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LED notification - different on White/Grey versions?

I'm now on my 3rd unlocked European One X for one reason or another - the white one's LED was just right - I could clearly see from a distance if it was charging or flashing. The two grey ones I've had both had barely visible LEDs, which I can't see when the phone isn't right in front of me or when it's at an angle. Is this a problem with some of the phones in gereral or is it just an issue with the grey model? Cheers.

Your 2 grey phones may have been defective, but in general white surfaces reflect more light than black/grey surfaces. This could have made it appear as though the lights were of differing brightnesses, or just that the white phone reflects more of the led's light.

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pingu01 said:
I'm now on my 3rd unlocked European One X for one reason or another - the white one's LED was just right - I could clearly see from a distance if it was charging or flashing. The two grey ones I've had both had barely visible LEDs, which I can't see when the phone isn't right in front of me or when it's at an angle. Is this a problem with some of the phones in gereral or is it just an issue with the grey model? Cheers.
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My grey one is just the same regarding the LED, it's a pixel sized flash as it is shining through one of the "precision" drilled ear speaker holes, so you have to be almost looking directly down on it to see it, certainly in normal lighting conditions.
I expect the white is just a bit more translucent so you see a bigger area of light.
It is one of those silly design decisions that HTC seem to make sometimes! The LED should be behind the glass at the top right where the border is, in the same way the other sits the light sensor. I've always assumed it was last minute rushed job to add an LED, and as after thought they just had to place it where they could that didn't mean reworking the phones design.
Some phones don't have LEDs at all. I'm not sure why a notification LED has fallen out of fashion, I find it really useful, for example I leave my desk to make a drink or see someone or for a comfort break, then arrive back to my desk, a quick look down at my phone I know nothing arrived while I was away and it saves turning the screen on to check.
Regards
Phil

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Your 2 grey phones may have been defective, but in general white surfaces reflect more light than black/grey surfaces. This could have made it appear as though the lights were of differing brightnesses, or just that the white phone reflects more of the led's light.
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It must be a defect which happens to be on the 2 grey phones then because the difference is huge - one is barely visible and the other I can easily see from across the room (it's probably 30 or so times brighter). Hopefully my 4th One X, which is on its way, will be ok (the white one with the good LED has the wifi problem so that's going back).

Irregular Display Lighting (with Pictures)

I have a visible light strip at the top of the display... what should I do? I say to myself I don't care but it annoys me because I keep noticing it.
Here pictures, please check them out:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/...xWVXBiUGhRTG9MR19qTTVlejJkQ3RYdUk?ltmpl=drive

That's light bleed

do you have it too? should I send it back or do all lg g4 have this?

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Weird... heres the drive folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/...xWVXBiUGhRTG9MR19qTTVlejJkQ3RYdUk?ltmpl=drive
Do you guys have this too?

ruzkay said:
Weird... heres the drive folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/...xWVXBiUGhRTG9MR19qTTVlejJkQ3RYdUk?ltmpl=drive
Do you guys have this too?
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That's light bleed - light seeping from the backlight into the edges of the display. Happens when the display is compressed/bent during installation into the phone. Nothing you can do about it but get the phone exchanged if it bothers you that much. However, if you exchange it, it's the luck of the draw - you might get a better one or a much worse one.
Unfortunately, all LCD displays are prone to this, as manufacturers would have to reject something like 50% of them otherwise - I had to go through SIX brand-new 27" Dell monitors before I found two that I could live with - and they're still far from perfect.
I had to exchange my iPad Mini twice to get a good display, and my Nexus 9 three times. It's totally random. Got lucky with my G4 that has a perfect screen (though I had to exchange it, too, as the first one had dust stuck between the front glass and the display panel).
Manufacturers just have really low "acceptable quality" standards to maximize profits/units sold, as many people will never notice those issues.

siraltus said:
That's light bleed - light seeping from the backlight into the edges of the display. Happens when the display is compressed/bent during installation into the phone. Nothing you can do about it but get the phone exchanged if it bothers you that much. However, if you exchange it, it's the luck of the draw - you might get a better one or a much worse one.
Unfortunately, all LCD displays are prone to this, as manufacturers would have to reject something like 50% of them otherwise - I had to go through SIX brand-new 27" Dell monitors before I found two that I could live with - and they're still far from perfect.
I had to exchange my iPad Mini twice to get a good display, and my Nexus 9 three times. It's totally random. Got lucky with my G4 that has a perfect screen (though I had to exchange it, too, as the first one had dust stuck between the front glass and the display panel).
Manufacturers just have really low "acceptable quality" standards to maximize profits/units sold, as many people will never notice those issues.
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I see thanks, I had some light bleed (I knew what it is didn't remember the english word LOL) on my N4 too but nowhere near this and it didn't seem like a solid strip more random...
Sent it back... hope I got luck with the next one, and hope Amazon is quick my current phones battery is pretty much dead...

Screen Bleed?

Does anyone else have a little but of backlight bleeding on the bottom right of their 10?
Oddly enough it isn't visible on a black screen, only colors. Grey seems to be when it is most visible, such as the calculator app.

I think I might have a very slight amount of bleed. I never would have noticed it though unless I was looking for it.

jaredkzr said:
I think I might have a very slight amount of bleed. I never would have noticed it though unless I was looking for it.
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Same spot?

PR4X15 said:
Same spot?
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Yep. Lower right corner. It does seem to show up better on gray.

jaredkzr said:
Yep. Lower right corner. It does seem to show up better on gray.
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Hmm, interesting. It's definitely not enough to warrant an exgange or anything in my opinion.
Still kind of annoying though.

Almost all LCD screens have some form of light bleed. My G4 has light bleed around the edges, if you're in a dark room with moderately high brightness. Not noticeable any other time.

Sammae7 said:
Almost all LCD screens have some form of light bleed. My G4 has light bleed around the edges, if you're in a dark room with moderately high brightness. Not noticeable any other time.
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I suppose I'm surprised only because the M8 that I had exhibited zero bleed.
Like I said before, not a huge deal, just a bit curious.

I just noticed some light bleed on the exact same spot: lower right corner. Is your display a Tianma by chance? Can it get worse over time? To be honest, I didn't notice any bleeding on the M8 or M9 either, so I'm a bit surprised as well.

Light bleed should not get worse over time.

Either I'm blind or I don't have any bleed.

I'm kind of dissapointed of HTC quality. All my android phones are/were HTC but I think that their quality is getting worser. Month ago I've decided to buy HTC A9, first unit had crackling earpiece. Replaced it and the second unit already had burned spots on the AMOLED. Then I've decided to spend some extra cash and replaced the second A9 with HTC 10. The first unit had 2mm white spot 1cm above the fingerprint scanner. The screen was also a bit dimmer and at full brightness the LCD grid was clearly visible. There was also a gap above the earpiece from where I was able to see the headphone jack internals, so probably a few rain drops and the phone is bye bye. The second HTC 10 have some gaps here and there but nothing major...they'll fill with dust and durt over time, so there will be no gaps .and yes the there is backlight bleed in the lower right corner also smaller amount bleeding on the entire lenght of the upper part of the screen. I've noticed the bleed right away when I was still at store, but honestly I have never seen LCD without even small amount of backlight bleedind and also I gave up on finding the perfect HTC A9 or HTC 10 , so I'm keeping the second one and I'll try to forget about the price paid.
....I don't think that matters, but yes mine display is Tianma.

same here, fa67 black, tianma 2 weeks old
whiteness on the lower right (it seems bigger in calc app), above home button, but gently pressing and holding between scanner-home button disappears that.
i think there is a small gap in the screen, but this annoys me

Neither here, I have a Tianma panel, but I am struggling to understand where the light is bleeding?
Front of my phone is black, so screen is up against front black bezel, where would it bleed to ?
any chance for a photo example?

Does anything replace the now missing LED notification light?

I've been reading as many articles about the Note 10+ and haven't seen anything regarding the removal of the LED notification light. On the S10, the front camera has that halo, but does the Note 10? Just curious because the notification light is probably one of the most useful features for me on my Note 8.
Thanks for your help.

The "halo" doesn't work as a missing notification indicator.
You can only see them on AoD when your screen is off.
Once you receive a notification edges of your screen will start glowing but only for that moment you receive a notification.

I wish they would put an LED behind the speaker like HTC did with their One M7 back in the day.

cpufrost said:
I wish they would put an LED behind the speaker like HTC did with their One M7 back in the day.
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Almost impossible to do. The speaker grill is so thin that you'd barely notice any LED there.

Rofos2011 said:
Almost impossible to do. The speaker grill is so thin that you'd barely notice any LED there.
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Small RGB array off axis with a folded light pipe would work. It could make the entire slit light up bright enough that you'd see it bounce off the ceiling at night!

cpufrost said:
I wish they would put an LED behind the speaker like HTC did with their One M7 back in the day.
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cpufrost said:
Small RGB array off axis with a folded light pipe would work. It could make the entire slit light up bright enough that you'd see it bounce off the ceiling at night!
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Dunno. I mean, it's REALLY thin. It was hard for me even to capture it.

Get LED back cover...:cyclops:

Or a smart watch...

Had an htc one. That led was useless. So small youncouldnt see it unless it was in a very dark room.
Im not sure what the note 10 will have.
But betting it will probably be done via the screen like the s10

The LED was bright but it had to be viewed head on. It had no viewing angle. It could be made to to work but probably never will be because it will increase the cost by a dollar or two. And with millions of phones that is expensive!

coxcj77 said:
I've been reading as many articles about the Note 10+ and haven't seen anything regarding the removal of the LED notification light. On the S10, the front camera has that halo, but does the Note 10? Just curious because the notification light is probably one of the most useful features for me on my Note 8.
Thanks for your help.
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I've been using Holey Light on my S10+
I hope it works for the N10+
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s10/themes/app-holey-light-t3917675

guyd said:
I've been using Holey Light on my S10+
I hope it works for the N10+
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s10/themes/app-holey-light-t3917675
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Same here, I love Holey Light in my S10+.
If not I will use the app AOE which I'm using on my OnePlus 7 Pro.

bp328i said:
Same here, I love Holey Light in my S10+.
If not I will use the app AOE which I'm using on my OnePlus 7 Pro.
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Holey Light hasn't been updated since April. Use LED Me Know, it's amazing.

But those apps prevent the phone to enter deep sleep :/

akersch said:
Holey Light hasn't been updated since April. Use LED Me Know, it's amazing.
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Tried it, not a fan, I'll stick with AOE until (if ever) Holey Light works with the Note 10+
AOE has a lot more options for light styles and very minimal battery impact.

bp328i said:
Tried it, not a fan, I'll stick with AOE until (if ever) Holey Light works with the Note 10+
AOE has a lot more options for light styles and very minimal battery impact.
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I disagree. I think LED Me Know does a much better job with customization and battery. And it doesn't require a third party AOD, which is ridiculous for AOE to do in my opinion. But to each their own.

akersch said:
I disagree. I think LED Me Know does a much better job with customization and battery. And it doesn't require a third party AOD, which is ridiculous for AOE to do in my opinion. But to each their own.
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Exactly to each their own, I don't use a third-party AOD with AOE I used tap to show the stock Samsung AOD.
As far as customization goes, LED Me Know gives you the option of basically a dot. AOE does that plus camera cutout, around the outer edge of the full screen, just the top and bottom, or just the sides. Different animations of the color/colors as you can choose up to three colors for each animation. LED Me does none of that.

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Exactly to each their own, I don't use a third-party AOD with AOE I used tap to show the stock Samsung AOD.
As far as customization goes, LED Me Know gives you the option of basically a dot. AOE does that plus camera cutout, around the outer edge of the full screen, just the top and bottom, or just the sides. Different animations of the color/colors as you can choose up to three colors for each animation. LED Me does none of that.
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Right, LED Me Know is simple. It saves on battery. It's literally a replacement for the missing LED. If I want flashy stuff on my AOD, I'll just turn on Edge Lighting.
Not to mention that AOE tends to be buggy, doesn't always work right, and the UI is just absolutely atrocious. It's so confusing to setup! LED Me Know is so simple and straightforward which is better for the masses.

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Right, LED Me Know is simple. It saves on battery. It's literally a replacement for the missing LED. If I want flashy stuff on my AOD, I'll just turn on Edge Lighting.
Not to mention that AOE tends to be buggy, doesn't always work right, and the UI is just absolutely atrocious. It's so confusing to setup! LED Me Know is so simple and straightforward which is better for the masses.
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AOE has been updated many times, including the UI. Once you understand it and set it up correctly it works perfect every time. Yes it is a little daunting for people that don't understand how it works.
AOE battery use at the end of the day is usually less than 1%.
The issue with Edge Lighting is it turns off after a few seconds so it's pointless as a LED notification unless you're basically sitting on top of your phone. Which at that point you don't really need one anyways.
That's a great thing about Android, choices. You like LED Me and I like AOE.
Enjoy

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AOE has been updated many times, including the UI. Once you understand it and set it up correctly it works perfect every time. Yes it is a little daunting for people that don't understand how it works.
AOE battery use at the end of the day is usually less than 1%.
The issue with Edge Lighting is it turns off after a few seconds so it's pointless as a LED notification unless you're basically sitting on top of your phone. Which at that point you don't really need one anyways.
That's a great thing about Android, choices. You like LED Me and I like AOE.
Enjoy
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Well I think we can ALL agree that Android is far superior to Apple in ever way, especially the abundance of free choices on our Play Store

Subtle purple edge tint in very low light? (S20+)

Anybody else noticing an extremely subtle light purple-ish haze on the edges of extremely low light photos - i.e. where the dark/black areas are in a low light photo around the edges?
It's subtle. It's a reach to see it at times. But this is an expensive phone, so I'm going to nitpick... It reminds me of the old issues with the HTC One M7 and some older Motorola devices, though on a much more subtle level. I'm probably crazy, but I know I'm seeing it at times.
Snapdragon S20+ here (Verizon variant)

Ok, so I realize it would've helped my first post with some photos and additional info. Please keep in mind, I love the camera on this phone 90% of the time, but this 10% is an issue that reminds me of the old days (per my first post). I have two sets of photos... First are the originals, uploaded, and added into Photoshop with a black "frame" to help you see the haze better. The second set is a photo from my iPhone of what those photos look like on my S20's screen. Reality lies somewhere in between the two. The second set over-emphasizes more than what I see on the screen, and the first set mutes it too much. These photos are night mode photos, which I realized after my first post helps to accentuate and show the issue.
Ultimately the problem seems to be how the software and/or sensor are handling the extremes when you have a bright light source as the focal point, and dark outer edges (again, reminiscent of oooold devices). Anyway, the photos are attached. Hopefully that help clarifies it a bit more. It's nitpicky, as there aren't many scenarios where this would come up. But it's a $1k+ phone... I feel like I'm allowed to be nitpicky.

Is it always on the left side of the phone screen? i.e. always on the top of the phone? or does it change to either side when you rotate the phone (could be on the top or bottom sides)? I have not observed this purple thint issue, but your third photo shows that it is extremely bad.

Sleepycat3 said:
Is it always on the left side of the phone screen? i.e. always on the top of the phone? or does it change to either side when you rotate the phone (could be on the top or bottom sides)? I have not observed this purple thint issue, but your third photo shows that it is extremely bad.
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No, it's more pronounced on the left there due to the lighting in that situation. But if you look at the fourth picture you can see it's relatively even on both sides where things start to darken.

jntdroid said:
No, it's more pronounced on the left there due to the lighting in that situation. But if you look at the fourth picture you can see it's relatively even on both sides where things start to darken.
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I'm not saying it's normal, I too suffered from the HTC M7 syndrome but in those specific photos, is the purple haze coming from a TV light on your left? Is there any tv screen running when you took the pictures?

Tabtoub said:
I'm not saying it's normal, I too suffered from the HTC M7 syndrome but in those specific photos, is the purple haze coming from a TV light on your left? Is there any tv screen running when you took the pictures?
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No - no TV's on anywhere. The purple haze is coming from the especially dark areas.

Just checked on mine s20+ exynos, other than very minor green tint no issues, if i were you i would replace it asap - something isnt right

Klopers33 said:
Just checked on mine s20+ exynos, other than very minor green tint no issues, if i were you i would replace it asap - something isnt right
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I bought an unlocked S20 (+ was too large for me anyway) and tested it last night in the exact same spot and exact same scenario, and very little haze at all with no purple. I can see what it's trying to do - it's trying to lighten up those darker areas, but for some reason on that S20+ it was making it purple-ish and just plane ugly. It doesn't look "great" on the regular S20, but it's at least not purple and clearly just trying to lighten it up. S20+ is already on its way back for the return.