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So...What's next?

Here we are 2 years later with our Droid Razr M's. Contracts are ending. Official updates are done. ROM maintainers are leaving. Development is slowing.
And I'm wondering...
Where are you going from here?
Will you be staying with the M?
Leaving?
I'll be leaving in 3 months or so, My Verizon contract will be finished and I'll be picking up a Moto G (2014) and floating around the pre-paid market for awhile.
And finally...
Do you enjoy the Razr M?
I very much dislike the Razr M. I personally don't care about "specs" but The Razr M is a little too small for me (I dislike the shape immensely) and the lack of internal storage has always been a issue. I hate having to move updated system apps/libs back to the /system partition just to save internal storage space . I came from a 32GB Galaxy Nexus so... It's been a tough adjustment.
When I first starting using this device, it suffered from SOD's (Sleep of Death). Which made the device unusable until the bootloader exploit was released (The first time around) and I was able to remove MP-Decision. Moto fixed this issue with the last two JB updates and I no longer had to disable MP-Decision, which was nice. The performance and battery life has been great though and much better then my Galaxy Nexus.
And last but not least is the terrible display. PenTile display on such a small screen tends to distorts text. It's... just terrible.
To sum it up, I just don't like the Razr M. I got it for "free" on upgrade (this was before the $30 upgrade fee that Verizon is pushing now) and this was the best "free" device at the time.

I also picked up my M in the same way you did. It was an upgrade and it was my very first smartphone, so I liked the size. I used it for about 9 months, then purchased a used HD (the mod bug bit me). I relegated the M to media duty and it does just fine.
However, with the M being my first smartphone, I had nothing to compare it to, until I purchased my M8 a few months ago. My HD seemed to perform better than my M, but the M8 blows those out of the water.
I like M, there's really nothing bad about it. However, it's an older entry-level phone and the newer ones kill it. Step up to a flagship like I did with the M8, and the M will feel archaic.
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ATTACK said:
And I'm wondering...
Where are you going from here?
Will you be staying with the M?
Leaving?
...
And finally...
Do you enjoy the Razr M?
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My experience is not typical and may not be of much reference value to others, but I still would like to share.
M is to be liked for many reasons. It has a sleek and modern look (especially the narrow bezel and kevlar), it is pretty lightweight, it has by far the best CDMA and GPS reception I've ever seen (cold start and locked on in 3 secs), it serves me well as a hotspot and GPS device which are exactly my intended purposes. With CM11 on board it doesn't seem to slow down much compared to my primary phone, the Nexus 4. And overclockable to ~2GHz. Guess it could still take the challenge of CM12 Plus I don't care about Pentile and stuff, as long as it's not 480p on 5 inch, and as long as it's not as blue as Galaxy S's SAMOLED, I'm perfectly fine with it.
However, its shape is indeed a bit small and rough in hand, and in this sense, Moto G did a way better job. I think it should be a 4.5" crammed into a 4.3" body instead of a 4.3" into 4". Moreover, it does heat up pretty fast during use, and that somehow affects battery life.
Like I said, M is just one of the "wingman" devices I own for misc purposes, and I switch these devices pretty often (watch my signature). However, I don't think I'll be swapping away M in the near future, because it's already one of the best backup device I've had. Power and simplicity in a compact package.
P.S. I'm going to try my luck to trade my Xperia SP away for a Galaxy Mega 6.3, hopefully it's worth it.
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do you think that the moto g (2014) is better than the razr m?? or there is a non expensive phone that can be much better than the m

Broloff said:
do you think that the moto g (2014) is better than the razr m?? or there is a non expensive phone that can be much better than the m
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I don't think the Moto G (2014) is much better than the Razr M. They both have there gives and takes. It's a cheap off-contract phone, that's why I'll be picking one up.

i will stay with my razr m until this little guy gets enough of being flashed, i'm going to check other phones btw but you recommend me to stay on stock rom or go with CM11?, because the only thing that keeps me to go to CM11 is the camera quality and the 60FPS video mode

Was there any Roms available if you took the ota?
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ATTACK said:
I don't think the Moto G (2014) is much better than the Razr M. They both have there gives and takes. It's a cheap off-contract phone, that's why I'll be picking one up.
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i will stay with my razr m until this little guy gets enough of being flashed, i'm going to check other phones btw but you recommend me to stay on stock rom or go with CM11?, because the only thing that keeps me to go to CM11 is the camera quality and the 60FPS video mode

Broloff said:
i will stay with my razr m until this little guy gets enough of being flashed, i'm going to check other phones btw but you recommend me to stay on stock rom or go with CM11?, because the only thing that keeps me to go to CM11 is the camera quality and the 60FPS video mode
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I'm on stock. Right now CM11 kbbl has to many issues.
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ATTACK said:
I'm on stock. Right now CM11 kbbl has to many issues.
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i installed the CM11 KK BL, is very smooth and i don't have any bluetooth,wifi and mic issues, except that the screen recording reboots my phone, the camera doesn't have the 60fps mode and HDR, the GPS don't work, the speaker has low volume and the voicenotes on whatsapp are not working (the voicenotes are silent) even if i send one to other phone , when this in stock works pretty well, these are the reasons that keeps me to use CM11 as a daily driver, right now i'm using the stock (183.46.15)

Broloff said:
i installed the CM11 KK BL, is very smooth and i don't have any bluetooth,wifi and mic issues, except that the screen recording reboots my phone, the camera doesn't have the 60fps mode and HDR, the GPS don't work, the speaker has low volume and the voicenotes on whatsapp are not working (the voicenotes are silent) even if i send one to other phone , when this in stock works pretty well, these are the reasons that keeps me to use CM11 as a daily driver, right now i'm using the stock (183.46.15)
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I'm on stock. Right now CM11 kbbl has to many issues.
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*sigh* Why not just fall back to JB BL?
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AndyYan said:
*sigh* Why not just fall back to JB BL?
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Because I don't want too. Stock is working fine for me.

ATTACK said:
Here we are 2 years later with our Droid Razr M's. Contracts are ending. Official updates are done. ROM maintainers are leaving. Development is slowing.
And I'm wondering...
Where are you going from here?
Will you be staying with the M?
Leaving?
I'll be leaving in 3 months or so, My Verizon contract will be finished and I'll be picking up a Moto G (2014) and floating around the pre-paid market for awhile.
And finally...
Do you enjoy the Razr M?
I very much dislike the Razr M. I personally don't care about "specs" but The Razr M is a little too small for me (I dislike the shape immensely) and the lack of internal storage has always been a issue. I hate having to move updated system apps/libs back to the /system partition just to save internal storage space . I came from a 32GB Galaxy Nexus so... It's been a tough adjustment.
When I first starting using this device, it suffered from SOD's (Sleep of Death). Which made the device unusable until the bootloader exploit was released (The first time around) and I was able to remove MP-Decision. Moto fixed this issue with the last two JB updates and I no longer had to disable MP-Decision, which was nice. The performance and battery life has been great though and much better then my Galaxy Nexus.
And last but not least is the terrible display. PenTile display on such a small screen tends to distorts text. It's... just terrible.
To sum it up, I just don't like the Razr M. I got it for "free" on upgrade (this was before the $30 upgrade fee that Verizon is pushing now) and this was the best "free" device at the time.
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I still have a year to go on my current contract; I got my Razr M for "99 cents" last November. It was an early Christmas present from some relatives, as my then-6-year-old Samsung Alias had taken a deadly fall.
I honestly don't know what I'll be doing a year from now. Sure, I'd love a better phone, but I'm really too broke to buy anything significantly better. (I was able to pick up a Galaxy Nexus on the cheap recently, which I'm keeping as a backup phone.) Maybe I'll buy a used Moto G for cheap and go prepaid.
The Razr M is technically my first smartphone; I had a Droid X2 (donated by someone who went to an iPhone), but simply used it as a Wi-Fi device. Either way, it was one heck of a step up - it was my first foray into having Internet access anywhere, after all, as well as Jellybean in general (it was on the penultimate JB firmware when I unboxed it; I fatfingered an OTA two days later and was thereafter locked out of custom ROMs until KitKat and Towelroot came along). I was more or less wowed by it.
Time passed, of course. I educated myself. I slowly started to become frustrated with the Razr M's shortcomings, simultaneously justifying the phone choice and kicking myself for said frustration because it was my relatives who picked and bought it for me - I'd probably still be on a feature phone and nowhere near writing this post otherwise.
I like the size of the phone, at least while it's in the Otterbox case I got for it. It's just the right fit for one-handed use. I like the overall performance - it rarely lags enough to frustrate me, and it handles every game I've thrown at it fairly well. What I don't like is the small internal storage (I haven't really looked into solutions for moving apps to the microSD). I don't like the fact that I went from two days of moderate use (on my Alias) to less than half of one (on a "light" day, I might get 14 hours). I wish the camera was better; the Galaxy Nexus takes better pictures in my opinion. I wish the screen wasn't PenTile, or at least that the resolution was higher. I don't like that it now has two separate bootloaders and we have to reflash JBBL for the more-stable CM right now (I'm sticking it out with KKBL, simply because I'm lazy, scared I'll make a mistake, and still hopeful that the remaining issues will be fixed before long).
I'm dreading the inevitable day when the Razr M community plummets and I (and the dozen or so other late-contractors) am left behind with only each other for help. Life happens, I guess.
If anyone has a Droid Razr Maxx that they're selling for a low price ... let me get back to you in 2015. :/​

I'll definitely be getting a different brand. Probably go back to Samsung. I hate how adamant Motorola is in patching root exploits. It's my ****ing device, I paid for it, let me use it the way I want!

eulogy1337 said:
I'll definitely be getting a different brand. Probably go back to Samsung. I hate how adamant Motorola is in patching root exploits. It's my ****ing device, I paid for it, let me use it the way I want!
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It's really not really Motorola entirely... It's more Verizon... I understand the logic behind it... They want to be able to provide the best possible assistance in the event we call for technical support... Don't get a device from Verizon or a Verizon branded device if you want to ensure there will be some hope...
We cannot teach people anything; we can only help them discover it within themselves.

What's next? Next is finding ways unlock root and boot on 183.46.15 firmware

eulogy1337 said:
I'll definitely be getting a different brand. Probably go back to Samsung. I hate how adamant Motorola is in patching root exploits. It's my ****ing device, I paid for it, let me use it the way I want!
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Samsung is not much better.[emoji6]
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I am about to fall back to the JB BL... Stock KK Sucks, the issues with AOSP on the KK is maddening. So close, but just annoying enough to not want to deal with it. Hats off to the Devs that made great builds with what they had to work with. CM10 was flawless....
I am probably going to be stuck with this phone until next May. It is a work phone and we get new ones when the owner of the company comes back from Florida every spring. Unless,,,, my phone "accidentally" breaks or something.

eulogy1337 said:
I'll definitely be getting a different brand. Probably go back to Samsung. I hate how adamant Motorola is in patching root exploits. It's my ****ing device, I paid for it, let me use it the way I want!
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It's Verizon, all non-Verizon Motorola phones can be bootloader unlocked using the official way on their webside. Only by Verizon it can be done only on developer edition phones. And many other Verizon phones by other brands than Motorola have the same problems with unlocking bootloader.
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I'm going to buy the OnePlus if I can. My friend got one, just waiting on an invite code.
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Nexus 5x replacement

Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!

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I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!
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OnePlus 3T is too much of a f'ing brick. Way too large for a phone.
I would probably go for the OnePlus X but it's not sold anywhere.
I would go for the Xperia X Compact (23MP camera! and nice size!) but no official Lineago OS support, so sadly a no.
I should clarify that I also require LTE bands 4, 12 (T-Mobile) and maybe even 17 (at&t) ...

You know after looking around the choices if you want good support by aftermarket ROMs and Lineage is either something like the OnePlus or the Honor 5X. (The 6X and the 8 still have some issues in development of custom roms, but the 8 is further along than the 6X). Or spend big bucks and get one of the mainstream Samsung S# devices...
I just bought one of the Honor 5Xs for my wife actually and just went through unlocking the bootloader, and installing Lineage. I must say Im impressed with, for $150 phone its not that far from or Nexus 5X. When I get back home (traveling for work right now) I want to load some games to it and see how it does. For basic tasks it seems great. Battery life has been great for her so far, and build quality is good. Most of important, official Lineage support. So while the specs being a little behind the our 5X had me a little worried, once I had in my hands I was pleasantly surprised. For the price, no complaints.

I feel ya, same here as far as the T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. How about swappa.com on finding a OnePlus X

andTab said:
Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
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Yeah, and no Samsung or Iphone, no Huawei, Xi or ZTE either i'd imagine as they have all had problems worse or similar.
There will be problems with phones as long as new tech is pushed out faster than the tech is ready. I'd go with a Pixel phone which is in essence a HTC device which you apparently don't like.
So, Nokia 3310? It won't fail you.

Honor 8?

Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.

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Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.

andTab said:
Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.
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Nope. I know all about the boot loops. No issues whatsoever with my 5x. Best value in a phone ever for me @ $249. And from what I've read those that bought from Google store, as I did, aren't getting ditched to LG for support. Also seen plenty of happy Pixel users too. If I still wanted to root/ROM there would be more options fore sure but I don't and I no longer can stand any other phones with their F-ed up UI, bloat and never having updates. As a Fi user I also couldn't be happier never ever having to deal with a major carrier again. Yeah, sure, I'm pissed at Google for abandoning the idea of disruptively affordable devices in the US but I'd still rather deal with them than a carrier, OEM or other reseller. Not fooled even once.
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Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Not sure on why you are so hell bent on thinking I'm delusional. I'm speaking only of my actual experience not others. Dollar for dollar the 5X is the best I've had. I'm very aware of the boot loop issue and acknowledge it's real. I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing defect in all 5X phones ever made though. If you have some proof of that I really would be interested in it. Really, I would. Not because I dispute what you say but because I just havn't seen any proof that it's every phone.
Truth is even if I do get the loop I only spent $250 for the thing. I've easily got my money's worth out of it when compared to >$800 other options. Phones are tools not jewels. The cheaper the better. If there's another phone you know of that's not bloated, doesn't have a modded UI, get's security updates every month and get's new Android versions promptly then I'm all ears. Seriously.

If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
That is what I bought my wife and its pretty reliable for her (and easy to fix, as usual she hulk smashed the screen after about 3 months and I fixed it no problem)
BUT I am also very interested to see what HMD/Nokia do with their new phones. I have always been a Nokia fan. So it would be nice to get quality hardware with a widely supported OS (my brain thinks back to my old 8800 with Symbian S40)

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Who gave the info that 100% of 5X is defected?
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Pixel is the ONLY replacement for me. But:
1) Is expensive (for a 24 months update device) and we don't know whether is gonna bootloop or not.
2) Still has the same random ****ty compass decalibration that I had with my previous Nexus and only haven't had with my current work's iPhone 5S (that works amazing in any historic centre in places with tiny labyrinth streets like Barcelona). This is the worst part of the Nexus and Pixels. And still using Google Maps. I think Compass issues are one of the Top 3 complains in the Google product forums. And they still haven't fixed it in the hardware or firmware of their products..
3) still lacking the old N5 OIS. But this is compensated with the great HDR+ that only the Nexus / Pixel have. IMO.
4) And the Pixel is still big compared to the iPhones or the old Moto X or Galaxy Nexus.
Vs iPhones this is compensated with the non-physical/virtual buttons that make the phones​ easier to be used​ with one hand all the time.
(In fact I find and iPhone 7 with that terrible home button...and some back buttons..and that landscape multitasking....as difficult as a phablet, but still is a perfect size and nice shape to use with one hand)
Now Vs the old Gnexus or Moto X...is still more difficult. I'm one handing a 6P half of my time though... But I still miss the X or Gnexus shape/size.
On the contrary I used a Z5 Compact, smaller phone, and is not more comfortable than a Nexus 5...because of the terrible rectangular shape and is slippery material. So the size of the phone is not what only matters. Material and ergonomic shape is important as well.
Extra: there is still no stock, only released in 5 countries, and I'm not that hyped after so many months since release date. Specially now that I'm got a 6P with a new battery (original Huawei was terrible messed). But still is a huge phone compared to the Pixel.
And my priority:
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
BTW: I've just bought another 5X from Amazon (used) for my GF, at less than 220€. If the Manufactured date is OCT2015 I'll instant return it. Otherwise, I'll intensively try it for 30 days, if it doesn't boot loop I'll take my chances.
For the same price I was considering a Moto G5 with 3GB of RAM (this is the best part of this device) but 16GB Internal and I don't really like the camera, at least in low light, plus the SoC is old and both phones will update to Android O.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
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Most of sites giving Pixel critical reviews are just whining that Google is now charging the prices like Apple, Samsung, or LG. Otherwise, its hardware remains top notch, and the software will be always ahead of competition in terms of security updates and major releases. Some people can make the case that the Samsung Galaxy S8 is now the best Android smartphone. But I suspect that people who are used to stock and lean Android ROMs and speedy software updates would disagree with that.
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andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
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I think someone from Google or LG said that only 15% or so of those devices were affected with the bootloop problem.
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.

el_mariachi_4 said:
If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
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Moto X Pure is a good value, but I think the new Moto G5 Plus (4G RAM version) has surpassed it. The problem with Moto X Pure is that Nougat is the last Android update it will ever receive (while Moto G5 Plus was launched with Nougat) and there is no fingerprint sensor. Otherwise, the big and accurate screen as well as stereo speakers still make MXP a compelling phone for a whole lot of people.

Akopps said:
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.
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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

andTab said:
Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12
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Seems that there is no such thing...

shut_down said:
Seems that there is no such thing...
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Lenovo Zuk Z2? It's on sale all the time as well and can be had for as low as 170 USD.
http://gsmarena.com/lenovo_zuk_z2-8125.php
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switch to Z2 Play, any good?

Hi all,
i'm contemplating a change of phones. From LG G4 to Motorola Moto Z2 Play because i could get a pretty nice deal on it. I would like to ask the community here for their opinions. I already saw that is has an overall good rating. Questions are, is there anything i should be aware of if i switch? How's the ROM, bloatware wise? Heat issues, battery issues, GPS issues, known problems and so on. LG G4 has a lot of them and im kinda tired of them, although i love the camera and the GPS precision. Any input is welcomed
Thanks!

The ROM is virtually stock Android. There is no bloatware. Just a couple Moto apps that I think are quite useful.
I ahev experienced no heat issues. My previous DD was a Moto X Pure and that joker got hot.
The battery is awesome. I've not ever experienced this kind of life.
I have not had any GPS or other issues.
Some say the camera is not wonderful, but it functions well enough for me. Afterall, I'm more interested in the radio, since it is a phone with a camera, as opposed to a camera with a phone.
Below is my review, stacking it against the Moto X4. I've had it 5 months now and still feel the same. I love it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75005756&postcount=5

I just downgraded (so to speak) from the S8 to the Z2 Play. No regret whatsoever. The only thing I have to get used to is the lower resolution. Other than that, it's a solid mid-range phone (physically as opposed to glass, and as a device) that feels like a flagship (bar the aforementioned screen resolution).
If you like stock Android I doubt you'll regret it.

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I just downgraded (so to speak) from the S8 to the Z Play. No regret whatsoever. The only thing I have to get used to is the lower resolution. Other than that, it's a solid mid-range phone (physically as opposed to glass, and as a device) that feels like a flagship (bar the aforementioned screen resolution).
If you like stock Android I doubt you'll regret it.
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This thread is for the Z2 Play

Yeah that's what I meant sorry. I have the Z2 Play.

thanks for your replies!

I had a handful of g4s. They all went bad and a 5x too. Camera on the g4 was stunning. Low light with the ois was amazing. The hardware was otherwise garbage but looked gorgeous. The LG software was fabulous if you use it in a work environment where you need solid MS exchange services. Asop exchange sucks. Motorola also has solid exchange support. I'm going to say Motorola builds the most durable hardware of any smartphone except the really old blackberries. Moto has been my choice for years. The problem with Moto had always been the cameras. They were horrible. I had the z play and it was barely adequate. Every Moto phone before that was bad too but everything else was so solid that I was willing to look past it.
The Z2 play has a decent camera and you likely will be happy with it. The sd626 is fast for a low power processor. On par with the 808. I would look for an unlockable bl version vs the Verizon one. Custom covers and Moto mods give a bit of the g4 style. Battery life will be similar to the g4. USB c support means super fast charging and you can plug flash drives in, with an adapter. You can merge the internal storage with an SD card for one huge partition as well. The finger print sensor can double as nav keys for more screen space.

I've owned also a G4 long time ago. I will say battery it's way better on the Z2P and the stock Android experience you don't experience any lag. You will ensure many updates on time.
Now regarding back camera, Z2P it's above average but not comparable with G4 which has very good performance. For front camera Z2P it's better.
Fingerprint works great.

Unfortunately i probably wont get the z2 play anymore. Turns out im not eligible for the promotion due to the fact that im not employed for at least 6months at my current employer. Now i hope this promotion will last for another 2-3 months. By then nokia 7 plus will be out and i cant decide between this 2...

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Unfortunately i probably wont get the z2 play anymore. Turns out im not eligible for the promotion due to the fact that im not employed for at least 6months at my current employer. Now i hope this promotion will last for another 2-3 months. By then nokia 7 plus will be out and i cant decide between this 2...
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That's a shame!
I came here to add another point. If you're someone who enjoys running the latest software then don't go with Motorola. Oreo came out 6 months ago and it's not even on the horizon right now. Motorola's gone down Samsung level of suck with updates but Samsung at least has the excuse of having a complex version. I don't know what Lenovo's doing honestly. That would be my main gripe.

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That's a shame!
I came here to add another point. If you're someone who enjoys running the latest software then don't go with Motorola. Oreo came out 6 months ago and it's not even on the horizon right now. Motorola's gone down Samsung level of suck with updates but Samsung at least has the excuse of having a complex version. I don't know what Lenovo's doing honestly. That would be my main gripe.
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That was one reason why i wanted this phone. Near stock OS and i thought they are better with delivering updates. Guess Nokia would be a better compromise then?

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That was one reason why i wanted this phone. Near stock OS and i thought they are better with delivering updates. Guess Nokia would be a better compromise then?
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From what I can tell it's not really a compromise. They seem to be pretty solid devices. If Nokia sold them in my country I'd get one of them. Stock Android, good updates and a great camera. Motorola has good competition there.
Since Lenovo bought Motorola they've been bad at updates. When Moto was owned by Google up until late 2015 they were way better. They have near stock Android, it shouldn't be that long.

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From what I can tell it's not really a compromise. They seem to be pretty solid devices. If Nokia sold them in my country I'd get one of them. Stock Android, good updates and a great camera. Motorola has good competition there.
Since Lenovo bought Motorola they've been bad at updates. When Moto was owned by Google up until late 2015 they were way better. They have near stock Android, it shouldn't be that long.
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guess ill have to wait and see, since i have to forcefully wait another 3 months... Then I'll check the market again.

Should I buy this or something newer

It's finally upgrade time, coming from a Lumia 930 after my OnePlus 3 have up the ghost after an impact.
Been looking at options and Pixel 2 XL is coming up at £31 a month with no upfront cost (for comparison Pixel 3 XL is around £60 per month)
Am I going to regret getting this or is it still a worthy upgrade today and for the next 2 years?
Are the reported issues actually issues or just people looking for problems?
Thank you for your time

It's still a great device with a few years of updates to come... Price is Right compared to 2018 flagships...

I had a note 8 for almost a year and a xiaomi mi 8. The Samsung was awesome and the s pen was useful but the pixel experience is so much better. Speed differences are not huge, I don't play too many games so it's fast enough for my needs.
The camera is awesome, no contest compared to current phones tbh and with only one lens.
The phone looks great (I have panda white) and I'd rather have this pixel instead of the latest as I'm fed up of all glass phones.

If you like ugly notches and having to pay $80 for a wireless charger to get full speed wireless charging because Google locked down the phone to use only their wireless charger, get the Pixel 3. Otherwise, get the Pixel 2.
UPDATE: Google backpedaled and said it will start certifying 3rd party wireless chargers. Those that are certified will be able to charge the phone at full speed. Still seems kind of stupid to me considering neither Apple nor Samsung have any such requirement for their wireless chargers, but it's not as dumb as locking them all out.

Still an awesome device by today's standards. Still super fast, will be updated for a while by Google, it will officially get most of the new Pixel 3 features, and unofficially the other features (thanks XDA).
Get it!

I just bought it after the pixel3 release. Couldn't be happier

Buy it. There's no way the 3 is worth another thirty quid a month, especially as many of the upgrades will eventually work on the 2XL. Mine's a year old (Panda white) and it's running like a dream. Best phone I've ever had.

I can see it running fine for the next two years. Unless apps really start increasing their demands on RAM and processor by a lot, it'll age fine.
That being said, I still go with getting a phone within 6 months of release to get the most of it in the long run. Only benefit of anything longer is price being lower so if you can get a great deal for a Pixel 2 XL, then sure go for it.
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I'd look at the OnePlus 6T or possibly even the LG V40. The Pixel 2 XL is great, don't get me wrong, but the 2018 flagships are pulling ahead. I have a feeling with Android 10, the bar will be raised for specs needed for a smooth experience. If you don't run a lot of apps at once and aren't gaming, the Pixel 2 XL might be fine, but as software and apps get more advanced it may start to feel laggy over time.

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I'd look at the OnePlus 6T or possibly even the LG V40. The Pixel 2 XL is great, don't get me wrong, but the 2018 flagships are pulling ahead. I have a feeling with Android 10, the bar will be raised for specs needed for a smooth experience. If you don't run a lot of apps at once and aren't gaming, the Pixel 2 XL might be fine, but as software and apps get more advanced it may start to feel laggy over time.
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After buying an LG G5, I would recommend LG phones only to my worst enemies. The UI looks fugly and isn't as smooth as Google's, it's full of bloatware, the LG apps are worse then the original GApps they replace, updates don't arrive each month and new Android releases take an eternity. Hell, the G5 got Android 8 only recently! On top the developer support gets worse and worse with each new model (if you can unlock the bootlaoder at all), so you hardly can escape LG's version of software hell on earth.
The OnePlus 6T is most likely miles ahead, but it's made of glass. And you need forked versions of the Google camera to shoot nice pictures.
My Pixel 2 XL has been running smooth over the last year, I haven't regretted that I bought it for one second, despite its steep price.
So if you don't want to spend the money for the new version, get a Pixel 2 XL. Or get a OnePlus 6T if you must have more RAM. But don't buy the LG V40, it may seem fine at first, but you'll regret it later on.

Everything up to the G5 and V20 was unreliable, though I've seen good things about the V30 and presumably the V40 as well. The Pixel 2 XL being made by LG shares a great deal in common. That said, it still does appear the OnePlus 6T is the best value for one's money. The aggressive sales on the V40 are tempting too ($200 off).

I just bought a pixel 2xl yesterday and quite frankly I saw no particular reason to go the 3xl route at this point in time. This phone is a beast.

^ yes, it's still a badboy! Welcome aboard

I would recommend a newer handset especially if you can wait for the OP6T. I'm moving from.my Pixel 2 XL to the Mate 20 Pro.

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I would recommend a newer handset especially if you can wait for the OP6T. I'm moving from.my Pixel 2 XL to the Mate 20 Pro.
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Just to have something newer, shinier or are there real reasons? I see no point except the slight blue tint of the display to upgrade this fantastic device.
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Everything up to the G5 and V20 was unreliable, though I've seen good things about the V30 and presumably the V40 as well. The Pixel 2 XL being made by LG shares a great deal in common. That said, it still does appear the OnePlus 6T is the best value for one's money. The aggressive sales on the V40 are tempting too ($200 off).
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uhm nope https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/10/14/lg-v40-review-best-lgs-ever-built-still-isnt-quite-enough/

Thank you for all the replies, made my purchase and couldn't be more pleased with it.
Any hints and tips on changes to make straight away?

mb76 said:
Thank you for all the replies, made my purchase and couldn't be more pleased with it.
Any hints and tips on changes to make straight away?
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https://www.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-2-first-things
You got a case right? Definitely protect it.
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What if you can score one for $300 - $400. Seems like would be a good pick up at that price point even if you only use it for a year.
Rick

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What if you can score one for $300 - $400. Seems like would be a good pick up at that price point even if you only use it for a year.
Rick
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Well the OP got it for a monthly $39.76/month with no up front cost. Pricey but it's a lot less than the Pixel 3 XL for $76.96/month. Either way, both are way more than what we pay in the US
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Yep. It's a gooder. I came from a 2016 Moto z griffin with a battery mod and this gets better battery life.
Still at 78% by the time I get home from work.

It's lonely up here - V50 - will you come?

LG has a present for you...
UPDATE:
Here is what to expect if you head for V50!
Sound quality increased by 5-10% over G7, don't know how much over v30.
RCS messages from Google fully working.
Stellar battery life ~9 hours with some heavy usage - for example downloaded and uploaded today via wifi and lte around 15 GB, one software update, and some 4K60FPS with super steady mode enabled - around 20 min total movies, some photos, 2 hours of tidal with Bluetooth ldac and screen off, the rest for websurfing and YouTube.
Stellar cameras. Best out there. Tested VS note 10 plus and p30pro. P30pro is a big s... t, except in zoom
Stellar display. My wife has regular s10 and V50 is better. Same blacks, same VIVID COLORS, but WAAAAY better WHITE.
Camera software has so many settings, not gimmicks. Really nice video editing software.
Nice design. Those cameras under glass are so sexy.
5G
Really nice Haptic vibrator.
Better boom box speaker compared with g7
Each mobth I got an update. 2 on July, one on August in fact
What else!? TV app and more functions that I didn't had on G7.

4 me? nice

Looking to get some devs over to the v50?

It's a perfect phone. Feel free to ask anything. I can give you feedback.

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Looking to get some devs over to the v50?
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kinda

Not even launched in India

Inerent said:
LG has a present for you...
Ask if interested.
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What exactly are you going on about?
And, you do realize (hopefully) that this is the LG V30 subforum, right? Right?

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kinda
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First you gotta fix LGs marketing ... especially in Europe... V50 is available at ... what? 2 or 3 carriers (in whole europe).
Otherwise no normal shop even has it, only thing i find (in shops from germany/austria/uk/poland via price comparison site) is an offer from ebay for 900€.

Inerent said:
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What, a free phone or something?
Not really interested in any of the 1st generation "5G" phones.

Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?

lg v50
is it better than v30

Just buy an lg g8
Better price available triple cameras (in europe) and offer the same features as the v50 just if you want DUAL DISPLAY or 5G just waiiiiiiiiiiitttt and throw 200$ for extra nothing

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Other than the European dual screen version which v50 is Bootloader unlockable?
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Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:

Inerent said:
Nope. But this phone is so perfect. RCS working. 9 hours SOT, excelent dac and amp, etc
Cameras crushing note 10 and p30 pro, except on zoom. Tested myself.
Amazing display
Our forum is empty...:crying:
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V60 is coming in couple of months.
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-v60
With the V50 appearing to be a flop, LG's trying its hand again with the V60. The V60 is expected to be announced during IFA 2019, and this is everything we know about the phone so far.
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That will be better "5G" phone and better cameras. But I'm still holding onto my V30+.

I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30

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I hope the V70 (not a typo) won't have a notch or any sort of cut in the screen and keeps the headphone jack. In that case it will be my next phone... in 4 years after i'm done with my V30
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Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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I think you're already set for a few years. The V35 is like the perfect upgrade after a V30

V30 has RCS, VoLTE and Wifi Calling too. My LTE speeds on Sprint are 200 Mbps. Right now there is no incentive for me to upgrade to a battery hogging 5G phone especially with all the health concerns.

ChazzMatt said:
Yeah, I'm waiting until the notch fiasco goes away.
And I still want headset jack, just because.
But next year (2020) will be V70, and that will be 3 years since 2017 V30, not 4 years...
I kept my last phone 3 years, so I can do it again.
I have a mint 2018 V35 but it's still in the box. Rooted V30+ is my daily phone.
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Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs

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Why not use the v35 though and keep current v30 as backup? It has better specs
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Because overall, my V30+ is better.
V35 is only 64GB internal memory, while my V30+ is 128GB. (The only V35+ was sold in Brazil, and I cannot get it over the internet. Even if I could, they want about $1,200 for it.) Yes, I have microSD card, but I like using internal memory better when possible.
V35 rooting very hard, there's no do-it-yourself. Unless there's something I'm not aware of, you have to ship your phone off to some other country or let someone remote in and hack your phone. I bought it when @runningnak3d was intently working on a root method, but his life focus changed and he no longer does that.
There's a older version of TWRP for V35 -- but no one seems to be using it. No reports it works with Pie. People who do root either can't install TWRP due to no fastboot or just don't seem to be using it. There's no devs over there working on it.
If just wanted to run a non-rooted phone with the same internal memory I had back in 2014 (64GB Moto Quark), yes it's a great phone.
My current phone has 128GB internal memory (plus my microSD card), is rooted. I have all the tweets and mods that I want. Anxious V30 module gives me updated camera features, plus dual speaker mode. With Xposed, I have the status bar icons I want. I have call auto recording, lots of other stuff. I see no reason to change right now.
I'm keeping the V35, of course -- and at some point may be my wife's "new" phone. I was just hoping for something as good as my V30+.
I waited 3 years between my 2014 Moto Quark and the 2017 LG V30, and I can wait another 3 years.