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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Only had the phone 3 days, but it has the most cohesive feel of all the Android devices I've owned, not as featureless as my Nexus 7, not over the top like my older HTC/Samsung devices. Switched to Nova Launcher, then switched back to Pixel launcher because it felt a better fit.

I love it. But I'm having some buyer's remorse. I still give it an 8 out of 10. A 10 would have been better than my previous in most categories, even if marginally.
The Pixel is more expensive than my 6P. It's subjectively uglier than my gold finish all metal 6P. It has no front firing dual speakers. It's speakers aren't as good as the 6P's. It has no 64gb option as my 6P did. And I know people may slate me for this, the 6P had a better camera. By a big margin.
So why the high rating? Well, the Pixel feels better in the hand. This is primarily due to the size. The build seems more solid and more dense. The software feels more natural, although this is hard to quantify. The Pixel doesn't exhibit any throttling that my 6P did, which is a huge improvement. It just seems a more polished finish.
It has excellent EIS and I think the 6P should have been given this as it's just software magic, AFAIK. But it is what it is.
No nightmares in the battery department. Quite stable in fact. My 6P was starting to drain quicker than I liked.
Did I say it's the only viable smaller handset with top end hardware? I find it so liberating to be using a smaller powerhouse again.
Most of all, it's just very reliable and dependable.
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I actually very much love this phone, I was expecting a lot to be hype, yet battery is good, cameras awesome see attached pics, and overall it's probably the best phone I owned in awhile, I was using an iPhone 5s, missed mu Android,. Operating system is fast and responsive and split screen multitasking is great especially with YouTube and chrome open

subhani said:
I love it. But I'm having some buyer's remorse. I still give it an 8 out of 10. A 10 would have been better than my previous in most categories, even if marginally.
The Pixel is more expensive than my 6P. It's subjectively uglier than my gold finish all metal 6P. It has no front firing dual speakers. It's speakers aren't as good as the 6P's. It has no 64gb option as my 6P did. And I know people may slate me for this, the 6P had a better camera. By a big margin.
So why the high rating? Well, the Pixel feels better in the hand. This is primarily due to the size. The build seems more solid and more dense. The software feels more natural, although this is hard to quantify. The Pixel doesn't exhibit any throttling that my 6P did, which is a huge improvement. It just seems a more polished finish.
It has excellent EIS and I think the 6P should have been given this as it's just software magic, AFAIK. But it is what it is.
No nightmares in the battery department. Quite stable in fact. My 6P was starting to drain quicker than I liked.
Did I say it's the only viable smaller handset with top end hardware? I find it so liberating to be using a smaller powerhouse again.
Most of all, it's just very reliable and dependable.
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Im sorry but the 6P does not have a better camera. Coming from a 6P as well i agree with some of your viewpoints but the camera isn't a valid arguement. While the 6P camera is good its not at the level of the pixel.

I've used android phones, I've used iPhones. If this is what Google has to offer with its first Pixel phone I'm excited for Pixel 2 already. The camera rocks, love the quality of photos, the UI is intuitive and fast. Opening apps feels instant for me at least no delay. Have yet to see the device slow down. Almost elliminates the need to shy away from stock one can be hopeful that Verizon doesn't end up blocking depixel8 otherwise I may end up unlocking the bootloader if I see they do.

I use an Android and iPhone handset concurrently for work-related reasons. The Pixel is great, and compares very favorably with the iPhone.
Battery: I used to run all intensive apps like Waze and streaming audio through the iPhone, now I don't fear running them on the Android.
App switching: You know when you're chatting with someone and you look something up to further your discussion along? The Overview button double-tap for switching back and forth is so great.
Fingerprint reader: Is faster than the iPhone 6.
You can probably get a nearly identical experience with a Xiaomi or Oneplus phone without spending $650+. I remember even seeing one of the new Xiaomi flagships featuring the same camera sensor. But I hoped that the Pixel being was it is, it'll be a more bug-free experience.

I bought this phone expecting to not like it and sell it in a few weeks. It doesn't have an sd card slot or a removable battery. That's a pretty big deal to me. But I got the 128gb and started allowing Google to back up my pics. I can go 16 hours on the battery with 4 hours SOT. That's exponentially better than my MXP or pretty much any other phone I've used. I have grandfathered unlimited on Verizon so my choices are slim if I want root. Everything about this phone works very well. It's super quick and feels good in the hand. Overall, I'm extremely pleased with it.
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I adore this phone. By far my favorite phone I've owned (S3, EVO 4G, EVO 4G LTE, HTC M8, Galaxy Note 5, Samsung Fireball, LG V20, LG V10). The experience has been unparalleled for me.

It's a great phone, but not worth the price tag that comes with it.

I would consider this to be the "photographer's phone." It has a great camera and amazing EIS. As well as unlimited original photo hosting on Google Photos.
Did I mention it has UNLIMITED, ORIGINAL photo hosting on Google Photos?
Don't get me wrong, there could be better cameras out there, but you just can't beat that perk of having a Pixel.

As a long time samsung owner, this device is a breath of fresh air. If it were more water resistant, and had wireless charging, it'd be a perfect 10.

what overall love for Power Users?
i searched little bit and it seems ok but i want to ask from real life power users?
ease of rooting and number of custom roms & mods

So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.

Geeks Empire said:
what overall love for Power Users?
i searched little bit and it seems ok but i want to ask from real life power users?
ease of rooting and number of custom roms & mods
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Power user here. Previously owned a Galaxy Note 5 and 7. I got the 128GB because I like to store lots of high-quality music files and 4K film. The auto backup photo/video feature is tremendous.
If you're on a normal Pixel (non-Verizon), rooting is a joke. Very simple. Custom ROMs are awesome - PureNexus is amazing and so are OctOS and RR. Not a ton of options but they've got everything you need. Dirty Unicorns is available too (no Slim ROM, sadly).
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So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.
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Root your phone and you can get those things you desire.
Actually, with Tasker, you could probably make the twist camera thing fairly easily. Probably don't need root for that, either.

Thanks for the tip, I'll have to look into Tasker.
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Power user here. Previously owned a Galaxy Note 5 and 7. I got the 128GB because I like to store lots of high-quality music files and 4K film. The auto backup photo/video feature is tremendous.
If you're on a normal Pixel (non-Verizon), rooting is a joke. Very simple. Custom ROMs are awesome - PureNexus is amazing and so are OctOS and RR. Not a ton of options but they've got everything you need. Dirty Unicorns is available too (no Slim ROM, sadly).
Root your phone and you can get those things you desire.
Actually, with Tasker, you could probably make the twist camera thing fairly easily. Probably don't need root for that, either.
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Upgraded to a 128gb unit in December from a HTC ONE M8 and love almost everything about it.
Seriously, the difference in cameras is just amazing. I've got a big family and we all use different phones, and going from one of the worst cameras to the best camera is absolutely incredible. It runs fast, I can play PSP games on it. The rapid charge? 15% to full in an hour?! seriously, just amazed.
I have 2 complaints, the speaker is just terrible in comparison to the M8 (best sounding phone I've ever used) and how I hold my phone in my right hand with my pinky on the bottom to keep it from slipping it just mutes it. Second complaint is location services just kill my battery. When my M8 was new, I once got 3 days on a full charge, with the Pixel I'm resembling those iPhone wallhuggers everyone likes to joke about.

JoeHockey said:
So I got my Pixel right before Christmas and switched from VZW to Project Fi at the same time. Mostly love the phone (and the service) and my minor complaints are all due to me being so used to my old Moto X '14. I really liked some of the Moto "tweaks" such as the twist camera and flashlight "chop". The camera on the Pixel is great but I really miss being able to take a picture by just touching the screen. Like I said, most of my complaints are really minor and consist of small missing software features. My only major complaint would be the sound of the speakers, they are too quiet which I really don't understand because when you strap the Pixel into a Daydream headset the sound is suddenly great. Battery life is fantastic. As for rooting/romming I'm still in the honeymoon phase where I haven't felt the need for either.
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There's an app for the twist camera. Made by the same guy who made ForceDoze.

tobalaz said:
Upgraded to a 128gb unit in December from a HTC ONE M8 and love almost everything about it.
Seriously, the difference in cameras is just amazing. I've got a big family and we all use different phones, and going from one of the worst cameras to the best camera is absolutely incredible. It runs fast, I can play PSP games on it. The rapid charge? 15% to full in an hour?! seriously, just amazed.
I have 2 complaints, the speaker is just terrible in comparison to the M8 (best sounding phone I've ever used) and how I hold my phone in my right hand with my pinky on the bottom to keep it from slipping it just mutes it. Second complaint is location services just kill my battery. When my M8 was new, I once got 3 days on a full charge, with the Pixel I'm resembling those iPhone wallhuggers everyone likes to joke about.
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Battery life is much better than comparable Androids devices. I've never had such great battery life, honestly. Interestingly, I had an M8 for a year and did NOT get close to 3 days (not even 2). Coming from an LG V20, V10, Note 5 and Note 7 (and watching my wife's S7), this battery life is tremendous. I literally don't ever pay attention to battery anymore. I go to bed with 30-50% usually. I just charge overnight (why not?) to be safe.
But yes, the sound of M8 was unparalleled. Why they quit on that feature I'll never understand.

Overall I am pretty happy with the Pixel. I don't like large phones so i am glad Google offered a smaller version. I used to have the Nexus 5x (still do) but the Pixel has been lag free. Anyone who has been using Google's devices long enough knows the thing starts to lag and the only thing to get rid of it is to totally format every so often. This has been running great so far so I am happy.
One thing I hope Google does not do is eventually become like Samsung or Apple where they totally lock down the device. The price point was already bad enough, but if the attempt to become mainstream to the point where the phone cannot be customized I will be very unhappy.
If they want to sell their product as "Pure Android", that should include customization outside of their OWN OS. Locking things down is no better than Apple or Samsung.

V30 First Impressions Thread

Figured we probably needed a place to put everyone's first impressions.
I'll start with first, this thing is small and light! Coming from a V20 and a Nexus 6 before that, this thing is tiny. Last time I felt like I had a phone this size was the Galaxy Nexus. (Yeah, I know. That one was probably actually smaller than this but still, this thing feels that small in hand to me. I've been using nothing but phablets since that phone.) It feels closer in size to my work iPhone 6s than my V20. That's going to take some getting used to. It's in a case now but still feels small.
Still trying to get used to some app behaviors that seemed to have changed. For instance, Weather Channel app is having all kinds of issues. Shows as a sensitive notification on the lock screen vs my V20 where it isn't, because it isn't. The widget doesn't display information without being cut off. I still need to go log into all my apps and get them set up.
Camera. Haven't really taken any shots with it yet but I did dig through it. First, I'm not happy that it always opens in auto mode. The V20 would open in whatever mode you last had it in. I prefer manual mode and liked that I could just open it, make a quick adjustment to the settings and shoot. Now I have to dive into a menu to get to manual then make adjustments and shoot. It'll slow things down quite a bit. I am happy that Graphy can be shut off. Also, noise reduction can be shut off in manual. It was actually disabled by default. Going to do a lot of test shooting today.
Hoping to hit up the museum I used to work in and always test every camera I own there. Also hitting up an outdoor night event here as well as the jazz club. It's going to get one helluva workout today! Going to take my V20 and Nikon V3 along too. Not sure how much I'll use the V3 outside of the outdoor event. Not going to bother taking my DSLR. (I'm actually in the process of downsizing my photography to smaller cameras. DSLRs have gotten way too clean and clinical for my tastes.)

Nice! I can’t wait to see the pics it takes.

I played with this at Verizon yesterday, and I'm still on the fence. The front facing camera was HORRIBLE. I held my G5 next to it and took a selfie, and the G5 was so much better. The rear camera did seem to take awesome shots, but still slow to take and delay in swiping between front and back cameras, something I really thought they'd have a better handle on by now since I had the same issues in the G4 and G5. I loved it otherwise, I think it's a gorgeous phone, I like the looks a lot more than the Galaxy phones.
I went in wanting the phone, but two separate Verizon reps were adamant in saying I should stay away from LG, that they have nothing but problems, they only sold maybe 2 G6's, they have class action lawsuits against them, and they tell customers to go take a hike when asking for a new phone after having multiple of them die in a row from a known defect. Theyd rather keep sending you defective phones repeatedly under warranty. So idk. I'm reeeally torn between this and the S8+ which has very similar specs and is cheaper at this point, but I don't like having only one rear camera.

Initial results at the museum are looking pretty good. I'm impressed so far for the most part. As for selfie camera issues, I was disappointed at first until I figured out those stupid settings at the bottom of the screen. After you turn off the skin toning and lightning, the images are much better. Then they work well with post processing.

Have you had a chance to play w Bluetooth, GPS, Wifi/Data connection? My G4 had bad bluetooth disconnections and busted gps in the G5. Just curious how the different antennae have been working for you. Good battery life?

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Have you had a chance to play w Bluetooth, GPS, Wifi/Data connection? My G4 had bad bluetooth disconnections and busted gps in the G5. Just curious how the different antennae have been working for you. Good battery life?
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Haven't played with GPS yet. I can't really speak to how well or not how well it works. I used wifi during set-up. It worked but my wifi is slower than my network connection and I regretted using it. Not a knock on the wifi of this phone, it's just that my carrier network is that much faster than my home wifi. Only BT I've done so far is to connect it to my car. That went much better and smoother than my V20. It took me many attempts over an hour and a half to get my V20 and car paired. The V30 paired the first time. The next test will be to see if I have to restart my phone after a few days to keep the connection from going wonky. (Which is a ritual with my V20 that occurred at least once a week.)

I got mine this past Friday. It is slippery to hold, you will def need a case to keep it from sliding out of your hand. I'm still not sure why designers can make insanely powerful devices but can't figure out that you actually need to hold on to it to use it. I'll probably get a DBrand skin or equiv when they are available. It is super light. Kinda feels flimsy it is so lightweight even though it is not. My last phone was a Nexus 6P, before that an HTC M9, before that an HTC M7. All three of those feel like tanks by comparison. I'm not sure yet if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Camera is nice but uses a lot of noise reduction. It has endless options that will take some time getting used to. I'm not sure yet if it is as good as HTC's U11 which as an incredible camera IMO (my GF has a U11). Looks better than my Nexus 6p for sure though. Much faster too. I love the wide angle lens!
Audio from Headphone jack is insane. I'm using the BEATS headphones from my old HTC One, I can only imagine how good it would sound with high end headphones. Phone speaker is ehhh. Nowheres near as good as HTC or Google phones with front facing speakers. Or HTC U11 which seems to have crazy sound magically radiate into space.
As for speed, its as fast as any other 2017 phone I have tried, the hardware is all the same. The screen is amazing. I mean AMAZING! I can't really see a difference between 1080 and 1440 quality or speed wise. I thought at first there was but now think it is more of a placebo effect. I have been keeping it maxed mostly for the bragging rights of it being higher rez than Apple's silly Superduper mega retina display, what ever that means.
It is to early for me to tell if battery life makes a difference with resolution. I have read it is supposed to eat more power with the higher rez. It isn't as near bezelless as I thought it would be. It seems to be a marketing trend for company renders to show super edge to edge displays until you actually get it and there are good sized bezels. Not that I mind, it is just something I noticed. The screens are not any larger, the phone is just shrinking around it making the device seem small and the screen seem smaller than it is. My Nexus 6p dwarfs the V30 in the hand and the display just feels larger on the Nexus even though it is not. Kind of another odd placebo effect.
Speaking of battery, it seems to last well over a day of playing hard with it but is still to early to tell since I keep plugging it in to transfer files. After the newness wears off I think I will be able to get 2 days out of it.
The power button, or lack there of is great I think. Instead of a dedicated button, it is just the fingerprint scanner. You can click it, hold it to open restart options etc. Works great and is non intrusive by comparison to a dedicated button that I usually hit by accident all the time.
The UI is not terrible. It is fast and responsive. For the record I am a fanboy of Sense and Stock. LG's UI has a lot more options for customization over Stock but some things seem like they just changed from stock to say they did. Especially in the Settings menu where they feel extra pages of settings tabs is preferable than a simple list. The worst part is LG's apps that are mostly broken or limited.
Contacts doesn't work right and crashes sometimes when I try and edit a contact. You can not fully disable it. I'm using Google Contacts when it will let me.
Calendar is ok, about the same as Google Calendar. Again you can not fully disable it for some reason.
Camera app is good so far, or at least I like it.
Messaging app sux. It freezes sometimes and when it works you can't insert gifs. Again you can't disable it. I'm using Google's Messenger.
Keyboard is limited, I just use the Google Keyboard.
Gallery is simple and works for on device pix but doesn't allow cloud access. Since most of my pix are on GoogleDrive I just use Google Photos. And again you can't disable it.
Smart Cleaning is a cleaner app. The phone is so fast I can't see any difference after using it.
LG Health I haven't tried yet.
LG Smart World is just some LG app browsing thing. Haven't really played with it other than browsing themes.
So far I love the phone. Out of 2017 phones I have used the HTC U11 and Essential Phone I like the V30 best of those 3. My biggest complaint is I just wish you could at least disable the LG bloatware apps so they can't start up. Maybe there is a special way to do it aside from rooting the device and going that route.
Hope this helps anyone considering the V30
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Figured we probably needed a place to put everyone's first impressions.
I'll start with first, this thing is small and light! Coming from a V20 and a Nexus 6 before that, this thing is tiny. Last time I felt like I had a phone this size was the Galaxy Nexus. (Yeah, I know. That one was probably actually smaller than this but still, this thing feels that small in hand to me. I've been using nothing but phablets since that phone.) It feels closer in size to my work iPhone 6s than my V20. That's going to take some getting used to. It's in a case now but still feels small.
Still trying to get used to some app behaviors that seemed to have changed. For instance, Weather Channel app is having all kinds of issues. Shows as a sensitive notification on the lock screen vs my V20 where it isn't, because it isn't. The widget doesn't display information without being cut off. I still need to go log into all my apps and get them set up.
Camera. Haven't really taken any shots with it yet but I did dig through it. First, I'm not happy that it always opens in auto mode. The V20 would open in whatever mode you last had it in. I prefer manual mode and liked that I could just open it, make a quick adjustment to the settings and shoot. Now I have to dive into a menu to get to manual then make adjustments and shoot. It'll slow things down quite a bit. I am happy that Graphy can be shut off. Also, noise reduction can be shut off in manual. It was actually disabled by default. Going to do a lot of test shooting today.
Hoping to hit up the museum I used to work in and always test every camera I own there. Also hitting up an outdoor night event here as well as the jazz club. It's going to get one helluva workout today! Going to take my V20 and Nikon V3 along too. Not sure how much I'll use the V3 outside of the outdoor event. Not going to bother taking my DSLR. (I'm actually in the process of downsizing my photography to smaller cameras. DSLRs have gotten way too clean and clinical for my tastes.)
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My biggest complaint is I just wish you could at least disable the LG bloatware apps so they can't start up. Maybe there is a special way to do it aside from rooting the device and going that route.
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Yep. This method works on G6, so it should work on V30 also, be careful on what you disable, you could potentially brick the device.
BTW any display problems? And what variant did you buy?

Thanks! As for the variant, I have the AT&T 64gig one. There are a few AT&T apps, all can be disabled. I actually use a few of them. And no display problems that I have seen. I think the display is one of the best parts of the device.

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I got mine this past Friday...
Hope this helps anyone considering the V30
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Awesome overview :good: Although I already ordered v30 (black, 64gb) from South Korea, it was still nice to read, especially regarding the screen/size. I am not a fan of 18:9 in general since native support is still behind (cropped,zoomed videos), but I like what LG does - basically putting 18:9 screen in a more like 16:9 frame.. this makes it look much better than sausage-style s8/s8+/note8.

Here’s my V30+ first impressions. Will do a deep dive on the camera and audio soon.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/01/0...adphone-jack-with-quad-dac-wireless-charging/

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Here’s my V30+ first impressions. Will do a deep dive on the camera and audio soon.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/01/0...adphone-jack-with-quad-dac-wireless-charging/
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Interesting review. Where did you get your B&O branded V30+ in UK? I thought they only had the V30? Did you get it from Italy or elsewhere?
I watched your full YouTube review and I agree people are selling the camera on this phone short. Interesting that all your friends chose the LG V30+ pictures over the Pixel 2 XL pictures. That's one reason I'm not really going to mess with the Pixel camera port.

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Interesting review. Where did you get your B&O branded V30+ in UK? I thought they only had the V30? Did you get it from Italy or elsewhere?
I watched your full YouTube review and I agree people are selling the camera on this phone short. Interesting that all your friends chose the LG V30+ pictures over the Pixel 2 XL pictures. That's one reason I'm not really going to mess with the Pixel camera port.
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Thanks. You’re right. UK only gets standard V30. Wondamobile supplied the V30+. The Pixel 2 will take better pics , but like everything it depends on the scene. I was out this morning with my Canon & V30+ and will get a post up next week with the results.

Ok. Audio review now done on the LG V30 covering speaker, Bluetooth, wired and type c. Over a dozen headphones used too.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/01/1...-wired-over-12-different-headphones-compared/

I'm on my second Sprint lg v30 plus. Had to exchange the first one due to digitizer issues. On one side of the screen. It only responded to taps. My luck I guess.. Overall I like the device. It's light, fast and has a nice design. The camera sucks tho compared to my s8+ especially in low light. Not a bad camera but no where near the pixel 2 or Samsung phones. Was going to get the note 8 but I doubt that will ever get twrp. Hopefully this device gets root and twrp

Ok full review is finished now. Includes a camera showcase and 32 reasons why it's the best phone in the world, with the 32nd reason the best one.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/01/28/lg-v30-review-camera-showcase-this-is-the-best-phone-in-2018/

Pixel 2 XL or LG V30

I know there is a thread on the V30 forums that are more biased towards the V30, I am curious to see what the Pixel guys have to say. I am torn between the two right now. I'm on Verizon so I got the unlocked Pixel XL 2 Unlocked on preorder but the V30 is the Verizon version which is locked. I dont know if i plan on ever putting custom roms on it but i like the option to if I want to.

As awesome as the v30 looks and on paper, I cannot live with lgs skin, it's hideous ?

To me it depends on how important an up to date pure Android experience is to you. The v20, for example, is still running 7.0, so the LG updates are a bit slow. I prefer the quad dac and headphone jack on the v30, but the software ranks higher on my wish list.
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To me it depends on how important an to date pure Android experience is to you. The v20, for example, is still running 7.0, so the LG updates are a bit slow. I prefer the quad dac and headphone jack on the v30, but the software ranks higher on my wish list.
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Yeah, I've never owned a LG phone until I picked up the V30 last week to try it out. Loving the feel and experience with it so far. Never have I gotten this good of battery life on a phone either. 4 hours of SOT and still at 35%. I use Messenger/FB/Snapchat which are all hogs and this thing is handling it no problem. I have to go into a verizon store and see what the pixel feels like in hand. I love the idea of stock android with updates when they come out because I know I wont ever be able to root and toss on roms on my V30 cause its Verizon.

I posted in the V30 vs Pixel 2XL thread over on the V30 forum. But since I'm typically one to sway towards Nexus/Pixel devices, I'll give my opinion here.
As you can see from my signature, it's not like me to venture away from the pure Android experience. And I was very excited to see what the 2nd generation of Pixel phones had to offer. However, I must admit that I am disappointed with what Google put out this year. I've decided to go with the V30 and it arrives Monday.
To start, my recent test switch from the Pixel XL to the Galaxy S8 (about 4 months ago now) has been surprisingly great. Sure, TouchWiz is no "Pure Android", but I've found the S8 to be extremely fast and hasn't missed a beat for me. So I've learned first hand that you can still have excellent performance on a non-Pixel/Nexus phone.
I've also gotten hooked on wireless charging. I have a Qi wireless charger on my night stand and one in my office. My relatives have all seemingly adopted the most current Samsung and LG phones and all have multiple QI chargers in their homes, as well. So I've been able to fully adopt wireless charging in my daily life. In fact, my OEM USB C charger is still sitting in the original packaging, unused.
Now that I've experienced how convenient wireless charging is, I honestly could not imagine going back. So the lack of wireless charging in the Pixel 2 XL was a serious Downer for me.
This week I was able to compare the V30 and 2 XL side by side in my local Verizon store. This really helped solidify the V30 for me. Side by side the 2 XL's top, bottom and side bezels look enormous compared to the V30 (and the S8 for that matter). The 2 XL's bezels make the screen appear smaller than it does on the V30 while also making the phone feel notably larger in the hand than the V30. Which is annoying because the V30 is already a relatively large phone.
In addition, the user interface on the V30 is very fluid and smooth. Easily as fast as the 2XL, from my quick 5 minute comparison. I actually like LGs take on Android with their latest skin. And if I get sick of it, I can quickly install a Pixel theme with Nova and mirror the Pixel user interface exactly.
In fact, after using pure Android phones for so long, I'd even go as far as to say that the user interface on the 2 XL is boring. Oreo feels the same as Nougat, which feels the same as Marshmallow. Sure it's fast but it's almost too simple and feels the same as it has the past 2+ years.
I know many will disagree but at this point I feel that the pure Android experience has grown tired, stale and featureless. The little tweaks and features that LG and Samsung have added with they're skins are actually quite great and have progressed Android much further than stock Android has over the past couple of years.
However, with all that said, both are great phones and I don't think you can truly go wrong either way. It just depends on what you are looking for. If you are one to root and flash kernels/ROMs, the decision for you is easy. But for me, my days of rooting are behind me and the 2 XL is slightly too large and is missing a few too many little features to justify the price point over the V30.

Yeah, I had my sights on the V30, still do, to be honest. However, at the end of the day, quick updates from Google is where it's at and the P2 phones are getting three years of them (although I am honestly likely to upgrade in a year or two).
Having said that, when the V30 drops in price, I will definitely consider picking one up as a backup. I love the idea of a HiFi DAC and the second wide angle camera. I just can't stay away from pure Android for my main driver.
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I guess the V30 is like a Pixel 2xl with LG skin, Bloat, Expandable Memory, Ear Bud Jack, 2 year warranty promo, slippery back, ( I handled on @att) different audio and camera hardware.

georgiapi said:
I guess the V30 is like a Pixel 2xl with LG skin, Bloat, Expandable Memory, Ear Bud Jack, 2 year warranty promo, slippery back, ( I handled on @att) different audio and camera hardware.
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Yea, they aren't that much alike from what I see. Similar maybe, but that's about it. Pretty much a coincidence that the P2 XL and V30 were released at the same time. That's not a bad thing and nothing implied about either. Both awesome phones. I can't give up that update on the 1st Monday of the month.

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To start, my recent test switch from the Pixel XL to the Galaxy S8 (about 4 months ago now) has been surprisingly great. Sure, TouchWiz is no "Pure Android", but I've found the S8 to be extremely fast and hasn't missed a beat for me. So I've learned first hand that you can still have excellent performance on a non-Pixel/Nexus phone.
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Yea I had the Pixel XL, sold it and went back to an iPhone just for battery life because my Pixel XL wasnt getting more than 3 hours of SOT, and then traded the iPhone for an s8 + $200 on Craigslist. So i've been rocking the s8 for a couple months now and I can agree that its gotten a lot better than it use to be. Its my first Samsung that i've actually given a try since my Note 4 that I had and hated. Needless to say I hate that they dont get the updates but as you have said in your post, is the updates worth the look/features of another phone right now. I watch quite a bit of content on my phone without headphones so the stereo speakers would be nice but after having the s8 and no bezels (I know its not a huge thing but I like a sexy looking phone) it will be hard to go back to ones with a lot of bezel. The V30 is just perfect, I'm not a fan of the s8 curved edges as sometimes you wanna touch something along the edge and just cant get it. Only gripe on the v30 has been the camera which Verizon is sending me out another unit because they think its faulty. Last night I had 4 hours of SOT and still 35% left which is the best i've ever had on an Android phone. I use messenger/facebook/snapchat etc so I kill batteries fast and this thing just handles it like its nothing. I've never owned an LG phone but this thing might have sealed the deal for me. I still have my 2XL on order and when I receive my replacement V30 I should receive the 2XL before my 14 day return period is up so I can use both side by side not in a store having someone breath down my back for a sale.

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As awesome as the v30 looks and on paper, I cannot live with lgs skin, it's hideous
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You can just put another skin on top. Afaik the hardware is nearly the same on both phones (except camera) so maybe there will be also a smooth bugfree aosp rom for the v30 too.
Tbh I also looking forward to the Mate 10 presentation tomorrow, because Huawei is making the best UI from all skin androids regarding performance.
So maybe I just get a Mate10 and put pixel / nova launcher on it, instead going with the pixel 2 xl.
I preordered Pixel 2 xl (release in germany in 15.11.17) but if the mate 10 has more advantages i would go with huawei this year.

Is the LGV30 rootable? The latest update thing from pixel phones can be solved if the phone is rootable...

After leaving the gym this morning, I decided to poke my head back into the Verizon store next door to spend some more time doing a hands on side-by-side comparison.
In playing with both phones, I started taking some observations made by others into account, as well. One thing that I must admit is very cool, is the ability to squeeze the 2 XL to open Google Assistant. One of my concerns with this was whether squeezing the phone would lift a full coverage tempered glass screen protector. I am concerned that the addition of a TPU case, paired with a full coverage screen protector, would be an issue with this because the front edges of the TPU case would likely push into the screen protector whenever you activated the assistant. This could potentially lift the screen protector around the edges, which would get annoying. But the reality of this concern is yet to be seen.
The other thing others mentioned was just how ugly the built in LG dialer and messages apps are. I spent time trying to make a call in the LG dialer and the built in messages and have to agree that both those apps provide a very ugly experience. And since LG/Samsun make it next to impossible to fully replace the dialer/messages apps, it's something you'd have to live with in one way or another. Going back to the built in dialer and messages apps on the 2 XL were a breath of fresh air.
In addition, this time around I decided to test the speakers on each phone. I've gotta say, the front facing stereo speakers on the 2 XL are pretty spectacular. Especially when directly compared to the V30 and my S8. The bottom speaker on the V30 and S8 sound very "raspy" and hollow, in comparison. Plus, those bottom facing speakers don't get nearly as loud and are easy to accidentally cover with your finger. For my testing I used the Youtube app to test Marquees Brownlee's Pixel 2 XL YouTube review video and then the "Imagine Dragons - Believer" video, to give me an idea of how music and normal web content would sound. The front facing speakers on the 2 XL truly put the S8 and V30 to shame. At just 50% volume the 2 XL speakers were as loud as the V30 and S8 speakers were at full volume. And the overall sound from the 2 XL was much more "full". I suppose that's to be expected but I was surprised by just how big the difference is.
Admittedly, the front facing speakers truly have me back to considering the 2 XL, since I do spend a good amount of time consuming video/audio content on my phone, through the built-in speaker(s). However, I hate that I'd have to give up wireless charging and I still think the bezels on the 2 XL are ugly compared to the V30. Plus, in trying to picture 3 months down the road, when the initial "new toy" excitement wears off, I'm now considering whether or not I'd prefer to have the 2 XL's inevitably great dev community to fall back on to mess around with. Needless to say, the decision has grown more difficult for me....

DAmn this is why I posted a thread on this. I didn’t see this one. The screen and overall feel of the V30 plus the dual camera makes me want the V30. The updates and speakers plus google goodies makes me want the pixel. I want a really beautiful screen and don’t want so feel like I have a tiny screen because of the pixel speakers. Man this is harder than I thought

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DAmn this is why I posted a thread on this. I didn’t see this one. The screen and overall feel of the V30 plus the dual camera makes me want the V30. The updates and speakers plus google goodies makes me want the pixel. I want a really beautiful screen and don’t want so feel like I have a tiny screen because of the pixel speakers. Man this is harder than I thought
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I've made an interesting decision, for now. I went ahead and pre-ordered the 2 XL. In addition, I have JUMP! On-Demand with T-Mobile. I'm going to use that to trade my S8 in for the V30 when the local store near me gets their V30 stock this week (hopefully tomorrow). So I'll get up to 14 days to play with the V30 as a daily driver. This will either lead me to canceling my 2 XL order before it ships or turning the V30 in for one of their super cheap phones to have as a backup to the 2 XL.
....or maybe I'll just keep both and let this indecision linger for months to come. :laugh:

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I've made an interesting decision, for now. I went ahead and pre-ordered the 2 XL. In addition, I have JUMP! On-Demand with T-Mobile. I'm going to use that to trade my S8 in for the V30 when the local store near me gets their V30 stock this week (hopefully tomorrow). So I'll get a couple of weeks to play with the V30 as a daily driver. This will either lead me to canceling my 2 XL order before it ships or turning he V30 in for one of their super cheap phones to have as a backup to the 2 XL.
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Awesome let us know! My pixel 2XL is due here between the 27-31st now if it ships earlier that’s different. I do know I have a return policy with Google I can’t recall if it’s the carrier 15 day remorse or he 30 day ?!
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Oh and another plus for the V30 it’s 600mhrz compatible

sn0warmy said:
I've made an interesting decision, for now. I went ahead and pre-ordered the 2 XL. In addition, I have JUMP! On-Demand with T-Mobile. I'm going to use that to trade my S8 in for the V30 when the local store near me gets their V30 stock this week (hopefully tomorrow). So I'll get up to 14 days to play with the V30 as a daily driver. This will either lead me to canceling my 2 XL order before it ships or turning the V30 in for one of their super cheap phones to have as a backup to the 2 XL.
....or maybe I'll just keep both and let this indecision linger for months to come. :laugh:
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Yeah thats what I'm doing right now, got the v30 and love it besides the camera like i said, somethings wrong with it. Sending me a replacement and i get the new 15 days added on so it'll line me up to give them both a try for like 3-4 days together until the v30 would need to go back. The 27th cant come fast enough. Gonna go to the other 2 verizon stores in town tomorrow and see if I can get to play around with them since the one i went to today was "broke"

I made a list of advantages of both phones over on the V30 forum, which has been updated an added to, since . Here goes:
Pro V30
Headphone jack and DAC (not sure I'll be able to appreciate the latter with $100-headphones and spotify, though)
Sleeker design (but it'll live in a case anyways)
Smaller bezels
Smaller and lighter
Probably a tad cheaper
AOD seems to be more useful, incl. controls
Qi wireless charging
Higher IP 68 rating (even WITH 3.5mm headphone jack)
dual cameras -- one with f/1.6 and one with a wide angle lens
Pro P2XL
Better overall camera (esp. if you don't use manual mode)
Better low light/high dynamic range pics
Pure Android, no bloatware
Faster updates, esp. monthly security updates
Purportedly better support than LG
No breakable, smudgy glass back
RGB led
front-facing stereo speakers (the one thing the LG V30 doesn't have)
I am leaning towards the P2XL. One reason is that I’m not a big content creator (definitely not going to dive into manual photo/video modes), the other is that while the V30 may be the overall better package today, the P2XL will get better for a long time, especially once Android P drops, which will probably take LG at least six months to implement.

saxelfur said:
I made a list of advantages of both phones over on the V30 forum, which has been updated an added to, since . Here goes:
Pro V30
Headphone jack and DAC (not sure I'll be able to appreciate the latter with $100-headphones and spotify, though)
Sleeker design (but it'll live in a case anyways)
Smaller bezels
Smaller and lighter
Probably a tad cheaper
AOD seems to be more useful, incl. controls
Qi wireless charging
Higher IP 68 rating (even WITH 3.5mm headphone jack)
dual cameras -- one with f/1.6 and one with a wide angle lens
Pro P2XL
Better overall camera (esp. if you don't use manual mode)
Better low light/high dynamic range pics
Pure Android, no bloatware
Faster updates, esp. monthly security updates
Purportedly better support than LG
No breakable, smudgy glass back
RGB led
front-facing stereo speakers (the one thing the LG V30 doesn't have)
I am leaning towards the P2XL. One reason is that I’m not a big content creator (definitely not going to dive into manual photo/video modes), the other is that while the V30 may be the overall better package today, the P2XL will get better for a long time, especially once Android P drops, which will probably take LG at least six months to implement.
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I’m in the same boat. I have decided to just wait on my Pixel2XL it’s def the better phone and def better for me

After a full 24 hours with my V30, I've already decided that when my 2 XL arrives, I'll be returning the V30 to T-Mobile.
The main draws for me toward the V30 were wireless charging and the smaller form factor/bezels. In addition, while I understand the headphone jack is becoming an outdated "feature", I do still prefer it for the sole purpose of quickly plugging some headphones in when a client calls me. This happens multiple times each day so I do find it convenient. Powering on and pairing a set of bluetooth headphones would likely lead to me missing calls from clients.
I truly wanted to love this V30, but so far it's been nothing but disappointment.
1) I'm already experiencing notable lag (as others in the V30 forum have pointed out) when opening the app drawer in Nova Launcher and scrolling through various apps like Instagram, Facebook, Chrome and even LG's own LG SmartWorld theme app. I've performed all the steps others recommended to fix it (i.e. enabling GPU rendering, and turning animation scaling to .5x). However, the lag/stuttering remains. Rebooting solves it for a couple of hours but then it comes right back.
2) Wifi connection with the V30 is considerably worse than it was on my Galaxy S8 and my previous Pixel XL. My office is in the very front of the house and the router is near the back of the house. Nonetheless, my S8 and Pixel XL were both able to acquire 3-4 signal bars and get 50mbps+ download speeds in the office. The V30 hovers between 0 and 2 bars and never achieves anything more than 5mbps. It's so bad that I'd be better off not using Wifi with the V30 in the front office.
3) 4G signal strength seems to have similar issues. At my gym my S8 and Pixel XL always had full 4G bars and great download speeds. My V30 hovers around 1-2 bars and Spotify songs are always pausing to buffer. This was never an issue with my previous two phones.
4) I've already found myself accidentally covering the bottom facing speaker while watching videos. Admittedly, this was an issue for me with the S8 and original Pixel XL, as well. This has me completely re-thinking those front facing speakers on the 2 XL. When I did my side by side comparison of the 2 XL and V30 in the Verizon store, the front facing speakers on the 2 XL blew me away with their performance, compared to the V30 and S8.
I'll have to live with the larger bezels and lack of wireless charging with the 2 XL. And I'll have to figure out a bluetooth headphone solution while in my office. But my immediate experience with the V30 has been bad enough that it's only made me more excited to get my hands on the 2 XL in the next couple of weeks.
EDIT: Add Feedly to the list of apps with obnoxious stuttering issues. Oh and the Google keyboard K
started randomly failing to recognize finger swipe gestures, forcing me to resort to tap-to-type.
There is something seriously wrong with this LG software. It's making me miss my S8, at this point. ?

sn0warmy said:
After a full 24 hours with my V30, I've already decided that when my 2 XL arrives, I'll be returning the V30 to T-Mobile.
The main draws for me toward the V30 were wireless charging and the smaller form factor/bezels. In addition, while I understand the headphone jack is becoming an outdated "feature", I do still prefer it for the sole purpose of quickly plugging some headphones in when a client calls me. This happens multiple times each day so I do find it convenient. Powering on and pairing a set of bluetooth headphones would likely lead to me missing calls from clients.
I truly wanted to love this V30, but so far it's been nothing but disappointment.
1) I'm already experiencing notable lag (as others in the V30 forum have pointed out) when opening the app drawer in Nova Launcher and scrolling through various apps like Instagram, Facebook, Chrome and even LG's own LG SmartWorld theme app. I've performed all the steps others recommended to fix it (i.e. enabling GPU rendering, and turning animation scaling to .5x). However, the lag/stuttering remains. Rebooting solves it for a couple of hours but then it comes right back.
2) Wifi connection with the V30 is considerably worse than it was on my Galaxy S8 and my previous Pixel XL. My office is in the very front of the house and the router is near the back of the house. Nonetheless, my S8 and Pixel XL were both able to acquire 3-4 signal bars and get 50mbps+ download speeds in the office. The V30 hovers between 0 and 2 bars and never achieves anything more than 5mbps. It's so bad that I'd be better off not using Wifi with the V30 in the front office.
3) 4G signal strength seems to have similar issues. At my gym my S8 and Pixel XL always had full 4G bars and great download speeds. My V30 hovers around 1-2 bars and Spotify songs are always pausing to buffer. This was never an issue with my previous two phones.
4) I've already found myself accidentally covering the bottom facing speaker while watching videos. Admittedly, this was an issue for me with the S8 and original Pixel XL, as well. This has me completely re-thinking those front facing speakers on the 2 XL. When I did my side by side comparison of the 2 XL and V30 in the Verizon store, the front facing speakers on the 2 XL blew me away with their performance, compared to the V30 and S8.
I'll have to live with the larger bezels and lack of wireless charging with the 2 XL. And I'll have to figure out a bluetooth headphone solution while in my office. But my immediate experience with the V30 has been bad enough that it's only made me more excited to get my hands on the 2 XL in the next couple of weeks.
EDIT: Add Feedly to the list of apps with obnoxious stuttering issues. Oh and the Google keyboard K
started randomly failing to recognize finger swipe gestures, forcing me to resort to tap-to-type.
There is something seriously wrong with this LG software. It's making me miss my S8, at this point.
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Ouch, sorry you had that bad of an experience with it... Only "downside" i've had with the v30 in the week i've been using it is my wifi disconnects all the time randomly and I have an Orbi Mesh wifi system at home so i'm never more than 15-20 ft from a router/satellite, and the Camera is meh on the backside. Its been buttery smooth for me for the week but I've been in the boat where people say the same thing I am saying and mine lagged like whoa. I am excited for the Pixel 2 XL though, I wish I had patience to hold out for the Panda one but I think i'll just order up a white bottom dbrand skin and toss that on and go reverse

Pixel 2 XL to OnePlus 5T

I was wondering if anyone made that move ?
I am considering doing so, however I'd like feedbacks from people that might have done that move.
Cheers !

Paradoxxx said:
I was wondering if anyone made that move ?
I am considering doing so, however I'd like feedbacks from people that might have done that move.
Cheers !
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This is what i'm thinking of doing too. Might be worth buying one to test for yourself and send it back if you don't like the 5T? It'll be interesting to read others users thoughts on this.

Sorry, I moved from galaxy s8+. Other than the camera, I am loving it!
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Hey I love the 5T...the Pixel XL is junk, well, at least the screen is. It has issues no doubt. 5T screen is better IMO. Camera, obviously not as good. Neither has an external SD Card?!?!?! Why!!!!!
Anyway, for the money, 5T is hard to beat honestly. Dev support is descent, but not like HTC or Pixel/Google phones.
I had an S8+ for 1 day. Of course, since you can't root without breaking everything like Android pay and Safety Net...no thanks. The S8+ is a near perfect phone, but their abillity to allow you to unlock the bootloader and customize...is nonexistent. Got rid of it. I'm in the US, so the exynos won't work in this country which does allow bootloader unlocking...ridiculous.
I've been an HTC fan for 8yrs now. Just sold my HTC 10. The camera on this OnePlus 5 is better than anything HTC has produced ever. The camera isn't that bad. The OnePlus takes photos as good as my daughter's iPhone 7 Plus. And that camera is no slouch. In fact, head to head, my photos are often better with the 5T.
Anyway...I can imagine the 6 and 6T are going to be a pretty nice. Snapdragon 845 already confirmed for the 6 in a few months they claim it will be released.
Otherwise, I'm not personally dropping $800+ on a new phone no matter who makes it. Which rules Pixel, Huawei, Samsung whatever, and Def iPhone garbage out of the picture. I never spent more than $500-600 on any phone the last 8yrs. HTC resell is pretty good, plus I would wait about 4-6 months after their premier release version to buy it and it is discounted.
Also, my HTC 10 charge port started smelling like burning plaster and wouldn't charge. I had to send it back, and it could take 4 months for them to "evaluate" the burning in Taiwan, then send it back to Seattle, where they say they might not even replace it. They just want to examine it. It is under their uh-oh warranty...so don't know WTF they even care what has happened to it, they will give almost anybody a replacement phone.
Oh well...saw further below that you got the 5T and are keeping it. Version 6 will be out by end of March...so, take it from there. So far, really like the OnePlus...just wish it had a slightly better camera and an SDCard slot.

I was using a Pixel XL for a year and pre-ordered the Pixel 2 XL on launch day.
I got my Pixel 2 XL on October 18th and used it for 2 weeks and there were a lot of good things about it that I liked. It only had a few issues that I could not overlook:
The screen was of poor quality. I'm not talking about unsaturated looking, either. It had harsh blue shift that was impossible not to see in normal day-to-day usage. It also had very poor picture quality when used in a dark room at low brightness. Like everything was too dark yet bright parts of pictures were very bright. Like the contrast of the screen was junk. This was also apparent when viewing pictures at full brightness, but only if I held up my Pixel XL next to it and compared the two. Again, very apparent at low brightness, not as much at normal brightness. Since I like to use my phone at night in the dark, this was a huge pain point. I had no burn-in or noticeable grain in the screen. I was worried moving from a Pixel XL with a quality Samsung panel to a Pixel 2 XL with a questionable LG panel would be a problem, and I was 100% correct.
The battery charging speed. This was something that the Pixel XL wasn't very good at, and I couldn't even get 1% per minute. The Pixel 2 XL was in the same boat, slow charging. Even slower than my old S7 Edge with a larger battery!
These two things were just too much to accept with a $950 device. I returned it to Google for a full refund. Bought the 5T 128GB model on launch day and received it on Black Friday. The 5T has a good screen (like the Pixel XL) and the fastest possible charging option. I also saved like $400 buying the 5T so I got a PS 4 Pro with the extra cash. It's been the best decision I've made since buying the original Pixel XL which was a great phone.

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Sorry, I moved from galaxy s8+. Other than the camera, I am loving it!
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Do you have some camera samples from your S8+ that you could replicate with the 5T and share them with us ?

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Same here !

At first I got OnePlus 5T.. in this phone everything was great, except for camera. Camera is a complete disaster - I do not know how people can be taking decent pictures without optical image stabilization. In my case when you look carefully at edges - there was a blur. Tried many camera softwares - the phone simply can't take good pics without OIS. Based on rumors, OnePlus 6 doesn't intend to include OIS in the camera either. Which is sad, as camera modules are about $15 a piece.. likely OIS would be a few dollars more. So, in summary:
OnePlus 5T:
Pros:
- Everything about the phone, screen, performance, development community
Annoyances (not a deal breaker)
- Separate switch on the side of Do not Disturb, Silent, Loud mode. Why on earth this can't be done via volume keys (Mute -> Vibrate -> Loud) and perhaps few other modes?
- Fingerprint reader., especially in the middle of the screen. Mobile device makers are attempting to convince us that bio-metrics are safe, while even US government wasn't able to prevent breach of biometric data of its own employees..
- Mobile camera in the corner, not in the middle of the back panel - in place of a fingerprint. Sometimes camera is obstructed by fingers, perhaps it is just a matter of habit.
Deal breaker:
- Crappy camera with lack of optical image stabilization. No matter what software does via EIS - it is not the same
Outcome: OnePlus 5T returned.
Then - decided to get Pixel 2 XL, hoping that it would get better shots. What a disaster of a phone it is.. around 1,100 Canadian - that is on sale.
Pros:
- Perhaps camera, but in two days took some photos, they didn't look nice either
Deal breaker/disasters:
- Screen - non bright, cheap looking
- I also didn't like the curvy screen. No benefits, as the image is displayed on front of the screen, not on the curves. Only adds to ridiculous and unnecessary cost of the device.
- Screen edges - round. Maybe this is Google's "Style", but falls into a complete disaster category in my book. Even worse - initial version of the software had these roundish corners on top, and at the bottom had three white software keys on black background. Of course when the menu was on, lower corners were squared. When you look at combination of round above, and squared below - you feel like you are not seeing right, and time to visit a nuthouse.
- Even better - with the update to fix burn in issue - menu became lighter / grey color, with transparency - with white buttons. When you are hitting the soft buttons - your mind registers as if you are hitting background.
- Support.. Google won't admit that they include screen burn in issue as part of their warranty. But they do - it took > 10 minutes in chat with Google Support to squeeze out of them the simple confirmation that burn in is covered by the 2 year warranty. So if you are unfortunate to end up with Pixel XL 2 and can't squeeze the confirmation from Google - IM me, and I will gladly share the conversation transcript
- Even better.. when you tap on the phone while it is off (and on too) - it is making hollow sound in the middle, hollow surface is approximately 2./3 of the width of the phone (in the middle) and 3/4 of the phone vertically (in the middle). This gives a feeling of a very cheap and uneven device which doesn't feel solid.
Outcome: Pixel 2 XL returned..
But the phone is still needed.. I looked on Ebay - there are many brand new Nexus 5 and 5X for couple of hundred bucks.. Also, yesterdays hardware is dirt cheap brand new. E.g. Lg G4 is $120. Yes, G4s randomly die, not all of them can be rooted, but still.
Nexues run Camera NX.. Also, just realized, that before Pixels, Google used to publish their camera software without limitations to their own hardware. APK sites should have old versions of the software. When you are looking for older hardware, remember that Camera NX needs 64 bit CPU.
If you are still on the fence, good luck with the choice! And remember that if you do not need latest and greatest - you can get solid performers (models from a year or few ago) for 1/5th of their initial price.

You may consider the camera.

Went from Pixel 2xl to 5t.
I miss the dual front speakers
I miss the camera
5t charging speed is insane
5t battery is amazing
Do I regret it, hell no.
5t is the tits

martinez5241 said:
Went from Pixel 2xl to 5t.
I miss the dual front speakers
I miss the camera
5t charging speed is insane
5t battery is amazing
Do I regret it, hell no.
5t is the tits
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How's the feel in hands ?
Is the screen that much a difference ?

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Can you elaborate a bit more ?
How's the feel in hands ?
Is the screen that much a difference ?
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In hand the 5t feels slick and lighter than the 2xl. The 2xl I had it without a case and was able to grab the phone a lot better than I could with the 5t without a case. That being said yes both phone have fallen from my hands or from my lap when I get out of the car. The 5t is able to take a hit better than the 2xl. The 2xl casing cracked, the 5t casing only has scratches. Also, ive actually dropped the 5t in the bathtub of running water as I watched better call Saul while showering. I did Grab it quick but it was fully submerged. Phone still works. Sweet.
Didn't notice much screen size difference.
One other thing the lowest screen setting isn't low enough when laying in bed at night time, you'll need to download an app to make it lower. My wife has the pixelxl, her screen goes much lower than mine.
I grew up Google fan from original Nexus to Nexus 6p, pixel XL, pixel 2 xl. In an attempt to sell my slightly damaged p2xl someone offered me this new 5t in box with $300 cash in addition. I figured why not... I'm glad I did.
I stopped flashing ROMs due to always coming back to original stock with magisk.

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In hand the 5t feels slick and lighter than the 2xl. The 2xl I had it without a case and was able to grab the phone a lot better than I could with the 5t without a case. That being said yes both phone have fallen from my hands or from my lap when I get out of the car. The 5t is able to take a hit better than the 2xl. The 2xl casing cracked, the 5t casing only has scratches. Also, ive actually dropped the 5t in the bathtub of running water as I watched better call Saul while showering. I did Grab it quick but it was fully submerged. Phone still works. Sweet.
Didn't notice much screen size difference.
One other thing the lowest screen setting isn't low enough when laying in bed at night time, you'll need to download an app to make it lower. My wife has the pixelxl, her screen goes much lower than mine.
I grew up Google fan from original Nexus to Nexus 6p, pixel XL, pixel 2 xl. In an attempt to sell my slightly damaged p2xl someone offered me this new 5t in box with $300 cash in addition. I figured why not... I'm glad I did.
I stopped flashing ROMs due to always coming back to original stock with magisk.
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Great, and regarding the screen quality / colors / contrast & black crush ?

I went from 5T to first gen. Pixel XL. Simply put, 5T camera is crap. I got a feeling that the problems with the camera wont never be fixed properly. If good quality photos are needed, I cant recommend the 5T.
Otherwise 5T is a great device and I liked it.

I'm switching from the 5T to a Pixel 2 XL (ordered with a good deal) just for the pure Android/fast updates and better camera. 5T is an awesome device specially for money.

5T is amazing. The biggest and pretty much only downfall is the camera between this and pixel XL 2, and I personally am talking from coming from the original pixel XL, which camera was also better there. If you can get past the camera, 5T is the way to go.

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Also came from the 2 XL and I'm not one to try every flagship on the market before deciding which one to keep.
I had exchanged the 2 XL for defects twice. From touchscreen issues to dead pixel clusters. I eventually decided the display wasn't worth the price of the phone.
The blue shift is way over blown. Two of the devices I received had it and one didn't. It's not something that bugged me or noticed in daily use.
What did bug me was horrible brightness uniformity and graininess. And between receiving 3 different devices there were massive variations in display quality (color temperature, graininess, digitizer response). So it seems like buying one is like playing the lotto.
I miss the camera and the front facing speakers (no where near HTC m7,m8, m9 quality but better than the 5t).
It's a nice phone but it's not worth $1k.

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5T is amazing. The biggest and pretty much only downfall is the camera between this and pixel XL 2, and I personally am talking from coming from the original pixel XL, which camera was also better there. If you can get past the camera, 5T is the way to go.
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I came from an original pixel to the 5T, yes the pixel camera was better but imo some pictures look more natural looking with the 5T camera. I guess it's down to personal taste. Low light photos the 5T isn't as great as the pixel but it's still a good camera on the 5T.

I came from the 2nd gen Pixel and would not hesitate to recommend the 5t. The screen on the 5T has better color saturation and higher max brightness. Scrolling/smoothness isn't quite as good on the 5T, but it flies just as fast. Dash charge is insanely fast. The camera on the 5T can perform just as well as the Pixel under the right conditions but I wouldn't count on it for every point and shoot situation like you can with the Pixel. I snapped the attached pic a couple of week ago and thought it turned out great with absolutely no editing. The Google cases were cool, but the OnePlus Ebony wood bumper is the best I've had on a phone and now that there's a sandstone white variant, it looks just as good without a case. The biggest reason for me to switch to the 5T was the developer community. Since you're on XDA I would assume you're in to ROMs and customization which has already exploded for the 5T only a month or so in and for the Pixel is pretty well nonexistent. Phones are pretty much expensive toys for me and the Pixel was way more expensive, offered a great experience, but was ultimately way less fun.

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I came from the 2nd gen Pixel and would not hesitate to recommend the 5t. The screen on the 5T has better color saturation and higher max brightness. Scrolling/smoothness isn't quite as good on the 5T, but it flies just as fast. Dash charge is insanely fast. The camera on the 5T can perform just as well as the Pixel under the right conditions but I wouldn't count on it for every point and shoot situation like you can with the Pixel. I snapped the attached pic a couple of week ago and thought it turned out great with absolutely no editing. The Google cases were cool, but the OnePlus Ebony wood bumper is the best I've had on a phone and now that there's a sandstone white variant, it looks just as good without a case. The biggest reason for me to switch to the 5T was the developer community. Since you're on XDA I would assume you're in to ROMs and customization which has already exploded for the 5T only a month or so in and for the Pixel is pretty well nonexistent. Phones are pretty much expensive toys for me and the Pixel was way more expensive, offered a great experience, but was ultimately way less fun.
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That's an awesome shot indeed, and a lovely looking dog
I think I've got a pretty rough idea of what I want in a phone, and sadly as of now, there is no such thing.
I'll probably be taking a 5T and see how I like it. I know the camera isn't gonna to be as good, but I've seen like every YouTube videos that exists on the subject in the past few days and I think the only way I can decide is to try by myself.
I will keep this thread updated when I'll be receiving mine if I indeed do take one, so that the people that are in such situation, having a supposed superb flagship and that are disappointed can find a bit of information switching to a supposed "worse" phone.

Pixel 3 or 3 XL?

I just came across a offer on the Pixel 3 and 3 XL 128GB, but I can't decide between the 3 or 3 XL.
How is the screen quality on the 3 compared to XL? Is it brighter, and is it easy to hide the notch on the XL?
Is the battery life noticeably better on the XL?

The XL has a nicer Samsung screen. The 3's screen is an LG.

Quasar83 said:
I just came across a offer on the Pixel 3 and 3 XL 128GB, but I can't decide between the 3 or 3 XL.
How is the screen quality on the 3 compared to XL? Is it brighter, and is it easy to hide the notch on the XL?
Is the battery life noticeably better on the XL?
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I use the Pixel 3 XL, when I saw the Pixel 3 it looked too small for me, though for some people that can be a good matter. I think both screens are at an equal fighting ground For more context the the larger one uses a Samsung OLED panel, while the smaller one uses and LG OLED panel. The colors appear to maybe pop a little more on smaller one, however the larger one has a more true to life panel. I like the screen screen on my Pixel 3 XL it does look a little warmer than cooler. Hiding the notch is so easy and I think Google did it the best way because the top partially virtual bezel looks equivalent to the bottom. Nearly all apps mostly work with that, very rarely the UI looks weird these days. I get 5 hours screen on time with around 20ish left on a average day. Battery life should improve over time, I must warn you the bloody ide drain is ridiculous and to correct I only found by using scripts.

Thank you for responding. Maybe it's best to buy the XL and just hide the notch.

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Thank you for responding. Maybe it's best to buy the XL and just hide the notch.
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Go for the Xl. Better battery and nicer overall. I think it's also had more development as far as ROMs.
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I must warn you the bloody ide drain is ridiculous and to correct I only found by using scripts.
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Any chance you'd be interested in PMing me those scripts. I'm coming from an LG V20 and it was a pretty mediocre phone but it's idle drain was phenomenal. Lowest I've been able to get my 3XL is 1.7% so far.
I concur on the XL over the regular version. Unless you specifically want a phone that is smaller and like to use it 1 handed then the battery life alone is worth the XL. The screen is better on the XL but it's not night and day difference and is not that noticeable

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Any chance you'd be interested in PMing me those scripts. I'm coming from an LG V20 and it was a pretty mediocre phone but it's idle drain was phenomenal. Lowest I've been able to get my 3XL is 1.7% so far.
I concur on the XL over the regular version. Unless you specifically want a phone that is smaller and like to use it 1 handed then the battery life alone is worth the XL. The screen is better on the XL but it's not night and day difference and is not that noticeable
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Check the forums for Blackened Mod, and to further elaborate I just mean that with these scripts, I drain 2%-3% over night I have not calculated per hour metrics.

Still 3 XL in 2020?
Came across a very good offer for Pixel 3XL and don't know what to do...
I had 2 XL and enjoyed it tremendously. Gave it to my wife, since her Gemini Pro died.
Bought used Note 9, but I couldn't get used to it - somehow....
Why the hell I couldn't synchronise S Notes data, with my computer, why Samsung ditched support for nearby places in dialer, why the hell Galaxy Watch needs so many permissions, why Galaxy watch plugin draining the battery - on Samsung device (!), bad BT range on Note 9, etc...
I ended up with the project to replace all stock apps with Google ones and had double of most of them. I found out that when you integrate most of the Google services, than the battery is not that good anymore. I ended up selling it.
Since I am used to Google services and I use them also on my computer, the Pixel line is the only good choice, I think - but I might be wrong...
I need:
Exceptional Camera, Google Photos backup in original resolution, wide phablet, not so tall, decent speed (I don't play games), good battery (Blackened Mod ???), reasonable amount of storage (128 GB?), front stereo speakers, monthly security updates and: I know that I can expect system updates to Android 11 and 12....
More demanding stuff will be only Office, Acad and that sort of app...
I am not planning to spent 1000 EUR on 4XL, 2XL costed me that much back then....
.... Maybe Oneplus 7T (it has an average camera...don't like it + an issue of not saving videos in appropriate format to use them elsewhere)??
What do you guys think?

Gregzi said:
Still 3 XL in 2020?
Came across a very good offer for Pixel 3XL and don't know what to do...
I had 2 XL and enjoyed it tremendously. Gave it to my wife, since her Gemini Pro died.
Bought used Note 9, but I couldn't get used to it - somehow....
Why the hell I couldn't synchronise S Notes data, with my computer, why Samsung ditched support for nearby places in dialer, why the hell Galaxy Watch needs so many permissions, why Galaxy watch plugin draining the battery - on Samsung device (!), bad BT range on Note 9, etc...
I ended up with the project to replace all stock apps with Google ones and had double of most of them. I found out that when you integrate most of the Google services, than the battery is not that good anymore. I ended up selling it.
Since I am used to Google services and I use them also on my computer, the Pixel line is the only good choice, I think - but I might be wrong...
I need:
Exceptional Camera, Google Photos backup in original resolution, wide phablet, not so tall, decent speed (I don't play games), good battery (Blackened Mod ???), reasonable amount of storage (128 GB?), front stereo speakers, monthly security updates and: I know that I can expect system updates to Android 11 and 12....
More demanding stuff will be only Office, Acad and that sort of app...
I am not planning to spent 1000 EUR on 4XL, 2XL costed me that much back then....
.... Maybe Oneplus 7T (it has an average camera...don't like it + an issue of not saving videos in appropriate format to use them elsewhere)??
What do you guys think?
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The Pixel 3 XL can be defined as fitting those requirements. The screen reminds me of a refined Nexus 6P, more phablet rather than tall. Blackenmod will better the idle time, there are other ways to increase battery like greenify. Original photo quality backups still exists for it and the camera is still exceptional today due to the nature and refined sensor. CAD software and Microsoft Office should run fine, I have used both not too long ago on it. The OnePlus 7T has more ram/storage if you really need it, and the battery is larger. I would say chose one based on what you value more/more updated hardware or a more optimized experience, both devices are great options though I personally would still chose a Pixel.

Go with the XL
Pixel 3 has better in hand feel, built a little sleeker and is a great phone. The battery was the deal-breaker for me. My 3 XL gave me drastically better battery life, so much better that I'm ignoring the hideous notch. They say you get over it but I never really did. I do like the edge to edge display though. The difference in battery makes me strongly recommend the XL.
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I just came across a offer on the Pixel 3 and 3 XL 128GB, but I can't decide between the 3 or 3 XL.
How is the screen quality on the 3 compared to XL? Is it brighter, and is it easy to hide the notch on the XL?
Is the battery life noticeably better on the XL?
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RagedElimanator said:
The Pixel 3 XL can be defined as fitting those requirements. The screen reminds me of a refined Nexus 6P, more phablet rather than tall. Blackenmod will better the idle time, there are other ways to increase battery like greenify. Original photo quality backups still exists for it and the camera is still exceptional today due to the nature and refined sensor. CAD software and Microsoft Office should run fine, I have used both not too long ago on it. The OnePlus 7T has more ram/storage if you really need it, and the battery is larger. I would say chose one based on what you value more/more updated hardware or a more optimized experience, both devices are great options though I personally would still chose a Pixel.
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I was even thinking about the 7 Pro, all sorts of things were crossing my mind...
But after reading This, I think that 3XL will better suit my needs.
Oneplus are great devices but as that guy said: Pixel line has "a little magic" over everything else...
The 3XL is on its way here, managed to get it for less than 400 EUR - open box and tested only....Will see if I made a mistake when it arrives...

RagedElimanator said:
The Pixel 3 XL can be defined as fitting those requirements. The screen reminds me of a refined Nexus 6P, more phablet rather than tall. Blackenmod will better the idle time, there are other ways to increase battery like greenify. Original photo quality backups still exists for it and the camera is still exceptional today due to the nature and refined sensor. CAD software and Microsoft Office should run fine, I have used both not too long ago on it. The OnePlus 7T has more ram/storage if you really need it, and the battery is larger. I would say chose one based on what you value more/more updated hardware or a more optimized experience, both devices are great options though I personally would still chose a Pixel.
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Apparently you missed the exceptional camera part lol

OK I got the 3XL 64GB .for 370 EUR (someone tested it and returned it back to the Shop) practically new, hadn't found a single micro scratch
First impressions vey positive, no issues whatsoever, battery health OK (98%).:good:
I think that his phone is still a good buy in the middle of 2020, especially since it is the last Pixel with unlimited photo storage for original photo resolution until 2022
I am easily getting 6 hours of SOT, AOD included, full stock, unrooted.

Bought used 3XL. Great device for the money that it cost at the moment. Even with a notch

I can get the 64gig version brand new from sprint for $300 plus tax to buy it outright.
I'm sure this would be a huge upgrade from my LG G6,
Is it still worth it for this price??????
I considered the 4xl when it was on sale for 600, but I really like the fingerprint sensor over face unlock