Can't connect it to computer - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

So I tried to flash a rom last night and by accident I hit the option to return the phone to factory. Long story short I can't transfer files and when I try to do fastboot threw that wugsfresh I think it says that my cable is bad I've tried all my cables on all ports. Any ideas?
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fomotomo said:
So I tried to flash a rom last night and by accident I hit the option to return the phone to factory. Long story short I can't transfer files and when I try to do fastboot threw that wugsfresh I think it says that my cable is bad I've tried all my cables on all ports. Any ideas?
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Is it file transfer in...
- Android?
- TWRP?
- ADB or MTP protocol?
Does fastboot register a new item in Windows device manager? If so, what's the device's VID/PID?
All of the above require different drivers. Please try the following:
- https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb
- https://www.xda-developers.com/google-releases-separate-adb-and-fastboot-binary-downloads/

k23m said:
Is it file transfer in...
- Android?
- TWRP?
- ADB or MTP protocol?
Does fastboot register a new item in Windows device manager? If so, what's the device's VID/PID?
All of the above require different drivers. Please try the following:
- https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb
- https://www.xda-developers.com/google-releases-separate-adb-and-fastboot-binary-downloads/
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It doesn't initiate file transfer on twrp and I tried the wugsfresh toolbox or what ever u call it and it gets stuck on the fastboot connection says to retry I've tried all my cables even the OEM one and it keeps that message I even tried it on different ports and I only have one computer so I can't try on a different one
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fomotomo said:
It doesn't initiate file transfer on twrp and I tried the wugsfresh toolbox or what ever u call it and it gets stuck on the fastboot connection says to retry I've tried all my cables even the OEM one and it keeps that message I even tried it on different ports and I only have one computer so I can't try on a different one
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What about USB VID/PID from Windows device manager? Are you on Linux? If so, post the output of "lsusb". This information is critical to troubleshooting the issue. If in TWRP MTP you get USB\VID_18D1&PID_4EE2 then your PC has a driver problem. If you get USB\VID_000x then your N7 or the cable are faulty.
Let's assume the most likely scenario where you have a broken driver in Windows. In this case, go to the device manager and delete the existing driver associated with Nexus and reboot your PC. When it is running again the driver will be reinstalled and probably OK. If not, get and run this app http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html and compare it to my N7 in TWRP MTP.

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My computer doesn't recognise my HOX!

Hi......
My PC & my laptop won't recognise my phone despite several failed attempts! No mass storage no fastboot, nothing! not even when i mount it via recovery! Android debugging is checked.
My phone is on CM10.1.3
Pls help!
saleh9416 said:
Hi......
My PC & my laptop won't recognise my phone despite several failed attempts! No mass storage no fastboot, nothing! not even when i mount it via recovery! Android debugging is checked.
My phone is on CM10.1.3
Pls help!
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When you start in bootloader and choise fastboot and connect the phone what you see in device manager. Are you install latest drivers. Are you try only in Windoes7, try on XP. Are you change the cable maybe is broken.
This with RED letter is important first try change the cable
Thant said:
When you start in bootloader and choise fastboot and connect the phone what you see in device manager. Are you install latest drivers. Are you try only in Windoes7, try on XP. Are you change the cable maybe is broken.
This with RED letter is important first try change the cable
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"Fastboot usb" but when i try to flash kernel or erase cache it gives me <waiting for device>! i should mention that everything used to work perfectely a while ago!
and yes i've tried with W7 & XP and with different cables, but nothing changed! only charging.
saleh9416 said:
"Fastboot usb" but when i try to flash kernel or erase cache it gives me <waiting for device>! i should mention that everything used to work perfectely a while ago!
and yes i've tried with W7 & XP and with different cables, but nothing changed! only charging.
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Are you using the stock cable and is the usb port your using a 2.0 port? if not then it wont work or well it might but not stable.
saleh9416 said:
"Fastboot usb" but when i try to flash kernel or erase cache it gives me <waiting for device>! i should mention that everything used to work perfectely a while ago!
and yes i've tried with W7 & XP and with different cables, but nothing changed! only charging.
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Change the cable first!!!! Are you tried with different cable?
fader910 said:
Are you using the stock cable and is the usb port your using a 2.0 port? if not then it wont work or well it might but not stable.
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Yes, and i don't think that would make any difference! cause if it was "1.1 port" it would work but slower!
Thant said:
Change the cable first!!!! Are you tried with different cable?
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I've mentioned that i used different cables! htc/sony/samsung
saleh9416 said:
Yes, and i don't think that would make any difference! cause if it was "1.1 port" it would work but slower!
I've mentioned that i used different cables! htc/sony/samsung
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then if you have the latest drivers and no working again you have hardware problem with the USB port on your hox,
Thant said:
then if you have the latest drivers and no working again you have hardware problem with the USB port on your hox,
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I hope not! and the confusing part is the phone charges via the USB port!
Thanks anyway.
saleh9416 said:
I hope not! and the confusing part is the phone charges via the USB port!
Thanks anyway.
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Yes your power pin 1 and 5 work. your pin 2 Tx(from phone to computer) not work and pin 3 Rx(from Phone to computer)work.And for this you see your device fastboot usb becouse the phone receive from computer and know to go in fastboot usb but when you send command from computer fastboot getvar all the computer wait for response from the phone but your Tx is broken and you see waiting for device.
Please try to run the comand fastboot reboot-bootloader and report back
saleh9416 said:
Hi......
My PC & my laptop won't recognise my phone despite several failed attempts! No mass storage no fastboot, nothing! not even when i mount it via recovery! Android debugging is checked.
My phone is on CM10.1.3
Pls help!
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hello! I had the same issue recently, so I solved it by next actions: I typed in the Windows command line(cmd.exe) 'pnputils -e', so I could see all drivers I have installed and their 'oem*.inf' files. I had 4 HTC drivers, it was like they were in a conflict. Then I deleted each driver with next command: 'pnputils -f -d <oem file name>.inf'. So after that, I plugged in the cable and the HOX was recognized by the computer!
Report back if that helped you!
Thant said:
Yes your power pin 1 and 5 work. your pin 2 Tx(from phone to computer) not work and pin 3 Rx(from Phone to computer)work.And for this you see your device fastboot usb becouse the phone receive from computer and know to go in fastboot usb but when you send command from computer fastboot getvar all the computer wait for response from the phone but your Tx is broken and you see waiting for device.
Please try to run the comand fastboot reboot-bootloader and report back
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The same message "waiting for device"
saleh9416 said:
The same message "waiting for device"
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Try the metod on @Timofey_K
Wich recovery are you using? Try enter from there, mount the Phone as mass storage from recovery
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matitorres07 said:
Wich recovery are you using? Try enter from there, mount the Phone as mass storage from recovery
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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You really have to read the OP again :sly:
Timofey_K said:
hello! I had the same issue recently, so I solved it by next actions: I typed in the Windows command line(cmd.exe) 'pnputils -e', so I could see all drivers I have installed and their 'oem*.inf' files. I had 4 HTC drivers, it was like they were in a conflict. Then I deleted each driver with next command: 'pnputils -f -d <oem file name>.inf'. So after that, I plugged in the cable and the HOX was recognized by the computer!
Report back if that helped you!
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Unfortunately it didn't work! I've found only 1 HTC driver & I deleted it anyway, but the issue remains unsolved!
I presume the issue is within my phone! maybe it's a hardware problem as @Thant have said.
Thanks anyway.
i was having a similar (not exactly same) problem that on CM 10.2, my phone storage was not being mounted on my pc but it mounted in recovery and fastboot... this is what i did..
Connect your phone to pc, go to device manager from control panel and see if the device shown with a yellow triangle.
right click it, chose to update driver software, select manually from a list, chose android adb interface from list, then either chose google or htc (depending on your rom, for CM, prefer google).. Your phone will be recognised by pc
Khizar Amin said:
i was having a similar (not exactly same) problem that on CM 10.2, my phone storage was not being mounted on my pc but it mounted in recovery and fastboot... this is what i did..
Connect your phone to pc, go to device manager from control panel and see if the device shown with a yellow triangle.
right click it, chose to update driver software, select manually from a list, chose android adb interface from list, then either chose google or htc (depending on your rom, for CM, prefer google).. Your phone will be recognised by pc
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The phone isn't shown in device manager!
saleh9416 said:
The phone isn't shown in device manager!
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Then try using a different data cable... also try connecting it to a different pc and also check if otg usb is working or not.. coz if otg does not work then its a problem with your port

adb doesnt recognise my phone anymore

I have an HTC One M8, bought from UAE. I rooted it and it all went well. Now I want to get OTA updates on the phone and I want to unroot for the moment. The problem is that I connect my phone to my laptop run adb but it doesnt do anything. All it says is list of devices attached and thats it. Nothing else at all. I cant give my phone commands or anything of the sort. I want to update my phone to the latest android version with sense 7 and I would prefer that I have a stock rom hence the OTA but without getting my phone recognised with ADB I dont know how to do it. Please help!
P.s. I am running windows 7 and my CID is HTC__J15
I got the CID from an app from the app store, dont know if its legit but I the gulf region uses this CID so I guess its safe to assume its correct.
P.s.s. Yes I have tried reinstalling HTC drivers and it hasnt done anything. The device manager doesnt have any unknown device listed either. Yes USB Debugging is also on and I get the notification on the phone as well but my computer doesnt recognise it.
P.s.s.s. Is there anyway to get the latest OTA without hooking my phone up to the computer? I'm not a tech guy so I need help. A step by step would be very nice. Thanks
Boot into bootloader and perform the "fastboot getvar all" command. Post the output here without IMEI and serial no. as the software number is needed to provide further instructions and identify the correct RUU and/or backup you'd need.
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flamingpenguin said:
The device manager doesnt have any unknown device listed either.
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Meaning the device doesn't show up at all in Device Manager (HTC, Android phone, etc.)?
If you boot the phone into bootloader-fastboot mode, any response to fastboot commands (fastboot devices, etc.). Sometimes fastboot works, when adb doesn't. And fastboot is the really critical one you want.
HTCNerdYoda said:
Boot into bootloader and perform the "fastboot getvar all" command. Post the output here without IMEI and serial no. as the software number is needed to provide further instructions and identify the correct RUU and/or backup you'd need .
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I tried booting into fastboot mode and then hooking it up with the computer. I enter the fastboot getvar all command and all I get is < waiting for device > it just stops there for as long as I wait and it doesnt do anything. Please help!!! I've tried different cables as well. Also a different laptop. I'm not sure whats wrong. The sync manager doesnt work either. Doesnt detect my phone :crying:
redpoint73 said:
Meaning the device doesn't show up at all in Device Manager (HTC, Android phone, etc.)?
If you boot the phone into bootloader-fastboot mode, any response to fastboot commands (fastboot devices, etc.). Sometimes fastboot works, when adb doesn't. And fastboot is the really critical one you want.
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Media Transfer Protocol works. I just get a new drive with my phones internal and external storage. I can transfer files but thats the only response my computer gives to the phone. Help please :crying:
flamingpenguin said:
Media Transfer Protocol works. I just get a new drive with my phones internal and external storage. I can transfer files but thats the only response my computer gives to the phone. Help please :crying:
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Did you activate the developer options and if so USB debugging as well. Did you try installing Sync Manager to install the needed HTC drivers, uninstall it (as it interferes with adb/fastboot sometimes) to just keep the drivers? Which adb/fastboot are you using?
Send by the swarm intelligence of my coffee machine ?.
flamingpenguin said:
Media Transfer Protocol works. I just get a new drive with my phones internal and external storage. I can transfer files but thats the only response my computer gives to the phone. Help please :crying:
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Try this: Go into Windows Device Manager, find the device, pick the option to manually select the drivers. Then pick the generic Android MTP device drivers (or some such name like that). I often have to do this to get my home computer to pickup my phone via adb/fastboot, while MTP works just fine.
HTCNerdYoda said:
Did you activate the developer options and if so USB debugging as well. Did you try installing Sync Manager to install the needed HTC drivers, uninstall it (as it interferes with adb/fastboot sometimes) to just keep the drivers?
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I have both developer options and USB debugging on. I also tried drivers that came with the phone via the sync manager. Tried after getting rid of the sync manager but it still doesnt work. I can get my software number from setting>about etc no? My CID and Software number is all I need to unroot the phone and install the stock recovery, if I'm not mistaken? I am completely dumb at this tech thing. I'm a civil engineer. I understand concrete and rebar
redpoint73 said:
Try this: Go into Windows Device Manager, find the device, pick the option to manually select the drivers. Then pick the generic Android MTP device drivers (or some such name like that). I often have to do this to get my home computer to pickup my phone via adb/fastboot, while MTP works just fine.
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I cant find my device in the Device Manager at all =/
flamingpenguin said:
I cant find my device in the Device Manager at all =/
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I'd suggest downloading the drivers again and first of all try with another USB data cable. If it doesn't show up at all, it sounds as if you got a connection problem. So could also be caused by a defective cable and/or USB port on your phone.
I'd check the following:
1) try connection to another USB port
2) try with another data cable
3) download latest HTC drivers from HTC.
Send by the swarm intelligence of my coffee machine ?.
I had this happen to me and to resolve it I went into the C: drive of my computer and in the program files folder I located the HTC folder. Once there I looked for the apk files that allow you phone to connect to HTC sync. If I remember correctly, I copied apk file #2 to my phone and installed it. Once it was install that issue went away. To be on the safe side, copy and install each apk file one at a time(there should be 5 of them) to your phone. Only one of them will install the others will not. This will help you to locate and install the correct apk file. Once you have found and installed the correct one, you can removed the other apk files that wouldn't install and reboot your phone. After that connect your phone to your computer, and htc sync and adb should recognize your device. There is a thread on this but I can not remember where to locate it.

Oneplus 3 does not connect to pc

my oneplus 3 does not connect to my pc. I have tried turning on and off developer options, turn off and on oem unlocking and usb debugging. I change the usb connection to mtp from charging but does not change. Also does not recognize it when i connect to pc. Also does not pop up on status bar and i checked portable devices. I also tried installing the oneplus drivers. i am on Android 7.0 freedomos-2.5. Any way to fix this issue? i might try to update freedomos because im on a old version of it.:crying:
Windows? If, yes windows drivers are the problem.
Try to other pc, to see if it works., first.
Evnul000 said:
my oneplus 3 does not connect to my pc. I have tried turning on and off developer options, turn off and on oem unlocking and usb debugging. I change the usb connection to mtp from charging but does not change. Also does not recognize it when i connect to pc. Also does not pop up on status bar and i checked portable devices. I also tried installing the oneplus drivers. i am on Android 7.0 freedomos-2.5. Any way to fix this issue? i might try to update freedomos because im on a old version of it.:crying:
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Windows drivers 100%.
null0seven said:
Windows? If, yes windows drivers are the problem.
Try to other pc, to see if it works., first.
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I have tried it on both my PC and laptop with both windows 10. Does not work. My PC also has windows 7 still seems to not work. Are there any other drivers i might be missing?
i have also done some research that you should update your drivers from device manager. I dont see anything related to my device. i went to portable devices nothing and i dont have a other devices section in device manager. Any help?
What recovery?
Try to flash latest twrp. I use blu-spark by eng-stk. You can fla**** thru recovery or Flashify app.
null0seven said:
What recovery?
Try to flash latest twrp. I use blu-spark by eng-stk. You can fla**** thru recovery or Flashify app.
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i am on the latest twrp. will blu-spark help fix it?
ive also found out theres no kedcom driver when i go to fastboot. i even reinstalled adb drivers to insure its there but it does not pop up.
You'll need to remove drivers reboot, install correct drivers, reboot and then be nice to everyone you ever meet and it'll show up. It's a real pain but you can get there. XDA tutorial all the way there!
I once have kind of youre problem connecting to my laptop (win.10). But, at work, on that laptop, connection was ok (win.7).
I reinstal windows 10 and connection works fine, since.
I allways use latest TWRP & version of rom. I can't tell for sure what it's goin on with youre phone.
If i was in youre situation i format my phone (this will erase ALL in youre phone). And if PC still does not see the phone reinstall windows.
Also: Try a different cable.
A cheap cable could have a charging pin layout but lack data pins connections.
9 out of 10 issues with connecting to PC and getting odd behaviours is due to a bad/wrong cable.
dentman said:
You'll bed to remove drivers reboot, install correct drivers, reboot and then be nice to everyone you ever meet and it'll show up. It's a real pain but you can get there. XDA tutorial all the way there!
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What are the driver links if you have? I already installed the OnePlus drivers.
ninjeratu said:
Also: Try a different cable.
A cheap cable could have a charging pin layout but lack data pins connections.
9 out of 10 issues with connecting to PC and getting odd behaviours is due to a bad/wrong cable.
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I used the OnePlus cable and another cable.
Driver issues win 10
Find the excellent tutorial here on drivers.
For some reason my phone didn't show up but was able to receive commands. It was frustrating because I wanted to use the all in one XDA product but couldn't.
Even if you installed drivers they can be broken!
Do drivers from scratch per xda tutorial. Don't forget reboot!
Try different cables and usb ports! My front ones never seem to work!
Don't just try fastboot commands also try adb. Like I said mine wasn't seen properly yet it took the commands.
Unless your windows is a years old install it shouldn't require reinstall.
Factory phone reset might help.
Best of luck!

Big problem

This may be a huge one. Someone accidently resetted my phone. Now i had to start from the start menu. When I connect the wifi after it gets stuck on "checking for updates." So then I wanted to reinstall the rom from via twrp. Now I find out im stuck on this because I have no back up and no extra roms to flash. So I tried to connect to my pc but my phone has issues with connecting on pc. It does not even show up on device manager. No unknown devices no exclamation point. Only way I know it connected is when I disconnect it makes a disconnect sound. Any help? I tried fastboot its a no go, adb sideload just loops on loading, and just recovery and it does not work. Any help please I need this fixed asap.
try to connect on usb2 port. I have similar problems when connected to usb 3 port on laptop or desktop.
Evnul000 said:
This may be a huge one. Someone accidently resetted my phone. Now i had to start from the start menu. When I connect the wifi after it gets stuck on "checking for updates." So then I wanted to reinstall the rom from via twrp. Now I find out im stuck on this because I have no back up and no extra roms to flash. So I tried to connect to my pc but my phone has issues with connecting on pc. It does not even show up on device manager. No unknown devices no exclamation point. Only way I know it connected is when I disconnect it makes a disconnect sound. Any help? I tried fastboot its a no go, adb sideload just loops on loading, and just recovery and it does not work. Any help please I need this fixed asap.
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Delete all the installed drivers relating to the phone and then connect the phone. Necessary drivers will be installed. If not solved, try another PC, cable, USB port etc.
usbdeview from nirsoft might help you to clean your driver.
When you connect your phone to your computer, is it on fastboot or on recovery ?
You should grab adb and fastboot driver (i'll upload them if needed), go to fastboot and plug your phone.
If you type from command line fastboot devices you should see your devices. If not, driver issue.
If you see it, then flash the official recovery : fastboot flash PathToRecovery\name_of_recovery.img, then sideload latest OB through OP recovery.
I don't know if its the faster option, but its easy as f*ck with that way to come back nearly stock. After that, you could flash twrp and the rom you want.
stepi1 said:
try to connect on usb2 port. I have similar problems when connected to usb 3 port on laptop or desktop.
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i have tried on a laptop and a pc with different drivers. it still dont work
Rinonino said:
usbdeview from nirsoft might help you to clean your driver.
When you connect your phone to your computer, is it on fastboot or on recovery ?
You should grab adb and fastboot driver (i'll upload them if needed), go to fastboot and plug your phone.
If you type from command line fastboot devices you should see your devices. If not, driver issue.
If you see it, then flash the official recovery : fastboot flash PathToRecovery\name_of_recovery.img, then sideload latest OB through OP recovery.
I don't know if its the faster option, but its easy as f*ck with that way to come back nearly stock. After that, you could flash twrp and the rom you want.
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ive tried it on fastboot and recovery does not work. Ive checked fastboot devices and adb devices no result. I also did use usbdview nothing pops up.
tnsmani said:
Delete all the installed drivers relating to the phone and then connect the phone. Necessary drivers will be installed. If not solved, try another PC, cable, USB port etc.
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my pc has been recently resetted its on windows 10. theres no new drivers on it i checked on device manager.
By the way i did bypass the checking for updates. If anyone has a problem go to emergency call and type *#812#. Now I have a situation where I cannot hear anything from music apps. Can anyone help me with that? I tried installing viper4android, Dirac was crashing but not anymore, I installed magisk to fix it, i checked for audio_effects for bak file but nothing just the original. Any help?
Evnul000 said:
By the way i did bypass the checking for updates. If anyone has a problem go to emergency call and type *#812#. Now I have a situation where I cannot hear anything from music apps. Can anyone help me with that? I tried installing viper4android, Dirac was crashing but not anymore, I installed magisk to fix it, i checked for audio_effects for bak file but nothing just the original. Any help?
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Get back to stock and don't use mod, or use a stable ROM. Nitrogen 9.0 ROM havn't got issue with sound.

Unable to transfer data to phone via PC

whenever i try to transfer data from my phone to my pc even in file transfer mode it does not get detected. I tried using the offical drivers, using the workaround for MTP, tried a new cable and even tried on my laptop to no avail
elderwolf123 said:
whenever i try to transfer data from my phone to my pc even in file transfer mode it does not get detected. I tried using the offical drivers, using the workaround for MTP, tried a new cable and even tried on my laptop to no avail
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Did you enable usb debugging in developer options?
Tulsadiver said:
Did you enable usb debugging in developer options?
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yes I did
elderwolf123 said:
yes I did
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ADB and all that works but unable to access the files on the device no matter what i try, even the offical USB drivers do not work
elderwolf123 said:
whenever i try to transfer data from my phone to my pc even in file transfer mode it does not get detected. I tried using the offical drivers, using the workaround for MTP, tried a new cable and even tried on my laptop to no avail
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Hi,
What kind of MTP workaround did you try?
Good luck...
5.1 said:
Hi,
What kind of MTP workaround did you try?
Good luck...
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/guide-fix-mtp-driver-windows-10-t3570625
The one you posted
Is the phone on lock screen or did you unlock it?
elderwolf123 said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/guide-fix-mtp-driver-windows-10-t3570625
The one you posted
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Hello,
What happens in "Device manager" when you plug your cable in? Is it listed?
Good luck...
I was having an issue like this with my previous 3XL. It would say Unknown USB device (Device Descriptor Request Failed) . I tried multiple PCs and nothing worked. Ended up using my extended warranty and paying the deductible to get a replacement which is working fine.
henderjr said:
I was having an issue like this with my previous 3XL. It would say Unknown USB device (Device Descriptor Request Failed) . I tried multiple PCs and nothing worked. Ended up using my extended warranty and paying the deductible to get a replacement which is working fine.
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all that is coming up is google nexus ADB interface, it seems like the drivers will not install properly. I cant get it replaced under warrantly as i had to get it second hand due to lack of money. It connects and windows makes the noise to inform its detected the device but no matter how many times i manually install the driver it does not work and windows does not seem to auto download the driver, this is something ive noticed on all machines I have

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