to post in there as long as you have something useful to bring to the table. This post should likely be moved there instead.
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Very kind of you to remind a forum contributor about "posting rules" meanwhile hangouts is still broken.....[emoji15]

I've created this post in the "dev only" forum. Please move any discussion on this subject to this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/devs-only/hangouts-voip-calling-broken-figure-fix-t2978600

NexusWarrior said:
Allow me to be that guy here.. You posted this in your AOSPA ROM thread stating people should basically know how to follow XDA policy.
You then proceed to ask a question which is clearly not posted in the right section, whether you believe it's development related or not. I am not doubting whatever development skills you claim to have, and I mean no offense, but regardless of these made up internet titles your post would still be in the wrong area. Furthermore, there is a "Developer Only" area that would be more appropriate. You don't have to be a developer to post in there as long as you have something useful to bring to the table. This post should likely be moved there instead.
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Seriously stfu
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Questions for Mi Max 3 owners

Looking to get some feedback from the actual device owners. Someone, who has this phone, the box and documentation that came with in their possession. I'm not interested in links to any websites, including official Xiaomi / Mi sites, or any specifications, pasted from a web source. I just want to hear back from device owners. If you do not own the device and have thoughts/opinions to share, please create another thread for that purpose. Thank you for understanding
Does the phone variant you have support wireless charging? If not - have you tried using wireless charging receiver with it, something like this one?
Can you list FDD-LTE bands your phone supports? They should be published either on the product box or inside the documentation that came with (again - no web links or sources, please)
If you don't mind sharing - where did you buy yours from?
TIA

Sir, please know if this thread turns into this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3819107
It will be quickly closed too, and there won't be a third. And I'll be subbed to this one. :good:
Keep it civil and respectful folks.
Thanks!
Darth
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Edit : And again, you cannot control who posts here. You'll need to open your own site for that. Not sure why you'd start out on the wrong foot again?

Darth said:
Sir, please know if this thread turns into this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3819107
It will be quickly closed too, and there won't be a third. And I'll be subbed to this one. :good:
Keep it civil and respectful folks.
Thanks!
Darth
Senior Moderator
Edit : And again, you cannot control who posts here. You'll need to open your own site for that. Not sure why you'd start out on the wrong foot again?
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Since you closed the other thread, I replied to your comments and your decision to close it in private, but if you want an answer here - I'm absolutely fine with that. The answer to your question is: I don't consider having started anything on the wrong foot, either now or ever. Targeting specifically device owners with questions is not unprecedented, not against forum rules and is actually quite common on XDA. There are hundreds of threads, where people ask owners for device review, or ask questions like "where did you buy it from?" or "How is the battery life?" - all of these can only be answered by someone, who owns the device. On the other hand, your notion or "suggestion" that there is something wrong with asking for owners' feedback is rather uncommon, and unprecedented in my 10+ years of experience as XDA member (and a lot longer as unregistered reader). I am sincerely hoping you will reconsider your position and retract your comments. In other thread, which you closed, I provided details explanations why I want feedback from owners (even though I didn't owe anyone explanation about target audience for my questions), so I'm not gonna repeat it here. There is really, absolutely nothing wrong with asking for owners feedback/advice and it is done all the time - let me know if you want some examples of such other XDA threads.

Apo11on said:
Since you closed the other thread, I replied to your comments and your decision to close it in private, but if you want an answer here - I'm absolutely fine with that. The answer to your question is: I don't consider having started anything on the wrong foot, either now or ever. Targeting specifically device owners with questions is not unprecedented, not against forum rules and is actually quite common on XDA. There are hundreds of threads, where people ask owners for device review, or ask questions like "where did you buy it from?" or "How is the battery life?" - all of these can only be answered by someone, who owns the device. On the other hand, your notion or "suggestion" that there is something wrong with asking for owners' feedback is rather uncommon, and unprecedented in my 10+ years of experience as XDA member (and a lot longer as unregistered reader). I am sincerely hoping you will reconsider your position and retract your comments. In other thread, which you closed, I provided details explanations why I want feedback from owners (even though I didn't owe anyone explanation about target audience for my questions), so I'm not gonna repeat it here. There is really, absolutely nothing wrong with asking for owners feedback/advice and it is done all the time - let me know if you want some examples of such other XDA threads.
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I won't reply to anything above here. That can be discussed privately.
All I've asked is for this thread to remain respectful for every one, unlike the last one, or it's fate will be the same. Never once did I imply the topic is invalid, only the senseless arguing was.
Thank you. :good:

As a suggestion: you could contact Xiaomi support. I'm sure they'd give you a more trustworthy answer than anything you read posted here, as you can't verify the poster is telling the truth. So, as the saying goes, get it from the horse's mouth - and then you could inform the community of your findings.

Nope no wireless charging.. have a whole bunch of wireless chargers from my Nexus 6, LG G3, S7 Edge and S9 Plus. It's physically impossible to have one too.
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This is going no where as such
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root able version note 10+

Which is better exynos or snapdragon version?
And is stable root and twrp available for snapdragon version?

Although is fine to ask when not knowing about something, it is better to seek ane read before posting questions, what you are asking has been discused at lenght in this note 10+ forum, do a search, and read the whole threads

winol said:
Although is fine to ask when not knowing about something, it is better to seek ane read before posting questions, what you are asking has been discused at lenght in this note 10+ forum, do a search, and read the whole threads
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Point me to the right thread, please

fizzingbees said:
Point me to the right thread, please
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im sure you can figure out how to use the search button, if not you probably shouldn't be rooting anyway lol.
but to answer your question quickly exynos is better for development as most developers have that version. there is some stuff available for snaps but not near as much as exynos.

Sorry it's being made hard on you.
Honestly look up the development section of this device. You'll get a better idea which phone will work for you, snapdragon rootable or exynos.
I prefer the snapdragon version, but you might like the all in ones baked for the exynos. That's where I'd look to see what development I'd get with which.

Just hard to believe that this question still comes up. The 1st thing I do before I buy any device is check what development is available for the device im looking at. I done bother looking when getting my carrier device because I know there is never anything..lol
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force70 said:
im sure you can figure out how to use the search button, if not you probably shouldn't be rooting anyway lol.
but to answer your question quickly exynos is better for development as most developers have that version. there is some stuff available for snaps but not near as much as exynos.
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You know instead of snapping back at me with the same old use search button, you could have given me a am actual direct link
You do realize that I am not a noob, that I know what search button is for and that I have used it to no avail and the purpose of creating this post was to find a direct link to or solution to the problem.
I know exynos development is active, but I was interested in snapdragon and that's why I created this post.
Please be nice and respect others. If you at having bad day, I wish, whatever God you believe in help you, but don't make others secondary victims of your frustration

coilbio said:
Sorry it's being made hard on you.
Honestly look up the development section of this device. You'll get a better idea which phone will work for you, snapdragon rootable or exynos.
I prefer the snapdragon version, but you might like the all in ones baked for the exynos. That's where I'd look to see what development I'd get with which.
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I did and didn't found anything substantial for snapdragons.
My country sells both variants and rooting and development is important to me.
But exynos seems perfect for development even though exynos variant performance is weaker than snapdragons and I prefer snapdragons

butchieboy said:
Just hard to believe that this question still comes up. The 1st thing I do before I buy any device is check what development is available for the device im looking at. I done bother looking when getting my carrier device because I know there is never anything..lol
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That's what I am doing.
Checking for rooting and development before buying the phone.
Like I mentioned I prefer snapdragon varient but I am having hard time finding anything substantial for snapdragons on note 10 + forums.
There is lot of active development for exynos.
That's why I created this thread so that if I am for whatever reasons not able to find rooting solution for snapdragon then maybe someone else may have seen a post and point me in right direction

Chinese variant N9750 can he rooted.
USA models N975U and N975U1 can not be rooted at all yet (no time frame for when either, refer to bounty thread for more details).

fizzingbees said:
You know instead of snapping back at me with the same old use search button, you could have given me a am actual direct link
You do realize that I am not a noob, that I know what search button is for and that I have used it to no avail and the purpose of creating this post was to find a direct link to or solution to the problem.
I know exynos development is active, but I was interested in snapdragon and that's why I created this post.
Please be nice and respect others. If you at having bad day, I wish, whatever God you believe in help you, but don't make others secondary victims of your frustration
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well since you asked... in general and in real life lazy people who want to be spoonfed are the source of my frustration and also why i hardly ever bother coming here anymore since that had become rampant. Im not saying you are that guy based on one post but because you were so defensive it makes me wonder.
now....its not so much that exynos development is active...its more that development for even rootable versions of the snapdragon has historically been maybe 10% of what it is for exynos. You would get root and sometimes twrp and a couple of roms but it was very limited unfortunately.
years ago the exynos was a better device but of course as we all know the tables have turned and it's nowhere near the performance of the snapdragon devices. you would think that due to that the development for unlockable snapdragons would have taken off but for whatever reason it hasnt.
its a tough call which way to go but for me personally these days i refuse to pay the same or more money in my country for a subpar exynos version even if it means im locked down on the snapdragon. And most who know me here know I was a huge exynos guy for years and years lol.
the Note 9 was my last exynos samsung and likely will be for awhile until samsung can fix their crappy chip issues lol
here is the twrp thread for the note snapdragon
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/development/recovery-twrp-3-3-1-snapdragon-t3975603

force70 said:
well since you asked... in general and in real life lazy people who want to be spoonfed are the source of my frustration and also why i hardly ever bother coming here anymore since that had become rampant. Im not saying you are that guy based on one post but because you were so defensive it makes me wonder.
now....its not so much that exynos development is active...its more that development for even rootable versions of the snapdragon has historically been maybe 10% of what it is for exynos. You would get root and sometimes twrp and a couple of roms but it was very limited unfortunately.
years ago the exynos was a better device but of course as we all know the tables have turned and it's nowhere near the performance of the snapdragon devices. you would think that due to that the development for unlockable snapdragons would have taken off but for whatever reason it hasnt.
its a tough call which way to go but for me personally these days i refuse to pay the same or more money in my country for a subpar exynos version even if it means im locked down on the snapdragon. And most who know me here know I was a huge exynos guy for years and years lol.
the Note 9 was my last exynos samsung and likely will be for awhile until samsung can fix their crappy chip issues lol
here is the twrp thread for the note snapdragon
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/development/recovery-twrp-3-3-1-snapdragon-t3975603
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I asked an honest question after trying to find the answer myself and failing, which you, sir misinterpreted and now your mind is also stereotyping me.
Can you please stop jumping to conclusions.
And find other ways to dispel your frustration and anger. We am not your punching bag.
Yes i accept that questions like this on every device forum are very common and at times can frustrate certain users, but social media platform is not an outlet to blow your steam or troll someone.
I reacted defensively because I felt disrespected.
If you don't want to come here, then don't. No one is forcing your hand to contribute. But if you do decide to type a reply, then maybe write a productive one instead of a sarcastic one.
Thank you for the link.
And thanks for your input on exynos and snapdragon. I feel the same as you. If we are shelling out dollars then we should be getting the best the manufacture has to offer instead of subpar device
But unfortunately with the direction things are going unlocking bootloader, rooting and twrp recoveries are getting harder,let alone custom roms.

This is not exactly "a social media" Site, but, everyone must be respectful, yes, I agree, For the other part, it was apparwnt that you wanted answers that have been already given in already old threads, I began viditing the note10+ forum since it started, even before having the device, which occurred 1 month later, That is why I can tell you thet the advice you are seeking, has existed since months ago, I really can not undersatnd why you could not find it, when I first answered your post, I just told you to search diligently, but, well

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This is not exactly "a social media" Site, but, everyone must be respectful, yes, I agree, For the other part, it was apparwnt that you wanted answers that have been already given in already old threads, I began viditing the note10+ forum since it started, even before having the device, which occurred 1 month later, That is why I can tell you thet the advice you are seeking, has existed since months ago, I really can not undersatnd why you could not find it, when I first answered your post, I just told you to search diligently, but, well
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Social media is any online community where people can come and share ideas, guides, give advise or contribute to the community.
Even if xda is not labelled as social media website, it by its very essence is one. Thus all members should by respectful of others. If you don't like what someone wrote, then dont reply them back to give fuel to fire.
I don't know why, maybe it's the xda labs app or wrong search keywords or something else.
Anyways I am thankful for those who positively contributed even @force70 for sharing the link.

fizzingbees said:
Social media is any online community where people can come and share ideas, guides, give advise or contribute to the community.
Even if xda is not labelled as social media website, it by its very essence is one. Thus all members should by respectful of others. If you don't like what someone wrote, then dont reply them back to give fuel to fire.
I don't know why, maybe it's the xda labs app or wrong search keywords or something else.
Anyways I am thankful for those who positively contributed even @force70 for sharing the link.
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Respectfully I disagree on a few things..
First a discussion board and social media website are two different things. As a discussion board we discuss a specific subject via threads placed into specific topics. We are not microblogging on all sorts various subjects with the implied goal of creating a virtual network.
Second the direction the thread took at first is what happens when rule #3 is not followed and rule #2.1 is overlooked.
What I am submitting in the rest of this reply is only a couple observations on the thread progression and a few suggestions (with explanations) on how this can be avoided in the future.
Rule #2.1 states "Conversely, while reading posts from other members, remember that the word you find offensive may not be offensive to the writer. Tolerance is a two-way street."... It is important that when one reads a post here a bit of indifference has to be given to the wording used by others. Yes we all will use different context when replying, but our replies are also shaped by what someone wrote that we are replying too.
Your original post consisted of 2 questions (related to snapdragon/exynos root and Snapdragon TWRP) and your subsequent post just asked for a thread link. It was only later on (after force70's response) that you included the details over what you were really trying to find (your interest on snapdragon root) and that you have searched but couldn't find anything substantial on it.
If you had been forthcoming with a more clear image of what you were seeking, what you had done and what problems you encountered the outcome of the discussion would have been much different... This is also why rule #3 is an important one for the best results.

scottusa2008 said:
Respectfully I disagree on a few things..
First a discussion board and social media website are two different things. As a discussion board we discuss a specific subject via threads placed into specific topics. We are not microblogging on all sorts various subjects with the implied goal of creating a virtual network.
Second the direction the thread took at first is what happens when rule #3 is not followed and rule #2.1 is overlooked.
What I am submitting in the rest of this reply is only a couple observations on the thread progression and a few suggestions (with explanations) on how this can be avoided in the future.
Rule #2.1 states "Conversely, while reading posts from other members, remember that the word you find offensive may not be offensive to the writer. Tolerance is a two-way street."... It is important that when one reads a post here a bit of indifference has to be given to the wording used by others. Yes we all will use different context when replying, but our replies are also shaped by what someone wrote that we are replying too.
Your original post consisted of 2 questions (related to snapdragon/exynos root and Snapdragon TWRP) and your subsequent post just asked for a thread link. It was only later on (after force70's response) that you included the details over what you were really trying to find (your interest on snapdragon root) and that you have searched but couldn't find anything substantial on it.
If you had been forthcoming with a more clear image of what you were seeking, what you had done and what problems you encountered the outcome of the discussion would have been much different... This is also why rule #3 is an important one for the best results.
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Thank for your observation.
I agree with you that my OP wasn't very clear.I'll keep that in mind with my future post(s)
You just stated that tolerance is a two way street. If someone can't tolerate what they believe is a noob question then isn't it better not to reply back with a nonproductive generic comment that neither helps or resolves OP question?
Moreover stating that "lazy people aggravate me and although I am not stating you are the one but your reply makes me wonder the same". Tell me isn't this blowing off your steam and frustration. Also isn't this stereotyping someone you barely know about, let alone judge from a single post?
I have no personal beef with force70. Infact I thanked this member for their provided link. I am not trying to pick up fight. Just stating the obvious... To respect others and to helps others positively.
I didnt wanted to have this thread take such toxic turn. Apologies on my part..

fizzingbees said:
Thank for your observation.
I agree with you that my OP wasn't very clear.I'll keep that in mind with my future post(s)
You just stated that tolerance is a two way street. If someone can't tolerate what they believe is a noob question then isn't it better not to reply back with a nonproductive generic comment that neither helps or resolves OP question?
Moreover stating that "lazy people aggravate me and although I am not stating you are the one but your reply makes me wonder the same". Tell me isn't this blowing off your steam and frustration. Also isn't this stereotyping someone you barely know about, let alone judge from a single post?
I have no personal beef with force70. Infact I thanked this member for their provided link. I am not trying to pick up fight. Just stating the obvious... To respect others and to helps others positively.
I didnt wanted to have this thread take such toxic turn. Apologies on my part..
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This is by no means toxic.. not even close. So no worries, stuff happens. Important thing here is you got some info you could use.
Though I did say I was only posting my observations and suggestions so you can avoid situations like this in the future.
In no way was my reply an indication of intent to get into a discussion over why someone replied a certain way. With respect I will not be engaging on the subject matter.

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This is by no means toxic.. not even close. So no worries, stuff happens. Important thing here is you got some info you could use.
Though I did say I was only posting my observations and suggestions so you can avoid situations like this in the future.
In no way was my reply an indication of intent to get into a discussion over why someone replied a certain way. With respect I will not be engaging on the subject matter.
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Sometimes our inner arguments spill out.
At people we so care about
I wish everyone reading this a nice peaceful day.

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I'm not here to get into the Gray Zone when it comes to what is tolerated in a certain forum, so I will keep it short and sweet. Does anybody know if the S-N975W note 10+ Snapdragon can be rooted and point me in the correct direction. I've been searching and attempting for days now and have not succeeded, despite some of the Articles i followed stated that root with this model is possible but Odin fails before completion every time. I finally broke down and decided to ask a question as I'm hoping somebody can you give me an answer or share a link 2 the steps of rooting my phone before I use it to kill myself? I have rooted many devices but cannot seem to get this bootloader unlocked despite following instructions that tell me it is possible and I used the correct and suggested firmware and bootloader files and odin versions and all. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Now.... As for the person asking about the Samsung exynos or snapdragon I would recommend Samsung exynos if you are looking for a phone that is easily modified and best for development. If you are into gaming or filming I would suggest the Snapdragon but you are limiting yourself if you cannot unlock the phone..... in that case you would be in my situation LOL.

TWiiTCH said:
Does anybody know if the S-N975W note 10+ Snapdragon can be rooted and point me in the correct direction. I've been searching and attempting for days now and have not succeeded, despite some of the Articles i followed stated that root with this model is possible but Odin fails before completion every time.
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Only snapdragon model I know of that can be rooted is the N9750 (Chinese variant).
If you can't find a root tutorial or Rom development here on XDA (whether using the search function of the forum or just by looking through the pages) for the N975W it means no root is possible at this time.. If it was possible then something would have been posted here on XDA for sure.
I used the search function on the forum and searched the Note 10+ individual topics using different keywords and just the model number N975W.
I found zero root tutorials or custom roms for the N975W.