Hi all, I've just joined here and I'm interested in fitting an android double din head unit.
After reading loads of stuff on here I decided I wanted an MTCD unit. I struggled to find anything as I need a unit with a DVD drive. I've now bought a unit from reseller Pumpkin which they told me was an MTCD unit. I've just powered it up and it turns out it is a Klyde MTCB unit. My question is, should I keep the unit or send it back and keep looking for an MTCD one - is there any real advantage of getting one over the other as the specs seem pretty much the same.
Whichever unit I end up keeping I plan to use Malaysk ROM.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JULCTYE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A17YHR60ETNWLC&psc=1
Thoughts? Thinking about ordering one.
I just returned a headunit from ATOTO because it worked like crap.
I like the prospect of 7.1 and offline maps already installed.
Quadcore vs Octacore I don't think makes a huge difference here.
Would love to know opinions.
I have a similar product to this with the product ID "B071LT7LC3" on Amazon. (I cannot post links yet) From the looks of things, my unit is likely the same hardware as yours, only with a different front panel and added DVD player. This is the information I read from the device:
MCU version: MTCD_XRC_V2.52_1
Build number: px3-userdebug 7.1.1 NMF26X eng.hct.20170527.145603 test-keys
Kernerl version: 3.0.101+ [email protected] #550
Model: px3 (800x480 O)
I sadly managed to brick mine by running an incompatible root method for Joying devices via Wireless ADB. I have not found a root method actually works on these units yet. If you are looking for an Android stereo that you can root, look elsewhere. I got a copy of the firmware from Hizpo, but not even that can fix the damage I did to it. It is with this warning I hope to prevent you making the same expensive mistake.
Note that you cannot use these units with a PC via USB, you must use Wireless ADB using an app. Use "126" to get into your factory settings and play with those, or "adbon" to enable debugging. You can also download a Development Options app to reach those settings, as they are hidden. The various methods of recoveries, including the one provided by the seller (Hold down the power button, turn on the power to the radio, release after 5 seconds and wait 30 to reach the recovery), did not seem to work for me either. It is possible I corrupted that too, but I am not sure.
I will happily share any other opinions I have about the unit if I ever manage to get it unbricked.
AndroidBricking said:
I have a similar product to this with the product ID "B071LT7LC3" on Amazon. (I cannot post links yet) From the looks of things, my unit is likely the same hardware as yours, only with a different front panel and added DVD player. This is the information I read from the device:
MCU version: MTCD_XRC_V2.52_1
Build number: px3-userdebug 7.1.1 NMF26X eng.hct.20170527.145603 test-keys
Kernerl version: 3.0.101+ [email protected] #550
Model: px3 (800x480 O)
I sadly managed to brick mine by running an incompatible root method for Joying devices via Wireless ADB. I have not found a root method actually works on these units yet. If you are looking for an Android stereo that you can root, look elsewhere. I got a copy of the firmware from Hizpo, but not even that can fix the damage I did to it. It is with this warning I hope to prevent you making the same expensive mistake.
Note that you cannot use these units with a PC via USB, you must use Wireless ADB using an app. Use "126" to get into your factory settings and play with those, or "adbon" to enable debugging. You can also download a Development Options app to reach those settings, as they are hidden. The various methods of recoveries, including the one provided by the seller (Hold down the power button, turn on the power to the radio, release after 5 seconds and wait 30 to reach the recovery), did not seem to work for me either. It is possible I corrupted that too, but I am not sure.
I will happily share any other opinions I have about the unit if I ever manage to get it unbricked.
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FYI - there are literally 1000s of different MTCD units by about 10 different manufacturers, they all share pretty much the same hardware and the software is interchangeable
typos1 said:
FYI - there are literally 1000s of different MTCD units by about 10 different manufacturers, they all share pretty much the same hardware and the software is interchangeable
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But certainly not root methods and certain firmwares. Pick the wrong one and you can brick your device beyond restoration - to the point where the recovery does not work and no firmware update worked to fix it. I had to get a new unit.
AndroidBricking said:
But certainly not root methods and certain firmwares. Pick the wrong one and you can brick your device beyond restoration - to the point where the recovery does not work and no firmware update worked to fix it. I had to get a new unit.
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Yes, all RK3188 MTCD units are the same inside, they use the same SoM and ROMs ARE compatible as long as you get the screen res and processor type correct and even if you get the screen res wrong its no big deal, it wont brick.
However if you flash the firmware from an MTCB unit, or from an entirely different, unrelated unit , its sounds like this is what you did.
I was looking at this, but when I noticed it said PX3 I decided to skip.. Doesn't make sense to not have the PX5 chip.
Now if there was a version with a PX5 on the new os Id be interest.
strykr192 said:
I was looking at this, but when I noticed it said PX3 I decided to skip.. Doesn't make sense to not have the PX5 chip.
Now if there was a version with a PX5 on the new os Id be interest.
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Sure the PX5 will be fast, but the PX3, especially with 2Gb of RAM is perfectly good.
bazgrim01 said:
Thoughts? Thinking about ordering one.
I just returned a headunit from ATOTO because it worked like crap.
I like the prospect of 7.1 and offline maps already installed.
Quadcore vs Octacore I don't think makes a huge difference here.
Would love to know opinions.
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If you decide to order, please update with your impressions. I too tried the ATOTO M4 garbage head unit, and it has almost encouraged me to give up on them entirely. If you find this one to be worthwhile, with it being at a similar price I might give it a shot.
elder-lowater said:
If you decide to order, please update with your impressions. I too tried the ATOTO M4 garbage head unit, and it has almost encouraged me to give up on them entirely. If you find this one to be worthwhile, with it being at a similar price I might give it a shot.
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No need for him to post impressions - its an MTCD unit and theres a whole forum about that you can read to see what theyre like :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/mtcd-discussion-questions-development
Ordered this unit myself. I'll share thoughts after I get it.
Installed, and I'm definitely impressed. Very zippy and sounds great.
ricanxd said:
Installed, and I'm definitely impressed. Very zippy and sounds great.
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What MCU version do you have ?
Xrc v2.54a_1
ricanxd said:
Xrc v2.54a_1
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I meant MTCB/C or MTCD, by the look of it, its MTCD.
Yeah it's a MTCD unit px3
ricanxd said:
Yeah it's a MTCD unit px3
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Lol, yes we know its RK3188/PX3, there are also MTCB and MTCC RK3188/PX3 units around, I wanted to know which you had, B, C or D.
typos1 said:
Lol, yes we know its RK3188/PX3, there are also MTCB and MTCC RK3188/PX3 units around, I wanted to know which you had, B, C or D.
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Gotcha, just got confused since you asked what MCU version. I thought all new units are shipping with MTCD.
ricanxd said:
Gotcha, just got confused since you asked what MCU version. I thought all new units are shipping with MTCD.
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No, not all units are MTCD, I ve heard a rumour that a company is working on MTCB/C N, even if that is untrue then you can still buy MTCB/C units.
That I know. You can still buy KitKat units..
ricanxd said:
That I know. You can still buy KitKat units..
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Yeah, makes me laugh, the sellers must be stupid, why dont they update the KK ones to L ? they can sell them for more.
I only found similar information for another device here. So I decided to share my experience with you.
I got myself an MTCD device which is obviously manufactured by Klyde (MCU code: KLD).
Today I tried to work on the software and found the device to display good reception in terms of WiFi indicator bars and 72Mbps downstream speed. The access point was quite close too. However despite the claimed reception opening web-pages was almost impossible and often ended in timeouts.
For me it was clear the bad "antenna" (which is basically just a cable visible at the back of the device) is the cause for this.
So I decided to change this.
After opening the device I could see that there is an internal "antenna" and a second antenna which is the one visible at the back.
I know the device only has 2.4GHz WiFi so I just cracked up an old USR WLAN router I was not using any more. This router got 2 replaceable antennas and luckily the antenna ports were not soldered to the board but connected using cables.
Therefore I could simply screw the jacks from the WLAN router to the DTV holes (unused on my device) on the back and solder the cables to the board.
Here are some pictures:
After this "surgery" the radio still fits properly to my car. You might have to be careful using antennas which do not stand off too wide at the back of the unit.
The result was a dramatically increased wireless quality. In fact it does not show more signal strength bars than before and also still sticks to 72Mbps but web pages now open immediately, downloads from play store are quick as expected.
Given the fact those antennas are cheap (less than $1 on ebay) I can't really understand why this is not offered stock.
Cool, KLD MTCD units use an RTL8723bu (you can see it near where the 2 antennas are soldered) its a combined BT/WiFi chip so you may get better BT reception too.
typos1 said:
KLD MTCD units use an RTL8723bu ... its a combined BT/WiFi chip so you may get better BT reception too.
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Thanks for the reply. I didn't even check this but looks like you're totally right. I didn't have bluetooth connectivity issues before though. However I didn't use it much yet.
Thank you.
@SkyBeam2048
may I get the information which CPU your unit is working with?
I got a 7.1" unit manufactured by Klyde with an 8-core Cortex-A53 at 1.4GHz.
Unfortunately this unit works with Android 5.1.1 instead of 6.x and I am looking for an update.
Does your unit have something like a deep sleep mode, so that there is no cold boot after a short break?
By the way... I am talking about this unit...
rigattoni said:
@SkyBeam2048
may I get the information which CPU your unit is working with?
I got a 7.1" unit manufactured by Klyde with an 8-core Cortex-A53 at 1.4GHz.
Unfortunately this unit works with Android 5.1.1 instead of 6.x and I am looking for an update.
Does your unit have something like a deep sleep mode, so that there is no cold boot after a short break?
By the way... I am talking about this unit...
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Please post a pic of your settings/about device screen so we know what unit you have ?
rigattoni said:
may I get the information which CPU your unit is working with?
I got a 7.1" unit manufactured by Klyde with an 8-core Cortex-A53 at 1.4GHz.
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My one is a PX5 device (8 core 64-bit [email protected] and 2GB memory.
However without having more information on your device nobody will be able to tell you if you got a PX5 or some custom design.
As asked here you might post the system about screen to get more information on the device you have.
The thread here was mainly opened to discuss about changing antenna on my device. Perhaps it would by worth for you to open your own thread for your issue and how to upgrade (if possible).
SkyBeam2048 said:
My one is a PX5 device (8 core 64-bit [email protected] and 2GB memory.
However without having more information on your device nobody will be able to tell you if you got a PX5 or some custom design.
As asked here you might post the system about screen to get more information on the device you have.
The thread here was mainly opened to discuss about changing antenna on my device. Perhaps it would by worth for you to open your own thread for your issue and how to upgrade (if possible).
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Indeed, the "1.4Ghz" bit is strange - it should be 1.6 (RK3188/PX3), 1.5 (RK3368/PX5) or "1.2" (Intel Sofia), not 1.4Ghz.
If its not a typo then it could be an Ownice octacore unit one of which I saw recently with an MCU prefixed by "KLD" suggesting that theyre made by KLD (which was news to me as I thought Ownice was a manufacturer in their own right), unless it was coincidently a random string of letters.
When he posts a screenshot we ll know . . .
Yeah, sorry for capturing your Wifi thread...
This is the unit which has been sent.
But to show you what I have:
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Yeah, sorry for capturing your Wifi thread...
This is the unit which has been sent.
But to show you what I have:
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Thats the picture I was talking about that I saw the other day - its not and MTCB/C unit or an MTCD unit.
@ikerg said it was an Ownice unit, AFAIK Ownice was a manufacturer in its own right, so I was either wrong or, as I said, maybe its just coincidence and the "KLD" is not related to the manufacturer Klyde who make MTCB/C/D units.
So I d advise checking the Ownice threads in the Android Headunit General forum.
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Thats the picture I was talking about that I saw the other day - its not and MTCB/C unit or an MTCD unit.
@ikerg said it was an Ownice unit, AFAIK Ownice was a manufacturer in its own right, so I was either wrong or, as I said, maybe its just coincidence and the "KLD" is not related to the manufacturer Klyde who make MTCB/C/D units.
So I d advise checking the Ownice threads in the Android Headunit General forum.
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No it seems not to be an Ownice unit. Front and back are completely different to mine. Mine is exactly as shown at Klyde. The reset hole is not on top right as in Ownice units, instead it is positioned just on top of the SD-Card slot.
But thanks a lot and sorry again for capturing.
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No it seems not to be an Ownice unit. Front and back are completely different to mine. Mine is exactly as shown at Klyde. The reset hole is not on top right as in Ownice units, instead it is positioned just on top of the SD-Card slot.
But thanks a lot and sorry again for capturing.
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I wouldnt go by the reset hole, that can be anywhere.
It was @ikerg that said it was Ownice, he seemed quite certain.
Its deffo not MTC at all, or it would say "MTC" in the MCU field, I m a bit stumped, I normally refer people to the Android Headunits General forums for non MTC units, not sure what to say about yours, a I said I cant say whether the "KLD" means its Klyde or whether its just coincidence.
Maybe try contacting Klyde and asking if its one of their units ? Theyre here :
http://www.szklyde.com/universal-android-car-dvd/
Hi
I’m new to the whole world of android head units so was after a little advice which I can’t seem to find elsewhere in the forum.
I’ve a kia ceed 2010 that I want to replace the oem head unit on, I’d like to do the px6 route as seems better than px5 for virtually the same cash.
Are there any particular things to look out for or avoid? I’ve read that Dasaita make some of the best head units but they don’t seem to do a px6 for my make and model.
I’ve found one from sadocom on aliexpress, which seems to fit the bill and screenshot shows is MTCE but it's MTCE_CZ which I can’t seem to find much about.
Any advice appreciated
laviscus said:
Hi
I’m new to the whole world of android head units so was after a little advice which I can’t seem to find elsewhere in the forum.
I’ve a kia ceed 2010 that I want to replace the oem head unit on, I’d like to do the px6 route as seems better than px5 for virtually the same cash.
Are there any particular things to look out for or avoid? I’ve read that Dasaita make some of the best head units but they don’t seem to do a px6 for my make and model.
I’ve found one from sadocom on aliexpress, which seems to fit the bill and screenshot shows is MTCE but it's MTCE_CZ which I can’t seem to find much about.
Any advice appreciated
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If your car model exist on px5 ask dasaita for a px6 of your model...they can make it for you
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Unfortunately they only do the newer ceed 2012+, not my 2010. But thanks anyway.
I would suggest don't worry about getting a Dasaita just be sure to get a PX5/6 with a MTCE MCU then you can use Malaysk custom firmware. If anything ask for advice once you've decided on a unit to find out if they're buggy.
hello, not new to android been modding for many years but this will be my first jump into a android head unit. this will be for my wife's car and she wants the dash to remain stock and anything wider then stock will partially or fully block the middle 2 main ac vents. so she limited me to the standard 7" screen size.
im looking at the max6 and one from xtrons px6 version which does not have the dsp chip but they offered me the chip if i buy the unit from them included.
im reading of some issues with the max6 here at xda and wanted to know if that is the norm with this model? and how is xtrons overall these days i was reading they were decent but those threads seem to be pretty old and i dont want to revive them. otherwise is there any specific model px6 7" unit anyone here can directly recc to me? any help would be appreciated. ive spent hours reading all sorts of threads but many of them are older threads now about px5 or px3 units.
also does anyone expect anything new from ces this year chip wise? though i dont know how many of these china companies show there. i sawe dasaita has in the past.
thanks!
The Fume said:
hello, not new to android been modding for many years but this will be my first jump into a android head unit. this will be for my wife's car and she wants the dash to remain stock and anything wider then stock will partially or fully block the middle 2 main ac vents. so she limited me to the standard 7" screen size.
im looking at the max6 and one from xtrons px6 version which does not have the dsp chip but they offered me the chip if i buy the unit from them included.
im reading of some issues with the max6 here at xda and wanted to know if that is the norm with this model? and how is xtrons overall these days i was reading they were decent but those threads seem to be pretty old and i dont want to revive them. otherwise is there any specific model px6 7" unit anyone here can directly recc to me? any help would be appreciated. ive spent hours reading all sorts of threads but many of them are older threads now about px5 or px3 units.
also does anyone expect anything new from ces this year chip wise? though i dont know how many of these china companies show there. i sawe dasaita has in the past.
thanks!
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I grabbed the xtrons tq709ipl because its got the px6, is known to be compatible with some roms here, and the price was better than dasiata's comparable px6. Like you mentioned the xtrons doesn't have a DSP, i'm not an audiophile so i don't really know about features I wont be able to judge. What I've read is that the chip in the xtrons even without a DSP is still "better" than most name brand head units out there. amazon is running a $20 coupon right now too (as of 2/19/202), so that was nice. Shipping from hong kong only took 3 days too somehow, so that was cool.
With either of them be prepared to modify the double-din dash kit if you need one for your car. The android head unit faceplates are a few mm larger than North American big brand units like pioneer, jvc, sony, etc.
Good news is I've read enough to conclude all px6 based units are essentially the same guts, and roms will generally work on any of them. So you should just decide: what faceplate you like better between the two, does the DSP really matter to you, and then look at cost and how quick you can get it!
Good luck!