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Hi fellas,
I recently bought a Sony Z3TC to use as my daily driver and therefore replacing my Note II. Although I love the tablet, I found two things I really hate. The lack of a private speaker, making it only possible to take calls using the loudspeaker - which isn't that convenient unless you carry a BT headset around with you.
The other part is the camera, which is so-so. Although I'm not that used to "fancy" cameras (like the ones on the Sony Z3 for example), I still find it annoying to be without a proper flash. I've been comparing photos taken with the Z3TC and Tab S, and find the Tab S to come out on top - not by a lot in daylight, but more so in darker scenarios.
So I'm basically wondering if you guys can recommend an Tab S 8.4 - or if I should wait for the "new" slate which is supposed to be released in Korea later this month. Although I live in Sweden, I'm sure we'll be able to buy the new slate with improved specs soonish enough. I keep reading on this forum regarding the sluggish performance of TouchWiz on the Tab S. Is it really that bad? The Z3TC is flawless in that regard, which I truly love. See, my Note II somehow feels slower and slower for each day that passes. Should I prepare for a similar experience with the current Tab S?
Is there anyone on this forum who's using his/hers Tab S as a daily driver / phone replacement and care to give me some opinions whether it's an good idea or not?
Gone the other way
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I just went the other way due to the stutter/lag present on the Tab S. The Exynos processor is not man enough to shove around all those extra pixels, and TouchWiz is a pig. Loving the Z3TC, but I also have a phone so not trying to use it for voice calls. If you are outside the US, then all versions of the Tab S are Exynos (not snapdragon). The Exynos based Tab S 8.4 LTE uses an intel chip to do the 3g/4g stuff and this its-self has issues with 3g/4g handover. I had to flick mine in/out of flight mode to regain connectivity all the time. If you are inside the US then the LTE version is Snapdragon 800 based, and the WiFi version Exynos based.
I also find the battery life on the Z3TC to be way way better than that of the Tab S 8.4
Nigel
So I have been racking my brain on what phone to buy my Nexus 6 is on its last leg and I just would like something new. So do you guys like your phone? Has it been worth it? I do like the look and I would probably be running an AOSP ROM of some kind but I'm more concerned with the Hardware? Have you guys had any major issues that would make it a deal breaker? So Otherwise I've always used the Nexus line but I just can't afford a Pixel so I'm kinda have been torn on what phone to buy a Nexus 6p, Moto G5, Honor 7, or maybe an HTC 10 or a U11 or a OnePlus 3t if I can find one cheap enough. I would like to keep it under 250$ 300$ max. Thx for all your help...
Also, development is important to me.:good::good:
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So I have been racking my brain on what phone to buy my Nexus 6 is on its last leg and I just would like something new. So do you guys like your -------------buy a Nexus 6p, Moto G5, Honor 7, or maybe an HTC 10 or a U11 or a OnePlus 3t if I can find one cheap enough. I would like to keep it under 250$ 300$ max. Thx for all your help...
Also, development is important to me.:good::good:
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Interested in development and custom ROMs!! then better stay away from this device. The scene might change once Oreo gets released but no one is sure when it will come.
P.S. There is no stock firmware yet for this device to restore.
If you don't need NFC or quick charge I believe you'll be happy with this phone. There's a few parameters I want in a phone and this has them---
#1---Battery life. I have NEVER had a phone with battery life like this one. I have had the Samsung note 5, Note 3, S4 active, LG g3 and a few others...even from day one there's no comparison. For example, yesterday I was on my phone texting throughout the super bowl (Philly here ) streaming MP3's, browsing the internet, etc. When I got home at midnight my phone was on 79%. Simply amazing.
#2---screen..it's essentially a 1080P screen and images are crisp and detailed. Compared to my Note 5, it's not as good side by side, but it's marginal. Still very acceptable
#3--- Speed and customization. Both are very acceptable and scrolling etc is smooth on most items but occasionally is quirky especially scrolling through group texts. Must be a bug or something.
#4---Photos are a little over saturated in daylight shots but I believe they're better than ALL of my previous Samsung phones. I have not really experimented with darker scenes and can't tell about that. Also, I've been using the standard setting for now and believe photos will get better as I adjust them
#5---form factor. It's a slim phone in every way and seems smaller but I guess being "bezel-less" makes it appear so...
Depending on your budget, you might consider the Huawei Mate 9. You can still buy new units and some vendors are starting to give steep discounts--B&H Photo sold their stock off at around $350 to make way for new models. Huawei's Oreo Beta has been rolled out to this phone. It's got a great Leica dual lens camera with a true B&W camera (check out the photos in the XDA Developers forum for the camera), NFC and a 4000MaH battery. I've given up waiting for Huawei to decide on whether they're really going to bring the Honor V10 to North America, the Mate 9 and Mate 10 (original, not Pro) top my list for a replacement phone. If you live in a large city, read Amazon reviews of the 7X. The lack of 2 WIFI bands is causing some people to return the 7X because WIFI congestion is keeping the phone from operating well on WIFI.
Well Thx everyone I am semi tempted to jump on one and I have looked at the Mate 9 some and I might try and pick one up before too long. I also might just grab a Nexus 6p I found one for 125$ and it seems fine and then maybe save up for something in the future. I am also reading that all kinds of phones are having proximity sensor problems after updating to Oreo and I think that's one of the problems my nexus 6 is having and I cant fix it no matter what I try from app to xposed apps. So IDK we will see thx for your help as well I still am halfway tempted to grab one of these just to give it a shot for the price it seems nice and I don't live in a huge city so I would hope my wifi would be ok.
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Well Thx everyone I am semi tempted to jump on one and I have looked at the Mate 9 some and I might try and pick one up before too long. I also might just grab a Nexus 6p I found one for 125$ and it seems fine and then maybe save up for something in the future. I am also reading that all kinds of phones are having proximity sensor problems after updating to Oreo and I think that's one of the problems my nexus 6 is having and I cant fix it no matter what I try from app to xposed apps. So IDK we will see thx for your help as well I still am halfway tempted to grab one of these just to give it a shot for the price it seems nice and I don't live in a huge city so I would hope my wifi would be ok.
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Good luck. All your options sound good. It's too bad Huawei decided to only include one WIFI band in the 7X, knowing they planned on marketing this in North America, where WIFI adoption is so widespread that 2 bands are essential to avoid congestion issues for all those in large urban areas. It will not be cost effective in the long run, given how many potential customers are affected by WIFI congestion, and clearly shows that a Chinese-dominated staff is making serious missteps in markets outside of China. Huawei desperately needs to hire western technical consulting companies and actually listen to them . They build beautiful and dependable phones that rival all their competitors. It's silly missteps like this that can mar their brand reputation. I think all the other cost cutting steps for the 7X are fine.
Having just 2.4ghz doesn't bother me much although I think they still should have added 5ghz. An old Lenovo K3 Note phone which I don't use anymore only had 2.4ghz also, however a custom rom allowed it to have 5ghz turned on. I wonder if it was hidden on this phone also.
The 2.4ghz on the Honor 7x connects to my router at half the speed my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 does.
I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.
Mine is dead on.
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Mine has been off and will not lock quickly sometimes.
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I live in la... work in production and use my navigation constantly. This is killing me
The GPS doesn't lock reliably and it loses location all the time... usually at the worst possible time of course ?.
I had a one plus McClaren and it had the same issues... actually this phone is worse.
Can't really blame the phone it really seems like its has something to do with the 5g. My pixel 3xl works flawlessly with the same sim.
Turning off 5g doesn't solve the issue for me either. So no easy fix.
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
S20 Ultra - started experiencing gps issues today too. On and off, and haven't been able to permanently fix yet.
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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My pixel 3xl has android 10 on it and works flawlessly.
Every 5g phone I've tried has had GPS lock issues. T-mobile released an update that was supposed to fix it when I had the one plus 7t pro McClaren and it improved it but definitely didn't fix it.
I have issues with my ultra as well. Using waze it was putting me almost a Mille off I had to stop and restart everything and then it worked. Someone in the S20 sub reddit mentioned it and a bunch of people had the issue as well.
Ya know I hate to bring it up but a scary thought occurred to me...
The gps issues make the find me app almost useless. God forbid you leave or your phone walks off.
If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.
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If the gps doesn't track correctly that feature is not gonna be reliable.
I don't even know who to blame here...
The device the 5g???
Seems to be pretty obvious its a 5g issue. None of my 4g phones have the gps lock issue.
Why do they even integrate it into the data. Couldn't it run as a standalone? Its got its own antenea doesn't it?
This is so disappointing... i did NOT buy this phone for the 5g but it seems that it might ruin it for me.
My gps is pretty important to me.
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"the 5g???" That's a valid assumption imo, 5G interference(stronger source) against GPS(weaker RF signals)
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I had a OP 6T before this s20 Ultra. I had the same issued you did with my 6T as your McLaren.
I do think the Samsung is actually a little bit better than the 6T. The 6T would just randomly stop tracking me and place me on the next road over, etc.
The S20 just stops tracking for a moment then picks right back up. I see issues with it but not like I did with 6T. I also think moving from T-Mo to ATT gives me a more reliable data connection so GPS seems a little better.
I also use my phone for DoorDash and hate these GPS issues.
Some people never see the issue but run 4 to 10 hours a day with GPS and I see it all the time.
BUt to answer your question. Yep, it seems like Android 10 itself is the actual culprit. This is what I have read when I was the 6T. Dont know if there is any truth to that.
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I'm with tmo and sometimes I have these issues on my s10+. Tmo in Miami sucks. I'm also switching to at&t since they have better coverage in South Florida than Tmo.
I'm on the T-Mobile S20 Ultra.
I recently came from the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition. GPS would not lock on the McLaren 5G because of 5G. When you disabled it, it would start working again if connected on LTE or WIFI.
Considering someone above tried that already, it might be a few other things:
#1 - Depends on the GPS app you are using. Maps worked best with Google Location Services enabled. Waze has been wonky on all devices lately. It took me 10-15 seconds to get a lock last night as an example but it eventually locked on (unlike the OnePlus McLaren which could go forever until it did).
#2 - Software glitch. Just like the OnePlus McLaren, a patch will be released to fix the issues with GPS and 5G. It was an issue on a lot of 5G variants of phones.
#3 - 5G Interferes with GPS (rumor and speculation by others)
I have the same issue sometimes its fine and other times I'm 600 meters off to the north east. It feels random. When I plug my phone into my android auto it locks right on but according to gps status pro the device thinks its 600 meters off. So when I unplug it shoots me right back to the wrong location.
What’s weird is I used GPS on the phone to drive from Northern to Southern CA on Wednesday. Then I think on the last part of the trip, as I arrived in LA, the GPS lost and couldn’t maintain lock. Yesterday and today GPS lock was nonexistent driving around Ontario, Rialto areas of SoCal. Had to rely on map and directions of Waze and not tracking location.
My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....
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My GPS is nearly flawless for me - best I have seen on any previous android - and very fast....
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You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.
US unlocked version here, mine is flawless as well
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You using The International Version? Because the problem is with the Snapdragon chipsets on the U.S. Phones. The Exynos chipsets in the International version don't have this problem.
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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....
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G988U - Snapdragon - never had an Issue that I am aware of - when I run an apk to test GPS, I pickup all the satelites in seconds- it happens really quick and I haven't noticed any issues -
tell me how I can 'test it" to see if there are issues I am not aware of - but otherwise, it seems really good to me....
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Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687
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Read Article below - If your GPS works fine then your not affected by this problem.
https://thedroidguy.com/galaxy-s20-gps-issues-1124687
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I guess I am lucky then. I haven't really had any issues with this phone, aside from a little bit of the focus issues that were happening with the camera - those have seemed to gotten better too - and like most previous Samsung PHones the S20 ultra will only get better as more updates are released.
The screen shot below is from the GPS Test apk - in the past, if I tried doing a test indoors, it usualy took a few minutes to acquire satelights - but with my new S20 Ultra - I acquire satelights within seconds of opening the apk. It happens really fast for me....hope yours gets working better in the near future...
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I'm on the US Unlocked Snapdragon and i was definitely having GPS issues. I had GPS Status & Toolbox app installed with the Time to fix status enabled. Almost always between 60 to 90 seconds to get first fix even after doing it repetitively. After the latest firmware update i'm now getting an almost instant fix based on the GPS Status & Toolbox app. I was also having issues with WAZE not locking on for a long time. Google Maps seemed better. WAZE now locks on almost immediately.
Who is truly happy with there pixel 6 pro and aren't having any issues. I want to buy the pixel 6 pro but hearing so many negative things about it like fingerprint scanner , weak signal , Bluetooth issues and more
Me, sir! Rock stable since January update.
The biggest problem I had was occasional system UI crash errors, but that was it. Just an error without any noticeable impact whatsoever, and I'm not even sure if that's the phone's fault given that I'm rooted and have a bunch of things installed. I'm pretty happy.
I'm happy too. I have no issues.
I have it since about two weeks and I love it.
I come from a pixel 5 witch was a great midrange phone.
My battery is great, I have no WiFi Dropouts, cell signal is strong and the camera is great too.
I really like this phone and I don't regret the switch.
I'm on the edge. I switch for the camera and big screen but I mainly a Xperia 1 III for the headphone jack sd card and screen. Plus my head buds are Sony. Here is my deal with pixel. Bluetooth is spotty maybe it's me, signal drops a lot. My Sony headbuds are buggy only one works until I turn off Bluetooth.. battery is great. But I'm 6/10 happy with the pixel pro.
Just fingerprint sometimes doesn't want to unlock the screen and need to do the pin code and i think it's software because also smart lock is crazy sometimes.
Except this, all is fine since november. I didn't have issue with december FW and following updade. A rock !!!
No issues here, had pixel 1, 3 and now 6 pro, she's a big old beast but I love it
I think it would be useful if people mentioned what they are running on their Pixel. Stock, beta, some custom ROM such as ProtonAOSP.
I read many users stating that the A12L beta is more stable than stock A12.
Barely any issues here, and the ones I've had I figured out how to fix. I've been tinkering with the bits and pieces of android since I got my HTC Dream/G1 and telnet was all you needed to root. The issues we had to deal with back then would be unacceptable today. Bugs, bugs everywhere. Finding the limits, compatibility, and workarounds is the best part. I've had every nexus and pixel phone except the 5 series. They aren't getting worse, but the complaining is getting louder every year.
I've had mine since it was released and have not had a single issue with it. I switched back to my Note 20 Ultra for a week just for a change and the battery on the P6P is 2-3 times better. The only thing the Note beats the P6P on is the screen and brightness. Other than that I am completely happy with it. It's the 1st Google device I've had since the Nexus 6.
I'm very happy with my Pixel 6 Pro NOW (unlocked from Google running on AT&T, stock ROM, no beta, locked bootloader). But until the January update, it was an absolute hot mess, SO bad I *almost* switched to an iPhone after 12 years of being a loyal Android user. I had hardly any signal, no data connection in more than half the areas around where I live, it was incredibly buggy, half the time I locked the screen, it was corrupted (icons didn't show that were supposed to, did that weren't, fingerprint scanner wouldn't appear or respond), it would randomly freeze constantly. And doing something as basic as running YouTube music with Google Maps was a sure fire way to have to force close one of them.
Since the January update: just fine. Whatever conditions I have REALLY demonstrated the hot mess that was the initial release software. But since the update, it's been virtually flawless. Signal is back, data is back, virtually bugless. The delayed updates kinda bug me (I expect this for a long while), but so long as it keeps working as well as it does now, I'm actually very happy with it.
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I'm very happy with my Pixel 6 Pro NOW (unlocked from Google running on AT&T, stock ROM, no beta, locked bootloader).
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I'm curious because I don't get to ask very often in the wild. With access to the devices today, What's the point of getting a google device through third party vendors that add nothing of value and only make it worse?. Pulled out my old Galaxy S5 the other week and my Verizon version STILL hasn't been fully unlocked. That thing was a nightmare to keep useful.
id be happy if volte and 5G would work
I'm extremely happy. If you know me,or ask anyone about me,I rarely NOT grumble of a phone. I back the 6 pro. Was happy with 5G on,but, now I've turned off 5G and settled for 4G/LTE with way less heat and less battery consumption,don't think I'll be upgrading this year. I go through phones like nothing,but, I've had a good experience so far that makes me wanna keep this for a year..... Hell,maybe even 2
Hi, everyone I am so happy when I help people.
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Hi, everyone I am so happy when I help people.
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Who you helping with that comment bruh?
Happy user here
I'm happy on a fully stock 12L beta
I'm mostly happy with it. It seems a lot more stable with the February update. I've not had any WiFi or Bluetooth issues. That said, reception is a bit worse than the S22 Ultra I use. I do really enjoy stock Android and the ability to customize with root. If the reception could be improved and the updates pushed on time, I'd say the phone is rock solid.
I guess I'm picky because I've used the competition and can tell it's not entirely up to par in that area.
I've used the Pixel 6 Pro on and off since November. For the most part, it has been a very good phone, but after using the S22 Ultra for over 2 months now, I realize how much better the P6P could be. The 5G reception, the charging speeds, and overall stability of the Snapdragon S22 Ultra are vastly superior to the Pixel 6 Pro. To be fair, the P6P has a cleaner software experience, better camera in some respects, and better speakers, but the essentials are done better by the S22U. Like many of us, I had hoped that the P6P would have been the Samsung flagship with stock Android, but it's turning out to have similar problems as the Exynos chips, even down to running warm. There are promises for big things in the June or July update, but each update has brought new bugs. I'm considering just selling the P6P and seeing if the Pixel 7 Pro fixes anything.
The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?
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The Pixel 6 Pro is more S21 ultra though innit?
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My girlfriend has the S21 Ultra, I have the P6P, andddd everyime I grab her phone I am surprised at how smooth it is. Every. Time.
I am getting pretty tired of having to borrow my wife's 22 when I need to make a phone call.
I had the s22ultra SD variant, sold it because if the crappy UI and micro stutters I experienced constantly. Regardless of the hardware, what good is it if the software is still in beta production.
A lot of gimmicky features like bixby, knox, etc.
Samsung has potential but they suck.
there is a 300$ difference between these two phones. the s22 ultra BETTER have the better experience.
I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.
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I have to say otherwise, my girlfriend has the s22 ultra and I got the P6P, I wouldn't exchange it in a thousand years. Performance wise it stutters, quite a lot, to the point of semi freezing. Charging and battery wise we both get home more or less at same time with same battery, I've disabled adaptive charging tho. The stylus is not that impressive, not good enough for note taking. Everything else is meh, I love the purity of android and came a long way, no need for duplicate apps and super updates! Câmera also so so the same quality on both, but she has clearer night pictures (more realistic), pixel pictures at night seems to overwhelm the colours a bit.
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Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture
There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.
I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.
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I own both and spend time in a fallout bunker. My S22 Ultra and iPhone 13 Pro Max can make calls and text. The P6P has no service. The radio hardware is most definitely the P6P's Achilles heel.
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Most reliable radio hardware I've had. Never had service dropped.
I used to have to have Tasker automatically cycle airplane mode whenever service was lost on all my prior phones, which were all Qualcomm flagships.
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Don't forget the shutter speed, Samsung constantly blurs moving things in pictures whereas pixel has no issue tracking pictures of moving objects and is virtually instant from pressing the button and taking the picture
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That's something else too. While picture quality is pretty good, the picture taking experience falls behind.
Hopefully most of the issues addressed can be resolved or mitigated through software updates, I hope, also for my own sake.
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There is no doubt, in my mind, that the Pixel blows Sammy away in every category, especially camera. But not in signal reception. Unfortunately I need my phone to make and receive phone calls.
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I agree with the signal reception. I have been working from home past 2 years, so I haven't had as much time to get frustrated, meaning using it while out and about. But this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned and finding out just how horrible it is as I start traveling more. I am just outside metro DC area and have a lot of experience with other phones plus friends and family. Why, just why couldn't they have stuck with a trusted chip? Verizon, fwiw. I will eventually switch to something non Google. Other parts work great, but they call it a smartphone, not a camera connection device.
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I agree with the signal reception...this phone has the absolute worst reception of any phone I have ever owned...
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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).
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I agree with ya here, however, I'm on T-Mo. So, it's definitely a problem with the modem needing some very specific code changes. But thankfully enough, these changes have finally appeared to happen about a month back on a beta version of the OS. Now, the latest beta for Android 12.1 and the latest beta for Android 13 both contain modem updates that finally make my service more functional and reliable.
The only downside here is that they won't be pushing this update OTA for another month and a half (and it also took them a while to get to this, haha).
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That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.
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That would be fantastic if it really helps. I am in my house right now. My old Pixel 2 XL, Wife's Pixel 4a, my last Pixel 4a5g all had excellent service here. If I turn my wifi off I can't make a damn call. Today I was fishing at a pond that is in the middle of 3 major roads, had zero service. I will wait and see what comes from this. In your opinion, what are you thinking the change is, but I don't know how to ask you to quantify it.
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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.
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Not sure. But I think that it has something to do with the general code requirements for this modem, as it was notoriously known for having reception problems in the past (as the Samsung S20 international variant used the same modem). It seems that Google was still recovering from the big lawsuit hit that dug into their phone development department's spending power before the Pixel 6 series had gone into production (was around $270M). I'm hoping that they are able to dig their way out of that hole by the time the Pixel 8 series is in production - as that will be around the time I upgrade my phone again, haha =P.
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Did a software update solve the S20 problems? I did a quick search but not seeing that exact resolution. If that update in beta right now helps a lot they may save a customer here, but I am not upgrading to a future Pixel if they put a documented problem in this phone and the solution is to upgrade out of the problem.
I have owned both and they are both flawed.
I still have the S22U and ultimately it is IMO the better option. Yes the shutter lag is annoying and OneUI has it’s frustrations too but the flaws on the Pixel are bigger, FPS was a daily frustration (and the ultrasonic FPS on samsung is just better than all optical ones IMO) auto brightness was just dumb and as other have said the radio is weaker.
I am hopeful that lessons will have been learned with the Pixel 7
I have the vanilla S22, same with everyone says, it has micro stutter on the UI frequently, and the usual Samsung not able to capture moving objects. For those reasons, I am moving to Pixel 7 Pro this year.
To be fair, the P6 Pro is in another price league. You compare an Audi A5 to a BMW 7 (significant price difference). That still doesn't excuse, however, the especially weak reception quality and temperature problems (quick overheating under stress) on a P6 Pro. Basic features need to work, full stop. And Pixels struggle with that at times.